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Speaker 1: Joining me live on the line is the Minister for

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Speaker 1: Logistics and Infrastructure, Bill Yan. Good morning, Bill.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie, Good morning to everyone on the top

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Speaker 2: end bell.

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Speaker 3: Was the power out at Parliament House?

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Speaker 2: Yes? It did.

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Speaker 4: Did the power drop out here for like.

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Speaker 2: A few seconds and before the emergency.

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Speaker 4: Generator kicked in. So I'm where.

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Speaker 2: I've got a message through from Power and Water that

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Speaker 2: a number of people in around Dale, between Daren and

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Speaker 2: cat Out. I do hear that some areas are coming

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Speaker 2: back on, which is good to see. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: know the incident management team with Power order of meeting

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Speaker 2: at the moment, and I suppose once you get more

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Speaker 2: of an idea from those guys, then we'll get a

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Speaker 2: bit of an idea. So most of the power I'm told

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Speaker 2: us back on in the urban areas, yeah, as you know,

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Speaker 2: some of those ruralers may take a little bit longer.

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Speaker 2: And of course still trying to figure out what that

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Speaker 2: causes only very short time. So as soon as we

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Speaker 2: find out, I suppose.

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Speaker 4: We'll be able to everybody know.

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Speaker 2: But we've got the crews out there doing everything they

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Speaker 2: can to restore power. But it was a localized fault.

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Speaker 2: I'm led to believe on the power Water network at

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Speaker 2: channel line, the trip generation and distribution. So as you said, Katie,

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Speaker 2: hopefully it's hasn't caughted and it caused any flow on effects.

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Speaker 2: We sincerely hope that it hasn't. Yeah, every body get

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Speaker 2: said power back on pretty quick.

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Speaker 1: Bell, I got to tell you I went through many years.

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Speaker 1: They're working well, both for Power and Order and also

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Speaker 1: for the Minister for Essential Services, and yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 1: never good when there's massive power outages like this. I

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Speaker 1: mean literally thousands of customers I would estimate based on

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Speaker 1: those suburbs, but no indication at this point in time

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Speaker 1: that it's you know that it's any sort of further

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Speaker 1: damage or you're sort of still waiting to hear as well.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I think we're all sort of getting the

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Speaker 2: same message. I think you're getting callers coming through. I'm

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Speaker 2: getting bippings from power Water, and as I know that

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Speaker 2: Minister Edgington is as well, because he's I'm the shareholding

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Speaker 2: minister and the h ol course is the minister responsible

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Speaker 2: for day to day operations here. So we're both getting

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Speaker 2: briefed as Power more than noting. So as we get information, Katie,

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Speaker 2: we're certainly happy to share what we can, but I

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Speaker 2: know that we've got most of the urban areas back,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, the rule will take a little bit longer.

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Speaker 2: I'm certainly hoping Katherine is back online asap.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, we'll certainly keep in contact with you about that, Minister.

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Speaker 1: Let's go across to the things that we invited you

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Speaker 1: on the show to talk about this morning, though, we

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Speaker 1: spoke yesterday about some really serious concerns around rock throwing

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Speaker 1: incidents in Catherine, after we'd heard earlier this week about

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Speaker 1: one truck driver's windscreen being shattered after rocks were thrown

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Speaker 1: near the Catherine Bridge.

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Speaker 3: Now it is a worry, there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: We've seen similar situations in Alice Springs and Tenant Creek

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Speaker 1: over the year, but the police confirmed yesterday there's been

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Speaker 1: eleven incidents over the last two weeks. I mean, are

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Speaker 1: we going to wind up in a situation here wherein

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Speaker 1: needs to be police or security escorts near Catherine.

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Speaker 2: I certainly hope not, Katie, and we never want to

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Speaker 2: see a repeated that incident in Central Australia where the

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Speaker 2: tow truck driver on a call out helping police had

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Speaker 2: his window down and got hit in the eye at

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Speaker 2: the driving on the traffic lights. Nowlson lost his eye.

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Speaker 2: That was absolutely tragic, and of course at the consequences

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Speaker 2: are far far reaching, and this is the same I

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Speaker 2: suppose at the end of the day, And Katherine, Katie,

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Speaker 2: these kids don't understand the danger that they're putting the

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Speaker 2: community and people in We all know what the ability

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Speaker 2: are for the cause and what can happen when these

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Speaker 2: things happen. But I know the police have been working

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Speaker 2: from what I'm told, I working with children and Fambers

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Speaker 2: and the Circuit Breaker team and klin our Youth patrol too,

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Speaker 2: Because they seem to think it's fun, Katie, trust me,

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Speaker 2: it's not bloody fun. No, the consequences can be catastrophic

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Speaker 2: and these kids need to understand that. So the police

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Speaker 2: know have obtained some images of the people that they

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Speaker 2: have interest in responsible for this. So let's hope that

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Speaker 2: dangerous behavior and it's not only the the cause of fatality.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, And it's not only the danger element,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've seen that and this has happened in Tenant,

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Speaker 2: it happens in Alice, and they said it's high risk,

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Speaker 2: dangerous behavior that these kids seem to think it's fun

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Speaker 2: and we know that it's not. So I know the

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Speaker 2: police are doing as much as I can down our

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Speaker 2: way to try and deal with this. It's so hard

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Speaker 2: to deal with, Katie, but it's getting out there. And

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Speaker 2: if we're going to identify those kids, engage with those

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Speaker 2: if need be going further, if there needs to be

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Speaker 2: Because we've seen it in the States where people throwing

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Speaker 2: and I believe has happened here in Australia. We don't

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Speaker 1: Kadi, We absolutely don't, absolutely don't.

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Speaker 3: Minister. Let's move along.

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Speaker 1: I know the Government's introduce the Transport Legislation Amendment Bill

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Speaker 1: in an effort to modernize outdated transport laws, closed safety

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Speaker 3: Now this bill.

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Speaker 1: Includes stronger penalties for repeat offenders, such as culmative licensed

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Speaker 1: disqualifications for drink and drug drivers. Can you explain to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, Katie, this is like a good change in

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Speaker 2: this was something that the Department along would Police put together.

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Speaker 2: So the way that you used to work, if you

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Speaker 2: it can. That's the way the law was written.

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Speaker 4: You would serve.

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Speaker 2: Those offenses concurrently. So if you'd done one and you're

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Speaker 2: and you've done another one or done a heat together,

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Speaker 2: then you would serve them concurrently, so that all be

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Speaker 2: put together, you might do six months or twelve months

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Speaker 4: Now what the change would.

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Speaker 2: For those people who repeatedly commit offenses in this space

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Speaker 2: the courts now, oh excuse me, katie, they can Now

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Speaker 2: they can do these offenses cumulatively. So if you get

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Speaker 2: done once and you get done again, then you get

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Speaker 2: done again and again and again. Rather than putting all

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Speaker 2: those offenses together and giving you one penalty of law,

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Speaker 2: they say, well, you would have got three months for

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Speaker 2: they can add them all together. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: These people who are repeat defenders may be off the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So when are you expecting this to become operational, like,

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Speaker 1: when's it going to kick in?

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Speaker 2: Well, the legislation has passed Parliament, now it has to

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Speaker 2: go over to the administrative for a cent. That takes

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a time period for that to happen,

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Speaker 2: and then effectively, Katie, it becomes laws were open to

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Speaker 2: see this out and operational within three or four weeks,

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Speaker 2: that would be my hope. We need to then be

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Speaker 2: able to give, of course, the courts the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: understand they've been consulted as part of this, but then

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Speaker 2: apply it. Because these repeat defenders, we know there's heaps

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Speaker 2: of them out there and drinking, drug driving is then

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Speaker 2: one killers on our own. What we need to deal

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Speaker 2: this is one step and dealing with that issue.

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Speaker 3: Minister, it's not the only change.

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Speaker 1: We know that there's also going to be increased powers

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Speaker 3: How are you going to.

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Speaker 1: Ensure that those measures sort of strike the right balance

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Speaker 2: Well well our public transfer safety off I have already

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Speaker 2: been able to use OC spray kase they've had that

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Speaker 2: Couple of changes in the legislation we've done for the

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Speaker 4: A more targeted product.

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Speaker 2: So rather than a spray, which is more of an aerosolt,

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Speaker 2: can float around and other people may be affected rather

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Speaker 2: more direct the jail is much more targeted. But the

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Speaker 2: other piece that we introduced was how safety officers were

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Speaker 4: The leave, we'll get off the bus or to your

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Speaker 2: So we've made the change to the legislation where they

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Speaker 2: can determine if a person is about to commit an

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Speaker 2: have to wait for that offense to happen, So that's

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Speaker 2: a that's a game change, a katie, So they don't

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Speaker 2: Belief that someone is imminent or about.

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Speaker 4: To be assaulted, they can step in and deal with

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Speaker 2: Do it relatively to get off the bus or stop

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Speaker 2: be a little bit proactive in dealing with those matters

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Speaker 2: which would be.

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Speaker 3: Great, Minister.

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Speaker 1: I know we're pressed for time. You've got to get

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Speaker 1: into Parliament. I've got a few listener questions in a moment.

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Speaker 1: But I am a little confused when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the government's introducing amendments to the Police Administration Act today

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Speaker 1: to formally create the position of the Police Public Safety Officer.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're hoping to see the majority of our PPSO

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Speaker 4: Across to PPSOS.

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Speaker 2: We're certainly hoping that the majority do because it'll be

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Speaker 4: But those that don't can remain in the job.

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Speaker 2: But they still need that legislative change. Minister those legislative powers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is that sort of really what's happening here though,

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the information sessions have been going out

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Speaker 1: Yep, all right, Minister. A few listener questions. I got

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Speaker 1: one yesterday, Katie. Could you please help clear up the

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Speaker 1: mixed messages I'm getting in relation to all the new

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Speaker 1: What's the go exactly, Minister.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we made that announcement a little while ago.

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Speaker 2: About the changes to inspections we're now working through, I

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Speaker 4: So we're working through that.

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Speaker 2: Another department is so hopefully we'll see that rolling out

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Speaker 4: Information on that.

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Speaker 2: But it's a piece of work that's on the way.

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Speaker 2: As soon as we can. The department's been pretty busy

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Speaker 1: So another listener question, so if my car is two

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Speaker 3: When does it take effect?

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Speaker 2: Well, and that will be we said once we make

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Speaker 2: now as if your vehicle's been out of regio for

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Speaker 2: and a regio inspection. So we're working through I said

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Speaker 3: All right, Minister, I know you pressed for time.

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Speaker 1: A lot of discussion yesterday though about the state of

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's sort of it goes past politics.

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Speaker 1: I think when you're talking about our roads and when

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you look at the size of our

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Speaker 2: road network, Katie, it's absolutely enormous. We know that seventy

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Speaker 2: percent of our raids are unsealed, but we get money

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Speaker 2: I don't think it is part of the issue. We

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Speaker 2: they've been patched and patched. The federal government comes to

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Speaker 2: We're trying to pick up some of those dirt roads

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Speaker 2: that were damage during those two bare wets. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: it takes a little bit of time and the budgety

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Speaker 4: Try out four billion dollars to do all the raids,

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Speaker 2: Just we don't have the money.

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Speaker 4: So we're working through a lot of those.

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Speaker 2: As we can, and particularly those critical ones. The one

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Speaker 2: the states have is that when there's damage to road

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Speaker 2: than just getting the money to fix save, the same

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Speaker 2: is to upgrade. I know there's a part on the

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Speaker 2: Stewart Highway there needs and decree. Every time we have

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Speaker 4: Out and it's miserable.

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Speaker 2: So rather than just giving us the money to fix

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Speaker 2: it as what it was, we'll stump up a few

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Speaker 2: more bucks so we can actually go in and do

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Speaker 2: the repairs so we don't have to come back and

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Speaker 2: fix it next year. So the Common author are working

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Speaker 2: on that with us, which is good to see.

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Speaker 1: Minister a really quick one to finish off from Clayton.

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Speaker 1: He wants to know, Katie, could you please ask Minister

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Speaker 1: Gan why these of the road between blythe River and

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Speaker 1: ram and Ginning hasn't been graded for nearly two years

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Speaker 1: and why it currently doesn't have a grading contract in place.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'd have to take that one, I noticed, Katy.

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Speaker 2: I'm not specifically sure about that exact exact part of

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Speaker 2: of the woods, but I don't have that information off

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Speaker 2: the top of my head. But I'm happy to go

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Speaker 2: back and ask the department and provide a response back

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Speaker 2: to you so that you can let it know.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like a planned bill. Yan Minister for Logistics and Infrastructure,

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Speaker 1: also Treasurer of the Northern Territory. Thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: your time this morning. I'll let you get into parliament

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Speaker 1: jeers k.

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Speaker 3: Do you have a great day you too, Thank you