1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. Coming up on the episode, 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Meghan Markel labeled a manipulative monster and diva. By sixty minutes, 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: we debunked the latest influencer trends that could impact your health, 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: and the latest bachelor's scandal who set to walk out 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: of the mansion the first How were your weeks? Well, 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: I had a pretty interesting weekend. I thought i'd better 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: update our listeners who may have had our podcast all 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: about the Bucks party my boyfriend attended a few weeks ago. Well, 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: this weekend it was the Hen's party, and to my surprise, 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: we actually had topless Mayle waiters there. 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: And I've never. 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Been to a Hen's party with topless waiter, so I 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: had no idea what to expect. 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: Was your boyfriend a bit annoyed? 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: Well, we didn't, well, because they were just there when 16 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: I rocked up. We only talked about it after, and 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: he didn't really. Actually, I think he cared slightly. I 18 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: could see in his face he was a bit like, 19 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: oh okay. And more importantly, did Dale than go record 20 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: a podcast about how outraged he was about the whole thing? No, 21 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: he didn't, but it actually just reinforced my views about 22 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: the whole thing, as in, it was actually so tame 23 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: the male waiters compared to what I heard the female 24 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: waitresses were doing. But again, if I had a Hens party, 25 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: I personally wouldn't want topless waiters because I just found 26 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: it really uncomfortable. 27 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: What about your guys? 28 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: Week In better News, I've actually found a podcast that 29 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: I'm loving at the moment. It's called Literally Nobody Cares, 30 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: and it's from Sam Mangan. I'm sorry if I've butchered 31 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: his last name. He's that fabulous guy that does rants 32 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: about things that piss you off. 33 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 2: I love it. 34 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: It is so funny. 35 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: I just actually found. 36 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: Myself like giggling to myself the whole time listening to it. 37 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: My only issue is that he's rude about Taylor Swift. 38 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: We can forgive him though. 39 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: Now moving on to our first topic, sixty Minutes is 40 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: facing global backlash for its tabloid style takedown of Megan Markle. 41 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: The story promised to uncover the scandal's abuse and lies 42 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: that supposedly surround the Dutchess. In this much anticipated television return, 43 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: Karl Stefanovic set out to uncover how Meghan has lost 44 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: her sparkle and whether the ghost of Princess Diana can 45 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: save their fairy tale. The Markle debarcle is causing headaches 46 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: of bosses at nine after critics have slammed the network 47 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: for its sexist double standards and racist tone. Sophie, for 48 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: those who haven't seen the story, can you talk us 49 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: through it? Well? Meghan was labeled everything from a manipulative monster, 50 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: a nobody, a diva. 51 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 2: She was also labeled. 52 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: Unfit for royal status, and to top it off, she 53 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: was criticized for her bad clothes. So he promised to 54 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: investigate how Meghan had spiraled into a bit of a 55 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: bad prpit, how she had supposedly ignited a royal crisis, 56 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: and after how a year of marriage her popularity had plummeted. 57 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: I found it disgusting because, as you were saying, before 58 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: they even brought the ghost of Princess Diana into it, 59 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: saying that she might be able to help save their marriage, 60 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: it was pretty appalling. 61 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: I agree. 62 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: I found myself tisking the whole time. And one of 63 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: the things that really you hated me with these apparent 64 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: experts that Carl spoke to. One was a columnist called 65 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: Katie Hopkins, and as soon as she came on to 66 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: the screen. Amen, I turned to each other and just like, 67 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: she's a racist bitch. So she has actually been known 68 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: to have called African migrants cockroaches, and she just completely 69 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: disliked Meghan for no reason. So she was walking around 70 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: the streets out in the front of Buckingham Palace with 71 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: pictures and who do you like better, Kate or Meghan, 72 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: and just cheering when anyone said anything against Meghan. It 73 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: was so embarrassing. I thought it was awful how she said, 74 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 1: it's my royal family, it's my Prince Harry, and when 75 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: any sort of questions around racial undertones came up, she 76 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: was so quick to dismiss them. But then it just 77 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: didn't make any sense that she could not give a 78 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: reason other than the fact that Meghan had not as 79 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: great fashion taste as Kate for the reason for her 80 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: disliking her. What confused me throughout the whole story was 81 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: I was just waiting to actually find out what these 82 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: supposed experts were so angry at Megan for doing, because 83 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: the whole time it was just let's say this outlandish 84 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: comment about Meghan, and let's say this as you said 85 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: about her fashion sense. But there was nothing. There was 86 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: no real basis for what they were actually saying. And 87 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: we have to remember, sixty Minutes is our flagship a 88 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: current affairs program, and we're resorting to talking trash on 89 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: Meghan Markel as our number one story on the show. 90 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: And there was a great story by sixty Minutes reporter 91 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: Sarah Arbo which followed the Meghan Markel debacle, which should 92 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: have been the lead story. Her biggest crime, according to 93 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: sixty Minutes, is that she flew in a private jet 94 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: along with Prince Harry. And that's such a crime, apparently 95 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: because she claims to care for the environment. I think 96 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: the fact that she's using her power to fly around 97 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: the country to talk about such important issues it's worth it. 98 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: It definitely eclipses her crime of flying in a private jet. 99 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that royal protocol though, to fly in 100 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: a private jet. Just back to the whole racism aspect, 101 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: which a lot of people on Twitter and social media 102 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: were calling out. The Katie Hopkins claimed a racism card 103 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: shouldn't be played, but earlier she stated how all the 104 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: old ladies like her hate Meghan Markle, while all the 105 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: young people love her. Now I'm not trying to be ageist. 106 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: But isn't that a little bit of a clue that 107 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: it could be about race and also in terms of balance. 108 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: We've just said, how sixty minutes it's usually such a 109 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: great program for that. Why wasn't there anyone in Meghan's camp? 110 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: Why didn't we have any young people, any boxes on 111 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: the street. There was literally one voxy of someone saying 112 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: that they didn't like Meghan. It's funny you mentioned that 113 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: nobody was talking on the side of Megan Markle, because 114 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: sixty Minutes has faced incredible backlash after the story aired 115 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: on Sunday. And it's quite funny because I had a 116 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: look at their Facebook page today and now suddenly they've 117 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: posted an extended interview with Andrew Morton, who only featured 118 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: I think in maybe one grab in the whole story, 119 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: and they've chosen a grab which says Diana died at 120 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: thirty six. Meghan come onto the scene at thirty six 121 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: in a kind of curious spiritual way. She's picked up 122 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 1: her bat on. Andrew Morton warns that history could repeat 123 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: itself as the intense backlash towards Meghan Markle mirrors the 124 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: pressures Princess Diana once faced. This was not mentioned once 125 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: in the program, and it is completely hypocritical of sixty 126 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: Minutes to post this because they are the ones that 127 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: are now pointing the finger at Meghan Markle. That's what 128 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: disturbed me most about the program was how much it 129 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: did mirror the Princess Diana scenario. And we do not 130 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: need another death of a princess on our hands. And 131 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: it's clear that they're backtracking in this situation because they 132 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: did not show the other side and be objective in 133 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: this story. But so many people have come out in 134 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: support of Meghan Markle. The best tweet I saw was 135 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: from Jamila Demil who wrote, you stupid anti black scumbags. 136 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: This is a fucking pantomime, not journalism, And she was 137 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: actually Jamila Demil was actually recently handpicked by the Duchess 138 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: to appear on the cover of Vogues September issue, so 139 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: there is a connection between her and Meghan Markle. 140 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: Well, there was also another. 141 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: Treat tweet by actress Mia Farrow and she said, shame 142 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: on you for airing this trash. Great Britain is fortunate 143 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: enough to have this intelligent, compassionate, beautiful woman in the 144 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: royal family, and then she went on to say, with 145 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: all due respect, this smug racist babbel is appalling, idiotic, 146 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: distressing and disgusting. So another great tweet from Jamela Jamil was, 147 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: if you have to bring in Katie Hopkins, you're scraping 148 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: the absolute bottom of the barrel. So immediately we can 149 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: dismiss this trash entertainment as any form of journalism. Are 150 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: there any persons of color in this dock other than 151 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: the woman being bullied? Where's the dock on Andrew the pedo? 152 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: So what Jamella is actually referring to is Prince Andrew's 153 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: relationship with billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, who is also a convicted 154 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: sex offender. So Epstein committed suicide in jail recently, and 155 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: despite all these sex offenses coming out into the public, 156 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: Prince Andrew still was still friends with the billionaire, and 157 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: it came out during the court case looking into Epstein's 158 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: behavior that Prince Andrew was accused of grouping a young 159 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: woman's breast while a Jeffrey Epstein's Manhattan apartment in two 160 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: thousand and one. According to the document, another Epstein's accusers 161 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: alleged she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew 162 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: on three occasions. Now, this person actually came out who 163 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: was under eighteen, So even after all of the Epstein's 164 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: crimes came out, Prince Andrew still remain friends with him. 165 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: The whole story was complete double standards. We had Katie 166 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: Hopkin going on that she despised Megan Markles so much 167 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: because she's a divorce a. 168 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 2: What about Prince Charles. 169 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: He's an divorced adulterer and we're all happy to you know, 170 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: she's happy to look past for him. To be fair, 171 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: Prince Charles and Camilla are probably the most hated members 172 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: of the Royal family. Although I agree it's a complete 173 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: double standards and the story had no factual basis to it. 174 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: I think that's a bit of a silly point. On 175 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: the topic of rating the Royal family. Apparently Camilla is 176 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: number one hated, followed by Megan Markle. 177 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 2: Well, I don't believe that. 178 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: Though I love Meghan Markle and everyone I know loves 179 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: Megan Markle, I don't know where this has come from. 180 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: To be honest, the whole thing to me reeks of 181 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: a royal cover up, and it's not the first time 182 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: they've used Meghan as a decoy to avert attention away 183 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: from other royal scandals. A couple of months back, there 184 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: was a scandal involving Kate Middleton and Prince William and 185 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: it was said that Prince William had an affair with 186 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: Kate Middleton's friend that lived in the same town as them, 187 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: So there was no sixty minutes expose on Prince William 188 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: being a cheater. Instead, it was all about Kate and 189 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: Meghan hate each other. So for me, this could be 190 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: coming from the Royal family. They might be using Meghan 191 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: as escapegoat because everyone bloody loves, everyone notices her, and 192 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: it's very interesting the timing around the Andrew pedophile scandal, 193 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: and she is a pretty easy target, as you say, 194 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 1: being American, being a divorce a, being a former actress, 195 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: it all makes sense that she would gain a lot 196 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: of press attention, and of course the underlying thing about 197 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: being a woman of color. I just want to know 198 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: how many women were going to continued treating like this. 199 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: I mean, did we learn enough with Princess Diana. I mean, 200 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, Prince William and Prince Harry went through so 201 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: much to deal with that for then their wives to 202 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: be treated in exactly the same way, and touching on 203 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: Princess Diana in the story itself, they said that Princess 204 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: Diana went through the same thing. She was built up 205 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: up to her wedding day as the most beautiful princess 206 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: that everyone wanted to be, and then subsequently after there 207 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: are all these stories that came out saying that, you know, 208 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: her staff didn't like her and this, and that. It 209 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: is just tall poppy syndrome. We build them up so 210 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: we can drag them back down, and then we'll build 211 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: them all up again, and then we'll drag them back down. 212 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 2: It's just a. 213 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: Common pattern, unfortunately that women seem to have to put 214 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: up with. But it's also interesting now the sixty minutes 215 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: is saying that Princess Diana is a saint again because 216 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: I remember growing up. I remember all the stories were 217 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: casting her in an horrific light like Megan Mirka's being 218 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: cast in. Well, that's the thing. Unfortunately, when people pass away, 219 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: it's a bit like Steve Irwin. He was completely slagged 220 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: off once while he was alive, but once he died 221 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: he became a saint. And that brings up another point 222 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: I found from a journalistic perspective. I found the script 223 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: itself of that story so tacky, like they played Royals 224 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: by Lord and they referred to Princess Diana. I think 225 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: it was something like as the mother in law from 226 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: Heaven or something really tacky in and I just thought, 227 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: are we watching sixty Minutes or are we watching Today 228 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: tonight or a current affair? Well, it was really interesting 229 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: because Karl Stefanovic has been known for reporting on really 230 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: important issues. It's a really strange that he's come in. Well, 231 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: he covered the terrorist attack in twenty fifteen. I don't 232 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: know if Karl Stefanovic is really thought of as being 233 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: a seasoned journalist. I mean, really, I would argue that 234 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: he is thought about a season journal His reputation has 235 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: been completely destroyed following the end of his marriage and 236 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: his new relationship, and it seems so odd that Channel 237 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: nine would choose to have him come back and be 238 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: on sixty Minutes and do this story when his own 239 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: personal life has been so scrutinized by the public. And 240 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: that's what Channel and I are facing now, a huge backlash. 241 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: Who are actually calling for Karl Stefanovic to be sacked. 242 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: I actually read an article that was saying that Karl 243 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: Stefanovic and Channel nine, it was a stroke of genius 244 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: by them. 245 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: Who the hell wrote that? 246 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: And it was suggesting, let me guess some middle aged racist, 247 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: Well it was daily at the middle aged races. It 248 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: was suggesting that Karl Stefanovic got out of favor with 249 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: all the Today viewers because of the dramas going on 250 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: with his ex wife, So pairing him in a Meghan 251 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: Markeles story would get women on his side. But I 252 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: don't really see how that was a success for him. 253 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: It's not young women that hate her, it's bloody old 254 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: people that don't like her. Well, it is interesting that 255 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: a year after his own witch hunt, he went on 256 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: a witch hunt for Meghan Markle and that's what he 257 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: is copying. A lot of criticism for it was funny 258 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: because the story brought up the private jet controversy. Yet 259 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: Carl copped absolute shit when the paparazzi photos came out 260 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: of him on this really expensive yacht. So you think 261 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: that he have more sensitivity in the story than what 262 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: he did, seeing as he's experienced a lot of the 263 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: criticism that she's faced. He did seem to scoff a 264 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: lot at the answers the apparent royal experts gave and 265 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: sort of gave side glances, but then it didn't really 266 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: like it. Just it was just a complete car wreck. 267 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: It didn't make any sense. I think the best thing 268 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: to take out of the whole sixty minutes Meghan Markel 269 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: tobacle is the fact that it did not rate. So 270 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: the story actually lost one thousand viewers compared to the 271 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: week before. And I know there were a lot of 272 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: people on social media when the advert came out for 273 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: the package saying I'm not going to watch, I'm going 274 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: to turn off, and they actually did. That's what the 275 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: ratings recorded, and it actually shows that people are over 276 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: this kind of bullshit reporting, and it's showing sixty minutes 277 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: that they need to focus more on important stories like 278 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: the one Sarah Abo did which followed this Meghan Michael 279 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: to bacle. Moving on, It's been a drama packed season 280 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: of The Bachelor, with fights, c bombs, and even two 281 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: contestants hooking up, and with only a few weeks left 282 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: before Australia finds out who stole Matt's heart, we're left 283 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: wondering if we've all been had again. 284 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 2: Amy can you explain, Well, if. 285 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: We're to believe the headlines right now, BATCHI fans are 286 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: set to be let down majorly this week, with fan 287 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: favorite Ellie set to exit the show. Now I'm going 288 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: to be referring to some Daily Bail pieces. So again 289 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: it's questionable whether some of these things are true. 290 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: But a Daily Mail article. 291 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: Has come out with an exclusive photo which shows Ellie 292 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: in Greece last month, and she's said to be on 293 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: a girl's trip all alone. Can I interject here? That's 294 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: kind of interesting because a week ago the Daily ran 295 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: a story about Ellie had an explosive secret to tell Matt, 296 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: and it was that she had actually booked in a 297 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: girl's European trip for right after when the show ended, 298 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: So regardless of whether the two were together, she would 299 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: have been going on this trip anyway. 300 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: Well, that's right. 301 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: Ellie has come out and said that the trip was 302 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: booked about a year ago, and you know, regard regardless 303 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: of if she wont she was going to go on it. 304 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: But what makes it interesting and what points to the 305 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: fact that Ellie does not win, is that in interviews 306 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: following the launch of The Bachelor, Matt has said that 307 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: he is still in a relationship with the winner, and 308 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: that they hang out, you know, after work and whatnot. 309 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: And the new articles come out today which actually reveals 310 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: that Chelsea and matt work just around the corner from 311 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: each other. In fact, they even added Google Maps to 312 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: this and it shows that they are a thirteen minute 313 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: walk from each other's work. It's interesting as well because Mattie, 314 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: Jay and Laura they also lived in the same state, 315 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: so they had the same sort of rumors speculating that 316 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: they were catching up as well, so it is a 317 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: good point by this article well. 318 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: And also Chelsea. 319 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: Is the only woman who lives in Melbourne that remains 320 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: on the show, so unless someone secretly moved there, I'm 321 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: guessing from people's Instagram account, they all look as if they're. 322 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: In their own state. 323 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: And the other fact which points to Chelsea winning is 324 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: the odds have always been in her favor, so even 325 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: when she wasn't shown in the first few weeks, she 326 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: has constantly had. 327 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: The shortest odds. Is that in sportsburn This is on 328 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: all of. 329 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: The major betting websites and it's a similar pattern. It 330 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: seems to be that the favorite, like Ellie, is shown 331 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: in the first few weeks and they never ever win. 332 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: It's very reminiscent of the Nicky Grogan. But I think for. 333 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: Even Brook, remember she was everyone thought she was going 334 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: to win, and she had a shock exit. So for me, 335 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of sad for the people who do end 336 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: up winning The Bachelor because it seems like their love 337 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: story is never shown. 338 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: And that's something Laura Byrne talked. 339 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: About on her podcast that we never really saw the 340 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: connection between her and Maddie because they wanted it to 341 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: be a surprise. But then in a way, I kind 342 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: of feel like that's bad because there's always this negative 343 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: media attention which comes out when there is a surprise 344 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: winner picked, and this pressure on this new relationship, and 345 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: that's what we're lacking so much in The Bachelor is 346 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: the love story. So it does seem at Channel ten's 347 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: detriment that they aren't including any but it's a similar pattern. 348 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: That's how we've seen every Bachelor play out. We've got 349 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: our villain Abby, we've got the bitch fights, we've got 350 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: the hook up even from the contestants, and now we're 351 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: going to have this shock. But maybe now that we 352 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: know the formula, it's actually not going to be such 353 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: a sure people have been preparing themselves. After episode one, 354 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: so many people online were saying, oh, no, she's the 355 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: next Nikki. So I think people have prepared themselves or 356 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: the next decoy. It became quite obvious to me that 357 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: Ellie wasn't going to win last week because she was 358 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: involved in all the bitch fighting with Abby. That's a 359 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: sign as soon as you get involved in the bitch fights, 360 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: you're gone. Seriously, just sit back, don't get involved in 361 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: any of the fights, but have your little sob story 362 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: about being nervous and shy even though you've got the 363 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: killer body, and keep going. I was going to say, 364 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 1: I doing my batchy research today. I read an article 365 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: from Mum and Mia and apparently it's said that Matt 366 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: was studying in Sweden before he started The Bachelor and 367 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: had a romance with his Swedish tutor and the claiming 368 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: that he's still in love with this woman. And I 369 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: was like, Wow, they're really scraping the barrel to try 370 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: and throw shit on this guy, Like I feel like 371 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: he's too squeaky clean, and maybe we need him to be. 372 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: We do think we have thrown much shit on him. 373 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: I mean how many other bachelors have made out with 374 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: that many women, And I feel like he has made 375 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: out with everyone on the show, but he hasn't been 376 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: cast as a dirt bag or anything like. I suppose 377 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: it's hard to be cast as a dirt bag. After 378 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: the honey Badger's see, he could do anything. They don't 379 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: want him to be a dirt bag. That's the whole point. 380 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 2: Oh, I understand. 381 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: I'm just saying Ali got blamed and kind of slut 382 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: shamed in a way for making out that because it 383 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: was a third time on the show and nobody. 384 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 2: I don't think it was. I think it's because it's 385 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 2: rare to see a woman acting in that way. 386 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: It might have had to do with the fact that 387 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: a story came out about her and that dickhead us intruder, 388 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: whatever his name was. I still think women face double 389 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: standards when appearing on that show. 390 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: Do you know what I found? 391 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: I also read this week that apparently Matt hasn't been 392 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: watching the series, and he implied that maybe the winner 393 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: also hadn't been watching. So maybe it is because it's 394 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: so awkward because he is kissing. 395 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: All the girls. 396 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: I actually always do think that it would be incredibly 397 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: awkward to watch afterwards with your then with your new partner. Well, 398 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: I guess we'll just have to wait to see what 399 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: happens tonight. But I'm guessing Ellie isn't going to be 400 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: in the show for much longer. Moving on to our 401 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: top headlines of the week. The first one is Sophie 402 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: Monk helps beautiful people in another epic Love Island trailer. 403 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 2: Okay, can you talk us through it? 404 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: So in the ad, Sophie Monk is playing Cupid and 405 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: she's helping the other eleven out of ten's find they're 406 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: eleven out of ten, So it's a lot of beautiful people, 407 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: a lot of social media influencers. Because a guy talks 408 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: about how he gets fifty thousand likes, be's still trying 409 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: to find a nice girl. So really it's a bit 410 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: of a play on Channel nine being pretty charitable and 411 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: finding these ultra hot people other hot people to fall 412 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: in love with. I like that they're trying to add 413 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: a bit of humor into it, but I felt like 414 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: Love Island UK had just so much more to it 415 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: than attractive people. I felt like they cast them really 416 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: well because there were so many different ethnicities, so many 417 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: different looking women. It will be interesting to see how 418 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: the cast does come together. That was some criticism that 419 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: the Australian Love Island cops, so hopefully we will see 420 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: a different sort of cast with lots of ethnicities covered. 421 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: But to be honest, I think the only reason Channel 422 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: Nine's hurried up and actually pulled all of this together 423 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: because there was a lot of question marks over whether 424 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: the Love Island would be brought back, and I think 425 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: it all comes down to the success of the English 426 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: Love Island that aired on nine now and I'm nervous. 427 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: I just don't think it's going to live. 428 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 2: Up this bit of me. 429 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that excited for it because it's just not 430 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: going to be as good. I really do hope that 431 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: they have people who also have quite intelligent on there 432 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: as well. I felt like we had such a good 433 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: mix of different jobs and intelligent people. I hope they're 434 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: not all just bar people and models and social media influences. 435 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: We don't have lung to wait. 436 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 2: It should be exciting to see. 437 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: The next article was published on Domain and the headline reads, 438 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: is this home trend the ultimate sign of wealth and privilege? 439 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: And it goes into how having a really neat and 440 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: tidy cupboard is like a badge of honor these days. 441 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: I feel like that's something you could relate to. Kate. 442 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: Yes, well, after watching Sarah's Days YouTube with her pantry goals, 443 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: I did set myself up with a whole bunch of 444 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: jars and different bits and bobs to make my pantry 445 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: look really good. I've actually lucky enough to have a 446 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: walk in pantry only because I'm in a rental, otherwise 447 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: I would not be able to afford it at all. 448 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 1: And I've also come across our friend's daughter has this 449 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: amazing page and she has the most incredible pantry I've 450 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: ever seen. But a lot of questions were asked regarding 451 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: how does she have so much food to stock in 452 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: it to make it look so good. Yeah. Well, this 453 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: article is talking about Australian model Lara Worthington's cupboard which 454 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: she showed on Instagram, and she has a whole drawer 455 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: of spices and cereals and it just looked insane. I 456 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: don't know how people could actually keep these cupboards tidy. 457 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: But it's funny because they're saying that revealing your cupboard 458 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: now on Instagram is kind of like the new gender 459 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: reveal and the new engagement announcement, and that it is 460 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: a sign that you're very privileged and got your shit together. 461 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 2: Really, it's so bad because. 462 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: I love it, like I want a really like when 463 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: I see that stuff, I really want an organized pantry 464 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: and organize fridge. But it's so blanky. I feel a 465 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: shame because my cup at home is disgusting. Like I've 466 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: got a really small kitchen and I can I can't 467 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: organize anything in it. I'm getting stressed because I'm moving 468 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: out next month with my boyfriend and he's got like 469 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: an oh oh. He touched on the fact that he's 470 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: got the red carpets and stuff, but it's an old 471 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: style house. I don't know how my organization is going 472 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: to go. And I'm going to be without a walking pantry. 473 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: Well that's the thing as well. We were talking about 474 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 2: was spoilt. Sorry. 475 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: We were talking about how the women actually managed to 476 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: keep these pantries up, and the article talked about how 477 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: a lot of them have housekeepers and personal chefs and 478 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: never actually go near the pantry at all unless they 479 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: need to get, you know, something out, So it doesn't 480 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: it seems like it must be a lot of behind 481 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: the scenes were going into it from other parties. I'd 482 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: love to know how much food wasted is going on 483 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: as well, definitely. And our final headline comes from Mama 484 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: Mia and it reads Eddie's girlfriend posed with her future 485 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: engagement ring for over a month. She had no idea. 486 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: I loved this article, Kate, can you tell us about it? 487 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: It was amazing. So this UK athlete, Eddie, he was 488 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: looking for a spontaneous way to propose to his girlfriend, 489 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: so he actually began carrying the ring around with him 490 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: everywhere he went because he knew that if he'd planned 491 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: some big dinner or a trip overseas that you know, 492 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: his girlfriend would cotton on to what he was doing. 493 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: And whilst he was doing I think he was sitting 494 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: on the couch with the ring out and he realized 495 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: that she like just admiring it like Gollum style, and 496 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 1: he realized that his girlfriend really spotted him. So then 497 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: he kind of thought and said, well, how many times 498 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: can I get away with actually doing this and then 499 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: doc the whole process. There's bloody hilarious that there's a 500 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: picture of the girlfriend carrying a bike up the stairs 501 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: and he's standing there with a ring right in front 502 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: of her. I like the ones where she was asleep 503 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: and he just have them held up near it. Well, 504 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: there was one where she was asleep and the ring 505 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: was actually in her hand, like, not even in the 506 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: box like the actual So it's bloody hilarious. Would you 507 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: like your boyfriend to do this to you if he 508 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: was going to propose? It's pretty funny. I mean it's 509 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: been done now, but it's pretty funny. It's funny. But 510 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: I also there's something I wouldn't like about it. One. 511 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 2: I don't like people taking photos of me asleep or 512 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 2: when I'm unaware. 513 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like it loses a bit of 514 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: the shine. Well not if she didn't know, Like it 515 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: would have been terrible if she actually did notice him 516 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: doing that and then that's how she discovered. But he 517 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: actually did end up proposing, and then it came out 518 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: later on about all the photos. 519 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 2: How did he propose in the end? 520 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: I don't think they actually went into it. I think 521 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: it was I think it was done on the spot 522 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: in a special moment, and I think he kept the 523 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: photos the secret from her for a little while. I 524 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: don't know how he got away with it though. There 525 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: were so many where it would have been. If she 526 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: just quickly turned around, the whole thing would have been spoilt. 527 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: So onto our next topic. A new test is infiltrating 528 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: the social media world one bloated stomach at a time. 529 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: In the last month, there has been an influx of 530 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: Australian influencers promoting food intolerance tests. 531 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 2: But just how accurate are they? Okay, can you tell 532 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: us a little bit more about these tests? 533 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: Well, firstly, I came across this idea of a food 534 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: intolerance test when I was watching Talia Scan's YouTube channel. 535 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: It's a guilty pleasure, I admit, So she uploaded a 536 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: twenty five minute video entitled I Am dairy intolerant plus 537 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: more slash acne, slash why I lost three kilos slash bloating. 538 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: I can see way you like watching it now. Bloating 539 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: is just such a big buzzword on social media and 540 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: has gut health and can butcher. So in this video, 541 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: Talia Scans told her many followers that she had a 542 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: blood test and then passed on this blood test result 543 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: to a company that would then analyze the blood test 544 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: to see which food she was in tolerant too, and 545 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: the results came back in, and to be honest, I 546 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: was pretty shocked by them. So she did a neutropath IgG, 547 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: a general good panel test. Now this test is meant 548 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: to tell her what food she is intolerant too. So 549 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: the test results claimed she is highly intolerant to get 550 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: this sesame, seeds, banana, pineapple, blueberries, coffee, dairy way like 551 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: weep like way so way, I mean not we and oats, 552 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: So she's allergic to everything basically. Then they had she 553 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: is also moderately intolerant to white rice, cauliflower, broccoli, asparagus, eggs, cranberry, 554 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: and oregano. I just found this so perplexing. And then 555 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: she's in Barley currently speaking her new villa, and she's 556 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: saying that she cannot eat any of these foods, and 557 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: most of these foods are her favorite things that she 558 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: always loves eating. So I was like, well, what the 559 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: hell is she going to actually eat? So for me, 560 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: this had a bit of a red flag. I'm like, 561 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: this surely doesn't make any sense. So then I started 562 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: picking up the other influencers and YouTubers were starting to 563 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: mention that they were suffering from these food intolerances, and 564 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: it seemed to be quite a prevalent thing. So I 565 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: had a bit of a look because I know ef. 566 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: Everyone knows me. I always say that I must be 567 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: allergic to something, but I never know what. 568 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, that. 569 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: Would have been pretty cool if this test actually works. 570 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: But it just sounded too good to be true, so 571 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: I had to look. And basically, when you're understanding what 572 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: a food intolerance is, you need to break it down. 573 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: So there are actually three different terms that are commonly 574 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: used for adverse reactions to food. The first is a 575 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: food allergy. Now these are really serious ones. For example, 576 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: my boyfriend has a trina allergy and we always get 577 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: it confused, but he can't eat honey and he can't 578 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: eat tree nuts. Funny enough, that doesn't include peanuts. So 579 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: that sort of allergy can induce an anaphylactic shock, can 580 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: also induce vomiting, and you know, inability to breathe, all 581 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: of those sorts of things. That's a really serious one. 582 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: So that's not what Tylier Scanes was referring to. There's 583 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: also food insensitivity, and that's one that actually affects the 584 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: immune system. So that's something a bit like celiac disease, 585 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: and then there's food intolerance, so that's the one that 586 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: she is referring too, but funnily enough, the lower scale one. 587 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 588 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: So it's a lower scale one, and apparently between fifteen 589 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: to twenty percent of people actually have a food intolerance 590 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: and it can be so it's more that she's not 591 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: actually allergic to it, her body just doesn't respond well 592 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, so there's no the immune system isn't 593 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: involved in it at all. Examples of foods that can 594 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: cause food intolerances are fermentable carbs, milk, so lactose intolerance, legumes, 595 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: and certain vegetables, fruits, grains, and sweetness. So basically, like 596 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: it's just those things can upset a lot of people's tummies. 597 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: So let's get this straight. So fruit is blowsing her 598 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: like it bloats a lot of people because it got 599 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: a lot of fiber in it, earth shattering and how 600 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: much they do you know how much they charge for 601 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: one of these tests. Yeah, so it's a couple of 602 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: huns dollars that they're charging for the test. So basically, 603 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: it's just common digestive symptoms that these people are suffering. 604 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: Some so bloating, excessive gas, which no one talks about 605 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: on Instagram, gart pain, diarrhea, and constipation. I think what 606 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: people just have to be aware is that they can't 607 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: eat all of these things in huge amounts. A lot 608 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: of these influences are clearly trying to lose weight by 609 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: just eating so much fruit that of course that's going 610 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,959 Speaker 1: to blow you exactly, and sometimes you're going to get bloated. 611 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: That's just what happens to your body when you eat. 612 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: It's really interesting though, because finding out what you're allergic 613 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: to is one of the most difficult things. I've been 614 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: through tests before to find out what I'm allergic to, 615 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: and it takes months and months of taking different foods 616 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: out of your diet to actually find out if you 617 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: are allergic to it. You're exactly right, Sophie so CBC 618 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: television show Marketplace did a really interesting deconstruction of this 619 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: sort of food testing. So it's quite technical, but basically 620 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: it's a test for ngobulin, which I've probably completely butchered, 621 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: which stands for IgG. Now. IgG antibodies signify exposure to products, 622 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: not an allergy, so basically the test reveals what you 623 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: ate recently, and there is actually no correlation between the 624 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: test and your ability to eat the food without distress. 625 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: In fact, some research suggests the tests may actually be 626 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: a marker for food tolerances, not intolerances. So that made 627 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: complete sense because Talia was going on about the fact 628 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: that these all her favorite foods that she loves eating. 629 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: That is fascinating, and it's quite disturbing that a lot 630 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: of influencers are coming out spooking this test because I'm 631 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: assuming that maybe they're not being paid, but maybe they're 632 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: being approached by these companies and saying, hey, do you 633 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: want to try this out? Because a lot of people 634 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: do complain about bloating. It's just something that happens to you. 635 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: I think that people don't act as if it's a 636 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: normal thing, but it is normal. But then they're getting 637 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: this test and finding out this shocking information. So being bloggers, 638 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: they're posting about, oh my god, I'm actually allergic to 639 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: blueberries or whatever, and then more people are doing this test. 640 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: I saw Lily Brown's video and she had gone out 641 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: and bought a whole load of new food. Just like 642 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: I can't eat eggs, I can't eat this, so I've 643 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: bought all this food and I was thinking I wonder 644 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: if this company owns some of these health food products. 645 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: Even I know that sounds ridiculous, it's just so damaging 646 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: and negligent for them to be spreading this message because 647 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: a lot of those things that Talia Scaine's listed, for example, 648 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: a major food groups that you need to survive, and 649 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: it also delays effective therapy and treatment if you actually 650 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: do have something wrong with you. So if anyone out 651 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: there that does think they might have a food in tolerance, 652 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: just some advice, don't waste four hundred dollars on doing 653 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: one of these ridiculous tests, because you're probably actually finding 654 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: out what food you're actually tolerant to instead. It's a 655 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: good idea, Sophi touched on it. But the best way 656 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: is to actually follow an elimination diet followed by something 657 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: they call an oral challenge, which is eating the food 658 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: once you've eliminated it from your diet. So yeah, make 659 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: sure you do that, and please don't do any of 660 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: these stupid tests. 661 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 2: Basically, just go and visit, adopt it. 662 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,719 Speaker 1: And that's what we've got time for. Thank you so 663 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: much for joining us. We'd love you to jump on 664 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: our social media channels and get involved in the Conversation. 665 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: So we're on Facebook, Outspoken, Underscore, The Underscore, the podcast, 666 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: and also under the same name on Instagram. 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