1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Joining us live in the studio to talk about the 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: resource review survey that the Northern Territory Police Association is 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: currently conducting. 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: It is the President, Nathan Finn. 5 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Good morning Gatty, and good morning 6 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 3: to your listeners. 7 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Finny, before I ask you about this survey, can I 8 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 1: just ask you? Know, I don't want to get you 9 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: involved in a political shit show for one of a 10 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: better word, but mate, what are your thoughts on what's 11 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: going on at the moment in terms of as we're 12 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: talking about who's you know, who's potentially coming up as 13 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: the Chief Minister? Do you want at this point though, 14 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: the Police Minister to remain and to be able to 15 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: get stuck into the work that you guys are sort 16 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: of already getting underway. 17 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Katie, before we get started, obviously you probably cue 18 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: the circus. 19 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 4: Music right about now. I'm right, that's the way the 20 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 4: government's going at the moment. It's just a shamble. So 21 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 4: unfortunately this is our third chief minister. Obviously in three years. 22 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 4: Are we going to see you fourth in four years? 23 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 4: I don't know, but we're waiting. 24 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 3: To see this. 25 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 4: I'll live to others reflect on how the Chief Minister 26 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 4: and why where she stood down? And obviously who's going 27 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 4: to replace Sarah's a decision for the Labor government. Is 28 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 4: there any other options with the three that you've already 29 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 4: put forward? 30 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: Is it not? As as I know? 31 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: Is there a d none of the above? 32 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: Or well, a few people have asked that, a few 33 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: people have been asking that, But yeah, I don't look, 34 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: I don't know what they're going to do from here, 35 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: but I suppose you know, what I can see is 36 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: that for our public service, for our police officers, for 37 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: our fieries, for our frontline services. You know, we've literally 38 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: just had to reshuffle not too long ago, So how 39 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: disruptive could this potentially be if it changes again? 40 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 4: It's very disruptive to us, Katie, and obviously whoever the 41 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 4: next Chief Ministry is, we're happy to work with them 42 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 4: and happy to as long as they're prioritizing our police force. 43 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: We've seen it before and time again. 44 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 4: Our members have clearly openly said that they believe and 45 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 4: that through survey results previously that ninety two percent of 46 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 4: them don't feel supported by this Northern Territory government. So 47 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 4: start listening to our members, start supporting our members. It's 48 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 4: not just police out there. Either there's health that are struggling, 49 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 4: there's education that's struggling, there's territory families, as we spoke 50 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 4: about last week, are struggling. 51 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: They need to listen, Finny. 52 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: One of the big things though, I guess that people 53 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: are saying because we know Nicole Madison is being touted 54 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: as a potential next Chief Minister. But when you sort 55 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: of reflect on the last few years and this sentiment 56 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: within the Northern Territory Police Force. She was the police 57 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: minister for quite a long period of that, do you 58 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: think that do you think that that could potentially have 59 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: any impact. 60 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 4: Again, there's a lot of failures there through her time 61 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 4: as police minister. We don't believe that she'd be the 62 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 4: appropriate person to lead obviously the Labor Party. 63 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 3: But again that's a suit for the Labor Party. 64 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 4: We remain a political We a support whoever's in government 65 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 4: is make sure that they're supporting our members and quite frankly, 66 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 4: unfortunately the violins are playing I believe on the Titanic 67 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 4: that's slowly going down here for the Labor government of 68 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 4: the Northern Territory. 69 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: It's not good, is it like? Right now? 70 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: It's not good. We need stability. We need a strong leader. 71 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 4: We need a strong leader to make these changes, and 72 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 4: unfortunately with the policies they've got the person that steps 73 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 4: into the role. They need to make some snivigant policy 74 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 4: changes to actually increase the communities, life, their education, everything 75 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 4: out there needs to change. So it's a huge job 76 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 4: Forever's going to take it in and turn it around. 77 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 4: But the people are voting out there, the people are 78 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 4: assuring them that they're not doing a good job. So 79 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 4: whoever gets the point of there, they're going to be 80 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 4: on extreme pressure. 81 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: They certainly are. 82 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: We spoke to the Police Commissioner Michael Murphy a bit 83 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: earlier this morning, and one of the questions that our 84 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: listeners had this morning is is why we were in 85 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: a situation last week where there was a large disturbance 86 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: at Casarina. General duties attended and while in attendance, officers 87 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: observed a man hand a youth a machete before the 88 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: youth allegedly ran towards members of the public, ignoring police 89 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: commands to stop. Now. 90 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: Police pursued the youth on. 91 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: Foot, deployed a taser, and a nearby member of security 92 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: assisted in apprehending this fifteen year old. This fifteen year 93 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: old was then apparently subsequently arrested with the machete and 94 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: the drugs in his possession. He was uninjured, but the 95 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: youth was conveyed home to a responsible adult. A lot 96 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: of people are questioning why that was the case. 97 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 4: That's a decision, obviously based on the people on the ground, 98 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 4: the operational members. 99 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:08,839 Speaker 3: They are actually attending that job. 100 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 4: By all reports, it's not as a re ordered to 101 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 4: obviously the media. There's some information there that they were 102 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 4: involved in a fight. The fight had actually dispersed, they'd 103 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 4: gone into a shopping center where an adult had actually 104 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 4: handed him the machete when he noticed the police attending 105 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 4: obviously to look for him, so to keep himself out 106 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 4: of truck keeping mats at a trump again as an 107 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 4: adult providing a youth a weapon, because why would he 108 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 4: do that, Because there's no consequences for youth, Katie, And 109 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 4: that's what we continually get back to. There's no consequences, 110 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 4: and they know that they adults put these children, these 111 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 4: youth in situations where they know they're not going to 112 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 4: get in trouble. So let's just push them to the 113 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 4: forefront and let them cause and take the run of 114 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 4: it because they're not going to get the consequences. 115 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: How debilitating is that for our police officers when you 116 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: know they're out there, they're arresting people, they are arresting youths, 117 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: and there is this real sentiment that they're is not 118 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: consequences for youths. 119 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 3: It's hard. 120 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 4: The members get frustrated, like there's no tomorrow to prove 121 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 4: the dolly incepec stuff in the courts, to prove that 122 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 4: beyond reasonable jat that the people know what they're actually doing. 123 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 4: It's very hard for our members to do that. It's 124 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 4: very hard for members to put the best possible prosecution 125 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 4: case forward. In this situation, this youth was not well 126 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 4: known to police at all, ik, he'd never hadn't got 127 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 4: a history. He's got a written warning previously and that 128 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 4: was about it. So he'd been not into the system. 129 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 4: He has not entrenched into the system. And obviously we 130 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 4: want to see these people that aren't entrenched into the 131 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 4: criminal justice system to have an opportunity to actually form 132 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 4: decisions to get out. 133 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 3: Of that lifestyle. 134 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: So do you reckon It is more a situation here 135 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: where maybe it's been sort of a bit you know, 136 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: the way that we've read this in the pressure release 137 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: from the police. Police it is maybe not so much 138 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: a situation where his kid's running at the crowd with 139 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: a machete. He's been handed that machete and it's not 140 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: as straight what does it seemed? 141 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: No, definitely not. 142 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 4: But if you had to provide clear advice when the 143 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 4: media release had come out, we all wouldn't be speculating 144 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 4: about what's happened here. If we provided all the correct information, 145 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 4: we'd be on the same page. We don't understand what 146 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 4: it actually actually took place. 147 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: And so you like, do you think it still needs 148 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: a bit further look into or are you confident that 149 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: those officers that the right thing has happened. 150 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 4: I'm confident that the officers have done the right thing 151 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 4: and opposed to their legiously view duty. And obviously with 152 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 4: this youth, we believe obviously we weren't there at the time. Again, 153 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 4: they make tough decisions every day, and we support the 154 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 4: police on the grounds to make those tough decisions and 155 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 4: as that's the powers we give them and expect them. 156 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: To do well. 157 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: Nathan Finn, we did actually invite you in this morning 158 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: to ask you about the resource review survey. 159 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,239 Speaker 2: Mate, so we are. 160 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 4: We also said I wouldn't be back in before Christmas, Cadie, 161 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 4: So and here you are. 162 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: Here we are. Who'd ever thought there's any color days 163 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: before Christmas? 164 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 2: So I don't expect to be back, hopefully not for 165 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: your sake. Tell us about this resource. 166 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 4: Resource review survey that our membership is aren't culling undertaking 167 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 4: as a full member survey. We're asking for our members 168 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 4: in feedback in relation to the association submission for the 169 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 4: NT Police Resource Allocation Review. So I asked a number 170 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 4: of questions from previous surveys to compare the results over 171 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 4: the time, including do you believe there's enough police in 172 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 4: the Northern Territory to do what we're being asked to do? 173 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 4: Do you feel supported by the Northern Territory government, how 174 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 4: do you currently rate morale within the Northern Territory Police Force? 175 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 4: And have you considered an exit strategy from the Northern 176 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 4: Territory Police Force? 177 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: So just those simple questions, some other questions as well 178 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: that we're asking obviously prioritized for remote policing and that 179 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: sort of stuff. 180 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 3: But the reason why we're serving our members is to 181 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 3: ensure that the views of. 182 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 4: Our wider membership are obviously accurate represented when we make 183 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:40,679 Speaker 4: this submission back to government. 184 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: And so how long is. 185 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: This resource review open for now? And I'm assuming that 186 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: you want as many of your rank and file officers 187 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: as possible to take there. 188 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 4: We're getting some good results, but obviously we'd like to 189 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 4: see a large percentage of our membership participate in this 190 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 4: and give their point of view so we can actually 191 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 4: represent them to the best of our ability to know 192 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 4: what their issues are. Obviously of going through. This survey 193 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 4: is open to our members till this Friday, close the 194 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 4: business Friday, and that'll provide our information, our submission, evidence 195 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 4: based submission back to the Resource Allocation Review Team. 196 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: Well, I know a lot of police officers listen to 197 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: the show, so I have no doubt that they'll be 198 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: hearing this this morning if they don't already know that 199 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: they've got the option to take part in that survey 200 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: or that review. 201 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 4: Yes, the interim results are basically they're tracking very similar 202 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 4: to our previous surveys that have gone out there. 203 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: What are they telling you so at this. 204 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 4: Point in time, obviously pacific questions about the amount of 205 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 4: overtimes members have been marks to do undertake it this 206 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 4: stage are pretty concerning to us. At almost ninety percent 207 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 4: of our members that have been required to work overtime 208 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 4: in the last three months, and most of this is 209 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 4: between eleven and twenty hours per fortnight, so we're actually 210 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 4: operating on an overtime budget and these members are getting 211 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 4: burnt out on the front line. 212 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: That'd be a huge impact as well on the budget. 213 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: For you know that you're trying to juggle that the 214 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: police are trying to juggle. 215 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. 216 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 4: And then I'm getting phone calls last night that they're going, oh, 217 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 4: you've set up this new division of not me, but 218 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 4: police managers have set up this new territory safety division 219 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 4: and we can't even get one van on the road 220 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 4: for a response capability from Palmerston last night and they're 221 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 4: saying they haven't got a supervisor. Their supervisor has been 222 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 4: taken to run this project. This is the concerns that 223 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 4: they're relaying every day. I had another member from a 224 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 4: remote station go I'm by myself. I'm not getting a 225 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 4: relief member until after Christmas, and I'm going hang on. 226 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 4: That's serious safety concerns I have from my members, Especially 227 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 4: in a remote situation, things can change at the drop 228 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 4: of a hat. These are the things that our members 229 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 4: are actually getting endured to, and quite frankly, we're very 230 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 4: pissed off the way that's going. We need this support 231 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 4: to our front line of our members. Our members are 232 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 4: struggling every day to meet demand and they can't. 233 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: So Finny, just tell us a little bit more like, 234 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: do you know how many people have taken parts so 235 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: far in that surveyor no, it doesn't close till friday, 236 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: so very much interim results. 237 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: Roughly half of our membership have undertaken the survey to date. 238 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:01,599 Speaker 2: So what's that? 239 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: A couple of hundred the half fair membership? Yeah, so 240 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: how many would that be around? 241 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 3: I think we're around seven hundred or eight hundred. There's 242 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 3: a lot of interest in. 243 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 4: It, but we would like to see a better representation 244 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 4: from all our memberships so they can obviously. 245 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: Give that feedback. 246 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: And like any other bits that it's told you so far, 247 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: they're clearly not overly happy about having to do that 248 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: high a high volume of overtime. 249 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: Is there much else at the moment. 250 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 4: They are, There's a lot of information coming through. We're 251 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 4: still seeing the reasons why members aren't going remote is 252 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 4: due to the quality of departmental housing, not having adequate 253 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 4: staffing levels out there, not being able to maintain a 254 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 4: work life balance out there, and also security of our 255 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 4: departmental housing in these remote areas. 256 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 3: It's not all doom and gloom, though. 257 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 4: Obviously we've seen a little a slight improvement in the 258 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 4: morale so far we're from previous surveys. We're still seeing 259 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 4: a lower, very low morale of sixty one percent so 260 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 4: far of all the respondents, so we are seeing an improvement, 261 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 4: but still there's a lot of work it needs to 262 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 4: be done. The main issue we're seeing is do believe 263 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 4: that we've got enough police? 264 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: What are they saying? 265 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 4: Ninety seven percent say no, we haven't got enough police 266 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 4: to do what we're doing. That's just as an example 267 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 4: of some results. And do they feel supported? Nine percent 268 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 4: currently saying no, they're not supported by the Northern Heretory government. 269 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: So that's hundreds of police officers already saying that as 270 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: part of that survey, and it still remains open until Friday. 271 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: That's correct. 272 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 4: So we're trying to get this maximum participation so we 273 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 4: can actually represent our entirety of our membership if that's possible. 274 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 4: I know, yeah, survey, but unfortunately members don't have time 275 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 4: to complete service, even though it's a five minute survey 276 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 4: and we remind our members to do that. They're struggling 277 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 4: to meet the demand of their workload with a new 278 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 4: computer system coming in that's actually providing further administrative burden 279 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 4: on our frontline police as well. They're seeing them delayed 280 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 4: and doing overtime just to enter the data into the 281 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 4: new computer system and actually learn the new computer system. 282 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: I have been told that it is arduous task at 283 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: the moment trying to cross over to that new Serve 284 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: Pro system. 285 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, the problem with everything is with the changes. We're 286 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 4: used to a computer system that's been in roughly for 287 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 4: twenty two years of the previous one. We all know 288 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 4: how it works, how it was, All the information is 289 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 4: already there. This new systems obviously requires a fair bit 290 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 4: of input into that system as well, which is obviously 291 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 4: causing a huge burden on that front line. 292 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: Well, Nathan Finn, we always appreciate your time. You've been 293 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: in here more often than we've expected, Aura, or probably 294 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: that you've wanted throughout this year since becoming the president 295 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: of the Police Association. But we really appreciate the time 296 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: that you give us, and our listeners appreciate you. 297 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 4: Obviously you're getting us on and obviously giving our point 298 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 4: of view, and make sure that our members are support 299 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 4: out there, and that's the main thing for us. We're 300 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 4: employed by our members to support our members and I'll 301 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 4: make sure everything possible I'll be supporting our members to 302 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 4: make sure that they're looked after and their health and 303 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 4: well being as prioritized. But I say to your listeners, 304 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 4: Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. I do not 305 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 4: believe I'm going to be in later this week, Katie, 306 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 4: so I'll say, but I will never say never, But 307 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,599 Speaker 4: I'll say Merry Christmas and New Happy to you and 308 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 4: your team as well. But the members out there in 309 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 4: blue that will be keeping people safe over the Christmas period, 310 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 4: our thoughts are with you, guys. Continue doing the great 311 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 4: job you're doing with the limits of resources you have 312 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 4: to do that job. 313 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: And no, and please know that by and large, the 314 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: majority of the Northern Territory community absolutely supports the work 315 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: that you do as well. 316 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: It is bloody heart. 317 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine how tough it he's being a police 318 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: officer in the Northern Territory. So please know that, you know, 319 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: we get so many messages of support for our Northern 320 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: Territory police. Please please understand that the community supports you 321 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: and that we really do appreciate the work that you do. 322 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 4: And if your listeners are out there and you do 323 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 4: see police over the Christmas and New Year period, go 324 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 4: up to them say thank you. Yeah, appreciate the sacrifice 325 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 4: you're making to protect our community. 326 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, because at the end of the. 327 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 4: Day, they're here to protect you. They're here to do 328 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 4: the best possible job that they possibly can do. That's 329 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 4: why they signed up to her. 330 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, absolutely. 331 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: Nathan Finn, thank you so much for your time this 332 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: morning and all throughout the year. 333 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next year. Hey, thank you, thank you.