1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Get a. I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows, 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello, Gangles, 7 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: A little Hello from Los Angeles. We have a tiny 8 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: gap in the schedule and I still wanted you to 9 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: have a rip a long form interview today, so we're 10 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: bringing out Trent Dolton's episode. It was recorded about a 11 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: year and a half ago. He is one of my 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: favorite humans, probably one of my favorite guests. He'd be 13 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: definitely the best of the best of the best guests 14 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: that we've ever had on this part. I feel cheeky 15 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: saying that, but I'll be real, there's a few people 16 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: in that group of people. But my point is he's 17 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: just one of those incredible humans that has a special 18 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: sparkle and fire in his heart. It's a really raw, vulnerable, honest, open, 19 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: quite emotional at times chat. I hope you love this 20 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: chitty chat with Trent. It is a two part us. 21 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: You get part one now. I hope you love it. 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: If you haven't read Boycewallow's Universe, Loller in the Mirror, 23 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: Love Stories, go out and read them. Obviously, Boycewallows Universe 24 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: was an epic hit on Netflix as well, So go 25 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: and watch it. Wonderful Australian cast. But yeah, go ahead 26 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: and see and listen and soak up all the magic 27 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: that is Trent Dalton Holy mackerel on the Pod today. 28 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: Trent Dalton, Australian author. I guess you call him a 29 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: novelist actually long form journo and can I say absolutely 30 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: wonderful human being. If you have read Voice, Fellows, Universe, 31 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: Love Stories, all our shimmering Skies, then you're going to 32 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: know about Trent Dalton. His newest book, Lola in the 33 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: Mirror is officially out now and available all over Australia 34 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: wherever you buy your books from. Do yourself a favor 35 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: and get it. I Binge read it in a day 36 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: and a half. I could not put down. Bossconn't even 37 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: talk to me. I was like, nah, I'm committed. This 38 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: is the best, this is the best thing ever. It's 39 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: my favorite book I've read in such a long time, 40 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: And can I say I have been wanting to get 41 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: Trent as you're here in this chat on the pod 42 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: for quite sometime, and to finally be doing it and 43 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: getting to do it in the flesh in real life 44 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: was such an honor. Trent, you are absolutely incredible and 45 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: I feel so so lucky to have spent this hour 46 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: and a half with you. To the listener, this is 47 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: a really honest, raw vulnerable chat. I get a little 48 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: bit tearing in it at one point, and I just 49 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: want to say thank you to Trent for just showing 50 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: up with a really really open heart. You inspired me 51 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: more than you'll know. Trent Dalton, mate honored to have 52 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: you on this pod. 53 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: Oh Lola, this has made my week. It might have 54 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 2: been made my year. Thanks for taking the. 55 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: Time you've made mine friend. So you're a journal, long 56 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: form journal and an incredible novelist. I found out about 57 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: you about we were just talking about my friend who's 58 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: in Beautiful Boyellas Universe, and I found out about it 59 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: big about you because he's like, I'm going to beat 60 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: Voice Lawers Universe and I was like, what, talk to 61 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: me what and he's like, here's the book. Read it 62 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: and so like that's how I learned about you, and 63 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: I could not put the book down. So first of all, 64 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: thank you for entering my world via Voiceflowers Universe. 65 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 2: Oh well, and thank you to your friend, because I 66 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: know who you're talking about, and I love that man 67 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: for and being just one of Australia's finest actors and 68 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: contributing to that world. Like for him to step into 69 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: that universe is completely surreal to me, and it's just 70 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: yet again another one of the benefits of you, of 71 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: one human being trying something, you know what I mean, 72 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 2: You don't ever expect that that actor that you're. 73 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: Talking about, we can say his name. He's been on 74 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: the pod Lapalia like one of them, so he. 75 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: Can, I say, the baddie totally Titus Bros. I mean, 76 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: he's the big baddie And the coolest thing about that. 77 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: I remember interviewing Anthony in my journal years and I 78 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: remember him distinctly. I interviewed him for Lantana and you know, brilliant, 79 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 2: you know, possibly one of the greatest Australian films ever 80 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: made and maybe one of Anthony's finest hours. And he 81 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: was so kind and so down to worth and so 82 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: generous and so you always just clock that stuff and 83 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: you remember it in the back of your mind and 84 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 2: you go. So when they tell me, I guess he's 85 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 2: playing Titus Anthony, and yeah, it's it's wild, you know, 86 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 2: and it's so it's so beautiful to hear and it's 87 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: so wonderful to hear from you what a fine man 88 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: he is, you know what I mean. It's like that. 89 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 2: It just doesn't it help you enhance your love of 90 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 2: these people when you do. 91 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,679 Speaker 1: Also, it was so much fun while I was reading 92 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: the book to watch his transformation. Yeah, the peroxide hair, right, ah, just. 93 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: The sheer whiteness of the guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And 94 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: it's like, I know, and I. 95 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: Think that took a few visits to the salon. Yeah, 96 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: I don't think that was a one and done. 97 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: You've got a fine jet blackheaded hair. That guy. I know, 98 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: it's pretty, but but you know, I've actually Lola, it's 99 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 2: really nice to talk to you because, honestly, like a 100 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: week ago, my family and I I mean, I'll get 101 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: I'll get deeply emotion before I go there, but my 102 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 2: wife and my two daughters we sat down and binge 103 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: watched the whole thing. Yeah, it was like you don't 104 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 2: even know why you do these things. Until I turned 105 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: to my left and I see my oldest daughter just weeping. 106 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: And I turned to her and I grabbed her fingers 107 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: and I said, honey, is it too sad? She said, 108 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: it's not too sad, that it's too beautiful. Ah, And 109 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: she was crying tears. She was crying tears of joy 110 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: for her family, like she doesn't know her papa who died, 111 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: like my old man died of emphysema before any of 112 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: this boy Swellers Universe stuff. 113 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: And he was a huge inspiral, wasn't he, Because a 114 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: mad reader, avard reader. 115 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 2: Lola, like all that stuff in that Boyceweller's Universe book. 116 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: And you know, the guy's addicted to reading, like he's 117 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: addicted to duuries and reading, and you're meant to want 118 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: more out of life. But that's all my old man wanted, 119 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 2: you know. And he just read books. And he did 120 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 2: have the mountains of books, Like we would move from 121 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 2: house to house and leave these genuine mountains of paperbacks, 122 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: these two dollars paperbacks you got in lifelines at the house. 123 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: I'd always let Dad, what about your books, and he's like, 124 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: they're all in my head. Now you know there's someone 125 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: else is to read now someone out meant for someone else. 126 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: And then Simon Baker, this great Australian actor, is essentially 127 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: playing this guy Robert Bell and oh man, such power 128 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: and that's what That's what my oldest daughter was crying about. 129 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 2: She was crying about his performance and it was just 130 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: so it's been an incredibly emotional time in my house. 131 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: So it's amazing you mentioned Ethonny because he's a part 132 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: of it, and he just plays Titus so beautifully. 133 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: And yeah, I asked him when he was feeling. I 134 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: was like what, I was like, how is it? He 135 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: goes git It's fun because it's fun to be there bad. 136 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: It's fun to be a villain. It's fun to sit 137 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: in that energy. 138 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: We all know him as you know. I've seen him 139 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: play great Dads, So he plays dad exactly, plays a 140 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: cop wonderfully, he plays the good guy so wonderfully. But 141 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: to see him this really menacing, salty character, it's really 142 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: wild and it shows the range of these people. And 143 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: I don't even get me started on Phoebe Tonkin is 144 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: a real revelation in this. She essentially plays the hero 145 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: Frankie bell and totally inspired by my mum, and it 146 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: makes she has let rip from her heart and soul. 147 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: I cannot wait. It's just I cannot wait. I don't 148 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: know she deserves reward under the sun. It's that deep, 149 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: it's that big. 150 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, can you share when you aram when you finished 151 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: that first draft, you send it straight to your mum. Oh, 152 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: and didn't she call you up like a day and 153 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: a half later and go. 154 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: Oh, well, I'll never forget it. I'll never forget it, 155 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: like it's nothing but awkward for her, right Like it's 156 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: at the start, that concept, the concept of having a 157 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: son who becomes a journal and then when he turns 158 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: thirty eight, he decides to write about all these kind 159 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: of secrets that he's buried deep down in the bottom 160 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 2: of his stomach for fear, for concern that people won't 161 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: really understand the complexity of it, or the people will 162 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: see it the wrong way. They'll see that my mum 163 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: had a journey for two years in a life. You know, 164 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: she spent in prison, which is just a blip on 165 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 2: the radar of an extraordinary woman's long life, just one 166 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: little blip. But that I didn't want the world. They 167 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: didn't want that to define this beautiful woman life. I 168 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: was a bit worried about writing about it, but I 169 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: had to write. I don't know, for some reason. At 170 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: thirty eight, i'd become a dad and I was really 171 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 2: well and true of the girls of like twelve and ten. 172 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: At that time, I was just ready to tell that 173 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: weird nineteen eighties period of my life in some way. 174 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 2: I write this book called Boycewaller's Universe, and I call 175 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: up Mum first and go, Mum, I'm sorry. I didn't 176 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 2: raise a carpenter. I could have built you a cupboard, 177 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 2: but you raised a writer. And I went and wrote 178 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 2: a book about our shared nineteen eighties in which you know, 179 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: we were all in love with this guy was a 180 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 2: massive heroin dealer and he's still alive today, this guy 181 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: and I talked to him still and it was a 182 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: wild time. And that guy went away for ten years 183 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 2: and we met and we were befriended people like Slim 184 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: Halliday and escaped con It was just all this stuff 185 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 2: that was too good not to write about. And so 186 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: I was like, Mum, I did it. I wrote this book, 187 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 2: but you need to read it. You need to read it. 188 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: And if there's anything in it that you're like, I 189 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: knew should be on with a lot of it. But 190 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: if there's anything really really uncomfortable, then it'll stay in 191 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: my thought. Third draw down on the desk, you know, 192 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 2: And and dead set, Lola. She calls back a day later, 193 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: a day and she goes, I, you know, I've been 194 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: late for work. I took her sick year. I couldn't 195 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: stop reading it, Trent. And and it's and it's beautiful, 196 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 2: she said, it's beautiful. And it's bigger. It's bigger than me. 197 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: So I don't even worry about it, mate. I'm gonna cry. 198 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: I'm going to cry because you know that it's such 199 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: a beautiful thing for her to do, because she was 200 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: never able to give us boys. She had four sons. 201 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: I'm the youngest of them. She just wasn't able to 202 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: give us anything, you know. And and when I was 203 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: thirty eight, she gave me the greatest gift of she 204 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: could she will ever give me, which is a story 205 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: and permission to tell it. What you know? Yeah, Mane, 206 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: it's like. 207 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: You knows your hero, Oh. 208 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: Lola, She's she's she's my you know, she is my hero. 209 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: She's become my unexpected inspiration. You know, you don't even 210 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 2: know these things. You have to I don't know, maybe 211 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: you have to, like I'm forty four now, maybe you've 212 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: got to live like four decades to understand why your 213 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 2: mom's your actual hero, you know what I mean. I 214 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: thought it was Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam and it 215 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: really turns out it really wasn't all you know, you know, 216 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: and I thought it was you know, I thought it 217 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: was Michael J. Fox when I was twelve. It wasn't. 218 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: It was a lot of other I did you know 219 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 2: that's it, And it's just like, nah, it was the 220 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 2: woman just outside the hall, you know. And yeah, so 221 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 2: it's it's been the most amazing thing. And then you know, 222 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: they turned that book into a play and then saw 223 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 2: I didn't. 224 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: Get to there's. 225 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 2: A lot of it would like over in the station, right, Yeah, totally, 226 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: And COVID sort of meant that it. You know, we 227 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 2: hope that it will travel further and a lot of 228 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: people get to see it. But we go to that 229 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 2: opening night and you know, it's pretty dark, that play 230 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: and intense, and Mum's like, you know, ten rows back 231 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: from the stage, and the amazing Mikaela Bannis is playing 232 00:11:58,520 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 2: Frank Franklin. No. 233 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: I love Mikayla's been on this podcast. She's wonderful. 234 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love her. 235 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: I love Oh. 236 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: We call her Auntie Michayla. Like she's like, become an 237 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 2: auntie to my kids. Don't even get me started on 238 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 2: that human being. Like she will send little things to 239 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: my kids and come over and she'll every time she's 240 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: in Brisbane, she's like, I've got to go out to 241 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: your house and catch up with the girls. And it's 242 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 2: like she's an incredible human being and she cares about 243 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: my mum so much. Like her first thing was like, 244 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: can I meet your mom and just just check she's 245 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 2: okay with me doing this sort of stuff. And I'm like, 246 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: don't worry, mcalla. She's all good. And Mum goes to 247 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: that thing incredibly intense. There's like moments of real trauma 248 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: on stage, and like, you know, my mom was like, 249 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 2: you tell them not to you tell those people that 250 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 2: do not shy away from that. Then what she means 251 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: from any of the dark stuff and in her case, 252 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: you know DV just terrible DV and horrendous stuff in 253 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: that book, The Boys Walls Universe is like five percent 254 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 2: of what that woman endured. But she said, if you're 255 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 2: going to go there, really go there. And they do. 256 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 2: They go there in that play, and it's horrendous and shocking, 257 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 2: Like as an audience member, you're quite you're really rattled 258 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 2: by it. And I was just checking in on her 259 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 2: all the time and she's just wiping, wiping her eyes 260 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 2: the whole time. And we get home. This is like 261 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: from Opening Night, right, and it was like standing ovation 262 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: and Mom's just like, look at like blowing her. Her 263 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 2: mind's blown. But I'm still a bit worried about her, like, 264 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: you know, Jesus, I hope she's all good inside, you know. 265 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: And we get home and it's like it's nearly midnight 266 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 2: by them by the time all the kids go to 267 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 2: bed and everything, and it's just Mum and I having 268 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 2: a beer at the kitchen bench and I'm like, Mam, mam, 269 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: you know, come on, honestly tell me how you're feeling, 270 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: like what's going through your mind? And she goes, oh, Trent, 271 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: ever since the curtain dropped, there's just been two words. 272 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 2: And she leans over and she goes, I. 273 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: Won ah, you make me crying? 274 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 2: How I won you know? I bloody. I raised the 275 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 2: boy who wrote Boy swallows Universe. Ah, don't get me, 276 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 2: they get me amost that whole journey, That's what I mean. 277 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thing you ask, you know, thank you 278 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 2: for starting where it started. For me, It started with 279 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: that phone called them mouth. That's absolutely where the past 280 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: sort of five years of my life started. It was 281 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 2: just like, hey, mom, you know. 282 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what I love though? Like learning 283 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: about the time before, like the novels and whatnot. Like 284 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: you're a journo that just really genuinely cares about their 285 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: subjects so much. And I know it's about like the reader, 286 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: but like there's something about you that seems to care 287 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: about the subject deeply as well. And oh see, I'm 288 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: gonna get emotional as well. But it's like this for you, 289 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: it feels like truthfulness is so important. 290 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: Definitely, And this is why I can't. That's why I 291 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: love your podcast, you know, Like it's it's just cutting 292 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: through the bullshit and like let's get let's get as 293 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: quickly as we can truth of another human being. And 294 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 2: it's like this is why I you know, I say 295 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: I can't. I'm not big on Danish furniture talk. And 296 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: I'm not big on like a lot of real estate 297 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: talk or something. It's like what I'm big on is 298 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: like tell me when your last cried or I know 299 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: that sounds a bit cheesy, but or tell me who 300 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: you miss in the world. Yeah, because then we're suddenly 301 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: get into the truth of a human being. Like you 302 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: can really when when people when people access for example, 303 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: they're saddest moments. It's just the closest thing the truth 304 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: you'll get from a human you know what I mean. 305 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: Like it's just like I love that. I'm like, you 306 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: got some of those. Oh here, I'll share you some 307 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: of mine with you, and and now look at us together. 308 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: We're learning. But you know what I mean, Like we're 309 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: learning and we're learning how to sort of get through 310 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: and you know, and so it's sort of yeah, and 311 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: that's all I ever did as a journal It was 312 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: really and I have no doubt, Lola that I was. 313 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: I was just totally processing stuff that in that stuff 314 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 2: in my stomach. You know, there's just no doubt about it. 315 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: And I talked to my brother just the other night 316 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: about us, like I think we all carry a bit 317 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: of like totally unprocessed shit. Are stolen boys, and it 318 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: was like and I was just really lucky that I 319 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: got a job where I got to go out into 320 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: the suburbs and just knock on someone's door and say, hey, 321 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: I've got nothing more to do today except for sit 322 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: with you for four hours if need be, and hear 323 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: everything you've got to say about life. And I'd drive 324 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: home from those chats and i'd like listen to the 325 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: tape and I'd like i'd start, you know, I've already 326 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 2: heard them and we've kind of you know, but I'd 327 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: start getting very moved and realizing, oh man, oh I 328 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: know I asked that question that was for me, that 329 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: was that was like, I'm trying to work out my 330 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: old man. 331 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: How cool is that? Like how amazing is to have 332 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: amazing but also to have that self. 333 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: Awareness, Oh thanks, Yeah. 334 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: To be able to be like hang on, that's yeah, 335 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: teaching me something as well. 336 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: Like and if that's where you're coming from, you're going 337 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: to be You're going to it's going to show, like 338 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 2: it's going to show in the way like you should. 339 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: You should see me in those moments. I'm like a 340 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: puppy dog. I'm like going, I'm like you are you've 341 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: got very like you're very already I could you know, 342 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: you're a very good listener in the terms of like 343 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: you're just like yeah, like all of that stuff, like 344 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 2: yeah right, yeah, you know, Like I'm like I was 345 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 2: like that all the time in those interviews because and 346 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: you're talking about the deepest stuff. But it's like, yeah, 347 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: it would get to the point where people appreciate it 348 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: because you know, in life, we don't get to do this. 349 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 2: You can either do it on a podcast, you can 350 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 2: pay for it in a therapists room, or you can 351 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 2: talk to a journo, you know. And it's like and 352 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 2: it's like there's not many avenues to really sit and 353 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 2: shed and it's like yeah, it's like I really appreciated that, 354 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: and you're so right. It's just it's just staying long 355 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: enough until you hear the truth. It's just sticking around 356 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 2: in the loundry long enough until they share the. 357 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: Truth and holding that space too, like honoring that space 358 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: where you're just like okay, like I have a rule 359 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: with the pod, like I'll research to the in degree, right, 360 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: but I also have a rule that like do the 361 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: research so well that you're willing to throw it away yeah, cool, Yeah, 362 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: and just go wherever it goes. 363 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: And that's great to me. 364 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: It's like, then all your job, all my job is 365 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: to just hold space and then whatever comes comes. 366 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: I love that about holding space, right, But I. 367 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: Feel like having read some of your pieces, aside from 368 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: the beautiful novels, and also like love stories, yeah, like 369 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: really hearing. Also I love the nod to love stories 370 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: in the back. I was like, he's doing a Taylor Swift. 371 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: There's an Easter egg here. 372 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 2: Oh, my daughters are the biggest Swifties. They're gonna love this. 373 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 2: They're gonna love that you reference Taylor Swift and me 374 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: in this, like I'm doing a Taylor script. I am. 375 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 2: It's kind of like my own little it's weird. And 376 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,239 Speaker 2: my editor suggested that, and I was like, is that 377 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: too indulgent? Is that too self indulgent? Do you think 378 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 2: it's too much? No? I love it. It's brief. It's brief, 379 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 2: and you've got to you've got to really not literally 380 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 2: know what it is anyway. 381 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, you've got to have an easter egg. Yeah, 382 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: tell you to a. 383 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: Little easter egg. Yeah, yeah, you're Did you get Swift tickets? Yeah? 384 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: No, I did not but I was in LA when 385 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: she performed, and I went to a gay Rams game 386 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: at Sofi him a week later, and it was just 387 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: glitter everywhere, and so I felt like a like little 388 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: little touch of switch. Yeah, and your daughter's going totally have. 389 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 2: We devoted a day. It was one of the greatest 390 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: family activities I've already been gone in. So No, we 391 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: devoted a day to buying the tickets. So yes, like 392 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: that day it was the most high pressured day. You know. 393 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: We did the thing where you're clicking on the fresh afresh, Yeah, 394 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: we did all that. Yeah. Yeah. 395 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: So last night I finished this incredible, beautiful thank You, 396 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: and there were moments where I was reading it and 397 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: I was like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 398 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: no no, especially around Erica Eric yeah. 399 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 2: Character yeah, oh wow yeah yeah yeah, And I. 400 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: Was like, this is I didn't I didn't sign up 401 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: for that, bitch, like. 402 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: You know, I'm so sorry. 403 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, I want you to know I loved 404 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: I love thank you. Yeah, giving as a reader, as 405 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: a in the movies, you just give yourself over to 406 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: the journey. 407 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: Oh mate, Yeah, can I ask you where your Lola 408 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 2: comes from? Your your name? Love? 409 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: Like Oh, yeah, you're gonna, You're gonna. So I I 410 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: did not know that lola meant sorrow, by the way, 411 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: until I read this book. 412 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: Wow. 413 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: So this is a very quite a funny story, but 414 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: not very. 415 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 2: Love I love how every name has a story. I 416 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 2: knew you would on your would. Yeah. 417 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: So my name is Lauren, which means wisdom. I found 418 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: out beautiful and sweet of honor, which I was also 419 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: pretty cozy. 420 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 2: I go all the Lauren's out there. That is a 421 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: really cool name. 422 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: But the first ever love of my life his sister's 423 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: name was Lauren, and he was like, look, can we 424 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: have a chat? And I was like yeah. He's like, look, 425 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: it feels weird dating someone with the same name as 426 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: my sister. I get that. 427 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 2: I get that. 428 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: And he's like, I really like to call you Lola, 429 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, go for it. It just 430 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: I was so young that it just stuck. And I 431 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: only like if someone if I walk down street and 432 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: someone called Lauren, I wouldn't know to turn around, Like 433 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: it's is that right? 434 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? I would that much. 435 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: And also yeah, I was like seventeen eighteen, young enough 436 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: for it to fully stick. But my dad always says, 437 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, I named you Lauren. 438 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 2: Oh I love that too. But you know what, that's 439 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 2: something even really special as well, Like that's that special thing. 440 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, there are only a certain handful of 441 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 2: people who would call you Lauren, and it's like they're 442 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 2: very special. 443 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine, yes, yeah, yeah yeah. 444 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 2: Did you find anything changed by taking on the Lola 445 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 2: like or no? 446 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: Like you know, yeah, totally. 447 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 2: Do you think there's a difference between Lola in twenty 448 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 2: twenty three to Lauren back in the. 449 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,239 Speaker 1: Day, Yeah, well, I think for me, when I tell people, oh, 450 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: my real name is Laurence Smith, which is as bad 451 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: as like plain as you can get, they'll always laugh 452 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: but say, no, no, you're a Lola. Like people straight 453 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: away you're a Lola. 454 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 2: You are actually I don't know why, but you are. 455 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: It feels, it feels true to me. But there's also 456 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: to me, there's a there's a fire and cheekiness to Lola, 457 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: which I feel like there's like this bravery or cheekiness, 458 00:21:59,080 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. 459 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 2: Just expressed what I'm trying to get at with the 460 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: whole book, though, like you are, we are not what 461 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 2: you know. We don't have to be what we're given 462 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: You know, we don't have to. You know what I'm 463 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 2: trying to say. It's not like you ran from Lauren 464 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: or anything, but it was like what I'm trying to 465 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 2: say in that thing is we are not always our blood. 466 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: We don't have to be our past. We don't have 467 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: to be the things the world is telling us that 468 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 2: we are, and we can actually find our true selves. 469 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 470 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 2: I love that you just said it. You said Lola 471 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: is true, Like Lola is the true Yeah, honey in 472 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 2: some ways. And it's like I'm totally trying trying to 473 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: get at that, Like that's amazing that it's this. 474 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: Book Lola in the Mirror. By the way, I haven't 475 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: even said the name of it yet. I cannot wait 476 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 1: to see how it's received, because to me, I was like, 477 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: how do you do this? You do you have this 478 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:58,239 Speaker 1: beautiful gift of grabbing sorrow, pain and then throwing it 479 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: in a bowl with hope and love and heartbreak and 480 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: like grief and resilience and like it's like this combination 481 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: of like all these like beautiful, terrible, but beautiful, and 482 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I think I think 483 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 1: this is a testament to you because I see, like 484 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: the pov of our protagonist here. I see similarities to 485 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: Eli Bell for sure, all right about it, right, And 486 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: it's that like unwillingness to give up. 487 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: Oh that's so beautiful people, thank you. Yeah. That that 488 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 2: is a that is a thread that I hope I 489 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 2: continue to write about for the rest of my life. 490 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: Like this book kind of represents kind of the end 491 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 2: of a bit of a youth trilogy, and it's funny 492 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: that it coincides at the same time. Weirdly, the nameless 493 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 2: hero in this book, Lola, Lola in the Mirror, is 494 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: kind of roughly the same age as my oldest daughter, 495 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 2: And it's kind of funny that I'm kind of coming 496 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 2: to the ends as my daughters kind of reach young adulthood. 497 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 2: And but I am deeply moved by Australian kids who 498 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 2: carry trauma and process it in very strange ways sometimes 499 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: but process it in the ways they only know how, 500 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 2: and and find love in very strange places because they 501 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 2: got none, and find their future, you know, in very 502 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 2: unusual ways. And that's just like, man, that's just that's 503 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: the story of my life. That's the story of a 504 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 2: lot of kids' lives, and I find that very but 505 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 2: it's the unwillingness to give up. But that is a 506 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 2: character trait that I completely adore in our young people, 507 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: Like it's just a ma or anyone, right, this is. 508 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: Also would have been you, and you're like you're childhood 509 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: because obviously a bit of Eli Bella's a little bit 510 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: of tread dol Man. 511 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 512 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's that. It's that like I hadn't a coach, 513 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: an acting coach once say like, we've all got this 514 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: tiny little spark in our heart and you've just kind 515 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: of got a fan it. You've just got to keep 516 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: fanning that until it becomes a flame, and it's like 517 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: the spirit of your two like leads or protagonists. I'm 518 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: just like, ah, like that, it's that flickering heart. Like 519 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: there are so many moments in this book where our 520 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: nameless hero could have and in this the sad world 521 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: this is set, the homeless crisis, could haven't in I'm 522 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: sure many versions of this should have given up. 523 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 2: Right, Well, well, i'll tell you, I'll tell you. I'll 524 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 2: tell you where that comes from. I'll tell you where 525 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 2: that what I'm where, the very real place where that 526 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 2: comes from is so and it's amazing. It is absolutely 527 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 2: me riffing same stuff I was riffing on with Eli 528 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: in Boyce Waller's universe. What I don't didn't go into 529 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 2: in Boyce Waller's universe is all the mirror talk that 530 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 2: I did as a kid. And so in the book 531 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: Loler in the Mirror, our hero is kind of constantly 532 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 2: looking in this sort of magic mirror that she's found 533 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 2: on a council curbside collection just kind of manifested this 534 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 2: person inside this mirror who just represents this kind of 535 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 2: ultimate woman that she might want to be and kind 536 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 2: of is a bit of a hero to her. And 537 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: like when I was a kid and growing up in 538 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 2: this housing commission house, my dad was raising us four 539 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 2: boys while mum was going through some stuff, and I 540 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 2: just remember, like I started out at about twelve, we 541 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 2: had this Lifeline Duchess. It was this ornate It was 542 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: like a mirror that Elizabeth Taylor might have had, Like 543 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: it was ridiculous, being fancy, and it just didn't belong 544 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 2: in a room. It was just someone had obviously given 545 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: it to Lifeline and we inherited it, but it just 546 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: didn't belong in the room of Jesse and Trent Dalton. 547 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: Like these two boys from Bracken Reaed. It was just ridiculed, 548 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 2: But that was our mirror. And I remember looking in 549 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: that mirror sometimes when I was like twelve and going like, 550 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 2: one day I'm gonna be Wally Lewis, so I'm gonna 551 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 2: be captain of the Queensland Rugby League team. Right, So 552 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 2: you're seeing a version of that, but by that you're 553 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 2: seeing all these different versions because you're optimistic and you're 554 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: hopeful and stuff. But I swear this this really happened. 555 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 2: Like by the time I got to about sixteen, and 556 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: I'm listening to Nirvana and I'm and I just I 557 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 2: just really stopped liking what I saw in the mirror, 558 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 2: to be honest, sloler like I and I had this 559 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: American baseball cap and I'd pull it down over my 560 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: head and I because you're old enough to realize you're 561 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 2: past and your present and your future and it all 562 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 2: looks shit, Like, honestly, it all looked shit, and I 563 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: just you'd walk in and you pull your hat down 564 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 2: and you reach for your long beach mild cigarettes and 565 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 2: that's all you're gonna do. And then if I did, 566 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 2: if I did say anything into the mirror, it wasn't hopeful. 567 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 2: It was likely to be something like fuck them or 568 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 2: you know, you're just angry and you're just on that 569 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 2: knife edge, and you know, and and I you know, 570 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: I do keep going back to the well of that 571 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 2: place because it amazes me that the Dulton boys didn't go, 572 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 2: didn't pursue that anger, you know. And and it's like 573 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 2: everyone talks about youth crime in Australia now and I 574 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: remember if someone asked me at this legal sort of 575 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 2: it was a youth advocacy forum and someone just from 576 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: the audience goes, Trent Dolton, how do we solve youth crime? 577 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 2: It's like, oh, youth crime. I could give you like 578 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 2: two hundred answers about but here's one that's been on 579 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: my mind is we've got to change largely what those 580 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 2: young boys, they're largely young boys of fifteen, sixteen, seventeen. 581 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 2: We've got to change what they're seeing in the mirror, 582 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 2: as in what they're seeing of themselves and what they're 583 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: seeing of their past, their present and the future. And 584 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 2: it was like I get that, I get that where 585 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: you don't see anything good, so there's no reason to 586 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 2: sort of change your future. 587 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: And you know, I feel like that's kind of of 588 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: highlighted in like Charlie's character a little bit, totally totally, 589 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of the other characters that are in 590 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: more the Addictionary kind of space or moving drugs, you. 591 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 2: Know, like it's oh, mate, Charlie's I love that you 592 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: mentioned Charlie. He to be honest, Charlie is the closest 593 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: thing to adult boy at that time. That is a fact. Like, like, 594 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 2: by the time I was eighteen, I was just like, 595 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,479 Speaker 2: to be honest, like it was just I'm gonna I 596 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 2: am quite happily going to become an alcoholic and kind 597 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 2: of you know, and you know, it was just there 598 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: was just no reason not to, you know. And that 599 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 2: was how I really feel for Charlie, because he's like, 600 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 2: you know, his best friend is the hero of our story, 601 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 2: and she's always just going, come on, stop being such 602 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 2: a fuck up. You're so brilliant, you're so beautiful. But 603 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 2: he just can't find his future self. He doesn't have 604 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: the magic mirror. He can't find that one. 605 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: He's been in that Foster Home loop. 606 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 2: Right, Sorry, he's probably catched. He's probably carrying too much, 607 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: that's right, that's right. Sometimes, like I dedicate the whole book. 608 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 2: What I mean, I dedicate the whole book to anyone 609 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: who didn't jump in the river and anyone who did. 610 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is like the river 611 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: of our troubles, like the weight. I just mean the weight, 612 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 2: you know, the stuff that buries us and drowns us, 613 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 2: you know. And it's like, and I get it, man, 614 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. And anyone who did jump in 615 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: the rear I get. I get it, Like I don't 616 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 2: judge that at all. 617 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: No, you know, no, no, And that's what what I love. 618 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: The way you give us the reader, Like we're feeling 619 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: empathy for each of the characters at different moments, like 620 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: even quite like the ugly characters like is it brand 621 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: and box? Yeah, there's an ugly on this book. So well, 622 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: so well, no, like and I can't. That's why I'm saying. 623 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: I'm so excited because this is a little shout out 624 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: to my beautifriend's friend Stacy. Over Christmas last year, she 625 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: saw me reading a book by an Australian author I 626 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: can't even remember. She goes, hey, I want to read it, 627 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I'll send it to as 628 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: soon as I'm finished it, and she goes, no ol traju. 629 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: She goes, I've got the best book, and she sent 630 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: me love Stories. Oh and she just wrote, I'm calling 631 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: it book of the year. I'm calling it now book. 632 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 2: Of the. 633 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: How how cool is that? And then to catch you, 634 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get emotional with Stacey. I know what a sweetie. 635 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: And she was the first pison that said you need 636 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: to get him on your pot, Stacey. 637 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: I know, Stacey. I'm really enjoying this podcast, so thank you, Stacey. 638 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to an emotional with this, and I feel 639 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: very safe to get emotional with you. But I was 640 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: reading it. I think I put a phot I was 641 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: in La Lonely as Fun and which I love LA. 642 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: But it is a bit. We were saying, it's it's brutal. Yeah, 643 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: and it's just like some days the reject you can 644 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: handle the rejection, and some days you're like, oh, give 645 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: me a break, right anyway, And I had one of 646 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: those days. I tagged I was reading your book, and 647 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: I took a photo and I tagged you in it, 648 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: and you wrote to me, don't ever stop sharing your light. Yeah, 649 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: do you remember that? It's like first the tears and 650 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: I was like, I've got to interview this human being. 651 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: I didn't expect to cry in this interview, by the way, 652 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: but you're just all hart, aren't you? 653 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 2: Just Well? Light is thank you? The best quote in 654 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 2: this book, the best thing, the truest thing I wrote. 655 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 2: I believe it's the truest thing I wrote. And the 656 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 2: kid in the book is an artist, and she processes 657 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 2: her trauma through sketches. And there's the thing I'm saying 658 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 2: in the book about it is impossible to actually draw 659 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 2: light on a white page. Like it's amazing you mentioned 660 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 2: don't stop sharing your lot. I mean that because what 661 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 2: I'm saying is, and what I say in the book 662 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: is it's impossible to draw a light on a white 663 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 2: page with a black ink pen. But the way you 664 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 2: can do it is to darken the make the darker 665 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 2: stuff dark as dark as it gets, and it makes 666 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: the light shine that much brighter, you know, we can 667 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 2: only the light comes from the darkness which we place 668 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 2: around it, you know. And it's like, I do believe 669 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 2: what you do here, you know, and your ability to 670 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 2: to just build the whole thing around failure, like around failing. Yeah, 671 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: it's freaking brilliant, Like, why the hell isn't that the 672 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 2: you know again, it taps back into that's the first 673 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 2: thing I want to talk to someone about. It's like, oh, yeah, 674 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 2: you know, it's that true. Let's get there, let's get there, 675 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 2: let's share that because it's bloody interesting and yeah, that's 676 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 2: what I mean by your light, you know. 677 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: And I think it's like that the moments of darkness 678 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: is usually where you get to feel like that, like 679 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: and this is where both of your protagonists always have 680 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: this light, unwillingless to give up things where that kind 681 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: of goes keep sucking like keep going, trust, you know, 682 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: keep going? 683 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 2: Where have you found that though? What makes you keep? 684 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 2: You know? Whatever that was in La, you know, and 685 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 2: we all know La right like and if and if 686 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 2: Michael J. Fox gave up, we wouldn't have you know 687 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 2: what I mean. It's like I love those people who 688 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 2: they just dig in. And I think actors are just 689 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 2: the most amazing people in terms of their resilience to 690 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 2: just crushing blows. Like I've spoken a lot of actors 691 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 2: and big actors, you know, like people in the show 692 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 2: in Boyceballer's universe. But you talk to those people and 693 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 2: they go, oh, mate, you should have seeing the ship. 694 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 2: People told me in terms of erasing my spirit, and 695 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 2: just like it's unbelievable. They're resilient. 696 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, especially LA acting classes in LA not all of them, 697 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: but some of them feel like your right of passage 698 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: is only through pain. And sometimes that can be quite 699 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: problematic because you're just sitting in trauma day. So some 700 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: I often will try and find a teacher that just 701 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: feels true and then I trust wherever that class is 702 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: going to go. And so for me, that is kind 703 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: of like my barometer of like if this person feels 704 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: like they're their true self, then I'm going to go 705 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: to that class. But this is why I come back 706 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: to truthfulness with you. Obviously it's the way you live. 707 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: But it's kind of rare to see, like because I 708 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: think as a coping mechanism, as a human being, we 709 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: put masks on, we put out into the universe this 710 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: version of ourselves that we think people aren't going to 711 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: judge too much or we think that we need to 712 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: be and it's like it's so rare when you and 713 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: I and because of this pod, I've cried with one 714 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: other guest on the pod, and it was because I 715 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:37,439 Speaker 1: felt like they were so real, and it's that's it's 716 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: that same feeling. But I think what I'm trying to 717 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: say is like, yes, you're right about truthfulness, but you 718 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: live true as a human being, and it feels rare 719 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: when you meet truly. I think you've got this beautiful 720 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: superpower though, where you can just pull the truth out 721 00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: of people, hence your whole career. But how important to 722 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: you is like just being Drue and living Drue? 723 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 2: Can I tell you something I'm probably most ashamed of 724 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 2: from my youth, just just light lying about my mum 725 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 2: to people, like. 726 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 1: It would have been survival though. 727 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 2: I imagine, yeah, just what like kids would go, oh, Trent, 728 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 2: how come your mum's never at the tuch shop or 729 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 2: stupid stuff? Right? But but I, you know, I you know, yeah, 730 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 2: there's really you know, like just I'd tell terrible lies 731 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 2: about what I won't even say it because it's too hurtful. Like, 732 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 2: but it's like about where she was. I was like, man, 733 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 2: what like, of course you don't have the full thought 734 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 2: that twelve to go or sorry, like eight nine, ten 735 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 2: to go. Well, she's in a really tough time. She's 736 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 2: going to come out and be the most amazing grandma. 737 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 2: It's going to work for this place over at Redcliffe, 738 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 2: and she's going to be so loved by her workplace, 739 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 2: and and she's going to go to Grandparents' Day as 740 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 2: this incredible mum that her granddaughters are going to just 741 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 2: love to bits. And then and then I'll tell you, 742 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 2: and then I say, okay, there's there's there's just a 743 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 2: total fakery. And then I remember getting into high school 744 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 2: and I just have I was just always exuberant. I 745 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 2: don't know why, Lola, I don't know why. I was 746 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 2: enthusiastic about life, right. And then I remember this guy 747 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 2: at school once just like just giving me ship, like 748 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 2: he called me, like he goes ah yeah, you know, 749 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 2: he goes ah yeah, faggot, like you know, stop being 750 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 2: so happy, you know. And I remember I remember distinkly 751 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 2: going home and like, you know, shit at home is 752 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: not good. Ship at school's not good. And I remember 753 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 2: just going I remember I remember, honestly, I was picking 754 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 2: out the mattress foam of my older brother's mattress. I 755 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 2: remember lying it with double bunk you know, bunk beds, 756 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 2: and I was picking that, you know, and and I 757 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 2: just remember, like I remember like picking out and I 758 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 2: just said something like stop like picking out the words 759 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 2: stop and what I was going like, stop being it's 760 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 2: not being this fucking bright, chirpy idiot. Honestly, I was like, 761 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 2: I am never going to be like I told myself, like, 762 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 2: stop it, because no one likes that guy. 763 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: Can you believe that it's your spirit? Like you're quite like, 764 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: you're enthusiastic, you're passionately, you're. 765 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 2: Like it's just like and it was just like I 766 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 2: remember distinctly, and it was just like what a what 767 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 2: a like what a? What a terrible thing? Like? I 768 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 2: just like that thing is the thing that got me 769 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 2: a job in journalism. It was the thing that if 770 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,919 Speaker 2: you're talking about whatever people want, it's it's my it's 771 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 2: my enthusiasm for their story. And it was just like 772 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 2: and then what happened to me that I was really 773 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 2: lucky that happens that I kind of met this girl 774 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 2: fon my wife now and she, to be honest, kind 775 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 2: of celebrated every part of me, you know, and just 776 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 2: went like like she sometimes to this day says, can 777 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 2: you turn it down a bit? Can you turn the 778 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 2: volume down a bit? Great? That's a sometimes sometimes it's 779 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 2: all a bit too much. And don't get me wrong 780 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 2: to it if I am being truthful too man, terrible 781 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 2: guy to live with, and just like that. The ups 782 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 2: and downs of that is that I'm so bright for 783 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:18,280 Speaker 2: like you on this podcast, right and then like Lola 784 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 2: Berry gets the best of me. And then and then 785 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 2: I'm like and then Fee's got to go like hey, 786 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 2: hey later on tonight, and I'm like, I don't know, 787 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,879 Speaker 2: I've just given everything to like all these people during 788 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 2: the day and forget to give it back to my 789 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 2: wife like in the kitchen at six pm, you know, 790 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 2: and it's like there's all that and she she understands 791 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 2: all of that. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is 792 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 2: it was like it was it was only becoming my 793 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 2: true self that anything good ever started happening to me. 794 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 2: And then it was only even going deeper into my 795 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 2: true self Boyce swallows Universe at the age of thirty eight, 796 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,319 Speaker 2: Like that took. That took like almost frigging like three 797 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 2: decades after some of that. 798 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: Shit for me eight like a week ago. 799 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 2: So happy birthday. 800 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,479 Speaker 1: That's amazing, Yeah, actually inspiring to hear that. 801 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 2: Good age like you you're coming towards that kind of 802 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 2: all bets are off, mate, all bets are off. You know, 803 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 2: you've done your hard work, You've done your bit, You've 804 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 2: worked your ass off from your twenties and thirties. Yeah, 805 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 2: just this is where I love where you're at, and 806 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 2: you're just so now you're going, You've gone, You're going 807 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 2: to do I'm gonna go to LA and do the impossible. 808 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to do the thing that we 809 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 2: all know is impossible. Yeah, right, you're still doing it, 810 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 2: like you're correct me if I'm wrong. The plan is 811 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 2: like you're over there, like getting acting, doing acting stuff, 812 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,439 Speaker 2: getting gigs to try and making your way taking the hits. Yeah, 813 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 2: totally doing the impossible. I just admire that to do 814 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 2: that at thirty eight is freaking brilliant. Like, that's deeply inspiring. 815 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 2: I'm sure it's inspiring anyone listening to this. 816 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 1: So can I share something to you that happened to 817 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: me recently in the LA And I really I wrote 818 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: it in my sh It's a random question. It has 819 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing to do with you as a writer. But 820 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 1: I went and saw a playwright speak. His name is 821 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: John Patrick Shanley. He's quite a prolific writer. He wrote Doubt, and. 822 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 2: I think he's amazing. I was going to say, I knew, 823 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 2: I'd known the name Doubt is incredible. Yeah. 824 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: Right, so he's seventy two, is he really? And I 825 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: went to see some works of just scenes he's thrown together, right, 826 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: so he writes his consistent writer. Anyway, in between each 827 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: scene he get up and kind of answer all of 828 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: our questions on stage. And he loves writing about mother 829 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: daughter or lett's his whole jam. He's like Arthur Miller's 830 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: done the father something perfectly. I want to sit with 831 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: the mother daughter. It's his whole jam. 832 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 2: Wow. 833 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: Anyway, he said this thing just like was like an 834 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: arrow that just shot through my heart. And he goes, 835 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: you're either writing or you're not. Oh, how does that 836 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: like ring? Like does that? How does that feel to you? 837 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,439 Speaker 2: It's it's absolutely as simple as it is as it gets. 838 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 2: That's saying that's so true. I totally believe that so 839 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 2: much of what we either read is is is just 840 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 2: not good. Right, It's like so much it's just done, 841 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 2: it's just completed, it's been finished, and it's like that's 842 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 2: our job. And and and that's why I say I 843 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 2: say to people, don't get so daunted by the prospect 844 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,839 Speaker 2: of by the process and the and the averyone gets 845 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 2: so daunted by the outcome and that that they never 846 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 2: get to the outcome. You know what I mean. It's 847 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 2: so it's so hard to just keep it unfinished because 848 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 2: you get defeated by your own self doubt, which is 849 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 2: only this horrible thing called the brain, which is a 850 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 2: complete traitor and imposter. And it will be the thing 851 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,439 Speaker 2: that always tells me that I'm such a chancer from 852 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 2: brack and reads and I don't belong to this day 853 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,399 Speaker 2: no matter what I've done. And it's this thing, the heart, though, 854 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 2: that keeps being my friend and goes, I have higher 855 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,760 Speaker 2: hopes for you, buddy, So get back down to the desk, 856 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 2: and you are either writing or you are not. And 857 00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 2: it's like every time I'm writing, every time, the Gods 858 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 2: reward me. The writing God's reward me because I decided 859 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,479 Speaker 2: to write, you know. And that's so true. Forget about 860 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 2: the bullshit I've seen people. I've seen people post things 861 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 2: and they go they like I did my setup. I've 862 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 2: got my poster on the wall, and I've got my 863 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 2: I've got my just even like this writing space we're in. 864 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 2: We're in like a really cool writing space. And we 865 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 2: spent a bit of time my writing partner and I'm 866 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 2: putting up some posters and stuff, and. 867 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,360 Speaker 1: It's like The Godfather Part three here Godfather, and we 868 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 1: literally voiced it. 869 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 2: We're like, we're going to get a bit of the 870 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,239 Speaker 2: spirit of Francis Ford Coppola in US, right, and then 871 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 2: over here we're going to get the spirit of like 872 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,839 Speaker 2: John Lennon. We're going to get We're going to get 873 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,799 Speaker 2: a bit of John. But it all means nothing. It 874 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 2: means nothing if you're not just at the desk writing. 875 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 2: And he's so right, you know, and and he's seventy 876 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 2: two and he's looking back now, that amazing playwright and 877 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 2: just going yeah, you know what it was. I just 878 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 2: sat down and I wrote yeah. And it's like, do 879 00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:58,399 Speaker 2: you think that's what he means? 880 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, he does, yeah, But it just as like someone 881 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: that loves to create. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm 882 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,879 Speaker 1: either doing that creative thing I love in whatever form 883 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 1: that is writing, podcast or whatever, or I'm not. It's 884 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 1: a simple it just but it just it just run true. 885 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 2: It is that meaning for you? Then? Is that like 886 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 2: is that the meaning of life like is that is 887 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,359 Speaker 2: that it is it as could it be as? That's 888 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 2: what I've often wondered, is the meaning of my life? Writing? 889 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: I think, I mean, you do also address the meaning 890 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:32,360 Speaker 1: of the world and. 891 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 2: The meaning I do. I do, and it's not for 892 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,319 Speaker 2: any but I think. 893 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,720 Speaker 1: I think so. I'm a big yogi and I teach yoga. 894 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 1: And there's a word in yoga called dama, and it 895 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: means to live your true calling or purpose and to 896 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: honor that dama, like to honor that within you. And 897 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,399 Speaker 1: so I think you writing honors your dama. I think 898 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: that's you on a spiritual hippie kind of you know. 899 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 2: Ah well, I'm going to rhyme something with dama. The 900 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 2: Dalai Lama who I am. I interviewed once amazing and 901 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,760 Speaker 2: I spent like two days with him follow mean around Brisbane. 902 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 2: That was my I just got a signed like great gig, 903 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 2: you know, and everything one might imagine about him times 904 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 2: are by ten And by the end I watched this 905 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 2: man move people just by you know, his dama is 906 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 2: genuinely just meeting people and just elevating them somehow. But 907 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,799 Speaker 2: I leaned into him. I had one more question left 908 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 2: of my whole time with him. He's like, we were done. 909 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 2: We were done. It had been an amazing experience. And 910 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 2: I leaned in. I said, why am I here? And 911 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,799 Speaker 2: I meant, while I eight billion of us on this 912 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 2: rock and he leans in. He goes, there was a 913 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 2: Channel seven lighting person over in the corner over there, 914 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 2: and then there was his security guard who was dressed 915 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,799 Speaker 2: in this Louis theton All black suit. It was like 916 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 2: a ninja. This dude. He looked amazing, most handsome man 917 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,839 Speaker 2: you've ever seen, and he could kill you with two 918 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 2: fingers type guy. He points to him and he says, 919 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 2: you were here to speak to him and tell his story. 920 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 2: And he points to the lighting person. You were here 921 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 2: to speak to her, and you were here to tell 922 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 2: her story, and you were here to talk to me 923 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 2: and tell my story. And that's all you have to do. 924 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 2: And he meant like I meant eight billion of us 925 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,040 Speaker 2: and he went, now, I'm going to tell you what 926 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 2: Trent Dalton has to do. 927 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: Is that also then to connect. 928 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,439 Speaker 2: That's it, that's it, that's all he's saying, and goes, 929 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 2: because the more you do that, the more we learn 930 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 2: from everyone you've connected with and then we connect to 931 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 2: you and that person and it was just so simple. 932 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,279 Speaker 1: That's your whole jam. 933 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,440 Speaker 2: It crystallized it. It was an amazingly profound kind of release 934 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 2: for me. Like it was just like, oh all right, 935 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 2: it's not that complicated. 936 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,239 Speaker 1: Yet, okay, it's yeah, it's connection. Like someone people. If 937 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: people say why study acting, I'm like to touch people's 938 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: hearts right now. When you go to a play, or 939 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 1: you read a book, or you listen to a piece 940 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,760 Speaker 1: of music, it can stop you on your tracks right. 941 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 2: Actually in a theater and a playoffs, and. 942 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:02,719 Speaker 1: It can change your heart. 943 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 2: Oh you how many times have you driven back from 944 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,399 Speaker 2: a play and gone, yeah, okay, I'm going to take 945 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 2: that with me. That's going to change me in some way. 946 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 2: I'm guilty of forgetting the thing I learned, you know 947 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 2: so quickly, you know, like you you. 948 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:19,960 Speaker 1: Get that feeling. 949 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 2: I don't think you forget that true, which is why 950 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 2: when you said doubt, for example, I go, oh wow, 951 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,400 Speaker 2: that's all suddenly comes back to me the feelings I 952 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,959 Speaker 2: had with that or you know, or yeah, just death 953 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,920 Speaker 2: of a salesman and like we were talking them about 954 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 2: that before the point and we're like, yeah, it's like 955 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,759 Speaker 2: those things that speak to me and they go, yeah, 956 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 2: remember you're right, you apply the feelings. You're right. It's 957 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 2: the good art. That's great art. Isn't it that you 958 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,799 Speaker 2: never forget the feelings that gave you right? 959 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: Well, I can't talk to you about this book without 960 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,800 Speaker 1: talking about the homeless crisis here And yeah, yeah, to 961 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: be really honest with you, I've was pretty ignorant about it. 962 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:54,799 Speaker 2: I didn't know. 963 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,799 Speaker 1: And then as soon as I finished the book, I 964 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 1: was like I said, yelled out to my boyfriend with 965 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: call each other boss, and I was like, boss, work, 966 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,440 Speaker 1: I need a research, I needed to do more reason 967 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: and I just wanted to learn. And I had no 968 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 1: idea how hard Brizzy gets hit versus other parts of Australia. 969 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: I did not know that at all. And you talk 970 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: about this like there's an invisibility that comes with being 971 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 1: a homeless person here in Brisbane and please reckon me 972 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,319 Speaker 1: if I say anything wrong or at like, I'm here 973 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,320 Speaker 1: to learn and I know that when you do your launch, 974 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 1: I think you're raising awareness for is it second Chance? 975 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 2: Second Chance? So we're doing a big fundraiser where yeah, 976 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 2: like all of the profits, it's because of this amazing 977 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 2: woman named Fiona Stego who runs this bookshop in west 978 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,920 Speaker 2: End called Avid Reader. I know, you know Avid Reader. Yeah, 979 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,680 Speaker 2: of course you would, yeah, And she's just totally giving away, like, 980 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,879 Speaker 2: you know, the money to Second Chance, and second Chance 981 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 2: raises money for particularly women and children who have been 982 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,280 Speaker 2: kind of forced out on the street, largely through domestic violence. 983 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,839 Speaker 2: And you know, so that for me, like Lola gets 984 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,800 Speaker 2: back to boys Wall's universe stuff like that's my you know, 985 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,040 Speaker 2: that's my mum. There was times in my mum's life 986 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,240 Speaker 2: and she'll tell you, you know, she had her monsters, 987 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,880 Speaker 2: you know, and and she you know, she relied on 988 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,280 Speaker 2: DV shelters and and you know the truth of it 989 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 2: is that sometimes the only option she had is go 990 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,880 Speaker 2: back to the monster or go homeless, you know. And 991 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,839 Speaker 2: that's where that stuff comes from. And then and then 992 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,440 Speaker 2: at that same time, across town, we're being raised by 993 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 2: this you know, this incredibly beautiful man who's my dad, 994 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 2: who just has these massive demons, and biggest demon being 995 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 2: the drink. But we were renting off public you know, 996 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:51,719 Speaker 2: through public housing, a little three bedroom ship box for 997 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,080 Speaker 2: less than one hundred dollars a week, right, and that 998 00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 2: was from. You know, we did that for ten years 999 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,560 Speaker 2: and I just have no doubt that we wouldn't get 1000 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 2: that home if it was in twenty twenty three in Queensland. 1001 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,440 Speaker 2: So Queensland. The reason Queensland's struggling is that it's beautiful 1002 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,040 Speaker 2: one day and perfectly fucked the next, like it's it's 1003 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:13,600 Speaker 2: it's everything that attracts anyone wealthy to Queensland is the 1004 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,560 Speaker 2: same thing that you know, the sun, the climate. Well, 1005 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 2: it's also really good to sleep in if you sleep 1006 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,080 Speaker 2: in raugh you know. So a lot of people are 1007 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 2: coming up here just to sleep on the streets and 1008 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 2: that's a fact. And but also we've got a horrendous 1009 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:32,520 Speaker 2: TV problem here in Brisbane and and really sadly, you know, 1010 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,720 Speaker 2: a lot of the cases are women. They're in cars 1011 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,360 Speaker 2: with their kids doing athletics because they can't go home, 1012 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,239 Speaker 2: you know, and it's too dangerous and and yeah, it's 1013 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,360 Speaker 2: a real problem. And you know, but also cost of 1014 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,520 Speaker 2: living that's facing every city in this country, you know. 1015 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 2: So Brisbane's absolutely not immune to that. And so there's 1016 00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,160 Speaker 2: a just down the road from where we're speaking, we're 1017 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,520 Speaker 2: talking in the in Fortitude Valley, there's this great place 1018 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,160 Speaker 2: called Third Space, and I've been documenting that place for 1019 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,520 Speaker 2: fifteen years as a journal and I remember one day 1020 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 2: I interviewed in that place in the in the kitchen 1021 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,960 Speaker 2: cafeteria where they were This family was out in the 1022 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,480 Speaker 2: smoker's courtyard. They were out there because it was that 1023 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,560 Speaker 2: packed there was there was a grandmother, a mother and 1024 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:21,239 Speaker 2: a granddaughter, so three generations of the same family, all 1025 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,359 Speaker 2: because of an act of domestic violence. They'd find found 1026 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,279 Speaker 2: themselves absolutely in the throes of homelessness, having to get 1027 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,279 Speaker 2: their lunch at the Third Space Homeless shelter. And the 1028 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,120 Speaker 2: girl was not even ten, I remember, and it was 1029 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,600 Speaker 2: it was almost a story too sad to print. It 1030 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,360 Speaker 2: almost didn't even send it in. It was so fricking sad. 1031 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,200 Speaker 2: But that really stayed with me for Loola in the mirror, 1032 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,800 Speaker 2: that that sort of there are so many echoes of that. 1033 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,719 Speaker 1: Ye, well, you can feel like there's a line. I 1034 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,200 Speaker 1: think it's like they call Australia the lucky country. That 1035 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,480 Speaker 1: one is it one women's killed every week in Australia 1036 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,240 Speaker 1: to domestic Yeah. 1037 00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,400 Speaker 2: And I had that, Well, the numbers are higher than 1038 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,480 Speaker 2: that this already so far it looks like we're going 1039 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,000 Speaker 2: to get higher than that, you know. So it's yeah, mate, 1040 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,759 Speaker 2: it's there's an amazing Yeah, there's a place called on 1041 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,759 Speaker 2: online called Dangerous Females and they always update and it's 1042 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,160 Speaker 2: it's it's so wondrous that they do it, and it 1043 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,799 Speaker 2: just reminds me every week that, yeah, and they'll they'll 1044 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 2: post about every woman across Australia who has died, and 1045 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,720 Speaker 2: it is it's the scourge, you know, it's the scourge 1046 00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,640 Speaker 2: of Australia and it's tied up in our masculinity, it's 1047 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,799 Speaker 2: tied up in our how fucked up we are. And 1048 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,799 Speaker 2: kind of as a as a nation, you know, we 1049 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,239 Speaker 2: have a there's just no doubt about it. We have 1050 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,600 Speaker 2: a violence streak in US as a nation, you know 1051 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,640 Speaker 2: what I mean. And I think that stems from where 1052 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,440 Speaker 2: where we came from as a nation. Now kind of 1053 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,719 Speaker 2: you know, we we were born through violence, you know, 1054 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,879 Speaker 2: the whole nation was born through violence. And it's sort 1055 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 2: of like and and it's something we're absolutely addressing and 1056 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,480 Speaker 2: we're so much better at it. But I'll tell you, mate, 1057 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,439 Speaker 2: I'll tell you there were times, you know, with my mum, 1058 00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,840 Speaker 2: we weren't good at it at all, Like in the nineties. 1059 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,399 Speaker 2: It was terrible some of the ship that my mum 1060 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,000 Speaker 2: got told about her options, you know what I mean. 1061 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,040 Speaker 2: And so that's where all that's coming from. And so yeah, 1062 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,520 Speaker 2: this this fundraiser we're doing is just and it's so 1063 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,719 Speaker 2: lovely to see the people of Brisbane. They're coming out 1064 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,680 Speaker 2: and they're just going, yeah, I'm there. I'm there because 1065 00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,000 Speaker 2: I see it myself. I've been tied. Like, let's be 1066 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 2: who hasn't been touched by it? Like you know, I 1067 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,080 Speaker 2: bet you you've got your stories of someone in your 1068 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,160 Speaker 2: sphere somewhere, you know what I mean that you know 1069 00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,640 Speaker 2: someone who's been through either DV found themselves just the one, 1070 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,120 Speaker 2: two or three steps away from the street. Like that's 1071 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,160 Speaker 2: that's just a fact now and I think it's they 1072 00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,960 Speaker 2: used to say it's three steps, just three moments of misfortune, 1073 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,120 Speaker 2: you know, lose your job, You lose your job and 1074 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,680 Speaker 2: you're in debt. I'm telling you, it used to be 1075 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,919 Speaker 2: you could rely on some social housing or something. I'm sorry, 1076 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,520 Speaker 2: it's not the case anymore. And it's definitely not in Brisbane. 1077 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,919 Speaker 2: The waiting list is just too long. Yeah, So it's 1078 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,240 Speaker 2: I just wanted to write about not in a preachy 1079 00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,919 Speaker 2: way at all. There's nothing that's good. There's nothing worse 1080 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,480 Speaker 2: than someone sort of just embedding their book with just 1081 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,120 Speaker 2: full preach mode. But it was like, I have to 1082 00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,160 Speaker 2: write about the world just out there, but let's do 1083 00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,000 Speaker 2: it in the same way Dickens did well, the same 1084 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,600 Speaker 2: way Shakespeare did, where it's like, let's fill it with 1085 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,840 Speaker 2: intrigue and crime and mystery and a bit of magic, 1086 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,920 Speaker 2: you know, and and and you know the best one 1087 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,400 Speaker 2: of all, love, Let's let's make it a freaking love story. 1088 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:22,440 Speaker 1: I love the love. 1089 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, it's my favorite part of the book. 1090 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:26,480 Speaker 1: There was a moment where I was like, oh, this 1091 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:26,960 Speaker 1: better not. 1092 00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,080 Speaker 2: I was like, quickly, you're the best. 1093 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,279 Speaker 1: Thing about both of your books. It's like the more 1094 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,439 Speaker 1: you not both, there's four, right, four books. 1095 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,840 Speaker 2: This is my fifth yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 1096 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,040 Speaker 1: And the more you read, the quick it's like, you 1097 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,759 Speaker 1: can't you're the best. But there's something I read in 1098 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:49,319 Speaker 1: an article. It's my last question about the homelessness. Here 1099 00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,640 Speaker 1: is there was an article I read last time and 1100 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:57,600 Speaker 1: it was homeless first attic. Second, Oh, the addiction is 1101 00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,239 Speaker 1: a way to dull pain and the trauma of living 1102 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:00,920 Speaker 1: on the street. 1103 00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,800 Speaker 2: You know, and oh, Lola, I'm so glad. That's amazing. 1104 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,200 Speaker 2: I love that. That's such a brilliant, succinct way. 1105 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,880 Speaker 1: Of putting it right, because I don't know, I just 1106 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,919 Speaker 1: think like this invisibility you talk about is like, well, 1107 00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:20,239 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of it's easier to turn a blind eye. Yeah, 1108 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,120 Speaker 1: and you know, oh, well it's because they're an addict 1109 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,560 Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like no, no, no, no, like homeless verse 1110 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:27,280 Speaker 1: attic second. 1111 00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:34,279 Speaker 2: Okay, every every social issue Australia faces finds it what 1112 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,640 Speaker 2: it finds its way to the front gates of Third 1113 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,040 Speaker 2: Space homeless Shelter in prison at eight thirty am. And 1114 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,120 Speaker 2: I mean, but what I mean by that is every 1115 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:49,520 Speaker 2: indigenous issue, every child abuse issue, every childhood trauma issue. 1116 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,640 Speaker 2: So I wrote a whole book and it went nowhere, 1117 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,560 Speaker 2: this book, and it was just a sort of a 1118 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,560 Speaker 2: it's like a self funded thing that the homeless shelter 1119 00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,440 Speaker 2: that Third Space made themselves. Used to be called one 1120 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,279 Speaker 2: three nine club these in the days, and it was 1121 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,280 Speaker 2: known as it's been around for fifty years, this shelter. 1122 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,319 Speaker 2: About ten years ago we all and I did it. 1123 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,680 Speaker 2: I wrote the book called Detours and it was interviewing 1124 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:12,520 Speaker 2: twenty people regulars from that shelter about the moment, the detour, 1125 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,319 Speaker 2: moment that set them on the path to homelessness, and 1126 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,280 Speaker 2: they the whole book was based on what you just said, 1127 00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,120 Speaker 2: homeless first, attic second, So please, can we break down 1128 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,960 Speaker 2: the myth that everyone's out there on that street because 1129 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,680 Speaker 2: of addiction. It's not trauma will get you on the street. 1130 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:35,200 Speaker 2: Often oftentimes they were stories of trauma and depression, deep sorrow, 1131 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,239 Speaker 2: you know, and an overwhelming sense of not being able 1132 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:45,960 Speaker 2: to cope in this mad world. And yes, drink and 1133 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,880 Speaker 2: drugs will help you numb the pain and get you 1134 00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,040 Speaker 2: through a frickin' night out in you know, ten degrees, 1135 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,160 Speaker 2: you know, cold, And so it's sort of like that 1136 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,239 Speaker 2: whole book was all about and every person. You know, 1137 00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,799 Speaker 2: there were stories in that book. You know, one guy 1138 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,359 Speaker 2: tell me, you know, he was in the army. There's 1139 00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,319 Speaker 2: an explosion in a tank, loses his left eye, gets 1140 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:07,919 Speaker 2: kicked out of the army. You know, it just goes 1141 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:08,400 Speaker 2: on from that. 1142 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,520 Speaker 1: I feel like there's a nod to that in one 1143 00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:11,080 Speaker 1: of the characters. 1144 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:15,400 Speaker 2: Well said, I'm telling you, there's well, that's absolutely surge 1145 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,040 Speaker 2: in the book, absolutely and The character of Roslin is 1146 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,880 Speaker 2: based from this character who had a sugar addiction. She 1147 00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,280 Speaker 2: genuinely because the sugar addiction came from moments of abuse. 1148 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 2: You know, one thing leads to another, leads to the street, 1149 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:28,320 Speaker 2: and that's sort of like that's me. 1150 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:29,880 Speaker 1: Clinkers, right, clinkers. 1151 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,439 Speaker 2: Yes, you're amazing. Thank you for not on this book 1152 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:33,720 Speaker 2: so well. It's such a tribute. 1153 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,480 Speaker 1: Can I put you on the spot and ask you 1154 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,080 Speaker 1: read my favorite paragragh I'd be honest. I mean, there's 1155 00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:39,840 Speaker 1: a lot that I love, but I kept coming back 1156 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:40,600 Speaker 1: to this one. 1157 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,920 Speaker 2: Oh you're the best, just go for it. 1158 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,040 Speaker 1: But it's from down there, you know that, you know 1159 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:48,440 Speaker 1: this thing? 1160 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,440 Speaker 2: I sit up right, I sit up right on the 1161 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,880 Speaker 2: edge of the bed. Something right and true. That the 1162 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,320 Speaker 2: artist is captured in the girl, the sorrow and the 1163 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,880 Speaker 2: girl the hope in the girl. The words coming from 1164 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,560 Speaker 2: the girl's mouth, silly words, dumb words that never should 1165 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,320 Speaker 2: have been captured in time. I am invisible, the speech 1166 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,800 Speaker 2: bubble reads, I am invisible. 1167 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,000 Speaker 1: To make me cry again? 1168 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,560 Speaker 2: No, Lola, thank you that that moment And I won't 1169 00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,720 Speaker 2: say what's happening there, but that moment started the book 1170 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,800 Speaker 2: like I started at that moment because I love that 1171 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:26,360 Speaker 2: moment so much, a thief finding a moment of true 1172 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,800 Speaker 2: love inside the room that she's robbing. And I'm like, oh, 1173 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,320 Speaker 2: that's cool. I'd read that before, you know, and it's like, 1174 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,240 Speaker 2: that could be a good start to a love story. 1175 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,240 Speaker 2: So I just love I love that you've noted that, 1176 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,520 Speaker 2: and it's yeah, it's my favorite part in the book. 1177 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:40,400 Speaker 2: My favorite part. 1178 00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, friend, it is. I hope I can call your 1179 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:43,959 Speaker 1: friend now. 1180 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,400 Speaker 2: But sure can, you sure can? 1181 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,200 Speaker 1: An absolutely honor And to the listeners, I can't wait 1182 00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,000 Speaker 1: for you to read this book. By the time this 1183 00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,840 Speaker 1: pod comes at it will be available and on the shelves, 1184 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,280 Speaker 1: and please get yourself a copy. And if people want 1185 00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:01,120 Speaker 1: to get around and support some you're so passionate about 1186 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:05,960 Speaker 1: this homeless crisis. Is second Chance a good thing to support, Lola? 1187 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,480 Speaker 2: That'll beautiful if anyone want to look up Second Chance 1188 00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,760 Speaker 2: and they're versions of it in their city, you know, 1189 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,360 Speaker 2: organizations helping women in particular on the street. It's one 1190 00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:21,320 Speaker 2: of the most rapidly rising demographics women, particularly women over 1191 00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,240 Speaker 2: fifty five. So it's yeah, I'd just urge you to 1192 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,080 Speaker 2: just to sort of keep a little piece of your 1193 00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,440 Speaker 2: heart open to that kind of world. That's amazing. 1194 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,360 Speaker 1: Trent Dalton, you are amazing, Lola. 1195 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,160 Speaker 2: I've got one thing to say to you. Please don't 1196 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,320 Speaker 2: stop sharing your light and then repeat it. I really 1197 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,200 Speaker 2: love this. Thanks for having me. It's a real joy. 1198 00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:45,840 Speaker 1: You're wonderful. That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. 1199 00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,000 Speaker 1: As always, thank you to our guests, and let's continue 1200 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,760 Speaker 1: the conversation on Instagram. 1201 00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,520 Speaker 2: I'm at Yamo, Lola Berry. 1202 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:59,320 Speaker 1: This potty my word for podcast is available on all 1203 00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,400 Speaker 1: streaming thoughts. 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