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Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the Daily OS.

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Speaker 2: This is the Daily ohs oh, now it makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: the nineteenth of November.

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Speaker 1: I'm Zara, I'm Sam.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday morning news broke that well known broadcaster Alan Jones

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Speaker 3: had been arrested at his home in Sydney over alleged

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Speaker 3: indecent assaults. Later in the day, police announced that he'd

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Speaker 3: been charged with twenty four offenses. Now, this was a

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Speaker 3: really big story because of who Alan Jones is and

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Speaker 3: the power he's held in both media and political spheres

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Speaker 3: in Australia for the past few decades.

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Speaker 1: I think the identity of Alan Jones and the power

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Speaker 1: that he holds is really at the heart of this

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Speaker 1: story and why he's been such a permanent fixture in

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Speaker 1: Australian media and political circles for so long. For anyone

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Speaker 1: who is a quite across it, can you give me

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Speaker 1: a sense of who Alan Jones is?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So when I sat down to write this podcast,

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Speaker 3: I thought I knew a lot about Alan Jones's career.

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Speaker 3: You know, you're told these stories when you enter the

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Speaker 3: industry about someone that had been there for years in

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Speaker 3: years and years, but it turns out that he's had

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Speaker 3: quite a unique career trajectory. So he's not someone that

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Speaker 3: entered journalism straight out of university and then stayed there

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Speaker 3: his whole career. Alan Jones, who right now is in

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Speaker 3: his early eighties, he actually started his career as an

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Speaker 1: Which is a really prestigious private school.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And then in the mid seventies he moved

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Speaker 3: Alan Jones later ran for two different seats for the

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Speaker 1: And those shows that he was involved with, whether it

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Speaker 1: some of those radio numbers were huge.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he held that number one spot for

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Speaker 1: But then I think the reason why a lot of

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Speaker 3: Himself, he certainly made and continues to make a lot

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Speaker 3: He also suggested that her father, who at that time

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, But that wasn't the only female leader of

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Speaker 1: That happened in twenty nineteen. A year later, in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: So just to go back and recap, we have somebody

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Speaker 3: After retiring from radio, as he put it, Alan Jones

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Speaker 3: and that's an important date because a month later, in

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Speaker 3: The Sydney Morning Herald, journalist Kate McClymont alleged that Alan

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Speaker 3: Jones quote used his position of power to prey on

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Speaker 1: So the article comes out and Alan Jones and his

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, exactly. So yesterday morning we found out that

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Speaker 2: I can't speculate in this particular case, but what is

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Speaker 2: And we are anticipating that other people may come forward.

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Speaker 1: And Zara, do we know what Jones was actually charged with?

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Speaker 3: So later yesterday New South Wales Police did get up

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Speaker 3: Jones has been given conditional bail and he's due next

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Speaker 1: And have we heard from Jones or his lawyers since

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Speaker 1: he was arrested.

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Speaker 3: Yes So yesterday afternoon we did hear from Alan Jones's lawyers,

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