Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. You're dose of the hottest
Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Sophie
Speaker 1: Torbert and I'm joined by my sisters and journalists Kate
Speaker 1: and Amy. On today's show, El Darby returns to social
Speaker 1: media following those racist tweets, Sammy Robinson's multi million dollar payday,
Speaker 1: and Sarah's day opens up about her body dysmorphia.
Speaker 2: Now, so before we get into it, I need to
Speaker 2: shame you because I received a very panicked call from
Speaker 2: you and Amy. You've just been on a five k
Speaker 2: walk and you lost your car keys during that walk,
Speaker 2: so you could not get home. Amy's keys were inside
Speaker 2: your car. What is going on with you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It wasn't my finest hour, But sadly, I'm quite
Speaker 1: known for doing Steve a chit like this. It always
Speaker 1: happens to me. Every time it happens, I text my
Speaker 1: boyfriend and say, why does this happen to me all
Speaker 1: of the time.
Speaker 2: I have to admit I did tell some of our
Speaker 2: mutual friends and most of their responses was that seems
Speaker 2: like a very so thing to do.
Speaker 1: It is Sophia is literally that person that will lose
Speaker 1: an important usb. You have lost house keys before, so
Speaker 1: it wasn't surprising when you turned to me and said, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't have my key. Well, it's the worst because
Speaker 1: sometimes I get you to hold stuff for me on
Speaker 1: a walk, because you're usually in your puffa jacket and
Speaker 1: I was wearing well, I thought I was wearing my
Speaker 1: Lorna Jane tights that don't have pockets, because usually I
Speaker 1: would put my key safely in my pocket. And you're
Speaker 1: really mad at me, Amy, and you're like, why don't
Speaker 1: you put it in your fucking pocket? And then I said,
Speaker 1: because these parts don't have any pockets, and then you're like,
Speaker 1: they do, look to your side, they do.
Speaker 2: So can I maybe purchase you a dog walking bag
Speaker 2: that you can put your keys in. I really need
Speaker 2: bags and phone because this just I couldn't believe when
Speaker 2: you said you just hold your key on your finger
Speaker 2: like what.
Speaker 1: She was hilarious because it got pretty desperate. So we
Speaker 1: retraced our steps for five k's and the sun was out,
Speaker 1: so I told Sophie's boyfriend to come and rescue us,
Speaker 1: and we told him to bring a coat hanger down
Speaker 1: because Sophie's car had previously been broken into it, so
Speaker 1: I felt like we might be able to get in
Speaker 1: through the window anyway. So we looked so Dodgy were
Speaker 1: standing down this street, and I need to set the scene.
Speaker 1: Sophie's wearing her white pajama top that she got from
Speaker 1: Gray Lines. It says hornbag on it. I actually I
Speaker 1: wore it to bed and I thought, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 1: just wore wear it on the walk this morning, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't think i'd come into contact with so many people.
Speaker 1: And when the RAA guy came, I did have to
Speaker 1: chuck your jacket on, Amy because I thought, oh, this
Speaker 1: is a bit of a weird look. The most annoying
Speaker 1: thing was I could see my keys that I had
Speaker 1: left in your car, and I had a wet vacuum
Speaker 1: cleaner that I used for my end of lease clean
Speaker 1: in my own car that I needed to return. So
Speaker 1: I was absolutely fuming at you, and so Sophie's boyfriend
Speaker 1: and I were just ragging on her the whole time.
Speaker 1: I actually felt sorry for myself, but I just defending myself.
Speaker 1: Here was a complete accident. It's not like I'm maliciously
Speaker 1: you know. It was on this walk and threw the
Speaker 1: keys in the books call.
Speaker 2: Though, how did you not feel or hear the It's
Speaker 2: like a transponder key drop because it's not like it's
Speaker 2: just one single key. It's got you know, like the
Speaker 2: buttons and stuff on it that surely would have made
Speaker 2: a sound.
Speaker 1: I detached my normal keys, which have key rings and
Speaker 1: everything from it. It's quite a light key, so I
Speaker 1: don't know that. And that's the most annoying thing when
Speaker 1: you lose something and everyone's like, well, do you remember
Speaker 1: where you dropped it? And it's like, well, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be lost if I remember where I dropped it, But
Speaker 1: it always is in the last place you look a me.
Speaker 2: Maybe you need a lanyard. Remember when they were in
Speaker 2: at high school used to have your locker keys on
Speaker 2: a lanyard.
Speaker 1: I'm not in your eight Kate. I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: going to start wearing a lanyard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but all that shit's coming back in maybe you
Speaker 2: should bring.
Speaker 1: It back to you. True.
Speaker 2: I never thought i'd say this, but the sky Wheatley
Speaker 2: Rat saga has continued this week, and for those listeners
Speaker 2: who are a bit squeamish, I'll just add a trigger
Speaker 2: warning here. You may want to fast forward, particularly if
Speaker 2: you are eating now as a refresher. Last week, Sky
Speaker 2: shared that she had taken a liking to a litter
Speaker 2: of baby rats that had been born in her pantry,
Speaker 2: so much so that she took them from the nest
Speaker 2: and filmed herself holding them, and subsequently the four baby
Speaker 2: rats were abandoned by their mother. Now, Sky was quite
Speaker 2: distraught by the incident and wanted to save the rats' lives. However, sadly,
Speaker 2: when she took them to an animal shelter, they had
Speaker 2: to be euthanized. Now, this week, things got even weirder
Speaker 2: when Sky's partner Lockie, shared that their son Forest was
Speaker 2: taking a dead rat to KINDI for show and tell.
Speaker 1: Now, the rat was in a plastic.
Speaker 2: Container which had screws in the lids so it couldn't
Speaker 2: be opened, and Lockee later shared a photo of Forest
Speaker 2: with a group of kids around him with the caption
Speaker 2: the rat was his success.
Speaker 1: What did you guys think about all of this? Well,
Speaker 1: the listener actually forwarded me the post, which was put
Speaker 1: up by Locke, Sky's partner, and I was in disbelief.
Speaker 1: It was so gross to see a little boy holding
Speaker 1: a fucking rat in a container, and he kept kind
Speaker 1: of turned owning the container around so you could just
Speaker 1: see the rat's body going around in circle. I just
Speaker 1: couldn't help but think how dangerous is this to send
Speaker 1: a dead rat to a school with children. I'd be
Speaker 1: so pissed off if I was one of the parents
Speaker 1: of the children in this class, and imagine the poor teacher.
Speaker 2: Well, particularly when obviously we're talking about germs. But secondly,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of kids that may not know
Speaker 2: about death. It's something that you know, you don't know
Speaker 2: what parents have discussed with their children, So it's pretty
Speaker 2: confronting to have a dead rat in a plastic container.
Speaker 1: Also, it might prompt children to.
Speaker 2: Go out and find dead animals and touch them, and
Speaker 2: you know, that's just it's just disgusting and a lot
Speaker 2: of it's quite dangerous.
Speaker 1: And as someone and as someone pointed out in our
Speaker 1: Facebook group, what if someone brought a dead cat to school,
Speaker 1: because they probably call the cops on it is it
Speaker 1: does it make it different that it's a rodent? I
Speaker 1: know this isn't supposed to be a funny matter, but
Speaker 1: does anyone else think that this was mother rat that yeah, actually.
Speaker 2: Had a Q and A going on on her? Page,
Speaker 2: and someone asked for an update the mother rat, and
Speaker 2: she said she will do one later. So if there
Speaker 2: is an update, we'll have to come back on the
Speaker 2: mics and discuss it. I think, because I feel like
Speaker 2: her announcement will be quite interesting.
Speaker 1: Surely that was Mamma rat. Surely there aren't more rats
Speaker 1: in this house.
Speaker 2: The thing is Sky was so distraught about having to
Speaker 2: euthanize the baby rats, and then they're kind of sort
Speaker 2: of making fun of this other rat that's dead and
Speaker 2: parading it around. It seems all very old.
Speaker 1: I did have to giggle when Lockie was like, he's
Speaker 1: long gone, mate, He's long gone. Have you ever heard
Speaker 1: of the bubonic plague? Manuel? It was very popular here
Speaker 1: at one time.
Speaker 3: A lot of pedigree hamsters came over on ships from Siberia.
Speaker 3: Hamster is not hamster. Hamsters are small and cuddly. Cuddle this.
Speaker 3: You'd never played the guitar again.
Speaker 2: Recently, we discussed how Sammy Robinson's fashion brand One Mile
Speaker 2: attracted mainstream media attention when at debooed at Australian Fashion Week. Now,
Speaker 2: most of the media commentary centered around the shift we've
Speaker 2: seen in the fashion landscape regarding influencers, and previously it
Speaker 2: was seen as pretty tacky to have influences in attendance
Speaker 2: at fashion Week, but now they're not only sitting front row,
Speaker 2: but actually putting on a successful runway show themselves. And
Speaker 2: one thing that was missing from the coverage though, was
Speaker 2: the information around one mile sales and revenue. And this
Speaker 2: week Sammy subtly gave us an insight into just how
Speaker 2: much one Mile has potentially made in the last two years.
Speaker 2: So can you talk us through what happened in this
Speaker 2: YouTube video?
Speaker 1: Well? In the latest video, Sammy took viewers behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of one miles debut at Fashion Week, and in
Speaker 1: the video, Sammy and her staff celebrated one Mile's second
Speaker 1: birthday with a cake and also a birthday card listing
Speaker 1: the milestones they have achieved as a brand now. Sammy
Speaker 1: showed the card to the camera, which read, today is
Speaker 1: our second birthday. So far, we have ninety two thousand followers,
Speaker 1: donated forty eight thousand dollars, made forty nine thousand orders,
Speaker 1: and sold eighty four thousand pieces in less than ten days.
Speaker 1: We were about to have our first debut fashion show
Speaker 1: when I saw that one Mile had sold over eighty
Speaker 1: four thousand pieces. I was so taken back because I
Speaker 1: suppose you never really truly know how successful these influencer
Speaker 1: brands are. Often you here that they've sold out, but
Speaker 1: you don't actually know how many units of clothing that was.
Speaker 1: And of course the fact that Sammy was showing her
Speaker 1: close at fashion Week meant that, yeah, it must be
Speaker 1: somewhat successful. The numbers really do help to put that
Speaker 1: success into perspective, and I did some calculations and one
Speaker 1: miles pieces are usually around seventy two, one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty dollars, with the most expensive item being a trench
Speaker 1: coat for two hundred and eighty nine dollars. So to
Speaker 1: get an idea of one miles revenue, I multiplied the
Speaker 1: eighty four thousand sales by one hundred dollars for roughly
Speaker 1: each item, which equates to a whopping eight point four
Speaker 1: million dollars worth of sales for Sammy Gosh Well.
Speaker 2: The number really stood out to me because the figures
Speaker 2: were very similar to the sales of the Inspired Unemployed
Speaker 2: beer brand Better Beer. So, for those who missed it,
Speaker 2: last week, it was revealed that the brand had generated
Speaker 2: ten million dollars worth of sales since its launched six
Speaker 2: months ago. Now, I originally thought that Jack and Falcon
Speaker 2: had a one hundred percent steak in the brand, but
Speaker 2: that was pretty naive of me, because the boys were
Speaker 2: actually approached by Better Beer's founders, Nick Koger and Mighty Craft,
Speaker 2: and they were each offered a twenty percent steak in
Speaker 2: the company for their seal of approval, and the founders
Speaker 2: believed with the right marketing, their low carb zero sugar
Speaker 2: beer would be very popular in Australia. But I don't
Speaker 2: think even they anticipated just how popular it would be.
Speaker 2: With the Inspired unemployees backing, Better Beer is the fastest
Speaker 2: growing new beer brand launched in the last eight years,
Speaker 2: which is pretty incredible. It's pretty reminiscent of Abby Chatfield's
Speaker 2: success with Bush the sex toy Company, because they had
Speaker 2: the product already. They say that Abby obviously had a
Speaker 2: little bit to do.
Speaker 1: The design of it, but it's an example of brands
Speaker 1: that just grab these influences and make them the face
Speaker 1: of it and just do so well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and with this media coverage around the Inspired Unemployed
Speaker 2: Beer brand, it was almost like, wow, look at them,
Speaker 2: They're so successful. They've helped make ten million dollars worth
Speaker 2: of sales. But with Sammy, there was no mention with
Speaker 2: the coverage of one mile at Fashion Week how much
Speaker 2: money she had made. And I was wondering if that
Speaker 2: was something that was intentionally left out by her brand,
Speaker 2: because she was interviewed a lot, and I mean she
Speaker 2: subtly put in that she'd done eighty four thousand dollars
Speaker 2: worth of sales, but I was wondering would female audiences
Speaker 2: not like it if she went on and said, well,
Speaker 2: I've actually sold eight.
Speaker 1: Million dollars worth of clothes. I think maybe it was
Speaker 1: a conscious move not to actually say how much they'd made,
Speaker 1: because it's the same with Abby. We've never actually heard
Speaker 1: the figure that she made with her vibrators. Well, I
Speaker 1: think it's historically because money is seen as a taboo
Speaker 1: topic for women. So perhaps Sammy didn't want to outrightly
Speaker 1: say how much money the brand is making. And women
Speaker 1: are often taught from a young age that it's impolite
Speaker 1: to talk about money and to keep their finances private.
Speaker 1: So perhaps it's coming from that perspective. Because I even
Speaker 1: known business, I hate talking about figures and money can
Speaker 1: be a really uncomfortable topic.
Speaker 2: I do wonder if this whole approach to females and
Speaker 2: money has something to do with why there are so
Speaker 2: many question marks about how much influencers make because female
Speaker 2: influencers make up the majority when it comes to top earners,
Speaker 2: and I wonder if that's why the paychecks are so secret,
Speaker 2: because women don't want to come out and say, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm actually earning this much money, whereas when you think
Speaker 2: about male entrepreneurs, they're constantly flashing their cash and talking
Speaker 2: about their massive paychecks and being really particular about this
Speaker 2: is how much.
Speaker 1: Well. I don't necessarily agree, I do see where you're
Speaker 1: coming from, but I think that there's more secretcy around
Speaker 1: what influence has earned because it is such a substantial
Speaker 1: figure and the work they're seeing isn't really something you
Speaker 1: have to invest a lot of time in, so people
Speaker 1: don't see it as being particularly difficult. I think also
Speaker 1: there's a lot of privacy, probably from the brands of
Speaker 1: people not wanting with the brands not wanting people to
Speaker 1: know how much they're investing in these people. When I
Speaker 1: saw that article about the Inspired Unemployed, I actually thought
Speaker 1: that that could potentially be damaging to their brand because
Speaker 1: they are seen as being incredibly relatable and that could
Speaker 1: damage the perception people have of them. Well, they recently
Speaker 1: addressed it in a podcast, not so much the money factor,
Speaker 1: but they were talking about how they'd been in a
Speaker 1: whole heap of meetings recently and they tried to make
Speaker 1: themselves sound relatable because they said, all these guys are
Speaker 1: talking figures and about marketing, about SEO, and they had
Speaker 1: no idea what they were talking about, and they had
Speaker 1: to take a few toilet breaks where they were like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on. I also heard in
Speaker 1: another interview that Jack said that they actually reject ninety
Speaker 1: five percent of brand deals that come their way, and
Speaker 1: they only take on deals that are actually interested in
Speaker 1: the brand and like the brand.
Speaker 2: And I know there's a lot of influencers out there
Speaker 2: that say that, but when you have a look at
Speaker 2: who they've worked with, it has been pretty good brand
Speaker 2: alignment from their end. And do you know what I
Speaker 2: think is quite a gendered thing, because when I looked
Speaker 2: at her, I was like, Oh, good on him.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 2: They've made ten million dollars. But if I'm going to
Speaker 2: be completely honest, when I had calculated how much Sammy
Speaker 2: Robbins had had made. There was a bit of me
Speaker 2: that was like, oh, that's a lot of money and
Speaker 2: that's terrible that I but that was just my natural instinct,
Speaker 2: well away.
Speaker 1: From the whole gender thing. I think one of the
Speaker 1: reasons people probably feel differently about Sammy Robinson and the
Speaker 1: Inspired Unemployed is because Sammy comes from an incredibly privileged background.
Speaker 1: You just have to have a look at the house
Speaker 1: she grew up in. You know, she has this beautiful
Speaker 1: view of Sydney Harbor Bridge. Her family's obviously very very rich,
Speaker 1: and then you look at the inspired unemployed, who were
Speaker 1: former tradees and who really have come from nothing. I
Speaker 1: think that's why a lot of people have brought into
Speaker 1: the success story of the Inspired unemployed. But people also
Speaker 1: like to turn on those sort of people when they
Speaker 1: do well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they at some stage will be
Speaker 2: hit by the tall poppy syndrome. In terms of comparing
Speaker 2: Sammy and then the Inspired unemploys content, though, I think
Speaker 2: it's because I really get a lot out of their content,
Speaker 2: like it's always very clever and funny. Whereas Sammy, we
Speaker 2: always joke about how she often chose just her stacking
Speaker 2: a dishwasher. I've got to say though, when I did
Speaker 2: watch her YouTube video about her brand launch, I felt
Speaker 2: like a proud mum watching it because she has really
Speaker 2: done amazing things with her brand, and I think that
Speaker 2: it's hard as a woman not to sit back and
Speaker 2: be a little bit jealous of it because I suppose,
Speaker 2: as you said, so, if she is in a privileged position,
Speaker 2: but we shouldn't take away her achievements just because of that.
Speaker 2: Do We've had a million follows like ten hours now
Speaker 2: do you feel any different? No any emails yet, Jimmy
Speaker 2: fallon Great Naun Show.
Speaker 1: Surely Ellen nothing? Why I come on back the dishwasher please?
Speaker 3: Oh for fuck?
Speaker 2: Say Corney Kardashian and Travis Barker's lavish wedding celebrations in
Speaker 2: Italy have been overshadowed by their dinner selection. Fans were
Speaker 2: left shocked after Kylie Jenna shared a video of what
Speaker 2: looked like bite sized portions of pasta. Now. It sent
Speaker 2: Twitter into a blaze. One person tweeted, the past a
Speaker 2: portion size at Courtney Kardashian's wedding is one of the
Speaker 2: saddest things I've ever seen. Another wrote, that's how much
Speaker 2: I eat to check if it's cooked. Someone else also
Speaker 2: wrote had better be a thirty coarse meal. Now what
Speaker 2: did you guys think about this? Pasta debate?
Speaker 1: I'd be disappointed by this. Let's be honest. It looks minuscule.
Speaker 1: Do you know what it actually look like? You know
Speaker 1: that tin spaghetti you get in a can. It looks
Speaker 1: like someone is just spaghetti that you get. Oh sorry,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Looks like someone has literally
Speaker 1: dollopped a tiny bit of spaghetti on the plate. The
Speaker 1: plates were beautiful, though, Maybe that's why. Maybe whoever designed
Speaker 1: the plates was trying to get a lot of attention
Speaker 1: and didn't want too much spaghetti ruining it. Because everyone's
Speaker 1: talking about it, surely this was a one of you know,
Speaker 1: as a person said, thirty course meal or something. This
Speaker 1: can't have been a main serve.
Speaker 2: Well can you imagine spending millions of dollars on a
Speaker 2: wedding only to have the food mocked publicly. I do
Speaker 2: think this has become such a big deal, though, because
Speaker 2: everyone has been in a situation where they're starving at
Speaker 2: a wedding and they've been shafted with food.
Speaker 1: Do you reckon that Kendall Jenna was serving up the
Speaker 1: plates because you know, she's clearly got no idea how
Speaker 1: to cut a cue cup. But maybe she doesn't know
Speaker 1: non model portion sizes. You just give them a little bit.
Speaker 1: I've been to a wedding once, this is years ago,
Speaker 1: where people were literally trying to fight each other for
Speaker 1: Aaron Cheney balls because everyone was so hungry. That's a
Speaker 1: fear of mine, having a wedding where people do go hungry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: food is such an important part. I know a friend
Speaker 1: of mine he went to a wedding and he's Italian,
Speaker 1: so he's used to all the five course meal and
Speaker 1: he said that somebody is served in what looked like
Speaker 1: just the cone of a cornetto, and he asked the
Speaker 1: waitress where's the rest of this? Yeah, that's the thing
Speaker 1: I reckon. It's one of these rich people thinks that
Speaker 1: us commoners don't get, you know, when they serve like
Speaker 1: minuscule amounts at fancy restaurants and are supposed to be,
Speaker 1: you know, really good. They'd be going to McDonald's after surely, Hello.
Speaker 3: Gorgeous angels, welcome back to my YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: You're gonna lead your cups of teeth?
Speaker 3: Can you just all go and get like a ridiculous
Speaker 3: amount of snacks. We got digestives, we got married an cookies.
Speaker 1: Elle Darby has returned to Instagram five months after racist, homophobic,
Speaker 1: and fat phobic tweets she sent as a teenager resurfaced. Now,
Speaker 1: the twenty six year old who launched clothing brand Angel
Speaker 1: Collection off the back of her success as a YouTuber,
Speaker 1: saw her followers drop by one hundred thousand during the scandal. Now,
Speaker 1: in the tweets that were made more than a decade ago,
Speaker 1: Elle called foreigners meatheads who speak in grunts and said
Speaker 1: she hates Polish people and Indians. Now. At the time,
Speaker 1: Elle released an apology on her YouTube channel, which was
Speaker 1: branded by some as insincere. Now. Since then, as we
Speaker 1: have discussed on the show, there was radio silence. But
Speaker 1: that was until Sunday when Elle made her grand return
Speaker 1: to Instagram. Now this post has been liked by more
Speaker 1: than one hundred thousand people, with many of her supporters
Speaker 1: saying that glad El has returned amy. This apology was
Speaker 1: quite lengthy. Can you touch on a couple of the
Speaker 1: pivotal points in it? Yeah? Well, Elle started the apology
Speaker 1: by saying, there are a few times in life when
Speaker 1: it makes more sense to just stop, to take your breath,
Speaker 1: to reevaluate, to revisit areas that need deeper healing, and
Speaker 1: to return when you have the right message rooted in
Speaker 1: authenticity and truth. It's all about authenticity in truth, I think,
Speaker 1: particularly in a pr apology like this exactly. So Ll
Speaker 1: continued on by saying that she has too many thoughts
Speaker 1: and feelings to fit into one caption or one video,
Speaker 1: so she has instead translated them into values and lessons
Speaker 1: she's learned offline and will be reinforcing in her online presence.
Speaker 1: I found the mention of her online presence fascinating because
Speaker 1: I wonder how she will show these new values and
Speaker 1: lessons in her new YouTube videos, because I feel like
Speaker 1: it's really difficult to do that in an authentic way.
Speaker 1: If you remember back to the Braid scandal with White
Speaker 1: Fox and Sarah's day on her story, she was trying
Speaker 1: to show that she had learnt and you know, she
Speaker 1: was buying aboriginal artwork, and it just came across as
Speaker 1: very disingenuous. So I do wonder how these new lessons
Speaker 1: that she's going to show are going to come across online.
Speaker 2: When you were talking, all I could think about. Was
Speaker 2: that episode of Seinfeld when George is accused of not
Speaker 2: having any black friends, and then he tries and befriends
Speaker 2: all these people that he barely knows like it. That's
Speaker 2: all I can think about, something that would come across
Speaker 2: as so insincere and tokenistic.
Speaker 1: Well, she's going to be so careful about it, doesn't she.
Speaker 1: So Elle then spoke about the hurt that she'd cause people.
Speaker 1: She said, my own heart has been completely broken, knowing
Speaker 1: I had broken yours. She then spoke about finding it
Speaker 1: tough to connect with and navigate the mind of her
Speaker 1: teenage self. She said it was a difficult task, and
Speaker 1: she revisited a very unhappy, hateful version of herself and
Speaker 1: tried to understand why she had so much hatred in
Speaker 1: her heart. She finished off by saying, the first half
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two has been the most pivotal of
Speaker 1: her life, and it's time for her next chapter to begin.
Speaker 1: She said, here's to life's chance to be a better person.
Speaker 1: I do have to give her props for calling herself
Speaker 1: a hateful person as a teenager, because that would be
Speaker 1: really difficult to say and also quite difficult to reflect on.
Speaker 1: Behavior that you perhaps didn't associate with yourself anymore. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's difficult to call your past behavior out,
Speaker 1: to be honest, I feel like it's almost easier to
Speaker 1: criticize the person you once were because you're no longer
Speaker 1: that person anymore. Yeah, but I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of influencers would instead say, oh, I was stupid and
Speaker 1: I wasn't well informed, But to say that you were
Speaker 1: actually filled with hate towards a different race of people.
Speaker 2: One of the criticisms of El's initial apology was a
Speaker 2: focus on that she was really young and a teenager.
Speaker 2: So I do wonder if there is a purpose of saying,
Speaker 2: you know, my teenage self reiterating the fact that she
Speaker 2: was young when she did put these things out. I
Speaker 2: do think it is an improvement on the past apology, though.
Speaker 1: I feel like we've seen so many influencer apologies this
Speaker 1: year and also in twenty twenty one, and what a
Speaker 1: lot of influencers generally don't do is make the apology
Speaker 1: she a fixture on their feed, but she actually has.
Speaker 1: She didn't go down the route of having the traditional
Speaker 1: black background with the white writing. She made it a
Speaker 1: little more aesthetic for her feed because it is going
Speaker 1: to be a permanent fixture. And it's interesting because when
Speaker 1: she uploaded the apology, she also changed her Instagram profile
Speaker 1: to a pick of her her fiance Con and also
Speaker 1: her son, Saint on the Beach Eagle Eyede. Followers also
Speaker 1: noticed the con has removed part time YouTuber from his bio,
Speaker 1: and neither Con or Elle have their YouTube channel linked anymore.
Speaker 1: All they have is links to their clothing brands. So
Speaker 1: this has led some followers to speculate that the couple
Speaker 1: are planning a complete rebrand. So instead of sticking with
Speaker 1: El Darby as a solo YouTube account, many think that
Speaker 1: they are going to change their account over to a
Speaker 1: family channel name, perhaps the Swift Family. And this could
Speaker 1: help brands who were unaware of the controversies still want
Speaker 1: to work with her because when they go to Google
Speaker 1: Swift Family, they aren't going to come up with all
Speaker 1: of this awful news about her.
Speaker 2: Gods, that's pretty clever because I think it makes sense
Speaker 2: as a natural progression for someone like Elle, who is
Speaker 2: getting married and has a child to turn her channel
Speaker 2: into a family channel. And I think that would be
Speaker 2: very clever, particularly to change her name to Elle swift
Speaker 2: publicly now that there is so much negativity link to
Speaker 2: the name El Darby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Kay, And she has backed up the
Speaker 1: apology the next day by sharing a photo in her
Speaker 1: feed of her and her family on the beach and
Speaker 1: she wrote a forever thing. She then collaborated on the
Speaker 1: post with Con so it appeared on his feet and
Speaker 1: this is the first sign of life from Con. This
Speaker 1: is the first post that he has been part of.
Speaker 1: And many followers were over the moon that she was back,
Speaker 1: writing oh my God, look at Saint. Welcome back both
Speaker 1: of you. The comeback is always stronger than the setback,
Speaker 1: while another user wrote Saint's so big now, good to
Speaker 1: see you back. Remember us angels that stayed loyal through
Speaker 1: and through. And I did notice that Elle was quick
Speaker 1: to comment on a lot of her followers posts, writing
Speaker 1: love hearts or nice mess just back to them. So
Speaker 1: it's obvious that she is trying to stay in the
Speaker 1: good books with her followers.
Speaker 2: Do you know who probably was even more excited than
Speaker 2: Elle's angel fans. It would have been the people on
Speaker 2: Tattle Life. They would have been frothing that Elle is
Speaker 2: back and that they can pick her life to pieces. Again.
Speaker 1: Well, many have been putting the time of the reappearance
Speaker 1: under the spotlight. So one Twitter user roade Lle doing
Speaker 1: a resurrection on a random Sunday is wild. Oh no, wait,
Speaker 1: it's been four months since her last video, and YouTube
Speaker 1: stops paying if you're inactive for six months, so she
Speaker 1: needs to test the waters. What do you guys think
Speaker 1: about that comment and also the timing of the post. Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't actually know that about YouTube, so I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised. I mean, it does feel like it's been
Speaker 1: such a long time since the incident that in my mind,
Speaker 1: it almost feels like a good time for l to return.
Speaker 1: The thing is, it's not.
Speaker 2: Like she uploaded a YouTube video exactly five and a
Speaker 2: bit months, so I don't know if the six months
Speaker 2: really comes into it. I think she's left it a
Speaker 2: long enough time that it seems like people actually want
Speaker 2: her back. I don't recall another influencer having this sort
Speaker 2: of radio silence since a big scandal like this. The
Speaker 2: only other person I can think of is Shane Dawson
Speaker 2: after his scandals, who went mia on YouTube for probably
Speaker 2: nearly a year. Think about James Charles, who always seems
Speaker 2: to find himself in controversies and they end up just
Speaker 2: using it as clickbait. At least L hasn't gone down
Speaker 2: that path, But I suppose I can see the frustration
Speaker 2: with many people because it appears that now that she's back,
Speaker 2: people have forgotten her what she's done and just forgiven
Speaker 2: her easily. And I think it's going to take more
Speaker 2: than that to change her image. She's actually going to
Speaker 2: start having to action these apologies.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I didn't like about this apology
Speaker 1: and a lot of influencer apologies. I mean, yes, it
Speaker 1: was well written. It's quite clear that a PI agency
Speaker 1: or a manager has helped her put this together. But
Speaker 1: I always hate the way that they seem to touch
Speaker 1: on self growth and discovery, and I don't know, it
Speaker 1: just doesn't really come across as genuine to me. It
Speaker 1: comes across as a bit wanky. I'd rather people just,
Speaker 1: you know, forget about talking about their spiritual journeys and
Speaker 1: just say I was a bit of a dickhead growing up? Well,
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 2: Because self growth is actually really difficult to show on
Speaker 2: a YouTube video. I mean that people can talk about
Speaker 2: journaling and reflecting, meditating, and I feel like those are
Speaker 2: trendy ways that people think that they show self growth,
Speaker 2: but it is really something that is impossible to show
Speaker 2: when you work on yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's pretty amazing because the day the apology
Speaker 1: came out, she recorded one four hundred and twenty new followers.
Speaker 1: Then the following day she got twenty eighteen new followers,
Speaker 1: and the next day one thousand and forty six, and
Speaker 1: up until then she was gradually losing hundreds of followers
Speaker 1: by the day. I wonder if that also had a
Speaker 1: bit to do with her return, because she could see
Speaker 1: her follow account dwindling, and of course that would be
Speaker 1: in reaction to the tweets, but also because she had
Speaker 1: been inactive for so long, people would think, why am
Speaker 1: I following this? She's not even sharing on here anymore.
Speaker 1: So will you go watch her content if she does
Speaker 1: come back to YouTube, I'll definitely watch the first video
Speaker 1: that drops to see.
Speaker 2: What is going on. In terms of her channel, I
Speaker 2: did used to like watching vogmas, but I found that
Speaker 2: her vlogs were very long and boring and not much
Speaker 2: actually happens in them.
Speaker 1: I used to enjoy her content because it did feel
Speaker 1: really wholesome and you know, like you're sitting down with
Speaker 1: a friend. However, I think it will be difficult to
Speaker 1: reconnect with her in that way. That being said, I
Speaker 1: do hate to use the term hate watch, but I
Speaker 1: do watch a lot of influencer content of people that
Speaker 1: I don't particularly like. So it might be one of
Speaker 1: those things where you're sort of keeping an eye on
Speaker 1: what happens just for the tea. I did enjoy her
Speaker 1: content before this controversy, and as you said, Kay, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be interested to see what the first video is. However,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's ever going to be the same anyway.
Speaker 1: I need help revising what subjects do you do? What now? Yes? Now,
Speaker 1: cetting design and PA pe yep. And that's an actual
Speaker 1: as level at the school I now attend, is it?
Speaker 2: Oh Gods, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Neil go for Sarah's Day has revealed she previously suffered
Speaker 1: from body dysmorphia. On her podcast The Health Code, she
Speaker 1: opened up about her fad dieting and how it drove
Speaker 1: her distorted views of her body. Now, firstly, for those
Speaker 1: who don't know Amy, what exactly is body dysmorphia? So,
Speaker 1: body dysmorphia is a mental health condition where you can't
Speaker 1: stop thinking about your perceived defects or flaws in your appearance.
Speaker 1: So generally it's a flaw that's really minor to other people,
Speaker 1: and sometimes people don't even notice what this flaw is.
Speaker 1: So those who have body dysmorphia intensely focus on their
Speaker 1: appearance and body image. They may repeatedly check the mirror
Speaker 1: or seek reassurance, sometimes for many hours each day. So
Speaker 1: sop It was actually Kurt who questioned Sarah about her
Speaker 1: body image on the podcast, so he flat out asked her,
Speaker 1: did you have body dysmorphia when you were trying out
Speaker 1: all those fad diets? And Sarah flat out replied yes. Now,
Speaker 1: Sarah explained that she felt embarrassed being a fitness influencer
Speaker 1: at the time because she thought she didn't live up
Speaker 1: to the expectation of what a fitness influencer should look like.
Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to what Sarah said exactly.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I thought, how embarrassing that, like, I'm on social
Speaker 3: media to be this fitness person and like I look
Speaker 3: like this. I honestly thought I had so much weight
Speaker 3: to lose and I was so flabby and squishy, and
Speaker 3: I look back I'm like I look twelve, so I
Speaker 3: was so lean and not in a cool way in
Speaker 3: like a oh seah, like what are you doing? I
Speaker 3: truly eat for beautiful skin and beautiful hair and a
Speaker 3: mind that can concentrate, like I eat so much for
Speaker 3: my mind now.
Speaker 2: Now, this admission has led to a lot of questions
Speaker 2: about whether Sarah should now remove her old YouTube videos,
Speaker 2: which glorifies these fad diets, and I.
Speaker 1: Would tend to agree.
Speaker 2: I just don't think she should be able to say
Speaker 2: something like this and then keep online all this harmful
Speaker 2: content that is going to make other people follow what
Speaker 2: she was doing. Well, what's most disturbing about these videos
Speaker 2: is these are the videos.
Speaker 1: That made Sarah blow up on YouTube. So there's obviously
Speaker 1: a reason why she hasn't deleted them because I'm assuming
Speaker 1: they are still making her a lot of money, and
Speaker 1: they're probably being viewed weekly by hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 1: impressionable people who may discover her from these videos. When
Speaker 1: you do look back at some of her old videos,
Speaker 1: a lot of them are what I eat in the
Speaker 1: day video, so they're basically a step by step guide
Speaker 1: of how to eat like Sarah's day when she was
Speaker 1: suffering from body dysmorphia. So it's really frightening that this
Speaker 1: sort of content is out there. And although she does
Speaker 1: seem to think that she's moved past this and is
Speaker 1: eating in a healthier way, I do think she probably
Speaker 1: has some of those thoughts still there, because on the
Speaker 1: podcast she was saying, Oh, I now will eat sour
Speaker 1: dough bread, and I eat healthy eighty to ninety percent
Speaker 1: of the time. And I don't know, I just feel
Speaker 1: like it's still quite dangerous to have someone using their
Speaker 1: platform to promote healthy lifestyle and healthy eating when they're
Speaker 1: still suffering from something clearly themse what about when she said, oh,
Speaker 1: I now just eat for my skin and hair, And
Speaker 1: I was like, well, what about just eating to, you know,
Speaker 1: out of enjoyment. Why does it have to be for something? Well,
Speaker 1: on her Instagram story the other day, she sard that
Speaker 1: she went into a shop and she had to stop
Speaker 1: herself from buying this large bag of life Savor Apple
Speaker 1: Sherbet lollies, which looked delicious, and she was saying how
Speaker 1: she yeah, and she was saying how she and curred
Speaker 1: her on these diets at the moment where it was
Speaker 1: mainly her Kurts not sticking to it, but you know,
Speaker 1: she's feeling really good, eating healthy, and instead of that,
Speaker 1: she might have, you know, a date covered in peanut
Speaker 1: butter or something that's terrible. That's and I was like,
Speaker 1: you would have actually been so much more relatable to
Speaker 1: just go out and get the bag of lollies. I
Speaker 1: mean I saw these bag of lollies in question and
Speaker 1: actually went out that night and bought them. They looked
Speaker 1: so good.
Speaker 2: Did anyone else think that she put it on her
Speaker 2: story to keep herself accountable so that she wouldn't go
Speaker 2: back and eat the lollies because I was giving me
Speaker 2: vibes because you didn't really need to post that it's
Speaker 2: a weird little food journal almost.
Speaker 1: Does anyone else think it's a little bit awkward that
Speaker 1: she has made this admit because I feel like she
Speaker 1: thinks she's being relatable by saying it. However, it just
Speaker 1: contradicts their whole brand because Sarah is known as a
Speaker 1: fitness influencer. That's what she's made her money on. Yet
Speaker 1: she's saying, actually, I had body dysmorphia, I wasn't eating
Speaker 1: proper food. It's just super awkward. I feel like it'd
Speaker 1: be more powerful if she actually came out with a
Speaker 1: post on an Instagram story or did a video announcing
Speaker 1: that she did previously suffer from it, and perhaps get
Speaker 1: some experts involved, and you know, had a bit more
Speaker 1: thought behind how she was going to report that information
Speaker 1: to her following, rather than just sort of touching on
Speaker 1: it briefly on a five minute podcast episode and then
Speaker 1: going through and deleting the content like that's the most
Speaker 1: important thing. Why hasn't she deleted the content if she
Speaker 1: realizes at the time there was something distorted with the
Speaker 1: way that she was eating and the way she viewed
Speaker 1: her body.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's all we've got time for today.
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