1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Sophie Torbah. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: That is so fat thank you. I feel like this 7 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: week Instagram has been all about influencer baby news. So 8 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: we're waiting on Steph Cleis Smith to give birth. Sky 9 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: Wheatley's had her baby. However, for you, Sophie, you were 10 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: kind of planning a birthday party for your baby, but 11 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: as actually a dog. Yeah, that's right. On Friday, it 12 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: was my coccos spaniel, Archie's first birthday, and I was 13 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: never actually intending to be one of those people who 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: held a birthday party for him, but I kind of 15 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: got talked into it because I'd ordered a and then 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: I thought, well, why not get some balloons? You know 17 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: he has an Instagram following. I thought it'd be a 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: cute little photo opportunity snowboard. From there, yes, its spiraled 19 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: out of control, but it was quite embarrassing because I 20 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: went to big w to pick up some balloons and 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: you have to go in now. You can't even order 22 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: over the phone, which I found quite surprising. Well, these 23 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: aren't just any balloons that you blow up. These are 24 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: helium balloons. Yeah, they were helium balloons. So I wanted 25 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: to get a gold one and then some of the 26 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: glitter balloons to a company. It Oh, that sounds good, 27 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: So I thought it sounded a bit fancy, so I 28 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: went in there, and unbeknownst to me, an American company 29 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: actually supplies Big W's balloons. So because of COVID, they 30 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: literally had slim pickings and there were no number ones left. 31 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: And I could tell that this girl thought that I 32 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: was planning, you know, a normal baby's first birthday, so 33 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: she was trying to help me, you know, figure out 34 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: what else I might need instead, and I didn't have 35 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: the heart to tell her it was for a dog, 36 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: so I just kind of went along with it and 37 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: ended up getting a rainbow ensembleman, I thought looked quite 38 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: nice as ensemble. Sorry. I love that you're actually not 39 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: alone in this though, because we had a thread going 40 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: in our Facebook community about whether you throw a birthday 41 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: party for your dog, and so many people do and 42 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: the effort they went to it would making me feel 43 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: bad for not doing more. I mean, Shadow, my dog 44 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: did have a birthday party at Doggie Daycare. However, some 45 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: of the parties I saw they were giving out like 46 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: party bags and they had this whole thing down at 47 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: the park. I'm thinking, I've got to do something like 48 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: this for Shadow. 49 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: Well. 50 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: I feel like there's really a trend of millennials treating 51 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: their pets as though they are humans because a lot 52 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: more women are having kids later in life, so they 53 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: are treating their pets as if they are babies. There 54 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: was a point at the party where everyone was watching 55 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: Archie open his gifts and everyone was like, Oh my gosh, 56 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: how cute. And it just was like, I feel like 57 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: someone needs to have a kid so we can actually 58 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: enjoy this with it without it being socially unacceptable because 59 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 1: we're not gonna aware I'm the fucking queen. Well, you 60 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: were crowned in the pool. Fashion brand Glassons suffered a 61 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: major pr failed this week after sharing a sneak peek 62 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: into the reality of where its clothes are manufactured. In 63 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: an attempt to highlight glassons apparent sustainability, the brand introduced 64 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: their followers to the men and women behind the scenes 65 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: who make the clothes. The pr stunt backfired, with many 66 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: customers questioning how much its workers were being paid, while 67 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: some even accused the brand of greenwashing its customers. Now, Sophie, 68 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: a lot has gone down online, can you tell us 69 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: what's happened? While? It all started when Glassons shared a 70 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: couple of photos to their Instagram account which showed a 71 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: number of their workers holding up signs that read imadeor clothes, 72 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: and they shared a caption speaking about how transparency is 73 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: a cornerstone to their ethical responsibility and basically that it's 74 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: really important for their customers to know where the clothes 75 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: are being made. The post also outlined that Glassons has 76 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: been working with its supply partners for up to twenty years, 77 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: and also highlighted that its workers were based in China, India, Bangladesh, 78 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: Vietnam and Turkey. It also said that those who wanted 79 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: to find out more about their sustainability program could look 80 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: into it on their website, So the post didn't really 81 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: give much information. It seems as though they're saying that 82 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: they're striving for transparency and they think that they're doing 83 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: so by showing a couple of people's faces who make 84 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: the clothes. However, the caption gave no detail about how 85 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: much the workers were being paid, their working conditions, workers safety, 86 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: the number of hours they work, and it didn't delve 87 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: it all into the sustainability practices they have in place there, 88 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: and a lot of people had a lot of questions 89 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: regarding all of those things you've just pointed out that 90 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: they really skimmed over. And what annoyed so many people 91 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: was Glassons kind of came back with this very rehearsed 92 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: line and it was very confusing their wording because there 93 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: was lots of talk about living wage and fair pay 94 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: and all these sorts of things, but it was hard 95 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: to know if you don't do a lot of research 96 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: into what it actually means. Like they weren't willing to 97 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: put a dollar figure on it, which I suppose is 98 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: hard because they do have factories in about five different countries. Well, 99 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: a lot of followers also pointed out that the workers 100 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: looked incredibly unhappy to be in the photos. It looked 101 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: like they had been forced to have this photo taken. Oh, 102 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: that's the first thing I thought when I was scrolling through. 103 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: I'm like this is so awkward, particularly there was a 104 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: group of Indian women who just looked like so upset. 105 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: It looked miserable. I was kind of thinking did they 106 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: even know what was written on the card? Because I 107 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: was almost thinking is the wording photoshopped on? Or were 108 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: they usually holding like a blank piece of paper. And 109 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: I think what's most disturbing is someone pointed out in 110 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: the comments that these photos have been doing the rounds 111 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: for a couple of years now and actually weren't unique 112 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: to Glasson, so they've actually been featured on other factories, 113 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: websites and marketing material. Okay, those photos actually originated from 114 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,559 Speaker 1: the who Made My Clothes movement and this movement began 115 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: after a collapse of a factory in Bangladesh, and this 116 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: collapse happened over five years ago, so some of the 117 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: photos could be up to five years old. Well, when 118 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: I saw those photos pop up in my feed, I 119 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: had in this moment of deja voo because I was 120 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: thinking I have seen them before. So it's so transparent 121 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: that they're recycling the images to appear as though they 122 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: are doing the right thing. And I'm really interested for 123 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: us to take a deeper look into their response when 124 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: followers asked about how much workers were being paid, so 125 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: they said, we are committed to fair wages for all 126 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: workers who make our clothes. Our definition of a fair 127 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: wage is that all workers earn above minimum wage. By 128 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: supporting decent, regular, fair paid employment, we can actively promote 129 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: effective trading relationships that influence wage levels. As a company, 130 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: we support living wage and use anchor methodology and asia 131 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: floor wage to calculate living wage benchmarks. What does this 132 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: actually mean? Because there's a lot of strange words being oh, 133 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: we support this, you do you actually deal with it? 134 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: Particularly also because the question that they responded to was saying, oh, 135 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: we know that you pay your workers a dollar an hour, 136 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: So it's pretty interesting that they did not want to 137 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: put a figure on what a living wage actually is. 138 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: I feel like before we get into that, we have 139 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: to define for everyone what is a living wage versus 140 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: a minimum wage. So a living wage is defined as 141 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: renumeration received for a standard work week by a worker 142 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: in a particular place sufficient to afford a decent standard 143 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: of living for the worker and her or his family. 144 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: So elements of a decent standard of living include food, water, housing, education, healthcare, transport, 145 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: clothing and other essential needs, including provision for unexpected events. 146 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: So then when we look at a minimum wage, it's 147 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: very different because it's the average wage paid in that country, 148 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: So it's important to point out that minimum wages differ 149 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: significantly between different countries. So on the other end, a 150 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: minimum wage is very different as it's the average wage 151 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: paid in that country, So it's important to point out 152 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: that minimum wage differs significantly between different countries. So although 153 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: Glassons is a New Zealand brand, they are not paying 154 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: their workers the equivalent New Zealand minimum wage, so they 155 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: are obviously receiving the mini wage of that country where 156 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: the factory is located. When you compare a minimum wage 157 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: to a living wage, you would assume, because the living 158 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: wage is a step up, that it would be quite decent. However, 159 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: when you take a look at Bangladesh, for instance, where 160 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: Glassons have a factory, workers are paid around a dollar 161 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: an hour. And then when you take a look at 162 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: India where they also have a factory, on average they're 163 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: earning about ninety five cents an hour, so that is 164 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: very low and that is apparently the living wage. So 165 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: I would hate to think what minimum wage in these 166 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: countries would look like now that we actually know the 167 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: distinction between the living wage and the minimum wage, and 168 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: the fact that Glassons has tried to allude in their 169 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: response to followers that they support a living wage, when 170 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: you actually take a deeper look into the sustainability page 171 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: on their website, they do not pay living wage. They 172 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: only pay minimum wage. So on their website they confirm 173 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: that because they don't own any of the factories that 174 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: they produce their clothes in, it's very complicated for them 175 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: to apparently allow their workers to have higher wages because 176 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: they don't have that sort of control apparently, So therefore, 177 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: on the website they actually confirm they pay workers a 178 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: minimum wage, not a living wage. However, they use these 179 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: buzzwords to kind of infer that they're taking steps to 180 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: promote these sort of higher wages. I feel the language 181 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: used on their social media is quite deceptive, considering they 182 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: said that they're committed to a fair wage. However, then 183 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: you have to dig further on their website and find 184 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: that that's actually not the case. And it really does 185 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: bring us onto the topic of greenwashing, which Glassons has 186 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: been accused by followers of doing. So for those who 187 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: haven't heard of greenwashing. It's actually a form of marketing 188 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: spin in which businesses try to persuade the public that 189 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: their products are more ethical than they are. So many 190 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: brands use green washing as a way to repair public 191 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: perception of their brand. It's really all about ticking a 192 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: box without actually following through, because it's quite obvious that 193 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: many young people are striving to make more conscious decisions 194 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: about their conception and it's very trendy at the moment 195 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 1: to be green. Yeah, and it's also where companies make 196 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: bold statements about things that they're going to do in 197 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: the future. So it's like, oh, by twenty fifty, we're 198 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: going to do this, and it's like, well, that's in 199 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: thirty years time. So it's tricking people into thinking, oh, 200 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: this brand's actually doing the right thing, when they're actually 201 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: not doing the right thing at the moment. And it's 202 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: very interesting that they've used this green approach because it's 203 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: quite clear that young women are very concerned about the 204 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: environment and are wanting to reduce their own carbon footprint. However, 205 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: I think the most disappointing thing is that a lot 206 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: of these brands are very much virtue signaling and doing 207 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: the bare Minimum, which scarily, it seems like Glasson's is 208 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: probably one of the better brands. However, when you say better, 209 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,599 Speaker 1: they're really doing bare minimum. I don't think that necessarily 210 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: they're a better, fast fashioned brand in regards to sustainability 211 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: on being ethical. I think they've got a better marketing 212 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: team and a better marketing spin behind them. They obviously 213 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: know that if they have a whole page on their 214 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: website designated to sustainability, and they throw in a couple 215 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: of these key buzzwords and make it really difficult for 216 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: people to actually decipher what they're saying, they're going to 217 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: appear as though they're doing the right thing. Well, I 218 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: actually think they might be using this greenwashing language as 219 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: an attempt to repair their public perception because in twenty fifteen, 220 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: Glassons received d's and F grades in an ethical fashion report, 221 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: which was commissioned for not for profit organization Baptists in Tearfund, 222 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: And this report actually began after the twenty fifteen factory 223 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: collapse in Bangladesh where oney one hundred workers were killed. 224 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: And what's really interesting is they weren't the only brands 225 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: that received d's and f's, just Jeans, Portman's JJ's, Peter Alexander, Dottie, 226 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: Valley Girl Industry, and Tempt all received d's and f's. 227 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: It is a difficult one because it's quite clear that 228 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: Glassons have taken on board that feedback, because they scored 229 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: a B plus in the same report in twenty nineteen, 230 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: and they since have been recognized by the same not 231 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: for profit organization for their commitment to protecting workers, particularly 232 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: during the pandemic. They've also put out their own sustainability report, 233 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: which is sixty five pages long, and they do outline 234 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: their commitment to being sustainable, which I think is really promising. 235 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: Was interesting you say that, Kate, because from what I've read, 236 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: a lot of the reports for this non for profit 237 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: can actually be manipulated by the brand. So it seems 238 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: that Glasson's grade has gone up because they've actually been 239 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: providing more information to the non for profit about their 240 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: sustainability practices. So it's really hard to actually identify where 241 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: these brand sits in terms of what they're actually doing. 242 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: You know, are they really doing all they can do. 243 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: I'm in such two minds about Glassons because, as you mentioned, Kate, 244 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,599 Speaker 1: they obviously are putting measures in place to become more sustainable. 245 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: There are question marks over whether that purely is for 246 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: marketing and amy, as you say, whether they are misleading 247 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: the people who are putting these results together. However, I 248 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: think there are brands that are doing a lot worse 249 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: than their But as Glasson's touched on on their website, 250 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: it is a really complex industry and a complex matter. Well, 251 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: obviously there's a massive issue overall for this fashion industry. 252 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: At least as consumers, we are beginning to put pressure 253 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: on brands and we're seeing that reflected back in the marketing. 254 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: And I think it's really important as consumers that we 255 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: are becoming aware of what greenwashing is and the sort 256 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: of buzzwords to look out for, you know that may 257 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: raise your attention and say, hey, I actually don't think 258 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: that this brand is doing that much. Well, this simply 259 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense, because once people followed Glassons up with 260 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: questions and then they put their bullshit pr comment out, 261 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: it was quite clear that they're trying to confuse everyone. Oh, 262 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: for sure, lacoa sweetie. 263 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 3: It's all right, isn't this but tight? Maybe it's a right, 264 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 3: you know, people will think, wow, it's a LACOI okay, 265 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 3: I just can't find anything to go with it, that's all. 266 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: Maybe I'll just throw up on something for you. 267 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: Oh, I see someone already has. Let's get in the 268 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: influencer rap. And on Thursday, Danny Mansuti revealed she's back 269 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: in London amid the easing of the lockdown restrictions in 270 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: the UK. This was very controversial considering the fuss that 271 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: she made to get back to her family in Melbourne. Now, 272 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: for those who aren't aware of who Danny MANSUITI is, 273 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: she actually grew up in Well, she was born in 274 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: the UK and then she spent her teenage years in Melbourne. 275 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: But she left I think about five years ago and 276 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: vowed to never come back to Australia because she had 277 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: a lot of fallings out with a lot of different influences. 278 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: And it was only in February when she accused the 279 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: Australian government of turning its back on her when she 280 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: tried to return back to Melbourne but had a lot 281 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: of difficulty doing so. And it was very transparent that 282 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: she did not want to stick to the big lockdown 283 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: that was happening in the UK and wanted to flee 284 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: home to Australia, and she did flee because she took 285 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: her month long hiatus from social media and then suddenly 286 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: popped up in Melbourne and had not documented any of 287 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: the process. What's interesting she returns now that the lockdown 288 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: is easy in the UK. Some people actually said she's 289 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: chasing summer because the weather has been really good in 290 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: the UK recently. Well, for those who aren't aware, on 291 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: April twelfth, everything in the UK started reversing back, so 292 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: suddenly people are allowed to go to gym's again, people 293 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: are allowed to go visit friends outside, go to the hairdressers. 294 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: So it is really transparent that she's gone back home 295 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: basically to have the benefits, as you say, Kate, of 296 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: a summer, and also the new freedom that they can 297 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: have over there. I actually don't get how she can 298 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: actually return back to the UK. Well, due to the 299 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen restrictions, Australian citizens can only leave Australia if 300 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: they have an exemption. However, if you're considered an ordinarily resident, 301 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: you are exempt from travel restrictions and can leave Australia 302 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: without applying for an exemption. So basically people are considered 303 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: ordinarily residents to a country other than Australia if international 304 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: movement records show they've spent more time outside of Australia 305 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: than inside for the last twelve to twenty four months. 306 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: So she's lived in the UK for about five years now, 307 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: so she could prove okay, well, I'm an Australian residence, 308 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: but I've lived mostly in the UK, so she doesn't 309 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: have to prove any sort of exemption for going back. However, 310 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: she would then have to go through the rigorous process 311 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: if she does want to come back that she went 312 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: through earlier in the year, and she did actually allude 313 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: in the rather long caption that she wrote that she 314 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: will be returning to Australia. So she wrote, and I 315 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: will be back very very soon. Is time to wrap 316 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: it up here and get ready for chapter two. So 317 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that she is going to be bringing back 318 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: her possessions as well as her pug Beans. There was 319 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: also a lot of controversy around Danny in regards to 320 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: her dog Beans, so a lot of people were wondering 321 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: whether he was doing okay, who was looking after him. 322 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: So in the photo she did share a couple of 323 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: selfies with Beans, which was good to see. I was 324 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: interested that she also mentioned some ongoing health issues that 325 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: she's still battling, and I am interested to see if 326 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: she opens up about those in a vlog, because again 327 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: she did hint that she's going to be doing a 328 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: very big vlog to let everyone know what's been going on, 329 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: because she hasn't been active on her YouTube for over 330 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: two months now. Can I just say, I feel like 331 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: her choice of photo was quite bad though, to announce 332 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: her return back to the UK, because it was her 333 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: sitting at at a beautiful cafe with an apparel sprits 334 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: and it kind of just looked very superficial, as though 335 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: she was back there for the night life. And I 336 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: don't know, I just feel like I would have been 337 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: mindful of what photo I was selecting. But to be fair, 338 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: she's celebrating because the UK have been in such a 339 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: long lockdown lockdown while she's been in Australia. She fled 340 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: the lockdown, so now she's back to let you know. 341 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: But there are so many celebratory posts going on. I 342 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: actually feel so sorry for people in Australia who have 343 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: family over in the UK who they are incredibly concerned 344 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: about and also who they have not been able to visit. 345 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,719 Speaker 1: For a year and see face to face, and they 346 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: are seeing this very privileged influencer flitting back and forth 347 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: and using the fact that she is a dual citizen 348 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: to her advantage. Well, it's also I feel very sorry 349 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: for the Australians that are stuck in the UK that 350 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: can't get back, and she's taken the spot of one 351 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: of those people on one of these flights. And then 352 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: she's only been here for two months and has gone 353 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: back as soon as lockdown. I just think, I mean, 354 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: I understand she hasn't actually broken any of the rules, 355 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: but morally, I don't really think it's right to be 356 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: traveling during the pandemic for something frivolous. I guess I 357 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: know she needed, she wanted to see her family. However, 358 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, we're seeing Perth had a 359 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: lockdown last week and the virus is escaping through these 360 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: Maty hotels, and it's obvious that travel is something that 361 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: we should try and avoid if possible, to stop the 362 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: spread of the virus. Well, we might actually get more 363 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: of an idea as to why Danny traveled to Australia 364 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: and back to the UK, because she is, as Kate said, 365 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: meant to be opening up about her health struggles, so 366 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: I feel it's hard to completely judge her when we 367 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: don't know everything that's going on. I think my issue 368 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: with it is that she seems to have been using 369 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: her mental health as an excuse to kind of do 370 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: what she pleases. And I feel like, yes, of course, 371 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: if she is genuinely struggling with mental health issues, I 372 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: feel very sorry for her. However, there's a lot of 373 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: people in the UK that are struggling with mental health issues, 374 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: but they they don't have the funds nor the I 375 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: suppose the power to just go and be able to 376 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: get a flight home and then come back. I feel 377 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: like that's just so true because, like I more have 378 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: an issue. I feel like Danny is the face of 379 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: this issue at the moment, and the issue was a 380 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: broader issue of people who have money and people who 381 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: have status who are being allowed to David in this situation. 382 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: It's just incredibly unfair and I get that. But she's 383 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: just got the spotlight on her, doesn't it, because it's 384 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: probably happening every day to rich people who people don't 385 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: know a people aren't promoting it. So she's going onto 386 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: her platforms and be like making normalizing the fact that 387 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: she's been able to travel home and then travel back 388 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: and it's all good. If I was her, I would 389 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: have actually documented the shit side of the traveling and 390 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: all of the protocols in place, because that would actually 391 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: be interesting for followers who are making a similar journey 392 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: back themselves. But instead we just see this glamorous photo 393 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: pop up of her in another country again. Yeah, well, 394 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: well probably it might be in a new vlog. But 395 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear what everyone else thinks, So head 396 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: to our community page and tell us what you think. 397 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to give that woman a Peter in my mind. 398 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: If please calm down, No Peter, I will not be becolmed. 399 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 2: We I've had and I never thought i'd uttered these words. 400 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 2: The holiday from Hell typical. My first complaint is that 401 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 2: there's no what's a complaint to, which in itself is 402 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 2: a prettish serious complaint. 403 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: Well, moving on, an OG influencer Los Curtis got a 404 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: lot of people talking, funnily enough about her jumper. She 405 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: jumped on her Instagram story to put some makeup on 406 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: and have a bit of a chat, and this is 407 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: what she said. 408 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 3: I'm also not going to I am anticipating questions about 409 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 3: this jumper. A brand sent it to me without asking 410 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 3: me first. I now screen everything before it gets sent 411 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: because most of the stuff fit of interest to me 412 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 3: and I want to be wasting their own products. So 413 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 3: they sent it without asking, and it is a youtuber'st 414 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,479 Speaker 3: brand that I did not want to support, so I 415 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 3: unstitched the branding even attag because I was going to 416 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 3: give it away because I didn't want to swear someone 417 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 3: else's merch plus the person I don't interested in supporting. 418 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 3: But then I thought it was actually a really confide 419 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 3: and soft so I am going to keep it anyway. Yes, 420 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 3: I'll leave the brand up to your imagination, but if 421 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 3: you do want a jumper like this, they're everywhere online 422 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 3: like whoo, who are misguided? If you do like it? 423 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: Well, this was all very interesting because los Curtis doesn't 424 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: have a reputation for causing controversy. She kind of stays 425 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: out of any sort of public fight, so it seemed 426 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: like she was quite keen to point out that she 427 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: did not support this YouTuber. And I've been doing a 428 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: bit of research. We had a chat in the community, 429 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: and a lot of people think that this is James 430 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: Charles's merch. Yeah, she was definitely throwing shade, wasn't she 431 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: Because most people have already worked out at James Charles, 432 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: she would know that. She knows that her followers are 433 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: quite clue. It seems interesting to even mention the jumper. Yeah, 434 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: why wear it? Like, if you know you're going to 435 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: get questions about it, surely you would just not wear it? 436 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: Or why would you go to the effort of unstitching 437 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: the branding and not Why wuldn't you just do a 438 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: bet Judd and drop it off at Vinie's. Yeah, exactly. 439 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: If anything, it really promoted the jumper because she said 440 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: our amazingly comfortable actually did look so coffee. I really 441 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: admire the fact that los Curtis is so particular about 442 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: what she receives from brand and influences, particularly after our 443 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: big conversation around sustainability in the fast fashion industry. I 444 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: just find it so fascinating that she has used this 445 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: hook to potentially take aim at James Charles and the 446 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: conversations and rumors that have been swirling about him talking 447 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: to underage boys. I just wouldn't have thought this would 448 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: be something that she would want to engage herself with Yeah, Woul, 449 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: do you think that she purposely brought it up or 450 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: do you think that maybe she's just doing a Q 451 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: and A and it was off the cuff that she 452 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: mentioned it. I definitely think it was intentional because she 453 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: was being quite open and honest with the whole conversation 454 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 1: she was having. She even called out her skin doctor 455 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: for trying to get her to promote his brand of 456 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: skin care. So I think maybe she's just sick of 457 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: the whole YouTube influence the world and is being pretty 458 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: honest about it all. Yeah. I love a bit of 459 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: honesty online. Ah the Kraken a weeks did we disturb 460 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: your father heckets biscuits? What? 461 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 2: How dare you speak to his grace like that? Apologize immediately? 462 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 2: I am so so. 463 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: Well. I think that's all we've got time for today. 464 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us, and don't worry, 465 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: we will be just us seeing all the baby news 466 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: with Sky Wheatley and Steph Claire Smith on Friday's episode. 467 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: At time of recording, Steph clear Smith is still pregnant, 468 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: so that might not be the case when this episode drops, 469 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: but I'm so excited to find out all the names 470 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: and all the details. Well, Sky's already putting up that 471 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: she's tossing up between Wild and West for the middle 472 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: name of the baby. No news yet on its first name. 473 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: As I said, we are recording on Sunday night, so 474 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: this might change come Tuesday when this is released. Yeah, 475 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: and if you did like the episode, can you please 476 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: go leave us a review and also please share where 477 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 1: you're listening from because we love seeing you guys on 478 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: your walks with your dogs or cooking. And you can 479 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: find us in our Facebook community, which is outspoken at 480 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: the podcast community, and we'll be chatting about all of 481 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: the issues on today's show in there.