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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's.

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Speaker 2: Rene elw Hey the film.

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Speaker 3: There's so much I want to talk to you about.

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Speaker 3: The film. We see her in her early days, where

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Speaker 3: pills to wake up, pills to sleep, pills to stop

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Speaker 3: her eating. Do you think that her life trajectory was inevitable?

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Speaker 3: Could she have ended with a different ending? Or was

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Speaker 3: she was that set in stone?

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Speaker 1: It's hard to say, isn't it. Depending on the influences

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Speaker 1: that she might have I don't know, encountered throughout her life,

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Speaker 1: she moved forward. I don't know. That's so hard to say,

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Speaker 1: but it is. It is. It's pretty difficult to imagine

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Speaker 1: that it wouldn't have set her on a particular path,

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Speaker 1: isn't it.

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Speaker 2: We learned so much about it. I didn't realize she

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Speaker 2: was only forty seven when she died. She was like

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Speaker 2: in the seventies or something. And now when I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I'm fifty one, you think, oh my god. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: I know you're you're older than what Judy was. Did

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Speaker 2: you feel like sort of, you know, it was a

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Speaker 2: different time back then, in the sixties, forty seven was

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Speaker 2: a lot older than what it is now.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think Rupert Girl, who's the director of the film.

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Speaker 1: He's also a director of a theater in London, and

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Speaker 1: he's had a lot of relationships with singers over his life,

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Speaker 1: and he really was interested in focusing on the cost

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Speaker 1: of performance and what you know, what what it The

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Speaker 1: told that it takes on a person, not just in

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Speaker 1: terms of you know, physical the cause of it, in

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Speaker 1: terms of, you know, the abuse that your instrument takes

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Speaker 1: if you don't have the moment to care for yourself properly,

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Speaker 1: but also emotionally being away from your family and keeping

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Speaker 1: a schedule and all the things that make normalcy very

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Speaker 1: difficult to sort of achieve.

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Speaker 3: I could see it from all sides. There's there's Judy,

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Speaker 3: who has been exploited almost like a circus animal much

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Speaker 3: of her life. But here's this these characters who are

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Speaker 3: who need her to perform. Well, there's a whole lot

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Speaker 3: of people waiting to see Judy perform. You can see

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Speaker 3: them going, come on, just get your act together. It

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Speaker 3: must have been frustrating to work with her, but so

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Speaker 3: hard to be her. You could see it from both sides.

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Speaker 3: Did you feel that did you have sympathy for the

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Speaker 3: people working with Judy as well?

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Speaker 1: Well? Certainly to some degree, because it's difficult to have

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Speaker 1: to have the responsibility of making things work when there

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Speaker 1: are things that are beyond your control, obviously, But I

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Speaker 1: think what I love about this film and this project

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Speaker 1: was that it contextualizes the circumstances. When you read about

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Speaker 1: what was written about her toward the end of her life,

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Speaker 1: it was unkind often and without empathy, and I think

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Speaker 1: to better understand that some of the challenges that she

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Speaker 1: grapples with for a lifetime were not a result of

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Speaker 1: things that were of her own choosing, you know, and

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Speaker 1: to come to better understand that and to see what

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Speaker 1: it was that she had to overcome in order to

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Speaker 1: continue to perform, it really sets her apart and it

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Speaker 1: enables you to look at that idea of her as

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Speaker 1: a person through a different prism, with maybe more understanding

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Speaker 1: and empathy.

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Speaker 3: And the fact that the film really touches on too,

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Speaker 3: is that there are lots of people who can sing

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Speaker 3: and can dance. But that beautiful phrase in it that

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Speaker 3: she bypasses your ears and goes straight to your heart. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: there was something one of a kind about her, I agree,

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Speaker 3: And you captured that so well. What did you have

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Speaker 3: to do in the morning to become Judy.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, you know, I had twenty people's jobs on

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Speaker 1: my person at all times, so that's helpful team effort.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I just I listened to her. I go to sleep

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Speaker 1: watching things about her and listening to her and listen

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Speaker 1: to her voice all day. And you know, there's the

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Speaker 1: transformation that happens with the help of a big team

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Speaker 1: that puts it on and I just I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was so interesting because it felt like

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Speaker 1: her archive, the legacy of her work, was so alive

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Speaker 1: on that set because the conversation was ongoing every day

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Speaker 1: with this expression of affection. Everybody was motivated by their

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Speaker 1: love for her, appreciation for her work, or a connection

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Speaker 1: to her movies or her songs are just her influence,

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Speaker 1: and you could feel that it was palpable and trading

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Speaker 1: stories every day. I mean, it just felt like it

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Speaker 1: was a live her essence was alive around us all

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Speaker 1: the time.

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Speaker 2: That nose must have been hard in the kissing scene.

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Speaker 3: It was that not your nose.

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Speaker 1: No, that's just I don't really talk about it because

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Speaker 1: you know, if you didn't see it, I don't want to, right,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, no, no, it's all right. Because they

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Speaker 1: did such a good job with it. I thought, really

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Speaker 1: good job with it, But I didn't know that they

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Speaker 1: take it on a life of their own halfway through

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Speaker 1: the day. Ideal. Yeah, I would doubt it. I would

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Speaker 1: doubt it was taking a walk while we were filming.

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Speaker 1: It would have gotten here by now.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was very opinionated.

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Speaker 2: We love you in this movie. I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: say Oscar buzz, but it just it's so great and

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Speaker 2: it's so great to see you as well. So you're

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Speaker 2: not the mass singer, so you possibly.

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Speaker 3: Have established that what a singer.

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Speaker 1: Was.

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Speaker 3: There just was there a moment every day where you go,

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Speaker 3: I've got I feel her in my face. I can

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Speaker 3: hear in my head where you go. Now I'm Judy.

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Speaker 3: Did you here's like a sweet spot on a tennis racket.

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Speaker 1: No, that didn't. It never happened because I never start

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Speaker 1: being greedy, you know, I just I felt it all around.

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Speaker 1: But we all did, you know? It was just sort

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Speaker 1: of tapping into this this thing, this this experience, the

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Speaker 1: experience of living inside that. I don't know the legacy

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Speaker 1: are for work, really, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, it leapt off the screen, but we just saw it.

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Speaker 2: We loved it absolutely. I'm going to go and see

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Speaker 2: it again and pay for it.

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Speaker 3: That's the first time.

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Speaker 1: No, it's the best thing.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing was just celebration of her and of

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Speaker 1: her importance. And I love that you're joining in, you know,

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Speaker 1: and that we're talking about her today, fifty years later.

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Speaker 2: Your style.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Jonesy and Amanda's donation