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Speaker 1: It is just after nine point thirty.

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Speaker 2: Now we know unfortunately a terrible night last night on

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Speaker 2: and run incident in Brinkan. Now joining me in the

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Speaker 2: studio right now is the Northern Territory Police Commissioner Michael Murphy.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to your commissioner.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie and lovely new digs too.

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Speaker 2: Oh so nice of fancy and here isn't it beautiful

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Speaker 2: new studio. Thanks so much for joining us this morning. Now, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: starting on a very sad note with this incident this morning,

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Speaker 2: two or three women actually struck by a vehicle.

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Speaker 1: Two of those women dying.

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Speaker 2: It's a terrible situation that's unfolded by the sounds of it.

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Speaker 3: No, it absolutely is. It's tragic for the community. Our

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Speaker 3: lives lost now with fatalities stands at fifty six, incredibly high.

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Speaker 3: We're doing everything we can to do the enforcement and

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Speaker 3: education and working across other government departments to do that too,

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Speaker 3: to make sure we don't see more people die on

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Speaker 3: the roads. Last night we saw the three females struck

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Speaker 3: by a vehicle. They were actually sleeping on the road.

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Speaker 3: And it's the same location where we saw the fatalities

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Speaker 3: previously and brinking. So I think what they do is

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Speaker 3: mistakenly take it for a car park and they're rough sleepers,

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Speaker 3: so they're sleeping on the road instead of a car park,

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Speaker 3: and it looks like a vehicle has run over them.

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Speaker 3: There's a couple of people assisting with inquiries. But if

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Speaker 3: anyone has any information around, you know, anything in that

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Speaker 3: area last night it was just at one am, please

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Speaker 3: bring us on one three one, triple four or one

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Speaker 1: So they're asleep, Yeah, they're.

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Speaker 3: Actually sleep on the road or trying to get some

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Speaker 3: rest on the road and tragically run over. And we

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Speaker 3: and the road fatality is way too high. So it's

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Speaker 3: about you know, really avoiding some of these situations and

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Speaker 3: you know, getting people places safer places to sleep. One

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Speaker 3: also the contribution of the fatal five. You know, don't

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Speaker 3: don't get distracted with your mobile phone. And we see

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Speaker 3: more and more prevalence of that across our younger drivers

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Speaker 2: Commissioner, do we have any idea at this point in

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Speaker 2: time whether that vehicle was stolen or does it appear

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Speaker 2: so it's somebody just out on the road as I

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Speaker 2: understand that police are still now on the search for

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Speaker 3: So where there was some really good police work done

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Speaker 3: quite quickly last night, the use of CCTV and some

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Speaker 3: an eighteen year old, We located a vehicle that was

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Speaker 3: involved in the crash. So that's a secondary crime scene

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Speaker 3: at the moment, but there's still an active investigation by

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Speaker 3: the Major Crash Unit, And just urging anyone who has

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Speaker 3: an information or you may observe a car image that

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Speaker 3: if they've seen anything this unusual. Obviously it's a strange

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Speaker 3: so have anyone seen anything and where? Obviously going through

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Speaker 3: some other CCTV footage and the like, Sarur detective is

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, So that forty year old in the eighteen

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Speaker 2: year old they so, are they in police custody or

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Speaker 2: they are just helping police with inquiries at the moment.

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Speaker 3: We've got a forty year old in male in custody

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Speaker 3: in custody but helping us with inquiries. But there's many

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Speaker 3: lines of inquiries still open for us to examine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, look, we'll keep a very close eye on

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Speaker 1: Commissioner, as I understand it.

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Speaker 2: A little bit earlier in the week, another recruit squad

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Speaker 2: graduation for the Northern Territory Police.

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Speaker 1: How many recruits graduated?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was a swearing in ceremony, So they'll

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Speaker 3: graduate next year. We do have a couple of graduations.

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Speaker 3: Our recruitments streams going extremely well. It's great to see

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Speaker 3: We had thirty officers sworn in yesterday, which is really inspiring.

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Speaker 3: We had four previous officers sworn rejoined the ranks. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I've seen that, yeah, and we're seeing that more often.

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Speaker 1: From where did they die just you know, other.

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Speaker 3: good police force doing incredible work. It's a really exciting

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Speaker 3: time for the Northern Churachi of Police to come and join,

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Speaker 3: to make a difference to keep your community safe. So

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Speaker 1: And Commissioner one of them was actually your son.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty exciting. What a proud and proud.

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Speaker 1: Dad moment, What a proud dad moment yeh.

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Speaker 3: And gave him a big hug. Yeah, yes, so really lovely.

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Speaker 2: I think this is a really nice thing on a

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Speaker 2: and you must be so proud as a dad, but

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Speaker 2: it also sort of says to me that you as

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Speaker 1: That it's a force that you're you know that.

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Speaker 2: You feel comfortable enough for your son to join and

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Speaker 2: it's something that you want your son to be part of.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, this is a really exciting time for the Northern

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Speaker 3: make sure I look after our officers, make sure they're supported.

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Speaker 3: New government, you know, the Chief Minister and the Police

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Speaker 3: Minister's made that really clear if she supports police, that's

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Speaker 3: clear mandate to reduce crime and we're doing that. Really

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Speaker 2: Well. And look some of those new law changes coming

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Speaker 2: into effect obviously really sort of this week and last week.

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Speaker 2: What work has to happen to ensure that officers, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we move pretty fast in the police force

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Speaker 3: to educate our sixteen hundred officers about law changes, and

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Speaker 3: in advance, we've got online training packages, We do emails,

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Speaker 3: you know, we walked the floors as well, like I've

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Speaker 3: been in other springs last week telling Hi about the changes.

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Speaker 3: So we see new laws about ram raids damaged property,

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Speaker 3: like people who are leaving premises and ramming through gates

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Speaker 3: and conduct posting and boasting. We've actually seen two charges

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Speaker 2: So it's appalling and it's quite unbelievable, I think for

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Speaker 2: someone's broken the law. They're then sharing it on social media,

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Speaker 2: and you know, previously it seemed as though they're sharing

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Speaker 2: But we know the police are actually capturing them. We

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, the advent of social media since two thousand

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Speaker 2: And also though, like you just kind of think to yourself,

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Speaker 2: it's like, no, it's actually not. And if you're doing

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Speaker 2: to cop a harsher punishment. Do you think that we're

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, I think that there will always be like

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Speaker 3: also engage in the education system and do those programs.

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Speaker 3: But more importantly some of the kids who aren't going

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Speaker 3: so to actually have purpose, don't make poor choices, don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: You know, education is the key for so many young

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Speaker 2: people in relation to some of the other changes like

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Speaker 2: the ram raid offense, but also.

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Speaker 1: You know, the stronger laws.

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Speaker 2: Really if somebody assaults a police officer, like the level

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Speaker 2: in recent times is quite astronomical. Even yesterday, we caught

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Speaker 2: Water Barnard, and spoke more about the work that tried

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Speaker 1: It's horrible behavior.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that we're actually going to see a

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Speaker 3: I definitely hope. So I think we will say when

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Speaker 3: we're holding people to a higher account, there has to

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Speaker 3: I mean, to go on a seventy five kilometer shoot

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Speaker 3: It's totally unacceptable that our officers are assaulted. You know,

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Speaker 3: It's too common We had an officer punched a female

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Speaker 3: You know, it was it's just, you know, luckily we're

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Speaker 3: He required stitches marked. Yeah, I spake to him last night.

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Speaker 3: So just engage with a group of drinkers. They got

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Speaker 3: so it's really you know, we can't see people assault

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Speaker 2: But well, and it doesn't give you a right to

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter who you are, it doesn't matter how

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Speaker 1: We've got to respect each.

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Speaker 4: Other as humans, especially when you're doing fundamental you know,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: So you mentioned then that you spoke to the officer

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Speaker 3: Is that officer okay, Yeah, he's had stitches to his head,

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Speaker 3: You know, he's probably impacted of course that he's been

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Speaker 1: Any arrests as a result of that incident.

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Speaker 3: Two arrests were made pretty swiftly when other attending police

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Speaker 2: No doubt charges And I guess it'll be interesting to

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: I think that is going to be the case now

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the bail laws will come into effect. I think

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of operational and technical things that

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Speaker 2: And of course the watch house is still being used

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've they've still got the Darwin Watchhouse. You know,

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Speaker 3: that's pressure has been released. Alice Springs has a minimal number,

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Speaker 2: Well, look, we'll keep an eye on things and no

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Speaker 2: doubt as as Decklan's Law does, does you know, sort

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Speaker 2: certainly catch up with you when that happens. Northern Territory

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Speaker 2: Police Commissioner Michael Murphy really appreciate you joining us this

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Speaker 2: morning on the show Pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Thanks very much, you too,