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Speaker 1: we cover the big issues.

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Speaker 2: Well, the big fellas are back in the studio and

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Speaker 2: and of course the big issues this morning brought to

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Speaker 2: you are by Kolano Community Association and Aboriginal loaned operated

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Speaker 2: and community lead organization from the Top End to Tenant

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Speaker 2: Creek and joining me in the studio, Dave.

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Speaker 1: Tolna, good morning, great to be with you, Good.

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Speaker 3: To have your back mate.

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Speaker 2: And we've also got Damie and Hi Old good morning.

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Speaker 4: Good morning Wolfy. And I was fresh from doing that

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Speaker 4: fundraiser with Tolly.

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Speaker 3: Oh the band is bad.

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Speaker 1: They loved me.

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Speaker 5: Tom was brutally honest.

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Speaker 2: As always from Dave to it was good fun.

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Speaker 5: I hope they raised a bit of money.

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Speaker 2: There's plenty on the agenda when you when you look

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Speaker 2: at things happening aroun on the place nationally. I do

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Speaker 2: just want to take you to an investigation by Sky News.

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Speaker 2: Matt Cunningham was on the show a little bit earlier

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Speaker 2: today and revealed that well the devastating effects of increased

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Speaker 2: welfare payments and early access to superannuation in indigenous communities

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Speaker 2: during the coronavirus pandemic. Now documents that have been obtained

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Speaker 2: by the Freedom of information show the extra payments have

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Speaker 2: been linked to increases in alcohol consumption, gambling and domestic violence.

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Speaker 2: I know that it's probably not a huge surprise to

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Speaker 2: we'd spoken to Mission Australia a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: They had said that, you know, the sobering up shelter

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Speaker 3: Is at record numbers.

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Speaker 2: We've certainly been talking more and more around the top

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Speaker 2: end as well about people accessing alcohol sometimes through secondary supply.

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Speaker 2: But gee, you know, I don't really know what the

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Speaker 2: answer is here, but it does seem as though we

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Speaker 2: see issues when some of these increased payments come through.

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Speaker 4: Think it's always happened, like you think of the baby

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Speaker 4: bonus from the Howard years, the rud stimulus of two

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Speaker 4: thousand and nine during the global financial crisis, and now

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Speaker 4: this stimulus package. The thing is that the decision was

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Speaker 4: made that people had to stay at home, and you

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Speaker 4: have to if you're going to do that, send link.

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Speaker 4: Payments have to be consistent across Australia. I don't agree

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Speaker 4: at all that some people are more entitled to them

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Speaker 5: And there's certainly.

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Speaker 4: People that will profit here at this At this time,

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Speaker 4: it's not an offer alcohol to and more expensive in

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Speaker 4: some cases to the most vulnerable people in the community,

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Speaker 4: not only people out in remote communities, but.

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Speaker 5: Also here in Darwin.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure I'm sure the clubs and the pubs would

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Speaker 4: have done quite well, or the takeaways anyway out of

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Speaker 4: darn And people will spend money on what they want

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Speaker 4: to spend money on, and unfortunately some people will waste

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Speaker 4: that money and spend it on alcohol.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just sort of look.

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Speaker 6: Back and I think, you know, out of all those

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Speaker 6: stopping that was Kevin Rudd's stimulus package. You know, I

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Speaker 6: think all those checks that email to dead people, not

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Speaker 5: It's just always having to go anything like that.

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Speaker 6: You know, when you mail money off to dead people,

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Speaker 6: not spending that on alcohol. Well, but the point is

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Speaker 6: that Harley makes in all seriousness, it happens almost with

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Speaker 6: and the thing without the federal government is they do

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Speaker 6: minority of people who won't use that money for their

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Speaker 2: Speaking of you know, federal payments and some of the

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Speaker 3: We know that at the moment there's a bit of

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Speaker 3: a brawl that's erupted over job Keeper.

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Speaker 2: This time true for Josh Friedenberg's hit back at and

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Speaker 2: branded Friedenberg as completely out of touch over issues affecting Queenslanders,

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Speaker 2: But Friedenberg's hit back in an editorial for The Courier Mail,

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Speaker 2: and said the reality is the Morrison Government's already delivered

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Speaker 3: That's what he was written.

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Speaker 6: You remember what Paul Keating said, never get between a

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Speaker 5: It's like it's a six speed economy.

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Speaker 4: Though there's one consistent thing about state premier's day was right,

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Speaker 4: they're all in it for their own.

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Speaker 5: State, and that's what you love about it. So there's

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Speaker 4: Going to be argy barge between the Commonwealth and how

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Speaker 4: long these stimulus packages and the job Keeper and that

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Speaker 4: it's hard to turn the tap off, but they can't.

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Speaker 6: But they're all care and their responsibilities. You see, they

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Speaker 6: don't have to worry about raising taxes and they're like

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Speaker 6: that's the role of the federal government. They just sit

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Speaker 6: that was Paul Keating's point. You know, it's been the

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Speaker 6: lot of every prime minister in this country, no matter

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Speaker 6: what political flavor you are, you just don't get between

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Speaker 2: There is I mean, there is definitely some concern over

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Speaker 2: the job Keeper. I mean, like when you talk about

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Speaker 3: So that's the one.

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Speaker 2: You know that some obviously that some employers are able

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Speaker 2: those sectors are going to be hit really hard when.

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Speaker 6: Well, some of those sectors, look, the fact is that

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Speaker 6: you know, they're just staving off the inevitable. Some of

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Speaker 6: those things just aren't going to recover in the in

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Speaker 4: And also they're going into their winter months too coming up.

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Speaker 4: So there's summer, the summer months when the bonanza and

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Speaker 2: So what's the answer, because you know, even here in

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Speaker 2: It's really no fault of their own. But the situation

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Speaker 6: Terrace government induced recession, this isn't the normal thing where

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Speaker 6: that's why governments feel that there's some responsibility to them

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Speaker 6: that they have to keep because they're the ones who

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Speaker 2: He's just looking at it.

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Speaker 3: But what's the answer.

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Speaker 2: That vaccine flows out and it's more more people get

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Speaker 6: I think that once a vaccine rolled out that things

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Speaker 4: Enough, and we've still got millions of people that have

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Speaker 3: So it's going to take a while.

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Speaker 4: Alluded to the comments from Paul Keating's right, like the

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Speaker 4: state governments, all of them are going to continue to

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Speaker 4: put the pressure on Canberra to do the heavy lifting.

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Speaker 4: They're going to They're going to want more Camberra will

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Speaker 4: have these debates and arguments, right I think right through

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Speaker 5: The end of the year.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I don't know whether or not, you know,

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Speaker 4: But you know, I take on Dave's point about state

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Speaker 4: governments have created this. It's you know, it's really been

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Speaker 4: about the health pandemic that we're in and most governments

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Speaker 4: premiers have done the same thing. They've had the health

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Speaker 6: Someone passer buck Tea.

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Speaker 4: Well, you've just got to listen to the look at

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Speaker 4: what's happened in the United States, you know, even now

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Speaker 1: Out, it's all fixed, it's all fixed.

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Speaker 4: In four weeks is already have the death rate in

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Speaker 4: the Chief Health Officer again like they just don't get

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Speaker 4: it bout you. They just don't get it. They just

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Speaker 6: For some reason, there's Republicans, they're not big on them,

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Speaker 5: Know, the numbers games how many people are.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad that what Australia has done because we wouldn't

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Speaker 6: That given that we've got this economic crisis. You wonder

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Speaker 6: know gonna will stand there doing an interview with accountants

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Speaker 1: It will come down.

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Speaker 5: You recommendize that. That's where the.

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Speaker 4: Back room of the footy club there's the strength and

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Speaker 5: That's what's going on behind.

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Speaker 2: Is there any being counters arguing at the moment, I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure absolutely.

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Speaker 5: The Chief.

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Speaker 4: The Chief bean Counter has come out.

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Speaker 3: Three sixty with Katie Wolf thanks to Joyce Main Darwin

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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine

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Speaker 2: Aboriginal Lined Operated and community led to organization from the

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Speaker 2: top end to Tenant Creek. Now I want to ask

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Speaker 3: Dave told him and Damian Hale, I'm a bit slow

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Speaker 6: You got to be keep with Harley said, you know,

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Speaker 2: Wondering now, I know that there's a bit of a

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Speaker 3: As I said, this is something that comes up all

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Speaker 3: Enable, you know, or change their laws to some degree.

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Speaker 2: But the Attorney General's the Attorney General Christian Porter's office,

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Speaker 1: Well, I got to tell you, you.

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Speaker 6: Bigger issue and it's a lack of our rights in

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Speaker 6: We're not treated as other Australians do. And the federal

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Speaker 6: The average Land Rights Act applies nowhere else in Australia.

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Speaker 6: Everyone says they support it, but no a single state

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Speaker 6: Well we've got it. We've got to certainly push for

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Speaker 1: Should it go?

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Speaker 6: Now, the Northern Territory has more Aborigines per capita than

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Speaker 2: Is statehood something that we should be pushing for. I

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Speaker 6: People have round off with statehood discussions in the territory.

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Speaker 6: But the reality is these other discussions are overtaking us.

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Speaker 1: We believe Parliament, it's disgraceful.

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Speaker 4: Full representatives of the territory two hundred and twenty seven

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Speaker 4: We've got around about thirteen to fifteen representatives live above

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Speaker 4: Which creates around about sixty percent of the GDP of

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Speaker 4: It's an issue in North Queensland, it's an issue in

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Speaker 4: it comes to the rights of territorians. And when you

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Speaker 5: Do you want twelve senators? Do you want? I said, no,

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Speaker 6: We want to we should have twelve senators too, and

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Speaker 6: ultimately we should. If you're going to, if you're going

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Speaker 2: And what we want really is the opportunity to make

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Speaker 2: I said, there'll be some people listening this morning. He'll think, well, geez,

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Speaker 6: And I say to people that you know, they say, oh,

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Speaker 1: So we'll have a look at ken bro Just have

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Speaker 1: If you think gun is bad, just wait, just wait

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Speaker 1: until these people get to go.

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Speaker 6: Virtually almost virtually every problem and all the territory government

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Speaker 6: You know, poverty and remote communities, you know, all of

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Speaker 3: If you want to be making decisions, you've got to

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Speaker 3: I reckon here in the to be it's been a

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Speaker 6: He was kakado last year when Wonnie flew up and

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Speaker 5: He might have done it by zoom.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think he was, because I think that's

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Speaker 4: But if I suppose, if you lower your expectations of

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Speaker 5: So I think he said a.

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Speaker 2: Ronnie said he was in five Filo in our Springs apparently.

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Speaker 2: I don't know when though, when he flew in.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: I can't even remember the last time. It's been a while.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, that's it for us this morning. We've run

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Speaker 1: Short and sweet, he's run out of time in here

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 2: And well, it's always good to catch up with you both, Dave, Tom.

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Speaker 1: Hat to be with you, Katie. Great to see the

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 5: Last week he was down on one of his many

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Speaker 1: The night before he was on a course you worked with.

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Speaker 1: It was a gold course.

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Speaker 4: It was a call from one of course I was

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Speaker 3: Control you. Thank you so much for your time. You're

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Speaker 3: That was the big issues