1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Here at Too Good Sports, we would like to acknowledge 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of the land on which we record 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: this podcast, the Wererurie people. This land was never seated, 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: always was always will be. Hello and welcome to Doo 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: Good Sports. Sports news told differently. I'm Georgie Tunnan and. 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 2: I'm Abby Jelmy. George, how are you? We haven't seen 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 2: much of each other's this week. 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: It has been chyotic, to say the least. Life just 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: gets in the way sometimes, you know, all the things 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: you're meant to be doing. 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: Your jet setting everywhere, Footy's back, We're busy, but it's 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: nice to catch up and actually talk about all the 13 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 2: things that we want to talk about. 14 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: And it brings me Jelmy to something that I would 15 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: like us to trial this week and going forward. Let's 16 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: be honest. A new segment, Good Sport, Bad Sport Basically 17 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: what has happened this week. It could be in the 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: sports world or it could just be in our worlds. 19 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: What is your good sport bad sport for the week. 20 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: I'm going to come in with a bad sport bad spot. Now, 21 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: you know, Georgie, you and I went to the Australian 22 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: Open together and we were lucky enough to see one 23 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 2: of the great I wouldn't even call him up and 24 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: coming anymore, carls Alcaaz. I mean, he's been a world 25 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 2: number one, and he's up and coming to the point 26 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 2: where he is at the. 27 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: Up that up and coming best player in the world. 28 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: But there was something that you and I noticed, which 29 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: is perhaps this is the most two good sports chat ever. 30 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: He hated bugs. Now flash forward to Indian Wells. It 31 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: is the men's quarter final, and you know how you 32 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 2: hope to be at these events that there might be 33 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: a buzz around Senecord, a hive of activity if you will. 34 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: Oh my god, there was a b infestiation when he 35 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: was taking on Zeverev. And to watch that man flail 36 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: around with a racket and he's so angry. But there 37 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: there was a hive on the spider can have you 38 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: seen this. 39 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: On the spider cam? 40 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: I have. 41 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: This was probably my fate. One of my most favorite 42 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: stories I've ever seen. 43 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: They lift the spider cam up. Play was spended for 44 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: one hour and forty eight minutes. The umpire got stung. 45 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, the bees came for the umpire. They came 46 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: for Alchoriz. I do love there's this moment where the 47 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: umpire goes this match has been abandoned due to be invasion, 48 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: which I know it's your bad sport of the week, 49 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: but hey, that had umpire for me. He's a good 50 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: sport just making him. 51 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 2: I just think everyone had a gold Australia because we 52 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: had a snake on one of the courts a lot 53 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: easier to contain. And also we probably have wildlife handlers 54 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: because we're used to this. What are you going to 55 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: do about a whole lot of bees? Where's the queen? 56 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? 57 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: There? 58 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: You go, that's my good bad sport. But I just 59 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: saw it and went far out. He would have hated that. 60 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: Love it, Love it. Mine is also a bad sport 61 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: for this week. This is going well, going well, going well. 62 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: We love that balance. Bad sport this week has to 63 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: go to the NRL's legal counsel, Lachland Giles, who was 64 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: representing the NRL and the k that they were putting 65 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: forward against Spencer Lenu. Now this is the case that 66 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: has had a lot of attention, Spencer Lenu pleading guilty 67 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,119 Speaker 1: in the end to using a racial slur against Ezra ma'am. 68 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: Now we're not going to talk about that racial slur, 69 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: but he was given an eight week suspension. Spencer Lenu, 70 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: Why Lachland Giles though, is my bad sport of the week. 71 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: He's in the gun. Look at you. You're not pleased. 72 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: Well, I'm not pleased, and the Roosters aren't pleased because 73 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: they have now launched an official complaint against him with 74 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: the NRL because during that hearing, which again I cannot 75 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: stress enough, is about racism in the game, mister Giles 76 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: referred to Spencer Lenu as Spencer Leui. No, So the Roosters, 77 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: well within their rights, have handed to please explain to 78 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: the NRL their player, who will now miss eight weeks 79 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: of football for the racial term that he used against 80 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: isra mam. But just be better. You would think that 81 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: you would have your ducks in a row, especially in 82 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: a case like this. It's not a good good look 83 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: and it was just one that I went you can't 84 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: be serious. You cannot be serious. 85 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: When you're talking about that as a bad sport and 86 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: not the Xavier Coats try oh, which I've honestly if 87 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: you're going to advertise, look at me watching an ILF. 88 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 2: But also there was a match winning try for the 89 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: storm that unless you see it, you actually can't believe. 90 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: He flies his own height. 91 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: It is the greatest advertisement for find the clip. 92 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 2: It'll be about twenty seconds of your life. But holy moly, 93 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: is at worth seeing. And after the match himself, he's like, 94 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: that'll go down in history. I think he knew. He 95 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: was like, well, that was good. That was really good. 96 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: He's an ultimate entertainer, which does bring us to a 97 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: very big topic of conversation that we are getting into 98 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: this episode. Jelmy another one of our favorite entertainers, another 99 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: one of our favorite athletes, Sam. 100 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: Ker Georgie, and I know that there has been a 101 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 2: lot of media coverage of this event, but we want 102 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: to take you through the play by play of what's 103 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: actually happened, what both parties are claiming, and what this 104 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: means for the Matildas. 105 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: Jeremy, I say, Sam, you say kur kur, Yes, yes 106 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: it is cur Yes, yes, I can always count on you. 107 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: But honestly, we are probably Sam Curr's biggest cheerleaders. I 108 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: think here at two Good Sports, I mean we have 109 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: wax lyrical about her talent, about her stature in sport 110 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: in Australia. Let alone in the world game, and I 111 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: think that we see her as a national treasure. What 112 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: are some words or terminology that you think of when 113 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: you hear Samantaker. 114 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: She's an icon, She's a sporting great, She's a legend 115 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: who happens to be still playing. And I'm about to 116 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: do something. If you've been under a rock for a decade, 117 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: but particularly last year, you just were clearly somewhere where 118 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: there was no reception and you don't know who Samkurr is. 119 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: Let's give you a snapshot. She's a thirty year old 120 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: Australian footballer, Matilda's captain YEP and current Chelsea striker in 121 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: the Women's Super League in England. 122 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: Yes, she's been with the club Chelsea since I think 123 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: November twenty nineteen. 124 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: She was on the cover of FIFA in twenty three 125 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: with one of my favorite athletes names to say, Killian. 126 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: And Mabe, Gillian and Bbe. 127 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: So she is up in lights as one of the 128 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 2: greatest in the world. She was born and raised in Perth, 129 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: started representing her country when she was just a teenager, 130 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 2: but has been elevated and for good reason to demi 131 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: gods status. Yes, because of how good she is at 132 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: what she does, and it's not necessarily her persona that 133 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: has got her being an Australian household name. She avoids 134 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 2: the limelight, hates doing a sit down, hates it, will 135 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: not do a deep dive. So why Australians are so 136 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: endeared to Sam Kerr is because she's a quiet champion. 137 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: That goal of hers in the World Cup last year 138 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: lives rent free in my brain. I think about it 139 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: when I'm sad, I think about it when i'm mad, 140 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: I think about it when there's nothing going up up 141 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: in my head because it just brings me a sense 142 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: of joy, a sense of excitement, a sense of peace 143 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: and also a sense of aspiration into what is possible. 144 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: She is that good. 145 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: Chelsea manager at the moment said I would not trade 146 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: Sam Kerf or any player in the world. Yeah, well, 147 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: there you go. 148 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: She is officially the number two best female footballer in 149 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: the world. 150 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: She became three time nominee for the Ballandor in twenty 151 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: twenty three. Didn't have the best season for Chelsea and 152 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: we get that it has to be in a whole year, 153 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: but come. 154 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: On, but come on, come on, She's so close. 155 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: She is currently and this frames the whole context of 156 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: our discussion. She is not going to Paris, not because 157 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: of what we're about to discuss, but because she's ruptured 158 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: her acl. 159 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: Yes, so she is injured. Oh my god, I think 160 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: you sent me a text doing a welfare checks about 161 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: Sam's dodgy knee and we were like, surely not like 162 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: there honestly could have been a day of mourning. That 163 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: is how much she has shaped the narrative of talking 164 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: about the Matilda's and talking about football in this country. 165 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: And she has shaped headlines in this country because on 166 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 2: the fifth of March twenty twenty four was when it 167 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: first made headlines around the country that Sam Kerr had 168 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: been charged with racially aggravated harassment of a police officer, 169 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: alleged using insulting, threatening, or abusive language that caused alarm 170 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: and distress. And my god, did it cause us alarm 171 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: and distress? 172 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: What was your first reaction to this? Joy? Because I 173 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: think that anyone who's been following this story, they can 174 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: remember where they were when they first heard these allegations 175 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: against Sam Kerr. 176 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 2: Well, I actually was on a radio show that afternoon 177 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: promoting two Good Sports, and they asked me about it, 178 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 2: and the first thing I said was, guys, we don't 179 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: know what she said. What we do know is that 180 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: this happened a year ago, Yes, on the thirtieth of 181 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: January twenty five, twenty three. So you think about how 182 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: much we were just loving her sick during the World Cup. 183 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: This has already happened. 184 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, this had, this had somehow happened. It had somehow 185 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: stayed out of all of the headlines, any of the tabloids. 186 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: She'd kept it, she'd kept it quiet. But we're going 187 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: to get into potential reasons for that, even maybe just 188 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: how nothing she thought that this was, that it wasn't 189 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: even needed to be talked about. 190 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 2: Georgie, you and I aren't sanker No, but we do 191 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: have public jobs. Yes, if something like this had happened 192 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: in your life and you hadn't given your boss or 193 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 2: heads up about what potentially could be breaking, I don't 194 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 2: know if we'd be working. I wouldn't have a job, No, 195 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 2: nor would I. No. Can you imagine being Football Australia 196 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: and being like, what happened when? 197 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? Sorry, what what? 198 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 2: When? 199 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: When did this happen? 200 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 2: With who? 201 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: Our captain? 202 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: Our cap Sam bound out via the media, like the 203 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 2: rest of us. So that's point one. 204 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: I think if we just take it back though to 205 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: the incident that is alleged to have occurred on that night, yes, 206 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. 207 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: On that night, long long ago. 208 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: Because it is alleged that Samanthaka, the National Matilda's captain, 209 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: around three am, was in a cab allegedly threw up 210 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: in that cab. Now this was after she had been 211 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: partying because she had scored a hat trick in Chelsea's 212 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: FA Cup victory. 213 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: That is not dispute. That's a fact. 214 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: That's a fact. That's a fact she did do that. 215 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: But it's alleged that she threw up in a cab, 216 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: got into an argument with the cabby over the taxi fair, 217 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: police somehow get called and then allegedly there's a bit 218 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: more back and forth. Sam Kerr is arrested and she 219 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: allegedly racially harassed a UK police officer sometime in that night. 220 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: So your first response was, well, we don't know what 221 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: she said yet, we don't know what's happened. 222 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: Yes, but it wasn't. That wasn't the hole. That wasn't 223 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: the first response for a lot of people in the media, 224 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: A lot of people in the media was like, well, 225 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: we don't know what she said, but I mean, we 226 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: can only take it as if she is found guilty 227 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: and if she has said this thing, that people need 228 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: to come down really really hard on her. Can you 229 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: imagine so much speculation? I wonder what she said? This 230 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: is crazy and I feel that a lot of media 231 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: took the opportunity to have this be the moment that 232 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: we take Sam Kurr down and people two fact, yeah, 233 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: before we even knew what they said. I know personally 234 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: and just how this is how much of an impact 235 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: Sam Kerr has had on the national conversation in the 236 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: last twelve months that people who don't know or aren't 237 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: that interested in sport they love Sam Kerr. Yes, I 238 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: went into the office and I had a group of 239 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: girlfriends just standing around being. 240 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: Like, what's happened? 241 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: What has happened? What do you think is going on? 242 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: Like all of this and genuinely in distress at their 243 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: hero potentially doing something that would sit at such odds 244 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: with their own value system. 245 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: And very honestly from mine, knowing that Sam Kerr is 246 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: of Indian descent and grew up in Western Australia, where 247 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: she's spoken publicly about the challenges her father faced being 248 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: in white Australia culture as a non white Australian. That 249 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 2: was the bit that jarred with med. What has she 250 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: said given that through her life as a female, openly 251 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: gave footballer who is not white, would have faced prejudiced 252 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: her whole life. It just went something about this doesn't 253 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 2: feel right totally. 254 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: And it also highlighted for me my own hypocrisy because 255 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: around that time we had the Spencer Lenu game happening 256 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: in the NRL as well, and I think. 257 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 2: Him for life. 258 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: I think I said to you shut even on this podcast. 259 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: I was like, goodbye, Spencer Lenu if you were found 260 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: guilty of this, like bann him for the season. I 261 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: had that and I was very very solid in my 262 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: convictions on that. Straight away, Sam Kerr allegedly does this, 263 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: and I was like, well, everyone chill and let's just 264 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: give her a second. 265 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: That was when we were recording and I came in 266 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: here and said, Georgie, you don't know what she said. 267 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: I didn't, do you. I didn't, And I said. 268 00:12:53,840 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: Well, we it was breaking stupid white bastard, stupid white. 269 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, we get the phrasing and you went, 270 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 2: oh God, is that it? 271 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: Yeah? That was That was my first reaction. I thought, 272 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: no way. I also had a sigh of relief, I think, 273 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: because you know, there's just that part of me. It's 274 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: like I never wanted to believe that Sam could do 275 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: something that would hurt you know, herself, the country, the 276 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: game of football. But I was like, oh, okay, we 277 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: can all move on. 278 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: Reported in the Sun, So yes, make of that what 279 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: you will. 280 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: Yes, Since that, we've learned that Sam Kerr's legal teams 281 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: actually going to be arguing that she said stupid white 282 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: cop towards this police officer. 283 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: Which I would argue that bastard was the most offensive 284 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: word in that three stupid. 285 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: I was like, I hate someone suggesting that I could 286 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: possibly be stupid. 287 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: But this led to a national conversation around whether or 288 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: not calling someone white is racist, and I think the 289 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 2: way that predominantly white Australian has covered this has been 290 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: so telling. This PC level who has made this charge 291 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 2: admittedly via post a year later. Yes, we know nothing 292 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: about them, nothing the context of their life. We don't 293 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 2: know anything about really the finer details of what happened 294 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: that evening or how it's affected him. We've just gone 295 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: you probably are a stupid white bastard, and so much 296 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: so that that's what politicians have been saying. Yes, so 297 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: all of a sudden it sort of was made a joke. 298 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: This stupid white bastard line was made a joke. There 299 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: were parody tiktoks everywhere, videos, people had made merchandise. 300 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: Oh yes, I got sent many links. 301 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: If you can hear that. Sorry, sorry, there is a 302 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: bit of construction going on upstairs in the studio. That 303 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: is not people writing about this topic. 304 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: It's not people coming to silence us. 305 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: We are aware, so we're just gonna push on. But 306 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 2: I think I forgot what I think because I think 307 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: you out of the face of there's someone going to 308 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: break in. 309 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: This No, I was being sent links to actual t 310 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: shirts that were being made up saying stupid white bastard 311 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: and I are thousand percent. There was this exhale around 312 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: the country being like, oh, thank god, our sam is 313 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: still the queen, she still represents everything that we represent. 314 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: This is now going to go to court. We know 315 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: that sam Ka has pleaded not guilty and that her 316 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: legal team are trying to get it thrown out in. 317 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: Their term, it's an abusive power. So her legal team 318 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: is going to suggest they want this thrown out. I 319 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: think it appears back in court around the end of April, 320 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: and they want this to be nipped in the bud. 321 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: They said that there was absolutely no intention from sam 322 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: Kerr to cause offense to cause racial distress. She did 323 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: not mean what she was saying to be taken in 324 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: a racial context. It never crossed her mind. It was 325 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: not her intention. So they are wanting this to be 326 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: completely thrown out, and they're arguing that it is an 327 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: abusive power that she was even charged, and it's got 328 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: to this stage in the first place. 329 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: A lot of the responses were this bloke's figured out 330 00:15:59,000 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: who she is. 331 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: Also, if it isn't Sam Kerr who says those words, 332 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: we're not talking about this. No, this doesn't happen because 333 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: it has not got to this level. You cannot tell 334 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: me that this policeman has not recognized her. It's happened 335 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: in Twickenham. They know there's a very big Chelsea catchment 336 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: there of Chelsea fans. Her face is everywhere, plastered over 337 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: every single billboard. She is famous, maybe not necessarily as 338 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: famous as she is here, but she's famous enough that 339 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: she would have to have been recognized. 340 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: It's also worth highlighting that cause fiance Chrissy Mueis is white. 341 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 342 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's not like these are deeply seated beliefs 343 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: or pre like it's it's anyway. What we do know 344 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 2: is that this is a really serious charge. It is 345 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: very very simum sentence is two years in jail. Yeah, 346 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: and this is if she's found guilty. So she's obviously 347 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 2: pleading not guilty and her team is looking to have 348 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: every single charge thrown out. But also, when you were 349 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: talking about the delay, one of the reasons is because 350 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: of the judicial system in the UK is just overrun. Yes, 351 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 2: so we don't necessarily understand how something can take a 352 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: year to be processed here in Australia if it's a 353 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: legal manner. But in the UK, in researching this time 354 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: and time again, they said our courts are overrun. It 355 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 2: does take a long time for things to be processed, 356 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 2: and this isn't that rare. 357 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: I do think it has brought up a very interesting 358 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: conversation about what may be deemed racial but not racist. 359 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: In my mind, I do think what she said is 360 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: racial technically, if we're looking at it, just technically get 361 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: the dictionary definition out. She's used that descriptive word. I 362 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: don't think that she is using it in a context 363 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: that has anything to do with abusing her own power 364 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: and maybe in that situation or trying to overthrow racial 365 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: traditional racial roles. I don't think that that is how 366 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: she's used this. She had just thrown up in a cab. 367 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: She's not thinking, she's not thinking that far. 368 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: I also have found it really interesting to live listen 369 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 2: to commentators around this and the fact that highlighting that 370 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: someone is white isn't traditionally racist because white isn't a race. 371 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: Arguably there's only one race, the human race. 372 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 2: Yes, but racism or races are a white man construct 373 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: in order to try to categorize people of which white 374 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: man seems to be immune to. So historically, highlighting that 375 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 2: someone is white is to highlight a power imbalance, and 376 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 2: even more so because that person is male and a 377 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: police officer. But by making snap judgments on this, which 378 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: everyone did and the wider Australian media did, we reduced 379 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 2: this PC level and Sam Kerr into almost caricatures of 380 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 2: their parts rather than their history, because we don't know 381 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: his and We don't know the context of how this 382 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 2: all actually happened, but we do know in the scheme 383 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 2: of war going on in the big bad world, giving 384 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: so much attention to use stupid white copper feels ridiculous. 385 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: I think our personal opinions on this are pretty clear 386 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: in that we stand with Sam Kerk. We do not 387 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: think that she has necessarily a case to answer for here. 388 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: If we were the judge, we'd be like, let's all 389 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: just take a chill pill, apologize and go our separate ways, however. 390 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 2: Which probably explains why we're not judging. 391 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: It probably does. 392 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 2: But on top of the other layer to that was 393 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: that Football Australia were left in the lurch. And there 394 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: are arguments for the fact that Samka's not technically employed 395 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 2: by Football Australia. She's injured at the moment. Yes, the 396 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: Matilda's were going through qualification and she said if anyone 397 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 2: gets wind of this, maybe it will be about me 398 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: when it should be about the girls potentially. 399 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: Well, this is my point where I do think Sam 400 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: has a case to answer is with Football Australia. Yes, 401 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: is with Chelsea and for Football Australia to find out 402 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: how you and I found out in the media. That's 403 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: no good. This was the CEO, James Johnson. 404 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 3: We're trying to get to the of it at the moment. 405 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 3: We've got our own questions that we'd like to know. 406 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 3: We've got to find out what actually happened. But we 407 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 3: also want to say that there is a process that 408 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 3: is underway in the United Kingdom, and you know that 409 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 3: process needs to run its course. At the same time, 410 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 3: Sam has rights, She's pleaded, not guilty. I think we 411 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 3: need to remember that and we need to respect that. 412 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: I just think you give them a call. You give 413 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: them a call. So she first would have been I 414 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: think she found out about the charge in January. Then 415 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: she goes to this hearing. But you are the national captain. 416 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: You are the captain of the Matilda's. There are certain 417 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: rules that you have to follow. 418 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: Totally. 419 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and if we did it, we'd be fined. 420 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely. We are not Sam Kurve. We're just kicking back 421 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: to that. We are not judges and we are not 422 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 2: Sam kerk But also one of my favorite parts of 423 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 2: this is that a reporter just happened to be at 424 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 2: the courts. Oh yeah, no, one got to tip off 425 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 2: about this. Someone has been at the courts reporting some 426 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: petty crime and gone. Is that? Is that Curvegin putting 427 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: that call into your news boss, I've a raise tomorrow. 428 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: Guys, just in the courtroom and Sam Kurz wandered in, ah. 429 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 2: Are we can we get a camera please? 430 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe of interest for the world's media here. 431 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: Now I hate even asking this question. Do you think 432 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 2: any of this has damaged the Matilda's brand that absolutely 433 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 2: skyrocketed in the last twelve months? 434 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: Oh? I think to be honest, I have two opinions 435 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: on this. I think one, it's cemented a very very 436 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: very large, probably majority of Matilda's fans to love her 437 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: even more, to consider her that icon with the crown 438 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: upon her head. I do think, though, is any of 439 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: her behavior befitting her status in the game. No. Now, 440 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: people will come at me being like, oh, we put 441 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: too much pressure on our athletes. They not all have 442 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: to be role models, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 443 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: But you are one. 444 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 2: You are remunerated very well, and I'm that money is 445 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: not a part of you happen to be very good 446 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 2: at this. But whether you like it or not, there 447 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 2: are young people around the country that have your name 448 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: on their back and your posters on their wall, and 449 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: they watch everything that you do. 450 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: Yes, So this is just a night out that's gone wrong, 451 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: an error of judgment that has been blown up now. 452 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: And I do think that there's part of that that 453 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: has damaged the Matilda's brand because you were able to 454 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: see all of those headlines in that first day when 455 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: we didn't know what she said of people jumping onto it. 456 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: Maybe and maybe that's you know, her being a victim 457 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: of Australia's tall poppy syndrome. Yes, when it's like, oh 458 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: my god, we found a chink in her arm. I 459 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: hang on a second, let's do that. Let's product product, product, product, product, 460 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: And those headlines do stay around, they hang around for 461 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: a little bit. 462 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: And let's just clarify. If she is found guilty, it 463 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: is so so unlikely that she is going to go 464 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: to jail. It's just what the maximum sentence is. It's 465 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: likely to be a fine. Yes, yes, which by the 466 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 2: way has no cap. 467 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 1: Yeah. 468 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: And given that it's very public that she owns millions 469 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 2: and millions of dollars a year, and the other the 470 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 2: thing is those millions are from. 471 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: Endorsements, see, and that's where I think again. 472 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: That's Nike, that's Uber. Ironically, Yeah, what if she didn't, 473 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: I'd been like, if I just got to. 474 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: Copyright, copyright it, copyright it, we will take half of 475 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: the royalties. 476 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: So insummation. This has brought to the forefront, I think, 477 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 2: questions about racism, yes, and what that actually means, how 478 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: we hold athletes, the expectations that we hold athletes to, 479 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: whether they're fair or not. And the fact that we 480 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 2: all jumped all over this before we actually knew what 481 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 2: she'd said, and then on the alleged words, there was 482 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: merchandise made with a phrase that's now been challenged, and 483 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: the fact that this happened a year ago somehow got 484 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 2: lost in the conversation. But what we do know about 485 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 2: Australian media is that some people don't follow it the 486 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 2: way that we do, and they'll go, Sam Kerr, isn't 487 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 2: she the one that said something racist to a cop? 488 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: Yeah? 489 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: And that damage stays and it stays forever. But this 490 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 2: story is not going anywhere. 491 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 1: We also have to remember here that you know this 492 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: Samkare is innocent until proven otherwise. Yes, one thousand percent, and. 493 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 2: Not the way the Australian media works. 494 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: At the moment, and this case is proof of that. 495 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: She was condemned in the first twenty four hours and 496 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: then she was celebrated. And I think for her as 497 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: a person, I think she's usually pretty good at staying 498 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: away from headlines. But that is tricky, that's tricky to navigate. 499 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: That's that's difficult. So we do hope that she is 500 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: okay and looking after herself and really really taking care 501 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: of that ac or so she can come back out 502 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: onto the pitch for the Matilda's. 503 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 2: Just elevate that, niece, Amy, We'll see you soon. 504 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: Tell me guess what time it is. 505 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: Oh, we're going to do something fun. It's fun fact time. 506 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 2: Woo woo woo. 507 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: And I found this fun. I've really really hyped this. 508 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: You have been talking about it for the better part 509 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 2: of a week, and it may may. 510 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: I may have gone a little bit too hard, but 511 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: I still love it. I still love it. 512 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: So jell me. 513 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: Do you know an NROL team called the West Tigers? 514 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 2: Correct? 515 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: Do you know that they have one back to back 516 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: wooden spoons. I do know that actually the fun fact 517 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: is related to this team, because with the West Tigers, 518 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: they're really trying to up the professionalism within the club. 519 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: And one way to do that is by shall we say, 520 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: implementing disincentives to not be professional. Okay, so they have 521 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: something which is called a punishment will and if you 522 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: are late to training, if you are late to a meeting, 523 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: if you are not training well enough, if your nutrition's off. 524 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: You know, I'm speculating with that one. But you have 525 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: to spin the wheel and you see what it lands on, 526 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: and then that's how you're punished. This happened to the 527 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: club captain Harpy Chorus Now, who was also a representative 528 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: of the new Southwest Blue Set of Origin team. He 529 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: was thirty seconds late to a team meeting, had to 530 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: spin the wheel and it landed on dye your hair 531 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: and now he's walking around with peroxide blonde hair. 532 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 2: Firstly, being late to a meeting isn't giving professional sport. Yeah, 533 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 2: Like I know for a fact that at some clubs 534 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 2: at high levels, like you can't be a second late 535 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 2: and walk in. You know, when the time is you 536 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: have to be there. You can't be late when the 537 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 2: saren goes. So this is just the way things are. 538 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 2: It's giving kindergarten to me. It's the inverse of the 539 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 2: Star chart. Oh little Johnny did his homework. Go put 540 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: a star on the chart. Good job, off, came late 541 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: for a meeting. We're gonna dye your hair ha ha 542 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 2: ha like your pardon. Yeah, and if I'm a Tiger's 543 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 2: fan back to back wooden spoons, I'm not there for lolls. 544 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 2: I'm not. Don't be peroxiding, sir, be doing push ups? No, no, 545 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: absolutely not. 546 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: Avoid the punishment wheels. 547 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: Be a good sam Curz on the punishment wheel.