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Speaker 1: Not only is it Camp Quality Radio Auction Day, but

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Speaker 1: it is time for the week that was. And joining

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Speaker 1: me in the studio this morning the Deputy Opposition Leader

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Speaker 1: Jered Meylee.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 3: We have got nine News Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, Good morning Kathleen.

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Speaker 4: Morning everyone.

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Speaker 1: Well, lovely to have you in the studio. We've got

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Speaker 1: Keysier Puric, the Independent member for Goida.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, morning Katie.

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Speaker 5: Morning Bush people.

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Speaker 1: And we've got Labour's Naria Kid who is indeed the

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Speaker 1: Minister for Corporate and Digital Development.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 6: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 3: Now great to have you all in the studio.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into the serious issues of the week.

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Speaker 1: It is, of course Camp Quality Radio Auction Day. It

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Speaker 1: is the day we're both us here at Mix one

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Speaker 1: oh four nine and also at Hot one hundred, the

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Speaker 1: young People's station across the hallway. We scrap the normal

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Speaker 1: sort of programming throughout the morning to raise money for

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Speaker 1: Camp Quality, and all money raised stage right here in

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. Now, as we all know, Camp Quality

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Speaker 1: does help kids and families to build optimism and resilience

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Speaker 1: towards the cancer experience. It is all about. It is

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Speaker 1: all through community education at a huge dose of fun.

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Speaker 7: Now, Jared Maylee, last year you donated a real territory

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Speaker 7: experience for us, didn't you.

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Speaker 2: You got me laughing there, sorry, And I ultimately donated

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Speaker 2: a half day pig hunt, which basically leaves on a

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Speaker 2: at one o'clock from humping you do cabin on a

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Speaker 2: on a Sunday or a Saturday, and get back there

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Speaker 2: about seven pm for two people. So I'm happy to

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Speaker 2: do that again this week. So someone wants to come

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Speaker 2: out for a real experience. You'll get myself and my

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Speaker 2: brother a lawyer. So you get a lawyer and a politician.

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Speaker 3: Advice and you can escape escape.

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Speaker 2: You come out for the afternoon, have to throw one

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Speaker 2: rider in with his rain bounds, probably spread the pigs

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Speaker 2: a little bit, so I we'll still go for a

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Speaker 2: look around, all right.

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Speaker 1: So a half day pig hunt, now, tell us again

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Speaker 1: what it includes.

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Speaker 2: So basically what it includes is a tour of McKinley

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Speaker 2: station and we're just down near the bar cut. We

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Speaker 2: leave the hup you do shopping center at one pm

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Speaker 2: on a Saturday or a Sunday, and we get back

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Speaker 2: about seven, and your freshmans and you and your friend. Well,

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Speaker 2: I don't drink when we're out there, but you can

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Speaker 2: bring if you want, some soft drinks down on our

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Speaker 2: go and alcohol together, but very sensible. Bring some beers

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Speaker 2: when you finish, if you want to, that's fine. And

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Speaker 2: then ultimately we go for a look around and we'll

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Speaker 2: probably see some well buffalo.

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Speaker 5: The fishing chuck a line in somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Well, there are a couple of fishing spots. There also

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Speaker 2: a lot of crocodile, so caful about that.

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Speaker 3: So all right, I reckon this is going to go off.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to start the bidding at five hundred dollars

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Speaker 1: on my husband's behalf, Patrick. I think that he would

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Speaker 1: like to win this peak hunt. He went out last

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Speaker 1: year and said it was the best. He had an

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Speaker 1: absolute ball. So I reckon, I'll start at five hundred dollars.

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Speaker 1: If there is anybody out.

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Speaker 5: There, Kathleen should put inside.

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Speaker 1: All right, mate, we could go well, let's start at

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Speaker 1: five hundred.

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Speaker 3: We'll see where we land. Yeah, all right, so Kathleen

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Speaker 3: and I'll start there now.

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Speaker 1: If you do want to call through, if you want

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Speaker 1: to play a bid on that auction item, nine one

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Speaker 1: O four nine. Now, Keysier, I understand you've also got

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Speaker 1: something very very.

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Speaker 5: Unique, exceptionally unique. I know our heart have exceptionally unique.

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Speaker 5: It's either unique or not.

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Speaker 3: But anyway that aside, ye I have.

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Speaker 5: I will donate a cubic meter or a box trailer

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Speaker 5: load of yard manure which is organic, gluten free and

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Speaker 5: vegan friendly. So for the lefties out my lefty friends

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Speaker 3: ABE, you might like that one. I think the Chief

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Speaker 5: This is this organic, gluten free, vegan friendly yard man.

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Speaker 2: You would just go perfect in her garden.

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Speaker 1: I've seen writing some notes over there. She might be

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Speaker 1: taking note for one of those off tonight, so.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 5: Share the microphone and then so and I'm happy to deliver.

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Speaker 5: I've got a box trailer myself, all right.

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Speaker 3: And you're happy to deliver it this year as well.

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Speaker 5: Not down to down river though, be said about it.

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Speaker 5: That probably got their own yard manure.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So all right, So eight nine four one one

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Speaker 5: Organic, gluten free, vegan friendly yard. We got a lot

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Speaker 5: of trouble to appeal to all these weirdos out there.

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Speaker 3: Oh goodness me so alright, alright, Well, I don't even

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Speaker 1: At at well, my bid basically for the pig hunt,

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Speaker 1: for the half day pig hunt eight nine four one

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Speaker 1: Someone Greg from parap Tho has just messaged and said

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Speaker 1: a politician offering shit?

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Speaker 3: Does that mean you're putting a bit in grad?

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Speaker 5: Has it for the.

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Speaker 3: Well coming from Parliament House?

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Speaker 5: Perhaps you've got someone out that you don't like, Greg,

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Speaker 5: and I can deliver it to them.

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Speaker 1: awfully lot happening. And well we've just learned early this

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Speaker 1: morning that, following a review into the use of spi

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Speaker 1: hoods in the Northern Territory, watchhouses are decisions being made

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Speaker 1: to cease their youth use. I should say on youths

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Speaker 1: in police custody. Now, while the use of spit hoods

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Speaker 1: hoods will remain available as an option for adults in custody,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, thanks, Katie. Spitboards are always a sensitive and contentious issue,

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Speaker 6: So I think the statement basically says a lot of

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Speaker 8: It comes down to falling into line with other jurisdictions

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Speaker 8: So you know, it's really important to remember that police

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Speaker 8: We did bring in harsher penalties to hold people to

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Speaker 8: making sure that police do still have the ability to

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Speaker 6: So unfortunately, some people do continue to spit.

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Speaker 2: I think the answer is quite simple. If you don't

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Speaker 2: It also seems that they haven't asked the people who

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Speaker 5: The fact that those people there in custody in the

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Speaker 2: Exactly, if you don't want to get spirit, don't spit.

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Speaker 1: And Association has just issued a statement and said that

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Speaker 1: spithoods are used as an option of last resort to

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Speaker 1: They continue by saying, we've previously said, in the absence

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Speaker 5: And this is the whole face that has to be protected.

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Speaker 5: It's just not like a mask of your nose and mouth.

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Speaker 6: And so.

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Speaker 5: If the Police Association says they haven't been consulted yet,

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Speaker 5: the spinwoos have got to go, well, that's leaving our

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Speaker 5: And the fact that the government hasn't consulted yet again, it.

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Speaker 4: Such a simple step. I mean it personally, I mean

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Speaker 5: Because they're not organized trying.

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Speaker 2: To arrest the youth who's violent, who's coming on drugs

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Speaker 2: mask of full body suit gloves. How would you do

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Speaker 1: In face It's definitely worth noting that, you know, the

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Speaker 1: amount that the split hoods are used is obviously very minimal.

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Speaker 1: Like it, it isn't very often that they're used in

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Speaker 1: any way. Nobody really thinks that they should be used

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Speaker 1: or need to be used, But the fact is they're

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Speaker 1: but even you know, we're talking last Friday morning, I'd

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Speaker 2: It's clearly this decision is made by someone who hasn't

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Speaker 5: Well we know only too clearly because the story has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we can ask the minister who was consultant.

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Speaker 3: All right, we might get ready to take a very

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Speaker 1: Before we do that, let's not forget that the camp

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Speaker 1: Quality radio auction is indeed on. Just got a message

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Speaker 2: Kennyge not come back.

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Speaker 3: For a long time, all right, So six hundred dollars.

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Speaker 1: I will just make sure that Sarah and and Crystal

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Speaker 1: Six hundred dollars now sitting with Kenny vals for the

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Speaker 1: So that number if you do want to call through

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Speaker 1: I reckon and then somebody's message through fifty dollars for

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Speaker 5: Adrian, Adrian, it's more than that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's for the kids.

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Speaker 5: It's for the kids. I can't travel all that way

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Speaker 6: It's going to be.

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Speaker 3: It's going to need to be more, a bit more now.

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Speaker 5: And don't forget agent, you've got to shovel it off

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's not a oh it sounds like a job.

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Speaker 1: No, let me just take you across to a bit of

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Speaker 1: area if possible. Now let's talk about the minimum flow price.

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Speaker 1: We know that the three year evaluation of the minimum

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you yesterday when this news came out,

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Speaker 6: I reckon.

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Speaker 1: Out of you know, the hundreds of comments that we got,

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Speaker 3: The large majority was saying, if this.

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Speaker 1: Is working, why are we continuing to see such anti

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Speaker 1: social behavior around the place. Why are we seeing bottles

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Speaker 1: of empty gym beam rum yellowtail? Why are we seeing

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Speaker 3: If it is working, why are we still seeing these issues?

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Speaker 2: In fact, we're actually seeing more glass on the roads now,

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Speaker 2: Like ill rite my pushbike around the line. I wrote

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Speaker 2: my view, and I think the evidence backs this up,

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Speaker 5: I honestly don't understand how the government could come out

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Speaker 5: But more importantly, Katie, is what methodology did they use?

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Speaker 5: in regards to how they got to this position of

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Speaker 5: declaring what they've declared. Because I'm with Jared, is our

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Speaker 5: it's happened, Katie. It's happened all across the charity over

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Speaker 5: to say that it's working, I just think it's rubbish.

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Speaker 5: It's not working, never has never's going to work.

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Speaker 1: Would you say that it is working in an electorate

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Speaker 1: have you know that harm has minimized and anti social

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Speaker 8: We continue to have our own social issues out there

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Speaker 8: like every other Electric Katie. We are seeing well, I

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Speaker 8: personally have seen a bit more glass being broken around,

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Speaker 8: it's either fun or I don't know why people are

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Speaker 8: behaving like that, but it's absolutely unacceptable. But what's really

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Speaker 8: important is that we all do understand that alcohol is

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Speaker 8: having a long standing detrimental effect. And what's really sad

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Speaker 8: we can do is try and wrap around support services

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Speaker 8: and encourage them to make better decisions. So we've got

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Speaker 1: Look, I guess it was just yesterday it got to

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Speaker 1: When it's in the same sort of week that we're

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Speaker 5: Just as jumping katey. Isn't it the same week that

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Speaker 5: So clearly that's not getting better. And I'm not picking

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Speaker 5: we're actually seeing an increase on escalation of problems and

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Speaker 5: But this flow proce thing, it's not working because you're

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Speaker 4: Look, I also we're saying, I mean three months ago,

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Speaker 4: I mean, doctor Boffer has said, why didn't the government

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Speaker 1: done with the minimum unit price, where something that does

443
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Speaker 1: seem to work is the pali's obviously on those bottle shops.

444
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Speaker 1: But then we'd heard from the Police Association earlier this week.

445
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Speaker 1: You know, there was two hundred and seventeen refusals a

446
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Speaker 1: day when that Stronger Futures legislation first ended. So we've

447
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Speaker 1: now got a situation where there's a lot of people

448
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Speaker 1: being refused alcohol each and every day in Alice Springs,

449
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Speaker 1: largely because they are already intoxicated being refused alcohol. But

450
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Speaker 1: then people are starting to question as well if we

451
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Speaker 1: should still have those palis on bottle shops. Now we're

452
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Speaker 1: a if we're in a situation where as Paul mceew

453
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Speaker 1: had said on Monday on the show, where they've only

454
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Speaker 1: got fifteen of them. As I understand it, Martin Dole,

455
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Speaker 1: the Assistant Commissioner, had told me yesterday that that number

456
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Speaker 1: was higher in the twenties, I think, But they're funded

457
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Speaker 1: for forty one or forty two in Alice Springs. We're

458
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Speaker 1: not at that rate at the moment. So in some

459
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Speaker 1: cases constables are then doing that job. Shouldn't those constables

460
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Speaker 1: be out walking the streets and you know, and doing

461
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Speaker 1: those patrols that people are calling for the.

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Speaker 2: Police to do. Well, the labor gum and dropping the

463
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Speaker 2: ball here. We know that there should be about forty

464
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Speaker 2: or fifty of those palies. We know they do a

465
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Speaker 2: great job right through from Catherine Tenant Creek and our

466
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Speaker 2: of springs and our springs is out of control at

467
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Speaker 2: the moment. And I remember other listen to the radio

468
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Speaker 2: where ka Warden says the first time if you' seens

469
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Speaker 2: public drinking, well, I can take you one kilometer from

470
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Speaker 2: here and right now at nine point thirty and I

471
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Speaker 2: reckon I could find you some public drinking in an

472
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Speaker 2: open space. So it just really shows that the labor

473
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Speaker 2: government had dropped the ball and these palis should be

474
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Speaker 2: on the doing the body stop and the constable should

475
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Speaker 2: be able to walk in the streets. So instead, because

476
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Speaker 2: the government can't feel these positions that the constables are

477
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Speaker 2: in there doing on the bottle shop are not out

478
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Speaker 2: there being a visually walking up and down the streets.

479
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Speaker 2: Because holdimately, in my view, if to stop a crime,

480
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Speaker 2: you need to get caught, and if you're going to

481
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Speaker 2: know you're going to get caught, that'll stop you doing it.

482
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Speaker 2: And if you see police walking up and around and

483
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Speaker 2: doing their job and doing this, and they do a

484
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Speaker 2: great job, they're under some very very difficult circumstances, and

485
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Speaker 2: I really support the police. That Don't get me wrong.

486
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that the police don't do a good job.

487
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Speaker 2: They do a great job. What I'm saying is the

488
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Speaker 2: labor government have dropped the ball on this whole alcohol

489
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Speaker 2: situation through the territory, and alcohol and any social behavior

490
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Speaker 2: is going through the roof. It's affecting businesses, it's affecting tourism,

491
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Speaker 2: and enough's enough, and it's just not good enough.

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Speaker 1: Look, I don't know, you know, no matter how you

493
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Speaker 1: look at it, I think at this point in time,

494
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Speaker 1: we all understand that we've got some really serious issues

495
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Speaker 1: when it comes to that antisocial behavior, public drunkenness. You know,

496
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Speaker 1: that two kilometer rule gets floated all the time. One

497
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Speaker 1: of the things that I also wondered with the with

498
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Speaker 1: this review is, you know, has it looked at things

499
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Speaker 1: like if it's no longer an offense? And I know

500
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Speaker 1: the governments it pains to say that it is still

501
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Speaker 1: an offense to drink within a two kilometer area of

502
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Speaker 1: a you know, of a takeaway liquor outlet. But the

503
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Speaker 1: thing is it's now treated as a medical issue rather

504
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Speaker 1: than a criminal issue. So things like that being looked

505
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Speaker 1: at as well. And I think that you know, at

506
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, you can sort of make

507
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Speaker 1: statistics work for you, however you need them to work

508
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Speaker 1: for you, and however you spin them. But right now,

509
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Speaker 1: you know, the public is saying, well, hang on a second,

510
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Speaker 1: we don't actually think this is working.

511
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Speaker 4: Now.

512
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you should scrap everything. I certainly

513
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Speaker 1: don't think that's the case. I do think that you've

514
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Speaker 1: got to, you know, you've got to take a really

515
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Speaker 1: sort of methodical approach and find out what he is

516
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Speaker 1: working and what isn't working. But I do think that

517
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Speaker 1: if we're saying that the minimum unit price is working

518
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Speaker 1: and that's why we're going to keep it in place,

519
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Speaker 1: and it's doing this, that and the other, well is

520
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Speaker 1: the BDR working and are those other measures working?

521
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Speaker 4: That's what I don't understand. You put that to the government,

522
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Speaker 4: why not review the BDR, which you know was brought

523
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Speaker 4: back in once they came back into power. They've just

524
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Speaker 4: updated the technology and by all accounts, businesses are very

525
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Speaker 4: happy with that. But why not make it better that

526
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Speaker 4: police can access that real time data or other businesses

527
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Speaker 4: can access if someone else on the BDR has tried

528
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Speaker 4: to act like buy it from one venue because they

529
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Speaker 4: just move around and get it from where they can. Like,

530
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Speaker 4: there's just deems deficiencies with it that could make it better,

531
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Speaker 4: So why not review it and do that.

532
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Speaker 6: It's a really good point, Kathleen.

533
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Speaker 8: And as the Minister for Corporate and Digital Development, it

534
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Speaker 8: was my department that created the software and rolled out

535
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Speaker 8: those iPads, which has been going over really well. You know,

536
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Speaker 8: we do listen to the retailers, we listen to the

537
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Speaker 8: licensees about the issues. We look at how we can

538
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Speaker 8: have the best performing systems that meet up with you know,

539
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Speaker 8: that keep up with the needs of the territory and

540
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Speaker 8: so continuing to look at and hearing that feedback about

541
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Speaker 8: how we can make it better is absolutely critical. But

542
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Speaker 8: I just want to go back to what Jared was

543
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Speaker 8: saying as well, Katie, like, our police do an amazing job,

544
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Speaker 8: and so do our palies, but we do have we

545
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Speaker 8: can't just pull police out of the air. They do

546
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Speaker 8: an incredible job, especially out in my electorate, and I

547
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Speaker 8: know that they're really under the pump and they really

548
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Speaker 8: are doing an incredible job. But what happens is they're

549
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Speaker 8: often called out to lower level incidents of antisocial behavior

550
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Speaker 8: where people allowed and they're arguing with one another, so

551
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Speaker 8: it's not a crime. So we need to find a way,

552
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Speaker 8: which is what we're tackling, is how we can get

553
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Speaker 8: our police to best serve us and look after the

554
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Speaker 8: community and keep themselves safe in the best manner. So

555
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Speaker 8: going out to anti social behavior incidents is not always

556
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Speaker 8: helpful and they're not required with their expertise and their training.

557
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Speaker 8: And that's why I pushed really hard to work with

558
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Speaker 8: Neptune Anti to roll out the Public Order Response Unit.

559
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Speaker 8: How can we get a local security patrol as a

560
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Speaker 8: bit of a pilot to see if we could help

561
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Speaker 8: make a difference so that police are freed up from

562
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Speaker 8: the menial arguments and they.

563
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Speaker 6: Could go out and respond to crime and the car

564
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Speaker 6: accidents that you just mean.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon?

566
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Speaker 1: Though then there's if that's the case in a place

567
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Speaker 1: like Karama, should we be looking at doing something like

568
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Speaker 1: that in a place like Alice Springs where things are

569
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Speaker 1: ass a really difficult point.

570
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Speaker 2: Right now, right across the teritory, we're a crime and

571
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Speaker 2: social behavior no matter where you go, and it's affecting businesses,

572
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Speaker 2: it's affecting territorians, and it's enough's enough.

573
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Speaker 5: And some are like Alice Springs and the Tenant Creeks

574
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Speaker 5: that they're they're hit the worst, the worst of all

575
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Speaker 5: of the turritory from what I read, from what I

576
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Speaker 5: talk to people about, and from what I see, and

577
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Speaker 5: as I've said before, I think on this show, they

578
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 5: really need to have First of all, I've got to

579
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Speaker 5: admit there's a problem in other springs and the government

580
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Speaker 5: is not doing that. You can't address the problem unless

581
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Speaker 5: you admit that you have a problem. So they're not

582
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Speaker 5: admitting there's a problem in Olla Springs when clearly there is,

583
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Speaker 5: and yes it's not the whole town's going crazy and gratuitously,

584
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Speaker 5: you know, wrecking things and being violent. There's there's They

585
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Speaker 5: know who they are. They're big groups of families or

586
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Speaker 5: relationships or friends or whatever from within the town or

587
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Speaker 5: from with the communities.

588
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Speaker 3: Or of both.

589
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Speaker 5: So they actually know that locals know who the whole

590
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 5: groups are. So they need to address the problem that

591
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 5: you've got a problem, and whether it needs to have

592
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Speaker 5: a curfew in place where it needs to have a

593
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 5: state of emergency, which is at the top, and then

594
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Speaker 5: come down. Because I can recall palm Island was in

595
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Speaker 5: a bad situation a few years back and the Queensland

596
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 5: government declared a state of emergency and from there they

597
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Speaker 5: tackle the problems and got it sorted out and resolved.

598
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Speaker 5: So unless this government admits we have a problem with

599
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Speaker 5: Alice Springs and possibly Tenant Creek or let's just say

600
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Speaker 5: Central Australia, that won't be a better way to do it,

601
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Speaker 5: then they're not going to move forward.

602
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Speaker 3: It's not going to move forward. What do you reckon?

603
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Speaker 8: I think what's really important Katie is looking at local

604
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 8: solutions to local problems. So from Instagram, I can't speak

605
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Speaker 8: on behalf of every resident, absolutely.

606
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Speaker 3: And I do have.

607
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Speaker 8: I'm always looking out for the well being of everybody

608
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 8: right across the territory, which is my cabinet minister responsibility.

609
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 8: It's actually my duty as a human being, let alone

610
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Speaker 8: as a politician. But I'm not the expert. I don't

611
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 8: live on the ground in Alice Springs. I live on

612
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Speaker 8: the ground in Karama. I've grown up in malayc That's

613
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 8: been my community for the better part of you know

614
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 8: and a half three decades. So looking at what's happening

615
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 8: there and then looking at those localized solutions. So I

616
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 8: encourage everybody if you have good ideas about what you

617
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 8: think could work in the area, that's exactly what we're

618
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 8: looking for.

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Speaker 2: That's what And you've had powerfuls you know, the last

620
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Speaker 2: six years in a row and basically seventy of the

621
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Speaker 2: last twenty. Is how long is it going to take

622
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Speaker 2: you to fix the problem? It seems to be getting worse,

623
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: not better.

624
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Speaker 3: And at the moment we have got a situation. Obviously,

625
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Speaker 3: we spoke last week about the Central Australian Tourism Body

626
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Speaker 3: you know, basically saying that things are they need control

627
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Speaker 3: taken right now.

628
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Speaker 1: In Alice Springs, we also, though even this week, had

629
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Speaker 1: the Chamber of Commerce come out in a blast to

630
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Speaker 1: all of their you know, to all of their stakeholders,

631
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Speaker 1: saying that it is obvious to all of us based

632
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Speaker 1: in the territory that crime rates, particularly in Central Australia

633
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: and the Barkley region, are running at crisis levels, and

634
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Speaker 1: that many of these acts are committed by children who

635
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: are roaming the streets without any form of parental control.

636
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Speaker 1: The reality is that many of the children are at

637
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Speaker 1: risk of violence, abuse or accidental harm in the absence

638
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: of a functioning family environment. So just to take me

639
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: through a couple of the you know, a couple of

640
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: the comments from businesses, So one of them was crime

641
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: and anti social behavior have taken a huge financial and

642
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: emotional toll on my business. This year, I've had to

643
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: spend one hundred and seventy thousand dollars on upgraded fencing,

644
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: repairing broken windows, and employing extra security. In addition, there's

645
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: a drop in return business caused by safety fears of

646
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: my clientele. My staff face abuse assaults causing mental anguish,

647
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Speaker 1: and this includes my security guards who are also often

648
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Speaker 1: the victim. Another one in Alice Springs said, as a

649
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Speaker 1: business owner in Alice Springs, I'm deeply concerned about the

650
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: impact the ongoing crime and anti social behavior is having

651
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Speaker 1: on my business and to be honest, the future of

652
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Speaker 1: my business. It has most certainly escalated in the last

653
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Speaker 1: eighteen months. So obviously this impact affects my ability to

654
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Speaker 1: earn any ongoing few income, thus affecting my family and employees.

655
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Speaker 3: Now that's on top of.

656
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Speaker 1: You know, Daniel Rochford saying to us that there are

657
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Speaker 1: people going to bed at night in Alice Springs who

658
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: are scared of what is going to happen, like I

659
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Speaker 1: you know, I guess I've tried, you know, being really

660
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Speaker 1: bluntly honest about it on air. You try being really

661
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Speaker 1: you know, really kind of measured about it.

662
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Speaker 3: But I just don't know how to sort of Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: A labor government just ignoring the problem. They've got, like

664
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Speaker 2: Keys said, they've got to admit the problem and then

665
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Speaker 2: fix it. And at the moment the government seem to

666
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Speaker 2: set these policies and forget about it and think, well

667
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Speaker 2: that's it. We've done the best we can. And the

668
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Speaker 2: minister said asking for you know, people's come with what

669
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Speaker 2: can we do to help? Well, the government is the government.

670
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Speaker 2: They've got the leaders, they've got the experts, they've got

671
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Speaker 2: the power to make the changes. They've got to do

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Speaker 2: something about it.

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Speaker 1: You know, when we keep hearing it's really complex and

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Speaker 1: there is so many complexities, Well how about we just

675
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Speaker 1: knock it back down a peek and make it really

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Speaker 1: easy for everybody to understand.

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Speaker 3: We've got to sort this out. We have to sort

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Speaker 3: it out urgently.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if like and for the government, if it's

680
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Speaker 1: not going to be something that they listened to, you know,

681
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Speaker 1: based on what normal humans are saying and the way

682
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Speaker 1: that it's impacting them, it's gonna have an impact on

683
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Speaker 1: you at the next election.

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Speaker 4: Well, the thing is, I was really intrigued by what

685
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Speaker 4: Nari said that it's a pilot program. There's security in Karama.

686
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Speaker 4: I hadn't heard that that was a pilot program because

687
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you look at you hear from

688
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Speaker 4: Shelley Zacholi Ida, she's having to pay for her own security.

689
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Speaker 4: And the situation in your electric NRI is that they're

690
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Speaker 4: getting government funding towards that. And then in our Springs

691
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Speaker 4: we've got the issue. The optics isn't great given that

692
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Speaker 4: you're in cabinet in Zacoli, it's Lea Finocchiaro's Electric Ala

693
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Speaker 4: Springs is primarily a CLP opposition aside from Robin and

694
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Speaker 4: obviously Chancy.

695
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Speaker 3: So it doesn't look good. No.

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Speaker 8: Yes, So I've been working with gene NT since they

697
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Speaker 8: took over the contract at Karama Shopping Plaza I think

698
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Speaker 8: February last year, so about eighteen months. Within about four

699
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Speaker 8: weeks they'd had experienced a number of serious incidents in

700
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Speaker 8: relation to bad behavior at the shops, and we sat

701
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Speaker 8: down from the get go and said, how do we

702
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Speaker 8: work together to try and make things safer for the community,

703
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Speaker 8: for the shopping center, for the wider community.

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Speaker 4: They've been sooling out for something to happen, absolutely, which

705
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Speaker 4: is great that there is something happening there because we

706
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Speaker 4: had done many, many stories absolutely from Karama and Malac

707
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Speaker 4: residents crying out for something. But just the fact that

708
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Speaker 4: it's been very much just focused on that electorate rather

709
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Speaker 4: than a broader territory approach because we've got this massive process.

710
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Speaker 8: So we put a pilot and I'm glad to see

711
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Speaker 8: that it's extended for another thirteen expected to.

712
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Speaker 4: Be promoted as a pilot that's going to then potentially be.

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Speaker 3: Rolled out.

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Speaker 6: For another three months.

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Speaker 1: So are we expecting the Northern Territory government to come out,

716
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Speaker 1: you know, with some kind of action, I don't know,

717
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Speaker 1: sometime soon, particularly four hour springs.

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Speaker 2: Well I can say one thing, are they.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear if they are going to? Are you going to?

720
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Speaker 3: Is there going to be something coming out soon?

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Speaker 6: So again, the.

722
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Speaker 8: Minister Warden will be out later today, I understand the

723
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Speaker 8: Chief Minister will be out either today or I think

724
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Speaker 8: maybe tomorrow, And.

725
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Speaker 6: That would be a question best directed there.

726
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Speaker 8: But what I can guarantee you, is that we continue

727
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Speaker 8: to look at every community, all of the issues right

728
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Speaker 8: across the territory.

729
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Speaker 6: We do hear the stories and they are appalling, and

730
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Speaker 6: we are looking at.

731
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Speaker 8: Not just quick fixes where people are held to account,

732
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Speaker 8: but it's also how do we help to prevent the

733
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Speaker 8: next generation from becoming exactly what we're dealing with today.

734
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Speaker 8: So we need to look at this holistically. We need

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Speaker 8: to look across generations. We're not looking for a quick fix.

736
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Speaker 8: We're looking for real, long term solutions. And unfortunately, sometimes

737
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Speaker 8: a lot of the stuff that we're doing, it does.

738
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Speaker 8: It takes a transition. It takes a bit of time

739
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Speaker 8: because we want to get this right and we want

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Speaker 8: to make sure that tomorrow and every day going forward

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Speaker 8: is going to be better, not just for some territories

742
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Speaker 8: but for every single person.

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Speaker 2: Or when you say it takes a bit of time,

744
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Speaker 2: how long do you need? You've had six years that

745
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Speaker 2: this government itself's been in power, and then before, like

746
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Speaker 2: I said, there was SELB for four years and then

747
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Speaker 2: there was like government for eleven years. Yeah, there's almost

748
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Speaker 2: you know, these us we're talking about now, these juveniles,

749
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Speaker 2: they weren't even born when the government came into power originally,

750
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Speaker 2: so you've been in controls how long? How long did

751
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: you take territories? Are sick of the and social behavior

752
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: and so it needs to be done or simply back

753
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Speaker 2: at two kal we.

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Speaker 1: Are gonna have to take a very short break. You

755
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Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one oh for nine. It is

756
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: indeed Camp Quality Radio Auction Day. But there is so

757
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: much to discuss, as of course throughout this week, there's

758
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: so much going on. Kizy is having a big yawn.

759
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Speaker 3: There we are. You're listening to Mix one for nine.

760
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: Getting ready?

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Speaker 3: All right, we'll take a bit of a break.

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Speaker 1: Actually I did get a message just a moment ago.

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Speaker 1: My husband said that he'll bid seven hundred dollars to go.

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Speaker 3: We'll take a very short break. You are listening to

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Speaker 3: Mix one oh for nine.

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Speaker 1: Just to keep you up to date with the Camp

767
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Speaker 1: Quality Radio Auction if you've just joined us this morning,

768
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Speaker 1: Jared Mayley has up for bid a half day pig

769
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Speaker 1: hunting will Hunt extravaganza that's currently sitting at seven hundred

770
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Speaker 1: dollars with my husband. So if anybody else wants to

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Speaker 1: place a bit eight nine one O four nine and

772
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: then Ksi Epuric has got a cubic.

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Speaker 3: Meter, given me of organic, manure free, gluten free and friendly.

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Speaker 3: Listen to us just basically, you know, I don't know

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Speaker 3: what you've been season here absolutely sitting at a very

776
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Speaker 3: measly fifty dollars. I mean, Adrian, we appreciate that fifty dollars,

777
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Speaker 3: but I think we can go better.

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Speaker 5: Adrian, you'll only get a spadeful.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: Look, I do want to talk about the pay freeze.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: Unions have loaded the government's wage freeze backflip as a

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Speaker 1: win for workers, but have worn that a two percent

784
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Speaker 1: increase is just a starting point. Now we know that

785
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Speaker 1: that the government made this announcement earlier in the week,

786
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Speaker 1: backflipping on the on the previous pay freeze. Now, I

787
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Speaker 1: did interview the Chief Minister yesterday. She couldn't tell me

788
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Speaker 1: exactly how much it was going to cost or where

789
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Speaker 1: that money was to be found, because she'd previously said

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Speaker 1: that you know that they were sort of working towards

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Speaker 1: there being some changes with that pay freeze, but that

792
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 1: there would need to be savings measures. So we don't

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Speaker 1: know exactly where those measures are going to be.

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Speaker 3: Found at this point.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody's hoping obviously that the economy will be

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Speaker 1: diversified and it will end up with more money coming

797
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Speaker 1: into the territory. But at this point in time, it

798
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Speaker 1: is going to be a huge cost. However, I think

799
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Speaker 1: we're in a situation with the cost of living on

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Speaker 1: the rise. The concern that we're going to lose good

801
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Speaker 1: public servants to interstate teachers, you know, nurses, police officers

802
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: to other states was a real worry.

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Speaker 3: So I think in this instance they had to do it.

804
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 4: I mean, unions really had the government by the balls,

805
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 4: didn't so many so many public servants negotiations and then

806
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 4: I mean this week we saw the Police Association also

807
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 4: come out and add their voice to it. So there

808
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 4: was really no other way that the government exactly. But

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Speaker 4: I mean they're also still up for a very big fight.

810
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 4: This is definitely hasn't been totally cleaned up by the

811
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Speaker 4: Chief Minister the year have committed to fighting fighting hard

812
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Speaker 4: on a minimum of four percent, with many wanting six.

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Speaker 5: Well, just on that, Kadie Darn CPI increased by two

814
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Speaker 5: point one percent in the Dune quarter for this year.

815
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Speaker 5: Darn recorded the highest quarterly increase of all capital cities.

816
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Speaker 5: So our CPO is high it's going higher, which is

817
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Speaker 5: attached obviously to.

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Speaker 2: The cost of living.

819
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Speaker 5: So if the government's offering two percent, that's not even

820
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Speaker 5: going to do anything.

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Speaker 2: Let's schedule. Let's go back to why we's got put

822
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Speaker 2: in place. It's got put in place because the government

823
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: couldn't afford to pay it, right, because they've spent you know,

824
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Speaker 2: nine billion dollars a day and on one waste on

825
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: playground and all that sort of stuff. So there's a

826
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Speaker 2: lot of government waste. We've got water bottles, we've got

827
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Speaker 2: the grand stand, there's a lot of money in government waste.

828
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Speaker 2: So that's what good I put in place. And now

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Speaker 2: they're going to a massive backflip and they're going to

830
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Speaker 2: now pay that. So what's going to be cut? And

831
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Speaker 2: maybe minutes you can ask it, what are you going

832
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Speaker 2: to cut? Because at the last budget, the government's only

833
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: raining measure was to they said they have to save

834
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Speaker 2: or cut seven hundred and forty nine million dollars out

835
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Speaker 2: of the budget and go back to canbu with their

836
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Speaker 2: cap out saying give us more GST. That's how they're

837
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Speaker 2: going to put their budget back into into the to

838
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Speaker 2: the black. So ultimately that we know now could their

839
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Speaker 2: own budget, say they've got to cut seven hundred and

840
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Speaker 2: forty nine million, what's going to be cut and how

841
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: are you going to pay for this?

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Speaker 6: So the landscape has changed over the last couple of years.

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Speaker 6: We've just heard about you mentioned about the CPI.

844
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Speaker 8: We're talking about, you know, the changes and the impacts

845
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Speaker 8: on territorians and it's more expensive to live here and

846
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 8: to work here and to conduct your everyday business, and

847
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 8: so this has been a change to our wages policy.

848
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Speaker 8: We do value every single public servant and the amazing

849
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Speaker 8: work that they carry out for the wider territory, and

850
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 8: it's really important to ensure that we work very diligently

851
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 8: with them. This is a negotiation. The EBAs are up.

852
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 8: We have had some of the public servants choose to

853
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 8: agree to the EBA, and we've had other ongoing conversations

854
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 8: which is a part of the ongoing EBA negotiation process.

855
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 8: But two percent is the starting point and you know,

856
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Speaker 8: really looking forward to continuing those conversations with those other

857
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Speaker 8: areas about how we can reach that result.

858
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 6: But our goal as government.

859
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Speaker 8: Is to always work our way towards returning to a

860
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Speaker 8: surplus in the medium term, and we will continue to

861
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Speaker 8: do that.

862
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 6: But it's all about balance.

863
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 4: But I mean the general Public service, who did agree

864
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 4: to the EBA is now going back to the negotiating

865
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Speaker 4: table because this is a better offer now being put up.

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Speaker 4: So basically we're well back back to where we're started.

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Speaker 2: And what about Moody, They'll say, the concerned about losing

868
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: our credit rating, there's that concern gone. Now what's happened

869
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: about that? Because you know, that's another big issue that

870
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: needs to be considered because ultimately, by situation and practice,

871
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: got worse our debts going up. We overspend about a

872
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: billion dollars a year, or the labor government over spend

873
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: about a billion dollars a year. So you know, three

874
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: three words cut, cut, cut.

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Speaker 1: Well in the right situation though where I think you

876
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: know they were going to have to do this, I

877
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: mean fundamentally, the cost of every things going up, you know,

878
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Speaker 1: the cost of living astronomical at the moment. We really

879
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Speaker 1: couldn't have a situation where, you know, here in the

880
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: Northern Territory we've got our teachers getting paid less than

881
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: every other state and then hoping that they would stay

882
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: or hoping that they'd you know, come back next year.

883
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: And I think that it is, you know, you fundamentally

884
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: you want to be retaining those frontline staff rather than

885
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: then trying to recruit new ones. I would think more

886
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: ex recruit absolutely, But you know, the point that's being

887
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: made is is well and truly a good one. And

888
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't lost on me yesterday when I was speaking

889
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: to the Chief Minister, and that is that, you know,

890
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: we've got to find this money somewhere. I did ask

891
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: if there would be a review into the consultants that

892
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: we currently use throughout the Northern Territory Public Service, whether

893
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: there would also be a review into the executive level

894
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: public service, whether there would also be a cap on

895
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: the number of public servants that we've got, because let's

896
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: be honest, the public service has continued to grow despite

897
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Speaker 1: the fact that the population isn't and I think that

898
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: their sort of areas that we could potentially be looking

899
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: into without having to make, you know, without having to

900
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Speaker 1: make enormous cuts.

901
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 4: Well, we know that cap has never worked in their place,

902
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 4: that just keeps getting increased.

903
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to take a really short break.

904
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: We're fast heading towards ten o'clock. There's plenty of people

905
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: out there listening who are keen to bid as well.

906
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: I know when it comes to the cap quality radio auction.

907
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: So if you do want to have a crack at

908
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: the half day pig hunt with the meilies, or if

909
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: you'd like to get your hands on some keasiers organic

910
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: manure friendly, this is.

911
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: The place to do it. Eight nine four one one

912
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 3: o four nine.

913
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: Will take a very short break you are listening to

914
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: mix one oh four nine.

915
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 3: I do just want to take your cross as well.

916
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: To a statement which has literally just been released by

917
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police Association, they say they want to

918
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: see liquorse liquor licensees taking more responsibility for the safety

919
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: and security of their premises following a spike in public

920
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,959
Speaker 1: drunkenness and anti social behavior at takeaway liquor out let's,

921
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: particularly in Central Australia. The Northern Territory Police Association President

922
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,959
Speaker 1: Paul McHugh said the end of stronger futures has seen

923
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: widespread access to alcohol right across the territory and they

924
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: are saying let's put the owners back on business owners

925
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: who are selling the alcohol in our community to provide

926
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: their own security. So they want palis well, they want

927
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: them taken off those bottle shops and they want to

928
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: see them out there. So they're saying, why can't the

929
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: seventy five police auxiliary liquor inspector positions within the NMT

930
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: pole transition to constable roles to address the staggering levels

931
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: of domestic violence and alcohol fueled harm. So a big

932
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: call there by the Northern Territory Police Association, but one

933
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: which they are obviously making this morning.

934
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 3: It sure is a big call.

935
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 5: And I have mixed views on putting owners and putting

936
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 5: it back on the bottle shops and the business person

937
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 5: the business is selling a legal product, a legitimate product,

938
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 5: and running a legitimate business is the same going to apply.

939
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 5: Are we going to start to see put onnuses back

940
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 5: on shops to make sure that cigarettes are only sold

941
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 5: to adult people or vaping things sold to adult people?

942
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 5: I accept, and I feel the frustration with the Police Association,

943
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 5: and I don't necessarily agree with Palis on bottle shops,

944
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 5: but I find it interesting that the person who or

945
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 5: the business that sells alcohol has to go to the

946
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 5: length of having their own private security to monitor who

947
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 5: comes in or who doesn't come in to buy that

948
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 5: particular product. It's a tricky when I get that, but

949
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 5: I don't believe it should ultimately be passed back to

950
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 5: the person who's selling legal product.

951
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: It seems to be responsibility of the government.

952
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 4: Well, I mean that's that's what the industry would say,

953
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 4: that the actual issue needs to be targeted rather than

954
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 4: trying to deal with the end result of it. I

955
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 4: mean with pin lizing the business daily ram raids down

956
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 4: and Alice Springs and some businesses have had to put

957
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: enormous concrete blocks out the front of their businesses to

958
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 4: prevent those cars running through the roller doors, which they

959
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 4: then can't increase security because it's the only entry or exit,

960
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 4: which is the laws and stafflank.

961
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:16,959
Speaker 1: Yeah.

962
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, alcohol is a problem, y, So we need to

963
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 2: make sure that this government does something about that because

964
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: it affects people. You know, if you mentioned being in

965
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,479
Speaker 2: a family where that alcohol is a problem and there's

966
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: family violence and there's no money, because it just must

967
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: be a terrible, terrible situation and the government need to

968
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: do something about it.

969
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: Well, Look, we will continue, no doubt to talk about

970
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: this issue, and I will be joined by Paul mch

971
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 1: hopefully from the Police Association on the show on Monday,

972
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: because for the rest of the morning, right right, for

973
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Speaker 1: the rest of the day across Mix one oh four

974
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Speaker 1: nine and Hot one hundred. Well, the radio stations are

975
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Speaker 1: being turned upside down down for the camp Quality radio auction.

976
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: Thank you Wall so much for being here this morning.

977
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: Jared Mayley, as it currently sits, that half day pig

978
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: hunt one hundred dollars right now, Come.

979
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: On, people with a lot more than it'd be a

980
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: good afternoon.

981
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: We've got a couple of grand last year.

982
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be a good afternoon. It would be a

983
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: lot of fun.

984
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: Narri you were saying before you wouldn't mind some geese.

985
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: What do you reckon?

986
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 6: So sorry, Jerry. Anybody wants to offer me some please

987
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 6: contact me.

988
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 3: I'll take them.

989
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 5: You'll take those out there and people hunting them.

990
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: There is well Jereed mainly, thanks so much for that

991
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: donation and thanks for your time this morning.

992
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 3: No doubt that is going to go higher. I reckon,

993
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.

994
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Speaker 1: Nine News Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, thanks so much for your

995
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Speaker 1: time this morning. You're Kesier Puric. Thank you for your

996
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: manure donation. Organic When you're I tell you wash If

997
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Speaker 1: you're even friendly yep. And if you're out there doing

998
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: your garden, you know it. Maybe you're somebody who's looking

999
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: to get your garden organized before the wet season really

1000
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Speaker 1: kicks in.

1001
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 5: Well, if they're trying to build up vegetable or herb beds,

1002
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 5: you know, okay, not a lot of things from ground,

1003
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Speaker 5: but this is the perfect stuff to put there. Then

1004
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 5: you do a bit of mulching. And if people can't,

1005
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 5: they don't on a whole trailer load. Well, I'm happy

1006
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 5: to do do a halfy Well, no I'll do I'll

1007
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 5: just fill up some old feedbags took feedbacks, you know,

1008
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Speaker 5: So that's on off Adrian, you'll get half unless you

1009
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 5: go higher than high the fifty bucks.

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Speaker 1: Naria oh Kezi Peric, thank you so much for your

1011
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: donation and your time this morning. And Nariak, thank you

1012
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: so much for your time this morning. It is greatly appreciated.

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00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 6: Thanks Katie, thanks everyone, Thank you,