1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. Coming up the period debate 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: have the libra ads gone too far? Taylor Swift drops 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 1: her seventh album, We Decode. It's Hidden Messages and a 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: reboot that Dreams. 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: Are Made Of. 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: Lizzie McGuire is making a comeback, but first it's probably 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: worth mentioning you'll notice soon two very croaky voices. Unfortunately, 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: two thirds of the podcast have been struck down by 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: a virus. Sophie and Kate, how are you guys feeling? 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: Isn't it always the way that on a Friday night 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: a sickness hits you. It's never on a Monday. It 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: is always the way. Fortunately, I feel better. I just 13 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: sound like shit, But it was quite funny. Sofh and 14 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: I went down to Zumbreros and sadly it was the 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: fourth time in the last five days that I've been there. 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: And that's not just because you're sick. That's almost like 17 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: a regular occurrence for you. Yeah, exactly, But so Sofa 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: and I both couldn't really order, so it was so embarrassing. 19 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: I had to like croak at the girl behind the desk. 20 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: Thank god she knew my order. Well, it was pretty embarrassing. 21 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: Now, Kate, was that the blue head girl that served 22 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: you at Zumburro's, Because we have a thing our local Zumburros. 23 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: If you get the blue head girl, she loads up 24 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: your burrito bowl. But they've got a few new people 25 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: that give you just scrapings. 26 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 2: No, I actually had to go to the Henley Beach 27 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 2: Trunk because I was too embarrassed to go to our 28 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: local one because I'd been there three days in a row. 29 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 2: Now we are going to push through this sickness, so 30 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: let's get into our first headline of the week. 31 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: In a bid to fight period stigma, Libra has launched 32 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: a divisive campaign which shows period blood on television for 33 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: the first time in Australia. The Blood Normal campaign replaces 34 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: the usual blue liquid with blood and features typical experience 35 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: as women go through when it's that time of the month. 36 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: Libra said its aim is to normalize periods in the mainstream, 37 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: while critics argue it's not suitable for family viewing. So 38 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: for those who haven't seen the advert, so can you 39 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: talk us through what is actually shown during these ads? 40 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: Well, it is quite a confronting ad. It starts off 41 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: by showing blood in a pad. It then goes on 42 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: to a boyfriend. I assume picking up tampons at the shop, 43 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 2: blood trickling down a girl's leg, and then someone dressed 44 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: up in a costume as a giant pad. So I mean, 45 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: there's kind of a bit of everything in that ad. 46 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: Really, do you know what, if they're trying to show 47 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: a typical experience of a period, they need to have 48 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: a girl at school with blood on the back of 49 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: her dress. 50 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 2: That is every where. Were the blocks of chocolate? Where 51 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 2: were the mood swings, the anger? 52 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, the boyfriend should have come home with the pads 53 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: and should have been punched for chocolate. So Twitter's actually 54 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: gone into meltdown over the blood dripping down the woman's leg, 55 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: particularly because it's been placed in a family friendly time 56 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: during Survivor and The Bachelor. How would you feel watching 57 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: that with mum and dad. I think as a thirteen 58 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: year old or a twelve year old, I feel really embarrassed. 59 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: It'd be kind of like when they have a sex 60 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: scene when you're watching with your parents, like almost that 61 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: type of embarrassment, or even when you're watching with your friends. 62 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: Because I remember growing up, no one spoke about their periods. 63 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: It's funny because I remember Mum would go on the 64 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: phone and she'd tell all of your friends mums that 65 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: you had to period, and you would just be so 66 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: mad about it. And I still remember going on sleepovers 67 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: and having people just pretend that they didn't have it, 68 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: or otherwise canceling their sleepovers because they had their period. 69 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: Now I don't know if this is the intention of 70 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: the Libra ad, but I was gonna say, Kay, you 71 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: have a pretty incredible first period story. I don't know 72 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: if you actually want to share it with the listeners. 73 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: Well, so, mine is probably the worst period first period 74 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: story I've ever heard. So I was eleven years old 75 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: and we were going on our first family overseas trip 76 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: to Penang. So, of course, as it usually goes, I 77 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: was wearing white shorts and I got up to go 78 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: to the bathroom about you know, maybe four or five 79 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: hours into the flight, and I was I got up. 80 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: Mom's like, what's on the back of your pants? And 81 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: I looked and there was some red mark, and I thought, oh, 82 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: it's probably some I've slopped some dessert because we'd had 83 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: like an apple a raspberry pie on the fly. Anyway, 84 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: I walked into the bathroom took my pants down and 85 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: was like, holy shit, there was just all this everywhere, 86 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: and to be honest, I didn't even know what it was. 87 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: How come that's not in the librad that experience. 88 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: Well, I think that you guys. I think you guys 89 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: bring up a very good point. I mean, fans of 90 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: the ad are saying that it's bringing forth that discussion 91 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: of periods so people don't feel ashamed to talk about it. 92 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 2: And you know, they're saying that there is a notable 93 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 2: absence of periods and pop culture from Instagram to movies 94 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: to even obviously advertising these days. So that's what the 95 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: libra ad is trying to change and start this conversation 96 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: about periods. Darling, it's librob Oh sorry, I keep I 97 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: keep getting it as liberal. Why why is that it 98 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: sounds a bit wlanky anyway? On your point, I just 99 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 2: think it comes with age. I now don't care about 100 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: telling that story, but if I was fourteen years old, 101 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 2: I'd be mortified. I just think it comes with maturity. 102 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I told everyone the office that 103 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: I got perhaps mere I just couldn't give a shit anymore. 104 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 2: But I mean, playing Devil's advocate here some people are 105 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 2: saying that showing blood on TV will make women feel 106 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: more pa how to talk about their periods and then 107 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: other reproductive health issues. Do you guys see that there's 108 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: any benefit in this ad? 109 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: I think the whole thing is a publicity stune by Libra. 110 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: I don't think it's really there for women to feel 111 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: empowered at all. If anything, I just feel a bit 112 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: awkward watching it. And yeah it might, it might actually 113 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: start some conversations, but. 114 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: Well, they're all talking about it here now, we're all 115 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: breaking down. 116 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: But I don't think men are going to sit around 117 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: and go, oh, did you see that Libra ad. It's 118 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: a lot of conversations about. 119 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 2: Demonstruction for them anyway, I feel like, who's for them? Well? 120 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: I feel like it's so that that people are feeling 121 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 2: more comfortable to show periods in normal situations. 122 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: But why do we need to feel normal about showing 123 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: periods in situations as in? I just think it's obviously 124 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: something the majority of women go through. It's sort of 125 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: a secret thing. 126 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 2: They're a problem. They're trying to normal as a topic 127 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: that's usually been shrouded by stic But. 128 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: But why does it need to be normalized? 129 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: Can the reason for them wanting to normalize it is 130 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: so that people feel comfortable to talk about other female 131 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: health problems as well as just periods. Can I just interject, 132 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 2: Does anyone think it might also have something to do 133 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: with the fact that companies like Libra that produce these 134 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: sanitary items that don't actually are very environmentally friendly and 135 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 2: our period cups are coming into trend. It might have 136 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 2: something to do with capturing that younger audience that are 137 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: going to be like, oh, yeah, this is fantastic. I 138 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: just think it's very on brand with environmental well, not 139 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: so much environmentalism, but what do people a thing? Yeah? 140 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 2: What young people are now very much all about doing 141 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 2: the right things. We have to remember that Libra is 142 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: a huge brand. They're the only Australian sanitary brand in 143 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: the market, which I didn't realize. So who were co 144 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: Tex owned by? I have no idea Japanese? Yeah, I mean, 145 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: but yeah, we have got to remember at the end 146 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: of the day, they're not just doing this because they're 147 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: they're trying to make difference. They're doing this to make money. 148 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: Can I ask has the little facts on the back 149 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: of the pads changed, like, are they you know more 150 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: more on brand? Now with the fact that they're breaking 151 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: down this How many years does it take to break 152 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,239 Speaker 2: down a plastic bottle? That's probably one of the facts 153 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: personally when I watch that, though, it doesn't actually make 154 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: me want to buy Libra's products because most of the 155 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: time the blood's pouring down people's legs and stuff. But 156 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: that's not a very good paddle tampon. It's bloody leak. 157 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: Going back to the marketing element of this campaign, the 158 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: thing that got me the most was the fact that 159 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: they've released these T shirts which say bloody awesome on them, 160 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: and I just think, who is going to wear that? 161 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: I actually thought it was a joke. I thought someone 162 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: had got a load of sort of people who were 163 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: well known to be feminists and put them in these tops. 164 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: I actually was shocked when you told me that it 165 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: was serious. 166 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: I mean, is that going to be the T shirt 167 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: that you wear to signal to your boyfriend, hey, it's 168 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: the time of the month and wrote my bloody awesome 169 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: top and sorry. But going back to the kind of 170 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: vulgar nature of this ad, there are a lot of 171 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: other products out there that deal with people's you know, 172 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: bodily fluids. But if I see an ad for a 173 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: condom showing what's inside of it? You think the internet 174 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: was going to break with Tom Felton and Emma Watson. 175 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: I think I'd punch my TV. Well, that's what a 176 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: lot of other people were saying as well, not just 177 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: with condoms. They were saying that they don't think it's 178 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: a gendered issue. They think, in particular, you know, bladder 179 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: leakage and fluids aren't really a topic that we're wanting 180 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: to see on TV. Are you really going to show 181 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: someone with depend underwear piercing in their pants? We're going 182 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: to have someone We've got someone pouring a yellow fluid 183 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: in What about bloody laxatives? Do we need to see 184 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 2: the diarrhea as well? 185 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: I have to admit I actually like the concept of 186 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: the ad, that it's sort of trying to talk about 187 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: a normalized periods. But I do think that the whole 188 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: act of showing the blood it does, as I said, 189 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: it has that eck factor to it that I think 190 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: people would actually laugh about. And if you're at school 191 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: and you're a girl, I can see boys sitting around 192 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: laughing about these ads. 193 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: On the whole topic of the ick factor of showing 194 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: the blood I think have the opposite effect, where people 195 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: literally just as soon as they see the ad on 196 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: TV switch off. I think the worry is that there's 197 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: going to be more of a focus on people being 198 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: repulsed by the ad than what the ad is supposedly 199 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 2: trying to push people towards. I just had a thought. 200 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me when the government puts out 201 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: those sickening ads about cigarettes and the harmful use. Why 202 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: are periods on the same scale. It's kind of a 203 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: shock value. We try to shock people to go and 204 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: get medical attention, but then are they trying to shock 205 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 2: people gone by? Where has it ever said? Like, I've 206 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: never thought, jeez, I wish everyone knew how hard it 207 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 2: was to have your period. Why can't they put it 208 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: on a bloody ad? Well, it's interesting you say that 209 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 2: because Libra released some stats to go ahead with their campaign, 210 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: and one of them was that eight in ten Australian 211 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 2: women go to great lengths to hide their period. So 212 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 2: it's interesting that so many people want to hide it. 213 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: Yet they're putting a spotlight on periods. 214 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: But why is it necessarily wrong to want to hide 215 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: you period? 216 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: You're not? 217 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think we're ever going to be 218 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: at a stage where you're walking to work and say, oh, 219 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: I've got my period. 220 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: Everyone. 221 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: It's just it's just not relevant. 222 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: I mean, men hide their stiffies, so it's like, it's 223 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: not like men. There's an ad about men having an 224 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 2: erection and being like, look, everyone, it's okay, this is natural. 225 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 2: I suppose an erection is not different. 226 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: It's not a right to walk work into work with 227 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: an erection, but it's all right to work walk into 228 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: work with a period. 229 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: No, but at high school boys can't help having an erection. 230 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: Is there an ad to make them feel better about it? 231 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: I swear that's not. I suppose it's different because that's 232 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: kind of a sexual thing. 233 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 2: They also revealed that periods are currently thought of as 234 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 2: more of a taboo than talking about drugs, sexually transmitted diseases, 235 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: and mental health issues. Now does that bullshit? Don'tone else shit? 236 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: I think I'd rather talk about my period than its 237 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: sexually transmitted disease. 238 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: Sorry. I don't know if it's just because of page 239 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: as I follow on Facebook, but I see so many 240 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: girls going on about their periods and their mental health 241 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 2: at the moment. That's like a hot topic. Well, the 242 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 2: other stat was that young seventy percent of young girls 243 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 2: would rather fail a class at school than have their 244 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: peers know they had their period. Not one I could 245 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 2: believe more in what context though. I mean, yes, I'd 246 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: rather fail a class if I got up from school 247 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 2: and had a big blood patch on my dress in 248 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: front of everyone. But if it's people just knew I 249 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: had it, I don't know. One thing I do like 250 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: about this campaign is Libra have teamed up with Pedestrian 251 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: to launch a revival of Dolly Doctor for three months, 252 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: So they're going to be telling kids to, you know, 253 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: put in messages that they are too embarrassed to ask. 254 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: Can I just interject? How are kids these days embarrassed 255 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 2: to ask questions? They have Google, that's a good point. 256 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: They also have YouTube, and anyone who's popular on YouTube 257 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: has a video talking about their period. 258 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: The other thing as well is that Libra have also 259 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: teamed up with Neighbors, so Neighbors will be having an 260 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: episode about I assume one of the teenagers experiencing their 261 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: first period. But I think from our childhood we actually 262 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: beat that moment with de Grassy High Junior High. Junior High. 263 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: That was the most one of the most pivotal moments on. 264 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: Televis For those who didn't see it, it was basically 265 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: the character Emma. She of course chose to wear a 266 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: beautiful white crisp skirt on the day she got her 267 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: first period and she gets up and she's got a 268 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: big blood mark on the back of her skirt. As 269 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: I said, that should have. 270 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 2: Been in the ad. Where was that there was? There 271 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: was a shot of one of the girls lying in 272 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 2: bed and she's got blood on her. Oh gosh, can 273 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: I can I just interject? How bloody weird is it 274 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: that Drake was into Grassy? Oh? That blows my mind. 275 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: I didn't even know. Like, when I saw Drake performing, 276 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 2: I was like, isn't that kid that was into Grassy? 277 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: And moving on to our top headlines of the week, 278 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 2: this is the one I have been most excited about. 279 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 2: Hilary Duff is returning for Lizzie maguire reboot on Disney 280 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 2: and that's from Harper's Bizarre Now. I I heard about 281 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 2: it because Kate tagged me in Hillary Duff's Instagram saying, 282 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 2: this is what dreams are made of. Oh, so I 283 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: woke up. I can't remember I think it was a 284 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 2: Saturday morning and I saw it and I was like, 285 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: Oh my god, is this a joke. I was because 286 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: I didn't want to get too excited about it because Sophie, 287 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 2: Amy and I absolutely loved Hillary Duff. We're probably too love. Sorry, 288 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: I don't know why I put it in past tense 289 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: love Hillary Duff. It's got my head, the Hillary Doff. 290 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: So we love love love. Oh. I mean, I think 291 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: we were probably too old for Lizzie maguire, but we 292 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 2: loved her so much we pushed through. I actually remember 293 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 2: Amy used to listen to Metamorphosis every night. It was 294 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 2: so funny. I made my whole This is embarrassing to say, 295 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,359 Speaker 2: but I made my whole years of artwork a homage. 296 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 2: Is that the word too, Hillary Duff. It's not sad, 297 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: but being listening to Metamorphouses is sad. To add on 298 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 2: the back of that sad story, I still remember watching 299 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: the Lizzie McGuire movie and actually crying because she was 300 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: so pretty. I was so jealous. But I think it's 301 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 2: exciting because the reboot is going to see Hillary Sorry, 302 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 2: Lizzie in New York City living the life she's always 303 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 2: dreamed of and she's I was just laughing because Sovie said, Hilary, 304 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 2: I mean Lizzy, And do you know what I love? 305 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: The first episode is going to start with her celebrating 306 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: her thirtieth birthday, and as someone who's recently turned thirty, 307 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: that excites me that I'm the same age as Lizzie McGuire. 308 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: I saw Hillary Duff interviewed about the show, and I 309 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: don't know, did you say that, Sophie, because she gave 310 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: away a few secrets. She said that the show, as 311 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: you said, will start on her thirtieth birthday. 312 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: And she's got a boyfriend who's a chef, and she 313 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: said that her life is going really, really well. She's 314 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: an apprentice to a fancy New York decorator, but that 315 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like. 316 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: The best job. 317 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think it must be. It sounds like 318 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: her life implodes. But I just hope Gordo is not 319 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: in it. 320 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 2: I actually think that Gordo will be in it. I 321 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: think that her chef fiance will cheat on her and 322 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: somehow should we pushed back to Gordo and we'll see 323 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: all her friends. Amy. Actually, Amy and I were talking 324 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: about it. Does anyone else think that Ethan Craft will 325 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: be in it, and if not, do you think you'll 326 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: be hot? Because I think it's going to be the 327 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: case of Sabrina the Teenage Witch when Harvey, Oh my gosh, 328 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: people need to google that. Oh wait, are you talking 329 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: about the actual actor being in it or so the actor? 330 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: Have you seen what he looks like now, Ethan Craft? No, Harvey. 331 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: Bolden, Yeah, well, actually we were discussing that very point, 332 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: Kay and I and I did see a photo popped 333 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: up on my Facebook feed of Ethan Craft and he 334 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: actually still does look quite good looking. 335 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: I think we've all given enough of our love for 336 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: Hillary duff in this. 337 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: And for Ethan Craft, and now moving on to the 338 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: next headline, Bachelor Matt dumpt the coup and Rachel's secret 339 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: relationship exposed that one's from a new idea? 340 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 2: Can I just even before we discuss this cool bollshit 341 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: on it. I have never seen such a publicity grab 342 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: in a long time. It is very reminiscent of when 343 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: Megan and Tiffany came out that they were together on 344 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: the show. But I actually think there was a genuine 345 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: relationship between these two. I suppose time will tell if 346 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 2: Vaku and Rachel's relationship is real or not, but at 347 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: the moment it seems very attention seeking to be making 348 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 2: out at a table. And isn't Rachel still on The Bachelor? Yes, 349 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: she is, but she gets caught out trying to get 350 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 2: the number off a crew member today. But can I 351 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: add it's quite interesting. I bet you those two will 352 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: both be in Paradise and it seems to be an 353 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: on running theme. They had Brooke and Alex Nation trying 354 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 2: to you know, all the viewers, but also on the 355 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: American series. I don't know if anyone remembers Demi from 356 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: Colton series, but she's actually come out on Bachelor in 357 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: Paradise to say that she's by Oh really, I actually 358 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: can't remember who that is, but that's that is interesting, 359 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: that over the top one that was that blonde hair 360 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: and her mum's in jail. Oh her, Yeah, Well, going 361 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: back to the fact that Rachel still is on the program. 362 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: This week, they've been teasing on The Bachelor that Rachel 363 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: says to the camera that she has a plan B 364 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 2: if things don't work out with Matt, and it's alluded 365 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 2: to the fact that she gets with a work person. 366 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 2: She's been flirting with a producer. Yeah, but now everyone's 367 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: saying it's probably this scandal with the coup. 368 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 1: So I don't know about that. I think that there 369 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: must have been some scandal. She must have been told 370 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: by a producer, Oh, you know, you know you're obviously 371 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: not going to win. Let's just get you a bit 372 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: more publicity. You'll be able to go to Bachelor in 373 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: Paradise if you go along with this. She's probably gone 374 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: along with this, and now she's going along with another 375 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: attention seeking grab to extend her fifteen minutes of fame. Well, 376 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: according to the source to New Idea, they said that 377 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: a Forku and Rachel did form a really strong friendship 378 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: in the mansion, and that they ended up hooking up 379 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: one night after the first cocktail party, but it was 380 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: never filmed and the producer's never found out. 381 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know how that is possible, but the 382 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 2: girls said that they'd always see them together going for 383 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 2: walks and started to question if they were more than friends, 384 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 2: but they never confirmed it to them. 385 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: Well, you know what, if they are a real couple. 386 00:17:58,880 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 2: Then good luck to them. 387 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: But to me, it just seems a little bit too 388 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: convenient that they're out at the front in a cafe 389 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: having a kiss, and that there's just a random paparazzi 390 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: following these sort of nobody's getting this kiss on camera. 391 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: That's what I just think is a little bit sus 392 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: about the whole thing. Moving on to the next headline, 393 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: and it's the internal sunshine of Harry's Styles, and that's 394 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: from Rolling Stone magazine. A lot of people were saying 395 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: in their news speeds that this was their twenty twelve cells. 396 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: Were living for this moment because Harry is talking about 397 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: the return of his returning with his second album. Did 398 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: you see this one, Kate? Yeah, I did see it 399 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: floating around in my news speed. I can't say I 400 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: was that excited. 401 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: I was a Hurry Styles fan back, probably when I 402 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 2: was again too old. I do remember going to his 403 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 2: concert and him pointing at our sign and getting very 404 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: excited about it. But I will be interested. I didn't 405 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 2: like his first album. Yeah, I enjoyed Blundie a lot 406 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 2: better than them. But there were quite a few bombshells 407 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 2: to come from this Rolling Stone story. One of them 408 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: was that he was on mushrooms during the recording of 409 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 2: his first album. I'm not surprised after listening to some 410 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 2: of it, and he said that he actually bit the 411 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: top of his tongue off while he was on Mushrooms 412 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: recording in the studio and he had to sing through 413 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 2: blood pouring out of his mouth. It's a lovely sign 414 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 2: to imagine, a bit like the Libra ad. He also 415 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: kind of inferred that there's not really going to be 416 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: a one D reunion, which upset a lot of fans. 417 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: I'm not shocked though, how long have they been in 418 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: hiatus for. They've all got kids now. 419 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: Maybe they can't get away from the kids to have 420 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: the reunion. 421 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: Or maybe they will because they want to get away 422 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: from the cave. Did you realize that Liam's son is 423 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 2: called bear Pain? Yeah, that's not great. Did anyone think 424 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 2: of this or if he's taken his mother's last name 425 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: bear Crow, Yeah, it's not a great name. I don't 426 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: really know what to expect from this album as well, 427 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: because he's said that the album is all about having 428 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: sex and feeling sad, so it'd be an interesting one 429 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: to just a range of emotions on the album. 430 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: So the last headline is from The Daily Mail. It's 431 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: entitled Tammy Whobro and basically it's about Australian influencer Tammy Hembro. 432 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: She was at obviously, she was at the MTV Music 433 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: Awards today. It was quite embarrassing because just before she 434 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: stepped on the red carpet, they had to send somebody 435 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: out to hold up a sign to say Tammy Hembro 436 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: Australia to let the photographers know who she actually is. 437 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 2: They should have just had the sign that says hanger 438 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: honor of the Kardashians, or her ass just a peach emoji. 439 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: I don't follow her, so I don't really know that 440 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: much about her, but Kate and I've been watching her 441 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: ex partners YouTube videos, and my goodness, they're interesting. I've 442 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: never heard the F words said so many times. 443 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 2: Moving on in Taylor Swift, fans have had a busy 444 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 2: couple of days dissecting her much anticipated album Lover Not 445 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: Want to Shy away from controversy. Swift's seventh album doesn't 446 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 2: disappoint with a string of hits and hidden messages. What 447 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: did you think about it? Kate? I was pleasantly surprised. 448 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: I don't think the three singles she released were reflective 449 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 2: of the full album, and I love it. I actually 450 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 2: have just been listening to it and repeat for the 451 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 2: last couple of days. She does seem to have a 452 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 2: habit of releasing songs that aren't necessarily indicative of the 453 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: greater vibe of the albums with you know, with Reputation, 454 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 2: Look What You Made Me Do? I didn't feel was 455 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: very indicative of that album. It was very oh are 456 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 2: you saying you think it is? I think it was 457 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: completely indicative of the album. It was a very vengeful 458 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 2: album that lost her a lot of credibility. It was vengeful, 459 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 2: but then you think about get Away, Car and Gorgeous, 460 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: and those were all very uplifting songs. 461 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: I think it was reflective of the tone of the 462 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: album in terms of what you were saying, Kate about 463 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: the revenge aspect, but I think it was a different 464 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: sound as you were saying to songs. 465 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 2: Like get Away. 466 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: I love the Reputation album. I loved what it stood for. 467 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people didn't, and a lot 468 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: of people. 469 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 2: Did of course as well. 470 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: But I got so excited hearing, especially Taylor swifts new 471 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: song The Man. I thought that was amazing. 472 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: Before we go into dissecting each of the songs, I 473 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 2: found an interesting theme that emerged that I don't know 474 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 2: anyone else picked up on. There were a lot of 475 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 2: holy lyrics, so religion was referred to three times, worship 476 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: ten times, Jesus once, Altera two times, Devil three times, 477 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: and a lot of those references were actually in the 478 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: song false God. I did notice that in soon You'll 479 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 2: Get Better there was that reference to finding God after 480 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: such a hideous experience, and I find that really touching 481 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: something else that you might not have picked up is. 482 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 2: Despite the colorful rainbow promotion, Lover is actually very blue. 483 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 2: So Taylor uses the word blue a total of twenty 484 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: eight times in all of her albums, and eleven times 485 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 2: on Lover alone, which is quite funny considering she had 486 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 2: an album called Red that blue trumps the reference. 487 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: What are other thoughts about the use of the color then, 488 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: because I know there was a lot of talk about 489 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: her album potentially being called Kaleidoscope. 490 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 2: She said that in an interview on YouTube Libe that 491 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 2: she was originally going to cool the album Daylight, which 492 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 2: is one of the last songs on the album, but 493 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 2: then when she wrote Lover, she immediately thought that that 494 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 2: actually brought all the songs together. So maybe that whole 495 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: rainbow dreamy sort of Daylight theme had already been decided, 496 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 2: although did describe her album as pretty much a love letter, 497 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: which I thought was a really good way of describing it. 498 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 2: And it is interesting because now that she does have 499 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 2: this stable relationship, it's nice to see that the songs 500 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 2: are focusing on things that she loves, not just things 501 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 2: that she hates. And that actually came up in the 502 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: Daylight song, where the line is I want to be 503 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 2: defined by the things that I love, not the things 504 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 2: I hate, not the things I'm afraid of, the things 505 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 2: that haunt me in the middle of the night, And 506 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: that was obviously very much in reference to reputation, which 507 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: was about her hatred towards other people, which obviously did. 508 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift songs are always about hatred because I think 509 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: that the world's not always you know, fairy tales and stuff. 510 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: And that's what I really like about Taylor's album that 511 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: she does have some of her love songs, but then 512 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: she also does have songs if you're feeling angry about 513 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: something that you can listen to as well. 514 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 2: I'm not saying her songs all about hatred. I'm just 515 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: saying that you know you've seen this evolution from the 516 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: snake into the butterfly, so obviously she's reflecting on the 517 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: negative negativity she got from reputation. It's funny because that 518 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 2: you mentioned butterfly, because obviously butterflies were a real theme 519 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: during the marketing of this, but butterflies not mentioned once. 520 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: That is interesting, So talking. 521 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: About talking about butterflies and back to sort of metamorphosis 522 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: and Hillary Duff so for you were telling me earlier today, 523 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: some pretty interesting things fans have picked up online in 524 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: relation to Taylor's album and Hillary duff sold album. 525 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: It's crazy that Taylor Swooped and Hillary Duff have been 526 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 2: compared in this way because they're my two favorite singer 527 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 2: is But a lot of Hillary Duff fans are saying 528 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 2: that Taylor stole lyrics from Hillary's album song Breathe In, 529 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 2: Breathe Out. And I don't know if you guys remember it, 530 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: it was a great song. But basically they're saying that 531 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 2: in Getaway Car uses the lyric x marts of spot 532 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 2: where We Fell Apart, and that's also a lyric in 533 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 2: Breathing Breathe Out. Now they're saying in Lover that the 534 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 2: song paper Ring sounds so much like Breathing Breathe Out. 535 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 2: I don't think Hillary is upset with Taylor though, because 536 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: I just saw on Instagram story before that Hillary screenshot 537 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 2: listening to the man. Also, just to add something, just 538 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 2: to add some validity to the fans statements, Taylor was 539 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 2: asked what was her favorite song on Hillary's album, and 540 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: it was Breathing Breathe Out. So she has listened to it. 541 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: Oh, she probably subconsciously picked up a line in it. 542 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 2: So moving on to decoding the songs, the first song, 543 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 2: which I love and I know you guys love it too, 544 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 2: is I Forgot that you existed. There's a divide on 545 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 2: the internet who this song actually is about. Some people 546 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 2: think it's a swiper Calvin Harris, and then others think 547 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 2: it's a swiper Kim and Kanye. So with Calvin Harris, 548 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 2: camp think that the line I forgot that you sent 549 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 2: me a clear message taught me some hard lessons. People 550 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 2: are thinking perhaps that's about him calling her out for 551 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: leaking intel that she wrote the song this is what 552 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: you came for under a pseudonym. That's interesting. I just 553 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 2: assumed it was about Kim mc Kanye when I heard it. 554 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: Well, I forgot Calvin Harris existed, so maybe it is 555 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: about him. The next track on the album is the Man, 556 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: which is I Know is my favorite song and I 557 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: think Kateen's so favorite song as well. So Taylor calls 558 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: out the disparities between men and women, specifically in how 559 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: the public perceived their success and power, and it's one 560 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: of the most upfront ways Taylor has expressed her feminism 561 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: to the public. 562 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: So my favorite line in this song is when everyone 563 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 2: believes what's that like? And some people have said that 564 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: this line is actually in relation to when Taylor Swift 565 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 2: was sexually assaulted by a DJ back in twenty thirteen. 566 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 2: So she was at a meet and greet and this 567 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 2: fucking dickhead decided to touch her ass. And what I 568 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 2: love even more about Taylor, if that's possible, is that 569 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 2: in the court case when they are her to describe 570 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 2: what he did, everyone kept saying, oh, you know, did 571 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: he touch your backside? And she said he grabbed my ass. 572 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 2: I just love that, like, I just love that she 573 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: was no bullshit about it. And the next song that 574 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: is probably my one of my favorites as well, is 575 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 2: Cruel Summer. Oh it's the best. It is the best 576 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 2: on the album, I have to say, And initially before 577 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 2: the song was actually released, she released all the track 578 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 2: lists and people were hypothesizing that this title might be 579 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 2: a nod to Kanye's Cruel Summer compilation from twenty twelve. 580 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 2: I got told by my boyfriend that it is a 581 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 2: song that's in Karate Kid. Oh. He played me the 582 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 2: song today. I was like, yeah, it shit. 583 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: Who cares if it has the same name. It's an 584 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: absolute banger. I reckon it's going to be her next 585 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: single for sure. 586 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 2: The next song on the album is love It, and 587 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 2: that was released earlier this week as a single and 588 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 2: it's gone nuts. I think people are saying this is 589 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 2: going to be the next big wedding song. Another thing 590 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 2: I really liked was her film clip and her adding 591 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 2: a bit more diversity, and so she had a one 592 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 2: of her backup says Who's African American in the film 593 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 2: clip and he also played in the song King of 594 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 2: My Heart. He is the lead during the concert, so 595 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 2: that was really cool to see him carried through those 596 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: different songs. The next song is paper Rings, which I 597 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 2: really like, and it's about Taylor's boyfriend Joe, and in 598 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 2: this song, she shares a lot of intimate details about 599 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 2: how their relationship progress, which a lot of people love 600 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 2: because they've basically been in hiding for the last three 601 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 2: years as of this song that people were saying eluding 602 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 2: thinking that Taylor Swift's had a secret wedding because of 603 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: this song. Yeah, so she says, I like shiny things, 604 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 2: but I'd marry you with paper rings. So that sparked 605 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: a lot of engagement and wedding rumors. So the next 606 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 2: song is your favorite Cornelia Street, Kay, and I love 607 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: this so much. So it talks about how Taylor Swift 608 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 2: once rented a twenty four million dollar home on Cornelia 609 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 2: Street in the West Village in New York City, and 610 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 2: around the time she lived there was when she met 611 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 2: her new boyfriend Joe. So it's a very cute track. 612 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: I read an article recently that Taylor Swift has to 613 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: be ultra careful of mentioning names of where she lives. Obviously, 614 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: she's not going to move back to Cornelia Street. Now 615 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: it's the name of a song, but she has had 616 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: so many stalkers that have tried to kill her. There 617 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: was at least three stalkers who've been arrested and She 618 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: revealed this week that she carries bandages for stab wounds 619 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: and bullet wounds around with her because she has such 620 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: a fear that someone's going to do something. 621 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 2: So how scary is that? It's kind of scary because 622 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: the next song, we're talking about his death by a 623 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 2: thousand cuts. So this song confused me because it's a 624 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: really devastating song about a breakup. So it makes me 625 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 2: think that there was a period where Taylor and Joe 626 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 2: did break up. Obviously they've come back together. I don't know, 627 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 2: do you know what it actually is? 628 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: I just read the song isn't actually related to her 629 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: personal life? She said, it's about a television show she 630 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: watched on Netflix. 631 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 2: I can't remember that. 632 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: I actually can't remember the show, and. 633 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 2: My computer's just died. 634 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was a show on Netflix, and she's 635 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: apparently she was so invested in she started having these 636 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: dreams about it and these songs, sorry, these lyrics just 637 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: kept getting into her head. So it's not actually about herself. 638 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 2: I suppose that does make a bit of sense, considering 639 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: their relationship seems to be pretty strong. So the Netflix 640 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: show was actually called Someone Gray. I just did some 641 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 2: googling and I remember hearing her talk about this TV 642 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 2: show on a during an interview, so she must have 643 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: really touched her. After Glows her fifteenth track on this album, 644 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 2: and it's the second time in the last ten years 645 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 2: that she's actually apologized in a song for the way 646 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 2: she's treated someone. The first time was with a track 647 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 2: called Back to December, which was about Taylor Lautner, and 648 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 2: after Glow has similar echoes as she admits that she's 649 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 2: at fault for a relationship falling apart. She says, whir 650 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 2: I have to break what I love so much? I'm 651 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: the one who burnt us down. Meet me in the 652 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 2: after Glow. I actually really like this one. It's grown 653 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 2: on me a lot. 654 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: The last song on the album is Daylight, and I 655 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: think the most interesting point about this song is the 656 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: fact that she calls out her song read. On the track, 657 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: she says, I once believe love would be burning red, 658 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: but it's golden Daylight. And as you mentioned, this was 659 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: going to be the name of the album, but she 660 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: of course went with lover. 661 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 2: Oh. I love that line. I don't think I've picked 662 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 2: up on that one. Yeah, Yeah, it's a good one 663 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: and just a bit of a fun fact for our 664 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 2: listeners is that we were lucky enough to meet Taylor 665 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: Swift a couple of years ago. 666 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: Happened to be at her nineteen eighty nine concent with 667 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: our best friend Owen. It's quite funny because Kate and 668 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: I researched how to meet her, and basically every concert 669 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: she has, she has an after party. And we read 670 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: that Taylor loves Christmas, of course, and she loves Christmas lights, 671 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: so we decided to drape ourselves in these white Christmas lights. 672 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 2: It was so funny because the night before I didn't 673 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 2: really get involved with much of the sign making because 674 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 2: I had to work early the next day. And I 675 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 2: could hear Kate she made this sign that said style. 676 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 2: Kate Amid made it and they attached lights to it, 677 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,959 Speaker 2: and I could hear Kate saying, Oh, this time tomorrow 678 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: night will be meeting her for sure. And I called 679 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 2: down and I said, Kate, let's just not get our 680 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 2: hopes up too much. But you were confident and you 681 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 2: knew it was gonna happen. I'm gonna put it out there. 682 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 2: I have a sick habit of always being right about things, 683 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: and I just had a feeling, I mean, watching too much. 684 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 2: Kathink him in my bones that we would meet her. 685 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 2: It was so funny though. It got to like the 686 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 2: third song, third to last song, and Kate turned around. 687 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 2: She's like, when are they gonna ask us to go 688 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 2: to the loft? And it did happen. I felt a 689 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 2: little tough on my shoulder, like I read on all 690 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 2: the sad Taylor Swift fan forums. And I turned around 691 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: and as a detailed on the forums, the lady said, 692 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 2: have you ever met Taylor Swift before? And I was 693 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: like no, And then they're like, who are you with? 694 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 2: And I pointed out Amy So and Owen and yeah. 695 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: The rest is history. Once the concert had finished, we 696 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 2: quickly chucked all the lights off ourselves and dumped the 697 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: sign because I like, geez, we don't want to look 698 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 2: like weirdos. 699 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: I think the funniest thing was we were the I 700 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: think we were twenty seven at the time, and we 701 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: were the. 702 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: Oldest people there. 703 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: There were all these girls dressed up as like diet 704 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: coke bottles, and they were all crying in the little 705 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: area where you got to just before you got to 706 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: meet Taylor. 707 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 2: I remember we. 708 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: Were just all like, it's all right, dear, like it's 709 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: all right, you'll be fired. 710 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 2: It was such a cool atmosphere too, because they had 711 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 2: pizzas and like desserts and it was cookies and oh 712 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: it was it was incredible and they had these big backdrops. 713 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 2: So we all had to line up and then you 714 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 2: got I think a couple of minutes with Taylor and 715 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 2: we were all Amy and I were journalists at the time, 716 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 2: and Kate was working in Thunderbirds, and we just said 717 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 2: to ourselves, don't say anything about being. 718 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: Yelling at me, because they told you that you're not 719 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: allowed to film. You can take as many photos as 720 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: you want. And I used to work it today tonight, 721 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: so I'm used to sort of just filming everything, and 722 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: I had to really restrain myself from doing it. 723 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 2: But there was Yeah, it was pretty funny because she 724 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: asked us. I mean, I feel sorry for our friend Owen. 725 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 2: Owen always gets it that they always asked us about 726 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: being triplets in front of it in front of her anyway, 727 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 2: So she asked us about being triplets, and she asked 728 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 2: she said, she's really into crime novels and asked if 729 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 2: we had the same fingerprint. And I can't remember it 730 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 2: was that one of us was like, oh, no, you 731 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 2: triplets don't have the same fingerprint. She's like, yes, they do, 732 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 2: and we were just kind of like, do we argue 733 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: with Taylor Swift? I actually pulled out the fact because 734 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 2: we all used to work at a pub and you 735 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 2: had to use your fingerprint on the screen to log in, 736 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 2: So I said, oh, actually, no, you know, use that 737 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 2: as an example, and then she goes, hm, that must 738 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 2: just be twins. So poor Taylor. I think that was 739 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 2: a really bad example of how intelligent she is, because 740 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 2: I think she is amazing. She was so lovely, like 741 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 2: she was just you felt like she was your friend. 742 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 2: It was, well, maybe we'll have to put the photo up. 743 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 2: We'll put up on. 744 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: Actually, my favorite moment was when we're all standing there 745 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: and she said, oh, so, how do you guys all 746 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: know each other? And all of her stuff looked at 747 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: her like, Taylor, they're triplets. She's like, oh, my god, 748 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: of course you are. So anyway, we did kind of 749 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: get the move along when I started asking her more 750 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: questions because I kind of took advantage of the time 751 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: we were given because no one else was saying anything. 752 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: And then the funniest thing was the next day I was. 753 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: I was working as a reporter at the time, and 754 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: I happened to send the photo as an email to 755 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: one of the producers there. Unbeknownst to me, she sent 756 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: it to every newsroom in the country, and next minute 757 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: my assistant I was. 758 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 2: Sitting at home, I had a day off. I flicked 759 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 2: the TV on and there's an update on the news 760 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 2: the Adelaide Triplets who meet Taylor Swift, and then our 761 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 2: photo was with our friend cut out was put on 762 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 2: the fucking TV. 763 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: I felt it was so weird anyway, So subsequently we 764 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: did Across the Sunrise and we also did a cross 765 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 1: into the news with all three of us, which was 766 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: pretty funny, but we felt like the biggest sellouts because 767 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: we didn't you know, obviously we're talking about it now, 768 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: but we're like, I don't want. 769 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 2: Taylor to see this. The worst part about this live 770 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: cross is we rock up at like six am and 771 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 2: the guy goes that was doing the production goes, I'm sorry, 772 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 2: We've only got two earpieces and two microphones because we 773 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 2: were talking back to Cozzy and Sarah. Sorry Coshy Goozzy 774 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 2: with Cozy Oh whatever, same thing. No, what's that? Martha 775 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 2: of Maths calling Kochy. I do know who Coshi is. 776 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 2: And anyway, so Amy and Saviey took the microphones in 777 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 2: the earpieces and I look like a fucking idiot because 778 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 2: I can't hear anything that they're saying or contribute to 779 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 2: the conversation. So I'm just nodding. And then I went 780 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 2: back to work and everyone fucking cat. Let's let us 781 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 2: know if anyone would like to see this on our Instagram. 782 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 2: Is a really funny video of it. Anyway, I think 783 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 2: we could talk about meeting Taylor Swift or night. So 784 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 2: thank you for those who have actually stuck around listening 785 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 2: to all of this Taylor Swift Lizzie Maguire podcast. Yeah, 786 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 2: thanks to everyone who has made it through this episode. 787 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 2: And if you have enjoyed today's episode, we would really 788 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 2: appreciate if you could leave us a five star rating. 789 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 2: We'd love it if you could share it to your 790 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 2: friends on your Instagram. Take a photo. We'd love to 791 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 2: see where you're listening from. Join us on our Instagram page. 792 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 2: It's Outspoken Underscore, the Underscore Podcast. Join us on our 793 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 2: Facebook page as well. 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