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Speaker 1: Have you ever wondered how active women fuel themselves, or

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Speaker 1: more specifically, how they know what foods to use to

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Speaker 1: to find out. Sally Walker is an advanced sports dietitian

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Speaker 1: who's worked across more than twenty five different sporting programs,

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Speaker 1: including as the lead dietitian at the Tokyo twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Olympic Games, while Yelena.

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Speaker 1: Savig is a naturopath with over thirteen years experience in.

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Speaker 2: The health and fitness industry.

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Speaker 1: Put these two grave minds together and this episode has

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Speaker 1: some epic information about what nutrients active women need. I

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Speaker 1: think yes. My name's Sophie and I'm the producer here

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Speaker 1: at the Female Athlete Project. Together, Elena and Sally have

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Speaker 1: a wealth of knowledge about the nutritional needs of a

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Speaker 1: woman's body. This chat is brought to you by Athena

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Speaker 1: Sports newtutrition who were changing the sports nutrition game for women.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I have already learned.

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Speaker 1: So much about nutrition just from listening along, and we

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Speaker 1: hope you do too.

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Speaker 3: Yelena and Sally, Welcome to the Female Athlete Project.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, Thanks for having me too.

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Speaker 3: This is going to be a really interesting chat. Yelena,

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Speaker 3: we might start with you, Okay, can you tell us

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Speaker 3: a little bit about your background as a natural.

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Speaker 5: Path Okay, So, I've always been interested in natural remedies

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Speaker 5: So looking at a course in natural medicine, didn't exactly

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Speaker 5: we treat every person as a whole, you know, and

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Speaker 5: We're not just you know, trying to help the symptoms,

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Speaker 5: that we're actually looking what's underneath and what's going on,

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Speaker 5: how they're all interconnected. So yeah, that's kind of how

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Speaker 5: I got into Newtropothy and it's just continued from there.

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Speaker 5: Worked in health food and then had my little clinic

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Speaker 5: for a few years. That was really interesting, loved doing that,

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Speaker 5: what I really love to do.

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Speaker 3: Was that something that you would have anticipated early on

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Speaker 5: I always loved educating. So no matter what I did

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Speaker 4: And yeah, have you found.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, Yeah, one hundred percent, there's much more of an

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Sally, I met you in what feels like

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Speaker 6: So, I'm an advanced sports dietitian specialized largely in sport.

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Speaker 6: I did a double degree in dietetics and exercise rehab.

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Speaker 6: So move to specialize in sports, working with AFL NRL

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeap five hundred athletes at one point and I

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Speaker 6: Show the value and importance of nutrition within a sporting

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to asking about that one. How how

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Speaker 3: much does your job vary when you're working with athletes

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Speaker 6: Yes, I think it actually influenced my style as a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and no, I saw you nodding along when Sally

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Speaker 5: Should say yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I think it's nutrition is

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Speaker 5: and so it all needs to be considered so that

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Speaker 5: there's not one diet that fits all. There never has been,

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Speaker 3: If someone hasn't seen the naturopath before, it doesn't know

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 5: So a nature path is a holistic medical professional mainly

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Speaker 3: We talked before about your passion for education. It hasn't

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Speaker 3: been difficult with this boom and social media and TikTok

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Speaker 5: check it three times, you know, don't just do Google

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Speaker 2: People buy it, but you don't need to be led

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Speaker 4: This is some good advice even now to this day.

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Speaker 5: Even though I know, you know, I might know all

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Speaker 5: this information, I will still triple check something before I'll

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And Sally, can you break down for us

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Speaker 3: for someone who might not know what a diety actually is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so a common question, and I'll take the time

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Speaker 6: to cover the difference between a nutritionist and a dietitian.

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Speaker 6: Is generally a postgraduate or extended degree in dietetics nutrition

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Speaker 6: sort of an entry level course, and then dietet X

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Speaker 6: is the ability to clinically diagnose issues within a diet,

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Speaker 6: so it generally is more study. And then there is

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Speaker 6: an accreditation process which happens with that. So I'm an

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Speaker 6: accredited practicing dietitian, which means clients can claim on Medicare

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Speaker 6: advanced sports dietitian, which means there's a governing body accrediting

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Speaker 6: Yes, that can take you on many forms that story,

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Speaker 6: It wasn't like how do we make this the perfect diet?

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Speaker 5: you're thinking and all that kind of stuff. So let's

444
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 5: let's remove the perfection is you know, and then we

445
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 5: remove the stress. But you had a point and I

446
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 5: kind of missed it before, like I had a point

447
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 5: to something that you did say, but it will come

448
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 5: back to me, sorry.

449
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: When you're reminded of it. We've started to see an

450
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 3: increase in research and data into women. Has that in

451
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 3: for formed your role? Is it easier to have access

452
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 3: to more information?

453
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 6: It is because again, the more you know, the more

454
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 6: specific you can be in helping someone. We're in this

455
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 6: sort of awkward window of research at the moment where

456
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 6: we know what we don't know around women, and that

457
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 6: we've identified that a lot of research is done on

458
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 6: men and they can't just be an extrapolation a comparison

459
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 6: of that, and that more studies need to be done

460
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 6: on women, but then they haven't actually been done yet,

461
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 6: so we're still sort of working through that, but there's

462
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 6: certainly a big direction in science to try to change that.

463
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 6: So it's exciting what will come out. There are just

464
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 6: so many different variables, as we've sort of outlined in

465
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 6: just trying to have the perfect diet to even do

466
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 6: research on people, because even one individual person, you know

467
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 6: you'll change from each day to the next and each

468
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 6: month to the next. It just surprises yourself sometimes how

469
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 6: different you can change, so we can be guided by

470
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 6: that and that can of informed choices, but I think

471
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 6: there still needs to be a layer of you know,

472
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 6: what's actually happening here in front of us and what's

473
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 6: happening to you. And if someone's able to shift the

474
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 6: dial in where they want to be in their health,

475
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 6: then that's the priority, and we can use science to

476
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 6: certainly guide that, but in my opinion, it's sort of

477
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 6: it's bringing that data to life and actually getting people

478
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 6: to see the results they want to see, which is,

479
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 6: you know, an important next step from the science. So

480
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 6: we still need that data, but you do want to

481
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 6: progress it as well.

482
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 3: You might jump into some questions that we've had submitted

483
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 3: from our Instagram followers, best meal or light snack before

484
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 3: game day to keep you going for three hours.

485
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 6: Competition eating is always put in this whole other column

486
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 6: of eating, like we should only think about it when

487
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 6: we're going to compete, but ultimately on competition day you

488
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 6: should just roll out what you're doing around training, Like

489
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 6: you're training to practice skills, to practice fitness and build

490
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 6: that you should all also be practicing how you're eating,

491
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 6: how you want to eat, so then you know what

492
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 6: sits well on your stomach, you know what sustained you.

493
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 6: So then when you do get to competition, you're like, oh, yeah,

494
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 6: I'll just do my pre training snack and I'm used

495
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 6: to eating that, I'm familiar. I can just sort of

496
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 6: roll my plan out rather than getting to competition day. Again,

497
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 6: if sort of stress is a factor that's contributing to that,

498
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 6: to them, be like what do I do? But also

499
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 6: again learning having a few competitions under your belt, me

500
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 6: you might say, oh I get really nervous and I

501
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 6: can't eat. We'll factor that in like don't again not

502
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 6: trying to be perfect, and this is how you should eat,

503
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 6: and at this hour eat this, and at this.

504
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 2: Hour eat that.

505
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 3: Go.

506
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 6: Look, I just some athletes that I saw, some athletes

507
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 6: could eat something as they were diving into the pool,

508
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 6: and then it makes me feel they were like I'm fine, sure,

509
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 6: and someone need four or five hours. So everyone's quite

510
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 6: different in what they need, but they found that out

511
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 6: through practice and trial and error and sort of knowing

512
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 6: what he's right for their body. So there will be

513
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 6: sort of again guidelines and boundaries that we can start

514
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 6: with and then sort of refine and refining based on

515
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 6: how your body responds to that what it needs, But

516
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 6: largely it will be anything with lots of fiber, lots

517
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 6: of fat, lots of proteins take a lot longer to

518
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 6: break down, So if they're sitting in your belly and

519
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 6: a lot of blood flows go into your belly, that

520
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 6: means it's not in your working muscles. So if you're

521
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 6: about to be active and compete, then those two things

522
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 6: might not align. So even in some instances those foods

523
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 6: may actually be quite healthy, but they're not right for

524
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 6: what the.

525
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 2: Body needs at that time.

526
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 6: So it's aligning what the body needs and what you're

527
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 6: giving it. And so that would depend on that competition,

528
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 6: if it's a thirty second sprint or if.

529
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: It's a three hour game.

530
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 6: In that instance, it's a three hour game, but you

531
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 6: might need longer stores and things to consider in that

532
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 6: regard too, So lots of different options, and it depends,

533
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 6: it depends, But.

534
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 5: And again it just comes back down to the individual, right, Yeah.

535
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, knowing what works and thinking about it more than

536
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 6: just on the day of competition.

537
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, What is a good way to get enough

538
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 3: protein wh're not eating dairy or bananas? I don't know.

539
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: Where the bananas fits in there some of.

540
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: There's always a road that comes out and you're like, oh, yeah,

541
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: that's right.

542
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 6: Not everyone knows, but but that's how people learn. So

543
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 6: he asked questions and you're a fine in knowledge, So

544
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 6: I don't think that's too bad. But yes, the bananas

545
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 6: would be more more of a carbohydrate option than a

546
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 6: protein option, but there's protein in loads of different foods.

547
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 6: It might just be your list of choices is shortened.

548
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 6: If you're not having dairy, then you might have to

549
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 6: move towards.

550
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: Eggs, chicken, tuna.

551
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 6: If you don't eat meat, then you might have more

552
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 6: lentils and legumes and plant sources are protein.

553
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

554
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 6: You know, the concepts can stay the same in that

555
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 6: you will need carbohydrates before you're active, and you will

556
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 6: need proteins afterwards. Where you get them from will depend

557
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 6: on your taste and your dietary requirements that sort of thing.

558
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 6: So you don't have to get it from dairy, but

559
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 6: you do have to get protein, so then it might

560
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 6: just be going through a list of protein foods that

561
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 6: will be able to get that.

562
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: Is fasting eg. Sixteen seventeen or eighteen, not eating overnight beneficial.

563
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 5: Again, that'll depend on the individual and if it works

564
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 5: goal them.

565
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the goal.

566
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, some people find it works really well for them

567
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 5: and they feel great on it and they get really

568
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 5: great results from it, depending on their goal again, and

569
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 5: others not so much.

570
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 6: So yeah, looking at training too, you know, it depends

571
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 6: what rules you want to stick to and what you're

572
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 6: working towards, and some things just don't align. So if

573
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 6: someone's going to have a really long fast but then

574
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 6: they wake up in the morning and go for a

575
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 6: long run, they outcome and their quality their runs probably not.

576
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: Going to be that great if they are fasted.

577
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 6: If they're training and doing quite high intensity strength training

578
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 6: while fasted, that might complete some of their muscle mass

579
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 6: and have the reverse impact if their goal is for strength.

580
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 6: So again, defining what beneficial is and what you're actually

581
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 6: trying to achieve is the first thing to ask before

582
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 6: you start pulling about diet concepts and whether they're right.

583
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: Do you feel that you're valued in your job by

584
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 3: the coach, players, and staff.

585
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 6: Something that is overlooked in the dietetic profession is that

586
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 6: we're just handing out meal plans to everyone, just saying

587
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 6: eat this, Oh, don't eat that, and slapping food out

588
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 6: of people's hands and so so much of the role

589
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 6: is building relationships, building rapport with athletes and so they

590
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 6: feel comfortable talking about potentially anxieties around food or issues

591
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 6: that they've got around how they eat or why they eat,

592
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 6: and again being able to target support.

593
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: Which works in with their needs.

594
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 6: Building relationship with the coaches, and understanding the training load

595
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 6: which is coming up, and understanding whether it's a hard

596
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 6: session or a more endurance session. So then in being

597
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 6: able to guide diet strategies, you can apply it to

598
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 6: the energy systems being used in the type of training

599
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 6: that they've got, whether there's a camp coming up and

600
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 6: they're training three times a day or you know it's

601
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 6: a they're in a taper period, so to understand the

602
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 6: training better, having that rapport and relationship with the coaches

603
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 6: makes the difference as well. So I think in trying

604
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 6: to again maybe this was my approach, but I think

605
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 6: most accredited sports dieticians are trying to connect with just

606
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 6: the team and that concept of overall, how can we

607
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 6: all work to make this athlete better rather than how

608
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 6: can I just push diet and hope that it works

609
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 6: and that it is a team effort because ultimately the

610
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 6: athletes are the one doing the work. It's not just

611
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 6: the diet that's winning the medals. And I think acknowledging

612
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 6: and respecting that I'm just a piece of that puzzle

613
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 6: and nutrition is just a strategy to help them reach

614
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 6: your goal. It's not the goal to have a great diet.

615
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 6: Some people could have great diets and still not be

616
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 6: off at Olympics. It's you know, being mindful of your

617
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 6: role as well and being part of the team. And

618
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 6: I think that gains quite a lot more respect from

619
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 6: the athletes and the coaches as well, but.

620
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: It will vary. People with diet.

621
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 6: Are often the science is one thing, but it's very

622
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 6: very driven by beliefs and opinions. And if people have

623
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 6: strongly a vested opinions on a diet that they've done themselves,

624
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 6: like that's great that they've found their answer for them.

625
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 6: The damage comes when they try to push that on

626
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 6: someone else that it may not suit. So you see

627
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 6: that a lot in someone who's not training so they're

628
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 6: working with the sport. I didn't eat carbs, so none

629
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 6: of the athletes should be eating carbohydrates, and by pushing

630
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 6: that message because they believe it, and banning foods that

631
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 6: whole the culture of that environment is going to be

632
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 6: off kilter. So there may not be a lot of

633
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 6: value or respect there, but it's probably not a great

634
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 6: team environment if you're being led by someone's opinion rather

635
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 6: than what are we going to do to help this

636
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 6: athlete or team progress and to move forward. That can

637
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 6: be seen quite a bit and sports, but not just

638
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 6: in sport. In again, social media and those messages which

639
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 6: are being put on us so strongly that it worked

640
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 6: for me, so everyone should do it as a way

641
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 6: to almost validate their choices rather than trying to help people.

642
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 6: And a lot of people miss that as well, the

643
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 6: sort of selfishness of trying to push a nutrition message

644
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 6: on people and the damage that that can do to

645
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 6: people's relationship with food disordered eating, that sort of thing.

646
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 6: I think people really need to be mindful of. Am

647
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 6: I trying to inspire others? Or am I trying to

648
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 6: validate my own diet choices with the messages they're pushing.

649
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really good point, ya I know we

650
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: might come to you with this one. What have been

651
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 3: the noticeable changes in your profession with increased awareness and

652
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: potentially prevalence of food intolerances.

653
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 4: That's increased, that's for sure.

654
00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 5: So from when I started my course and autropathy to now,

655
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 5: huge increase in our food intolerances. Whether that's a combination

656
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 5: of people being more aware and more in tune with

657
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 5: their bodies as well with the information and the education

658
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 5: that's out there now, and females particularly being a little

659
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 5: bit more in tune with their bodies. But our food's

660
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 5: changed as well, you know, and we're all got really

661
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 5: busy lives, so a lot of us are doing the

662
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 5: real quick meals and things like that, so sometimes we're

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Speaker 5: not maybe not getting the nutrition that we require to

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Speaker 5: support our bodies. We might be also consuming a lot

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Speaker 5: of things we generally think are healthy, but they might

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Speaker 5: have a lot of preservatives and things like that because everyone's,

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Speaker 5: like I said, busy, and all of that over time

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Speaker 5: can slowly start to deteriorate your gut and cause gut

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Speaker 5: issues and increase intolerances and things like stress also has

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Speaker 5: a factor on your gut as well. And again with

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Speaker 5: females hormonal related, there's a lot of things in our

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Speaker 5: environment they're affecting our hormones with some multi faceted conversation.

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Speaker 4: We could keep going with this one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, Maybe y'all know this one and let

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Speaker 3: me know if you feel like answering it or not.

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Speaker 3: But when did you notice a shift in neutropathy being

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Speaker 3: more widely accepted as a support or resource in sports?

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Speaker 5: I think it was gradual over the last ten years,

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Speaker 5: but in maybe in the last three four years.

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Speaker 4: I think it was just before.

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Speaker 5: Our sort of COVID situation, and I think through that

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Speaker 5: people started to realize there was definitely benefits more about

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Speaker 5: being proactive, and I guess that came from more immunity

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Speaker 5: side of things, but that opened up the gates, right,

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Speaker 5: People are realized.

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Speaker 4: People kind of started.

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Speaker 5: To understand and be more knowledgeable about the benefits of

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Speaker 5: being more proactive in their health.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, probably the last few years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and in your role obviously, if we take a

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Speaker 3: step away from the diet side of things, what are

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Speaker 3: some of the things you encourage around that holistic approach

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Speaker 3: to live a healthy and balanced life.

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Speaker 5: Stile just besides the diet and life, So besides the

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Speaker 5: diet also, I mean it comes back to diet again,

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Speaker 5: but making sure that.

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Speaker 4: You're getting all the nutrition that you need.

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Speaker 5: So diet is one thing, and it's fantastic when need

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Speaker 5: to make sure we are eating as healthy as we

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Speaker 5: can for our individual needs. But a lot of the

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Speaker 5: time the foods that we are consuming don't quite have

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Speaker 5: the nutrition you know, within the food that might have

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Speaker 5: been in there twenty years ago. Our soils are different

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Speaker 5: and packaging and processing and things like that. So looking

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Speaker 5: at things like deficiencies is a big one for me

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Speaker 5: as an actropath making sure that you're not deficient in

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Speaker 5: any nutrients. And sometimes it can be really hard to

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Speaker 5: get tests from a general GP for certain nutrients. So

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Speaker 5: seeing someone within that sort of more holistic healthcare professional

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Speaker 5: where they can do extra testing, I think that would

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Speaker 5: be really looking at the nutrients to see if there's

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Speaker 5: any deficience, is there anything you particularly need in that.

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Speaker 3: Sense, looking at supplements, we've partnered with Athena Sports Nutrition

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Speaker 3: for this mini series. When is an appropriate time to

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Speaker 3: introduce supplements into someone's diet?

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Speaker 5: Really, whenever someone's looking for I can this depends on

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Speaker 5: their goal, what they're looking for, you know, if there

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Speaker 5: are any issues they might be struggling with. Really, there

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Speaker 5: are so many different times we can look at when

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Speaker 5: we might want to be incorporating our nutrition. Sports nutrition

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Speaker 5: is also not just for athletes as well, so women

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Speaker 5: just active women in general. So ATHENA is also catered

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Speaker 5: just to active women wanting to make sure they're getting

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Speaker 5: the protein they require as well as things like specific

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Speaker 5: nutrients that we talked about earlier, things like iron calcium

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Speaker 5: which we haven't mentioned as well, which is a big

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Speaker 5: importance of women and women athletes as well when we're

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Speaker 5: talking about the fractures and things that are more highly

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Speaker 5: likely for female athletes. So with ATHENA, we're basically going

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Speaker 5: the nutrients that are more catered to female athletes and

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Speaker 5: active women and you know what they maybe potentially be

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Speaker 5: deficient in or what they tend to run through a

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Speaker 5: lot more quickly in their bodies compared to their male counterparts,

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Speaker 5: and providing them with the specifics of what they need

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Speaker 5: to reach their goals.

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Speaker 3: And from your perspective, sally integrating supplements.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes I think it is also just bringing it to

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Speaker 6: life too in just being really stick with the time

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Speaker 6: constraints that people have got that if having a protein

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Speaker 6: shake means that they can get protein to help recover

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Speaker 6: a working muscle.

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Speaker 2: As it needs it, you know, weighing up.

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Speaker 6: If that's going to mean your appetites managed for the

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Speaker 6: rest of the day, you've recovered well so the next

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Speaker 6: day you can train again, which you know is then

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Speaker 6: important for mental health and clarity and things like that, so.

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Speaker 2: You can get consistency and you're in.

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Speaker 6: Day to day with the amount of training you're doing

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Speaker 6: and living life and acknowledging that training you're doing too,

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Speaker 6: rather than no, I need to I'm not an athlete,

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Speaker 6: so I won't have supplements that's only for the elite,

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Speaker 6: Like acknowledging that you know, I do train hard, and

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Speaker 6: I train regularly, and I enjoy it and.

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Speaker 2: There are so many benefits of exercise.

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Speaker 6: Then you know, just wait or anything like that to

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Speaker 6: be able to push yourself and perform and feel rewarded

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Speaker 6: by that. That's what supplements can help sort of encourage

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Speaker 6: that so that when we're training, you feel good and

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Speaker 6: you want to do it again. It's not a struggle

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Speaker 6: or something You've just got to like gem in the

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Speaker 6: day and being able to support and encourage that lifestyle

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Speaker 6: and mindset and to put a priority on it that

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Speaker 6: you know, if you're training hard and you want to

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Speaker 6: train harder, Like why stop that? Like you don't need

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Speaker 6: a label of going to a games or being in

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Speaker 6: a squad or something to be able to do that.

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Speaker 6: So in being able to offer supplements that can help

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Speaker 6: lifestyle factors just as much as the nutrient side, so

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Speaker 6: convenience and things like snacks and the snack bars and

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Speaker 6: the protein shakes, it all helps to just offer options

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Speaker 6: and solutions and to problems that people have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, busy, full lives, We're.

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Speaker 4: All very busy.

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Speaker 3: Thank you both so much for your time and your

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Speaker 3: insights today. It's been great to sit down and chat

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Speaker 3: and learn a lot more about both of your careers

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Speaker 3: and professional lives. And I think our listeners are going

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Speaker 3: to take a lot from it, So thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Great, you're welcome, Thank you for having.

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Speaker 4: Us, Thanks so much for listening.

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