Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast last week Their Life. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to TV Reload. I want to thank you for clicking
Speaker 1: and downloading on today's episode with Rachel Griffiths. I know
Speaker 1: one of Australia's finest actors who is about to feature
Speaker 1: in the scripted drama series Madam on Channel nine as
Speaker 1: the protagonist but also as the producer. Rachel Griffiths, I'm
Speaker 1: going to say, is one of my all time favorite actors,
Speaker 1: not only in Australia but all around the world. And
Speaker 1: I can tell you that I have loved her so
Speaker 1: much that back in the day I used to mimic
Speaker 1: the way that she spoke and would watch interviews of
Speaker 1: her on YouTube over and over again. So you can
Speaker 1: imagine how much fun I had today chatting with her
Speaker 1: about this new series Madam. The story of Madam follows
Speaker 1: an American character, Mackenzie otherwise known as Mack, who lives
Speaker 1: a regular life in a small town of New Zealand
Speaker 1: with her husband, Rob and their two sons. When mack
Speaker 1: discovers that Rob has been seeing a sex worker, it
Speaker 1: comes as a confronting surprise, and rather than feel angry,
Speaker 1: which is quite surprising. Mack feels unexpectedly inspired, so with
Speaker 1: a wish and a prayer, she sets up her own
Speaker 1: ethical brothel. I know, it's kind of wild. It's like
Speaker 1: nothing that you've seen on TV before. Rachel Griffiths will
Speaker 1: unpack the reasons why she chose this project and the
Speaker 1: interesting learnings that came from telling a story about sex work.
Speaker 1: We will chat about her relationship with the other actors,
Speaker 1: including Danniel McCormack, who you will know as b Smith
Speaker 1: from Wentworth. I find out about Rachel's experience on set
Speaker 1: and how getting COVID nearly shut down production. You will
Speaker 1: get everything from some amazing insights into the character Ronda
Speaker 1: from Muriel's wedding, what she thinks about six feet under
Speaker 1: his finale all of these years later, and what Rachel
Speaker 1: thinks about the potential of a series two of Madam.
Speaker 1: There's actually a lot to unpack, and I'm telling you
Speaker 1: we will get some fabulous inside revelations. So guys, sit
Speaker 1: back and relax as we unpack the wonderful world of Madam,
Speaker 1: which launches February fourth at nine pm on Channel nine
Speaker 1: and nine. Now Hi, then Hi, Rachel, I was just
Speaker 1: talking to our friend at Channel nine about my mild
Speaker 1: obsession with you. So if I sound like I need
Speaker 1: a Valium halfway through this chat because I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit excited, I'll do it. Sorry the borders, Yeah, that's okay,
Speaker 1: this is a podcast. We're all coming with you.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm glad I didn't go in and put
Speaker 2: you on mute and a p.
Speaker 1: Well, it kind of might have been iconic. I end
Speaker 1: up in the Daily Mail.
Speaker 2: Had a pea. All right, I'm just sitting down there.
Speaker 2: I go really going around the block.
Speaker 1: This is kind of what I was infecting, though, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, this is the real
Speaker 1: Rachel Griffith. I'm here to do the LORRYHD. I've just
Speaker 1: been diagnosed with it. So look, I can tell you
Speaker 1: all about ADHD. It's like the price.
Speaker 2: No, I do have ADHD and I always have had.
Speaker 2: And hey, welcome to the neuros fivety club. Perpetual chaots.
Speaker 1: But don't you think that creatives It sort of works
Speaker 1: so well. Like I think about all the work that
Speaker 1: you have been able to achieve creatively, and I wonder
Speaker 1: whether or not you would have been able to do
Speaker 1: that if you didn't have the ADHD. It's kind of
Speaker 1: who you should think, you know, when you win your
Speaker 1: Oscar ADHD.
Speaker 2: Definitely, I did find a place where you don't really
Speaker 2: have to multitask. You go full focus and immersion and
Speaker 2: then go down any rabbit hole like I'm sudden an
Speaker 2: expert in skin rejuvenation for burn victims and you go
Speaker 2: down that rabbit hole and it's like suddenly, I'll be
Speaker 2: an expert in being a madam. So it is very
Speaker 2: very suitable for those ADHD rabbit holes that find themselves,
Speaker 2: you know, getting locked down those rabbit holes, and you
Speaker 2: can say I'm working done, and I'm not going I'm
Speaker 2: actually working.
Speaker 1: I'm hyper focusing. You know. It's funny. I was on
Speaker 1: Chapel Street once and you were You had someone pitching
Speaker 1: a TV show on the table next to me, like
Speaker 1: while I was having my lunch and I shouldn't have
Speaker 1: been listening, but it was very fascinating because they were
Speaker 1: approaching you about doing a story doing Telly Television back
Speaker 1: in Australigy. I think you'd been wrapping Brothers and Sisters
Speaker 1: around that time, and it was fascinating because I heard
Speaker 1: you say to the man you're not quite ready to
Speaker 1: go yet, but you've got a great idea. And I
Speaker 1: remember thinking you were so honest with this person about
Speaker 1: what he was approaching you for. And I realized today
Speaker 1: talking to you signing up for something like Madam, what
Speaker 1: was it about this project that made you go, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted. I want to hope a focus
Speaker 1: on that interesting.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, I definitely met where I was at
Speaker 2: in my life on kind of you know, for a
Speaker 2: lot of reasons, I've been offered a lot of Madams
Speaker 2: in my life, and the shows are usually creepy or pervy,
Speaker 2: or about the dark exploitation of women's bodies while smultaneously
Speaker 2: being pervy and creepy, if you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like it's even worse because you're making it dark and
Speaker 2: pretty and dirty, but you're also kind getting off on it.
Speaker 2: And one of my favorite roles I've played was a
Speaker 2: sex worker in A Honey's QURESHI adaptation of one of
Speaker 2: his novellas, I'm called my Son a Fanatic, and it
Speaker 2: was just such a beautiful human, not pervy, really really
Speaker 2: about something trying of movie and every single matter m
Speaker 2: I've been offered since it's just been pervy's and always
Speaker 2: men showrunners and really circumspect, you know, And I guess
Speaker 2: I grew up in a time when it was kind
Speaker 2: of okay to have a twelve year old Jodie Foster
Speaker 2: or a twelve year old Bookshield play child fastagues in
Speaker 2: movies that were actually just fucking pervy as far and
Speaker 2: would never be made now with particularly an underage actor
Speaker 2: in a role. And even then, why would you so
Speaker 2: when a movie and that, you know, when this came
Speaker 2: along and I heard the background of a true story
Speaker 2: like you know, kind of middle aged woman living in
Speaker 2: rural New Zealand with a with the pound difical disabilities
Speaker 2: buye with this new side hospital after realizing that sex
Speaker 2: wort's the criminalize that she can open a brothl and
Speaker 2: do it better than the skanky brothels that she's on
Speaker 2: to visit. It just kind of really run through on
Speaker 2: this kind of seminomics, effent i dot. This show actually
Speaker 2: gets into the really smart part and dried seminomic of
Speaker 2: when a woman, particularly a mother or any woman who's
Speaker 2: both independent and trying to sustain herself and or family,
Speaker 2: makes that decision like op at a job, how long,
Speaker 2: you know, how long does it take to get there?
Speaker 2: How long do I have to work for? And how
Speaker 2: much money does it pay. She's you know, in a
Speaker 2: place where it's an hour and a half to get
Speaker 2: to a nursing home, where she's on minimum wage and
Speaker 2: she can never do drop off and pick up or
Speaker 2: do use design a life for this? And that's you know,
Speaker 2: every job I get is how long, how far? How much?
Speaker 2: How long does it go for, how far from home
Speaker 2: is it because you just have to leave home to
Speaker 2: you know, to provide, and how much money? And that's
Speaker 2: equation and then it's kind of how good is it?
Speaker 2: So I really kind of loved the grounded nature of
Speaker 2: that decision making process and found it really universal to
Speaker 2: all women, especially with you know, cozy lives and everyone's
Speaker 2: on a hustle and how much it's for childcare, and
Speaker 2: it just kind of gave me a lot more respects
Speaker 2: for a decision making process. It's actually a really practical,
Speaker 2: kind of no brainer for a lot of women to
Speaker 2: do this. They've been mas sisters or they've been working
Speaker 2: in agekre and they're like, if I'm in agekre, I'm
Speaker 2: wiping answers. I'm wiping shit, I'm wiping kiss, I'm cleaning
Speaker 2: old people and dealing with crazy clients and this is
Speaker 2: how much money I make or I'm kind of doing
Speaker 2: and I'm being caring and you know, making them feel
Speaker 2: good and they go, well, I could just see that
Speaker 2: six hours a week and actually have a much less
Speaker 2: stressful life and just just rewarding. Like many of the
Speaker 2: that I spoke to, you know, one girl said, we
Speaker 2: don't solve sex, we treat loneliness. And I thought that
Speaker 2: was so interesting.
Speaker 1: It's kind of poetic here. I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: this show really works when it's because of the dynamics
Speaker 1: amongst these women. And they are unusual women, they're different
Speaker 1: in character. So when you see them come together to
Speaker 1: solve something maybe as ridiculous as putting a boombox up your.
Speaker 2: Bum bar, up the up the.
Speaker 1: Bar, that's when the story really sings, because watching these
Speaker 1: women come together and solve problems together is really powerful
Speaker 1: and really funny and interesting and not slutty whatever that
Speaker 1: word is, you know, not schmalming.
Speaker 2: No, we've really taken this lot out of the sex worker.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's women are working hard, providing a really
Speaker 2: satisfying service. And I think we do get a good
Speaker 2: cross section of the type of people that the women
Speaker 2: I spoke to. You know, there's one girl I spoke
Speaker 2: to them like her top three clients are widow is
Speaker 2: in their late sixties seventies, and they just actually really
Speaker 2: really missed being kind of touched and hold and you know,
Speaker 2: and looked at and told they're awesome and hot. And
Speaker 2: I think when you go into the date your dating
Speaker 2: market in the seventies, you know, it's really hard and
Speaker 2: hard to get to that point where you just kind
Speaker 2: of want your hair strokes or the three hairs left
Speaker 2: on your head stroke and just have a young girl say,
Speaker 2: how are you done? It's so good to see you,
Speaker 2: and it just makes them feel good. And I spoke
Speaker 2: to women, you know, some of their clients had physical disabilities,
Speaker 2: some were you know, men in much larger bodies that also,
Speaker 2: you know, found this threshold of finding intimacy, you know,
Speaker 2: the normal way a bit more challenging, and just found
Speaker 2: the kind of generosity of going to the sex worker
Speaker 2: to see you know, just a lot a lot less
Speaker 2: other mind field than negotiating that in other ways. So
Speaker 2: that was like a really really interesting.
Speaker 1: I loved my Life as Murder and I thought that
Speaker 1: Shashana had done such an amazing job with that story.
Speaker 1: Was working alongside the creative team behind that sort of
Speaker 1: giving you the confidence to dive into this world, that
Speaker 1: you could dive into this world in a way that
Speaker 1: may be sort of similar to My life as Murder.
Speaker 2: Parry McNaughty and Shoshana definitely, you know, they really wanted
Speaker 2: this to be seen by women in the industry and
Speaker 2: not go oh my god, like how many times And
Speaker 2: they all said the same thing. Whenever we see it
Speaker 2: represented as a joke. You know, it's disrespectful. It's not
Speaker 2: like it is. They just don't get it. And I think,
Speaker 2: having you know, a queer and a female showrunner too,
Speaker 2: it's that thing that you know when when we talk
Speaker 2: about sex, we're always laughing, like it's really funny. And
Speaker 2: when we have sex, you know that when we see
Speaker 2: two dogs at the past, you know, we're like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, you know you're well, you're right, Well, I
Speaker 2: think two dogs were at the puck ands or two
Speaker 2: humans fucking in the park that did the same thing,
Speaker 2: like oh god, put it away, Oh my god, and
Speaker 2: the dogs start fucking laughing at the two people, you know,
Speaker 2: dogging it in the park. They're probably like, oh please,
Speaker 2: please come on, oh my god, and be laughing. But
Speaker 2: so often when we see sex portrade, I think because
Speaker 2: we're trying to get the audience's rocks off a little bit.
Speaker 2: So there's that erotic and it's always hot, traditionally hot people,
Speaker 2: not with a kind of inclusive body positive you know,
Speaker 2: lens over it all. So I think that they were
Speaker 2: both really rarely committed to the representation stuff. And then
Speaker 2: I think what I brought was just the menopause of it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this chick is in perimenopause. She's fucking had
Speaker 2: a gut pull. She's up to here, she's third yum
Speaker 2: a testop thrown and it does two things. That makes
Speaker 2: her cranky, gives her a rage and gives her the
Speaker 2: energy to maybe have one more push of changing her
Speaker 2: life to make it look like what she dream to
Speaker 2: de beate. And she's a really educated woman. If you
Speaker 2: have told that girl had just graduated from Berkeley, that
Speaker 2: she'd be stuck in New Zealand with her husband, the
Speaker 2: not necessarily pulling its ways, and she's got the mental
Speaker 2: load and she's tired of it, and she's not a
Speaker 2: famous author, probably doesn't even have a publisher, and life
Speaker 2: just has not been full of the promise that this bright, young,
Speaker 2: probably ADHD girl you know, was promised or told she
Speaker 2: could have because she was smart and she's beautiful and
Speaker 2: adventurous and spirited, but life had kind of other plans
Speaker 2: to her. And you know, I don't know a family
Speaker 2: with a child with special needs who isn't driving a
Speaker 2: twenty five year old car and really really struggling to
Speaker 2: have enough leftover after the you know, all the things
Speaker 2: that are required to kind of have the joint sparkling
Speaker 2: life joined sparkle as the last family holidays, because so
Speaker 2: that can be very difficult. And it's just she's lost
Speaker 2: in drudgery. So she's got this idea of this business
Speaker 2: that might you know, be good for her family and
Speaker 2: give her something make her days a bit more unpredictable
Speaker 2: and fun and surprising, and you know, also give her
Speaker 2: a workplace of really quirky, passionate women instead of being
Speaker 2: alone and half bound.
Speaker 1: You really want her to succeed, mac like as in
Speaker 1: you just she's very relatable in lots of ways. I mean,
Speaker 1: my favorite scene of the whole thing was when one
Speaker 1: of the clients turns up and none of the other
Speaker 1: women are there, and he says, come on, can you
Speaker 1: just give me a hand job? And she goes no,
Speaker 1: And you kind of did that Rachel Griffith thing where
Speaker 1: you did that look into the sky as if to think,
Speaker 1: why the fuck did that man just ask me that
Speaker 1: and just kept walking.
Speaker 2: Five second season, she'd probably go, all right, come on,
Speaker 2: but I'm on Madam, so it's double I think by then,
Speaker 2: I think those boundaries might break down a little bit.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm up to episode five and I'm Daniel McCormack,
Speaker 1: who is just so brilliant. I was obsessed with her.
Speaker 1: Isn't she great in this as well? Like there's some
Speaker 1: you know, she's very different from be that we saw
Speaker 1: and went worth texis.
Speaker 2: Fuck. Her body is like rock and so the thing
Speaker 2: you want and I know this because I'm normally in
Speaker 2: the supporting actor role, I know what you need to
Speaker 2: bring to your lead actor is really you need an
Speaker 2: a game person to grow bombs in the path to
Speaker 2: your happiness, and the bomb have to land and they've
Speaker 2: got to hurt, and you know that's kind of what
Speaker 2: I think for deb on total control, and the better
Speaker 2: the actor is in that supporting role, the more kind
Speaker 2: of grateful the lead us, because thank you giving me
Speaker 2: some like real shit to deal with. And Mac is
Speaker 2: not really an alpha girl. She's a kind of girl
Speaker 2: with some ideas and she's probably really out of a
Speaker 2: debt even running a business. So when an actual apex
Speaker 2: predator alpha girl comes in, like terrified. Fuck. These are
Speaker 2: the girls that I didn't manage at school. These are
Speaker 2: the kind of women in the mothers club that fucking
Speaker 2: judge me, that terrify me, that I've never said the
Speaker 2: right thing, to have never got the upper hand on.
Speaker 2: And then I'm dealing with Daniel McCormack just growing shit
Speaker 2: in my bed.
Speaker 1: I just think she's so fantastic and the contrast of
Speaker 1: your two characters is just delicious. I'm up to episode five,
Speaker 1: so I can't wait to see I feel like she's
Speaker 1: coming into the series a little bit more so I'm
Speaker 1: looking for to that. I want anyone listening to this
Speaker 1: podcast right now to really go into this show with
Speaker 1: an open mind, because it is something we haven't really
Speaker 1: seen before, and it is really delicious, and I think
Speaker 1: you've got to sit down with your partners and watch it,
Speaker 1: because it makes you want to have a conversation about
Speaker 1: sex in a different way, and it makes you want
Speaker 1: to talk about I don't know your body in a
Speaker 1: different way. Something quite amazing about what this show does
Speaker 1: to the viewer.
Speaker 2: I think that's right. Look, I think we have folks
Speaker 2: and women will go coosely bred ignite it, and I
Speaker 2: think the straight men will be on the touch, going, well,
Speaker 2: you actually just couldn't think about sex that way when
Speaker 2: we're not around. Is that what it's like when we're
Speaker 2: not there? Yeah, you know the girl on the couch
Speaker 2: be like, oh no, darling, No, no, this is very no,
Speaker 2: this must be this. Me and the girls would never
Speaker 2: talk about our partners lie. But it is that just honey, Like,
Speaker 2: I think we see the funny and the absurd inness
Speaker 2: that I think men might you know, straight men I
Speaker 2: think might find a little wee bit shocking.
Speaker 1: It's a peek into a world that they don't necessarily understand.
Speaker 1: Like I was watching even the detail of you sitting
Speaker 1: around a table full of cheesels and all this food,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking about how straight men would even
Speaker 1: not even think that women would be eating that kind
Speaker 1: of food. Like, I know that that sounds like a
Speaker 1: strange thing to say, but yeah, they don't see if.
Speaker 2: They go to the bathroom and eat cheesel yes, they're
Speaker 2: like what, no on the fantasy for them?
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's exactly right. And I think that that's
Speaker 1: why I'm saying that partners should sit down and watch it,
Speaker 1: because I think men sitting there with their wives are
Speaker 1: going to look at it very differently. And it's and
Speaker 1: that's what TV, that's what contents should do, is make
Speaker 1: us think and make us have conversation.
Speaker 2: You know, well, I think the long term can the
Speaker 2: long form televisions and really, you know, it's just got
Speaker 2: the time to go off his and often it's when
Speaker 2: you're not just hitting the story, be hit in the
Speaker 2: slot beats where I think those really funny moments are
Speaker 2: in the unexpected moments where the plot can just go
Speaker 2: into a little rabbit hole of whatever. And I think
Speaker 2: they're the kind of the least or eggs, the joy
Speaker 2: bombs of the show.
Speaker 1: I love that the way in which you approach characters
Speaker 1: and the way that you explore your themes feel so real,
Speaker 1: and we're seeing more of that. I think in this
Speaker 1: day and age, but you've been doing that for so long.
Speaker 1: Like Ronda and Muriel's Wedding, you gave that person so
Speaker 1: much reality that most of Australia thinks of Ronda as
Speaker 1: a real person. You know, what is she doing now?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like that's the magic of
Speaker 1: you and your commitment to the art. I guess look,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I just got really lucky that I came into the industry.
Speaker 2: And even that was late. I think I was twenty
Speaker 2: four twenty five maybe when I made Mereel's Wedding, and
Speaker 2: literally up until that time, every single script, you know,
Speaker 2: every audition I didn't get and it was still the
Speaker 2: you know, she's beautiful but accessible, but you know it
Speaker 2: was luminous and there was not a whole lot of
Speaker 2: rooms for quirky girls. There was a bit of room
Speaker 2: for the quirky men, I think in Australian cinema, but
Speaker 2: not so much the girls. You know, like I remember
Speaker 2: loving this side character Snowing Gallipoly, you know those kind
Speaker 2: of there's always these quirky, funny men and even Ben Mendelssohn,
Speaker 2: you know, you could you had your kind of leading men,
Speaker 2: but you had these more character women, but we just
Speaker 2: kind of didn't really have a history of our female characters,
Speaker 2: you know, and very white and very same same and
Speaker 2: very kind of, you know, middle class, and I just
Speaker 2: didn't really think that role. I would find roles on
Speaker 2: television particilarly, which was still very much network and there
Speaker 2: was a networked type of beauty and a network like essibility.
Speaker 2: And the girls that did well had that audience love them,
Speaker 2: you know, and they were beautiful, but they were also
Speaker 2: not intimidating kind of beauty, and I'm like, well, I'm
Speaker 2: not that, So that was fine. I thought, I'll do Shakespeare,
Speaker 2: I'll do I'll do the Cannon, I'll do modern Australian
Speaker 2: plays and international plays. And then Muriels came along, and
Speaker 2: that was the first time I thought I ever recognized
Speaker 2: a character I knew, you know, in a urban, smart,
Speaker 2: not neurotic, kind of can do fun girl who's also
Speaker 2: you know, total wing wing man girl, you know, pick
Speaker 2: you up when you down, take you out, and give
Speaker 2: you a good time when you're brooding, laugh about shit
Speaker 2: that happened instead of stewing on it. And they're you know,
Speaker 2: I had girls like that in my circle. In fact,
Speaker 2: one of the mine very much based under on who's Italian.
Speaker 2: And some people do occasionally ask me if Ronda was
Speaker 2: Greek or Italian because there is this kind of like, really,
Speaker 2: you know, there's just this like oldie vibe that is
Speaker 2: a that kind of migrant, take no prisoners, work hard,
Speaker 2: play hard kind of girl.
Speaker 1: Well, I went to donas Hi, and I think all
Speaker 1: the girls that I went to school with were Ronda
Speaker 1: lake Is in Donnie.
Speaker 2: High, the laugh of autpectation, right, and I kind of
Speaker 2: show up sturdy, fucking reliable girl that's got your back
Speaker 2: and isn't a bit Yeah, and growing up to me,
Speaker 2: they were also the Italian freak. But yeah, occasionally they're like,
Speaker 2: can I just ask you a weird question? Is Ronda
Speaker 2: freak or with Ronder Italian? And I'm like, actually, it
Speaker 2: was bad and they're like, oh, makes sense. I always
Speaker 2: I always thought that. And then to kind of be
Speaker 2: in such a juggernaut film in that kind of iconic
Speaker 2: redefining young women and how they behave and how they
Speaker 2: dress and what they look like, and a girl that's
Speaker 2: driven by charisma rather than kind of beauty positiveting charisma,
Speaker 2: and I think that, you know, was a real game changer,
Speaker 2: and they were definitely you know, someone Louise was happening.
Speaker 2: You know, they're both got dead women. So I think
Speaker 2: that just opened up a few things that it wasn't
Speaker 2: really until I got Six Feet Under. I think that
Speaker 2: I got the next incarnation of that, and that was
Speaker 2: like a good five years after, and I played a
Speaker 2: lot of amazing roles like Philerine, Hillary and Jackie, but
Speaker 2: they weren't quite that re defining feminine archetypes in cinema.
Speaker 2: And you know, Six Feet Under redefined the mother archetype
Speaker 2: in the American you know screen, and it redefined the
Speaker 2: daughter and a girlfriend. Now were the three leads femi oles,
Speaker 2: and he knew their archetypes because he's a kind of
Speaker 2: Southern Gothic writer, you know, and they're all in the
Speaker 2: Cat from the Hot Tin Roofs. They're all in those
Speaker 2: Southern Gothic novels and plays, and he is bringing that
Speaker 2: redefinition of the all American mother, you know, all American daughter,
Speaker 2: and also the done the oldest son who's openly gay,
Speaker 2: and the other one who's a bit of a shit show.
Speaker 2: So that kind of just went so far to crack
Speaker 2: open the possibility of female representation on American television from
Speaker 2: a white, middle class point of view, and of course
Speaker 2: there was a lot, you know, a lot of work
Speaker 2: to be done breaking breaking down stereotypes for women in color,
Speaker 2: and America's just waking up to the fascinations represent now
Speaker 2: as Australia's been really at the bank guard internationally for
Speaker 2: quite long time, and it really is a found an
Speaker 2: amazing way.
Speaker 1: I have watched Six Been Under by the Way so
Speaker 1: many times, and I know that this sounds like maybe
Speaker 1: a sick thing to reveal, but I've rewatched the last
Speaker 1: five minutes of that show so many times after a
Speaker 1: few red Wines on a Friday or Saturday night, because
Speaker 1: it's so compelling, like that last five minutes of six
Speaker 1: Been Under It.
Speaker 2: I think it's the best five minutes of television ever ever.
Speaker 2: And I think it's one of those that's how you
Speaker 2: finish the show because it's afterly right to the DNA
Speaker 2: of the show, but it's also so human human.
Speaker 1: I've got goosebumps you're talking about it because it's so true, like.
Speaker 2: People were bawling, and then you know, the Sopranos finished
Speaker 2: after us and everyone I'm sure that writer's room was
Speaker 2: like and everyone's like yeah, and everyone's like, what are
Speaker 2: we going to do? And everyone's like, I don't know where.
Speaker 1: Fuck people hold it up now they must finish writing series.
Speaker 1: When they find out you're on your last series, we've
Speaker 1: got it tied up. They must hold that up as
Speaker 1: a test you know, test case or whatever. They must go.
Speaker 1: That's the benchmark that's been set. You know, how do you've.
Speaker 2: Absolutely because it didn't leave the shark delivered. It delivered
Speaker 2: the shark in the way that was always swimming, because
Speaker 2: death was always the predator in the show. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: it just delivered it in this extraordinary, extraordinary way. It
Speaker 2: was breathtaking. And then see the song that no one
Speaker 2: had ever heard.
Speaker 1: Never heard of it. Yeah, but it became iconic. And
Speaker 1: see a really overnight, overnight iconic. Like honestly, you can't
Speaker 1: hear that. I can't hear that song without seeing it
Speaker 1: like in real time, Like you know, it's a song
Speaker 1: that you can play while you're driving your car and
Speaker 1: you just think of that final scene with a car driving.
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's just something about the progression of
Speaker 1: life and and I don't know, it's very we could
Speaker 1: literally podcast that.
Speaker 2: I've been bought to death by my brother.
Speaker 1: It was always going to happen. Yeah, of course, always happen.
Speaker 1: It's always going to happen. It was the most well
Speaker 1: written piece of television anyway. Well, before you go, just
Speaker 1: one last thing. I have to finish the podcast with
Speaker 1: I finish every time. What is something behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: something that the audience won't see, but kind of a
Speaker 1: behind the scene secret about your involvement with this show.
Speaker 2: Madam God. Okay, so funny story. First day shooting, we
Speaker 2: are in a brothel and we are shooting the scene
Speaker 2: where I go to the brothel to watch basically go
Speaker 2: what is this brothel business? And can I do it better?
Speaker 2: And it's hilarious. It's the first time we meet Danniel mccormax.
Speaker 2: She's got her sick, very fluffy, oversize cat in the rooms.
Speaker 2: It is the smallest room ever. We have a semi
Speaker 2: naked John, an intimacy coordinator, a dop, a sound side,
Speaker 2: three actors on a room that's fairly bigger than a
Speaker 2: cat in a real brothel that can I tell you,
Speaker 2: has no windows. And I just started to not feel great,
Speaker 2: like it's a bit funny. At lunch my make my
Speaker 2: makeup artist is like, it seems gone really weird, and
Speaker 2: she said, I don't know what's wrong, Like it's just
Speaker 2: something that's like it's a makeup st sitting properly or
Speaker 2: put more flush on, and she goes, I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have to do the eye.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I got home and I really really really don't
Speaker 2: feel well. I wake up at midnight and I'm like
Speaker 2: by that stage, I'm like, I really don't feel well.
Speaker 2: And I thought I'll do a COVID test. I'm fucking
Speaker 2: I have OVID, and so the direct so the director
Speaker 2: was in this room. So there's three actors, a cat.
Speaker 2: Probably the cat is still alive, no cats for her
Speaker 2: making this pou Anyway, I called them and they stood
Speaker 2: everybody down because they just assumed that everybody and were
Speaker 2: in a strombot eight hours is doing the sex thing,
Speaker 2: which I am maybe thirty centimeters from Daddy's face, breathing
Speaker 2: and talking to her while she's on a while she's Anyway,
Speaker 2: they stood everybody down because they assumed it would be ripe.
Speaker 2: Then they gave everybody they took proper blood. Then they
Speaker 2: put everybody back on in marks that used the swing
Speaker 2: dop anyway, nobody, nobody got COVID from that brothels and everybody.
Speaker 2: Everybody was saying, it's a fucking miracle.
Speaker 1: It is a fucking miracle. I'm surprised. I thought the
Speaker 1: story was going to end with and we went a lot.
Speaker 1: We're not allowed to go back to set for six
Speaker 1: weeks because everyone had COVID and they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what.
Speaker 2: Happened in some of these actions, and we had no insurance.
Speaker 2: It was an out foot shot show. Anyway, we were
Speaker 2: all the same. It was a fucking miracle and it's Ironman.
Speaker 1: Wow, people to watch Rachel. I can't wait for people
Speaker 1: to watch this show. It is so much fun. I
Speaker 1: want to thank you so much for your generosity with
Speaker 1: your time. This has actually thanks being the best half
Speaker 1: an hour of twenty twenty five. I can tell you
Speaker 1: that right now. Loved it. Loved it. I'm going to
Speaker 1: go and have a scream in the lound term hie
Speaker 1: by now