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Speaker 1: But earlier this week, the Northern Territory government unveiled its

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Speaker 1: ten year plan for recreational fishing that focuses on sustainability

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Speaker 1: and inclusivity with key actions for the future. So with

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Speaker 1: more than sixty thousand territorians and tens and tens and

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Speaker 1: the major stakeholders of the plan is of course AFANT

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Speaker 1: and joining us in the studio to tell us a

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Speaker 1: little bit more is afan's CEO, David Chirravolo. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Mat great to have you in the in the studio.

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Speaker 1: Now tell us what did this plan? Well, firstly, why

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Speaker 1: is this one needed? Do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: Well, as you mentioned, recreational fishing is important to so

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Speaker 3: many territories and that goes without saying. We also know

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Speaker 3: territory every year to go fishing, and it's you know,

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Speaker 3: big bucks I'm not going to repeat the figures you

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Speaker 3: people's livelihoods depend on recreational fishing. So when you think

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Speaker 3: about that, it's really important that we do have a

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Speaker 3: there are a number of challenges facing our sector, but

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Speaker 3: set out a vision of how to get there and

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Speaker 2: And it's far too important for that, it really is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, fishing is a way of life for Territorians

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Speaker 1: in so many ways, isn't it something I remember you

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Speaker 1: we spoke about these very numbers. You know, what it

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Speaker 1: actually means to the economy, and what it means in

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Speaker 3: Well, it certainly fed into the plan, so we guess

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Speaker 3: great to have those figures and to have contemporary figures.

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Speaker 3: But this has been an eighteen month plus process, a

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Speaker 3: their leadership and their reckfishing team, working with AFANT, the

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Speaker 3: But the best part about this plan is we actually

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Speaker 3: were able to incorporate the voices of hundreds of individual

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Speaker 3: was great to get their voices at the beginning, in

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Speaker 1: So David, what are some of the outcomes and what

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Speaker 1: is it going to mean for people out there listening?

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Speaker 1: They love to go out fishing on the weekends, and

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I would certainly say there's four major areas

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Speaker 3: goes without saying that people are very much interested in access,

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Speaker 2: We also know that there's a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Work to continue to be done to improve recreational fishing

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Speaker 1: And so I mean, as part of this plan, is

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Speaker 2: Where would that be. Well, there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: And so that's really what you'd like to see another

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Speaker 3: I think that's absolutely critical. We're seeing land based fishing

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Speaker 3: so we need to see work being done there. But

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Speaker 1: Dave I reckon. People are going to be listening thinking,

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Speaker 1: hang on, who's going to pay.

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Speaker 2: For all this?

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I think it's really important to recognize that

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Speaker 3: and all of that is bringing money into the territory

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Speaker 3: reasonable for them to be as sizable and ongoing commitment

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Speaker 1: Questions just come through from one of our listeners. Can

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Speaker 1: you please ask David if this plan will go ahead

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Speaker 1: if the government changes.

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Speaker 2: Well, look it certainly, it certainly should do.

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Speaker 3: As always, we seek to build bipartisan support for these

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Speaker 1: Someone else is just message through in us. Can we

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Speaker 1: money could have been spent elsewhere. You can only use

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Speaker 1: Just with the plan that the Northern Territory government's obviously

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Speaker 3: However, there is a remaining outstanding number of millions of

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Speaker 3: So that's the first part, and then the other parties

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Speaker 1: Now since you and I last spoke, there has obviously

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Speaker 3: of things, commercial stuff, but also like the Barramundy fishery

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Speaker 3: for example, or the Coastal Line fishery. She's the minister

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Speaker 3: empowered under the Act. Minister Bowden, who also has the

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Speaker 3: Tourism Ministry and the Infrastructure Ministry, will be in charge

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Speaker 3: of recreational fishing development and the initiatives that are required

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Speaker 3: to support recreational fishing in the territory. So we see

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Speaker 3: that alignment of ministries as being a real potential positive.

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Speaker 3: So we really hope to leverage those synergies there and

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Speaker 3: we are obviously very early days of engaging with both

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Speaker 3: It's really important to note though red fishing development's very

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Speaker 3: very important, but management for abundant fish stocks and I'm

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Speaker 3: very much thinking about the Barramundy fishery here is also

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Speaker 1: Do you think that change in minister is going to

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Speaker 2: Access, look I'm not sure that that's the case.

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Speaker 3: One thing I would say is that this plan, for example,

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Speaker 3: with something we've worked on for a long time and

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Speaker 3: as far as I understood, had really reached its conclusion

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Speaker 3: them to do that. I've had a number of meetings

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Speaker 3: a number of meetings next week. They're encouraging signs, but

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Speaker 3: there is a lot to do and it is obviously

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Speaker 3: very very important that we keep negotiations ongoing with traditional

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Speaker 3: We actually need to embrace this as an ongoing conversation

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Speaker 1: And do you think that up until this point that

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Speaker 1: the government has managed that well.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think there'd be a lot of people who

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Speaker 3: this has taken. I've been speaking about it sort of

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Speaker 3: ad nauseum for seven years. Traditional owners have been waiting

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Speaker 3: I think really that is a bit of unhelpful expectations

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Speaker 3: on all of our parts. This is about a new

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Speaker 3: ways to do it. It starts by making sure that

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Speaker 3: we have the ability and the resources to be able

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Speaker 3: to talk to one another and not to on the

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Speaker 3: one hand, go to a meeting one year and then

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Speaker 3: come back twelve months later with an answer to a question.

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Speaker 3: We need to really have that capacity for ongoing engagement.

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Speaker 3: Because most traditional owners who we've met around the territory

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Speaker 2: We don't want bureaucracy or a lack of resources to

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Speaker 1: Well, David Chirravolo, we are going to have to leave

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Speaker 1: it their CEO of a Fan good to speak to

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Speaker 1: you this morning, Thanks so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie,