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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. You're dose of the hottest

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Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Sophie

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Speaker 1: Torbert and I'm joined by my sisters and journalists Kate

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Speaker 1: and Amy. On today's show, El Darby returns to social

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Speaker 1: media following those racist tweets, Sammy Robinson's multi million dollar payday,

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Speaker 1: and Sarah's day opens up about her body dysmorphia.

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Speaker 2: Now, so before we get into it, I need to

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Speaker 2: shame you because I received a very panicked call from

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Speaker 2: you and Amy. You've just been on a five k

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Speaker 2: walk and you lost your car keys during that walk,

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Speaker 2: so you could not get home. Amy's keys were inside

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Speaker 2: your car. What is going on with you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? It wasn't my finest hour, But sadly, I'm quite

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Speaker 1: known for doing Steve a chit like this. It always

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Speaker 1: happens to me. Every time it happens, I text my

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Speaker 1: boyfriend and say, why does this happen to me all

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Speaker 1: of the time.

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Speaker 2: I have to admit I did tell some of our

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Speaker 2: mutual friends and most of their responses was that seems

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Speaker 2: like a very so thing to do.

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Speaker 1: It is Sophia is literally that person that will lose

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Speaker 1: an important usb. You have lost house keys before, so

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Speaker 1: it wasn't surprising when you turned to me and said, oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't have my key. Well, it's the worst because

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Speaker 1: sometimes I get you to hold stuff for me on

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Speaker 1: a walk, because you're usually in your puffa jacket and

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Speaker 1: I was wearing well, I thought I was wearing my

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Speaker 1: Lorna Jane tights that don't have pockets, because usually I

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Speaker 1: would put my key safely in my pocket. And you're

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Speaker 1: really mad at me, Amy, and you're like, why don't

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Speaker 1: you put it in your fucking pocket? And then I said,

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Speaker 1: because these parts don't have any pockets, and then you're like,

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Speaker 1: they do, look to your side, they do.

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Speaker 2: So can I maybe purchase you a dog walking bag

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Speaker 2: that you can put your keys in. I really need

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Speaker 2: bags and phone because this just I couldn't believe when

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Speaker 2: you said you just hold your key on your finger

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Speaker 2: like what.

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Speaker 1: She was hilarious because it got pretty desperate. So we

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Speaker 1: retraced our steps for five k's and the sun was out,

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Speaker 1: so I told Sophie's boyfriend to come and rescue us,

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Speaker 1: and we told him to bring a coat hanger down

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Speaker 1: because Sophie's car had previously been broken into it, so

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Speaker 1: I felt like we might be able to get in

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Speaker 1: through the window anyway. So we looked so Dodgy were

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Speaker 1: standing down this street, and I need to set the scene.

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Speaker 1: Sophie's wearing her white pajama top that she got from

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Speaker 1: Gray Lines. It says hornbag on it. I actually I

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Speaker 1: wore it to bed and I thought, oh, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just wore wear it on the walk this morning, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't think i'd come into contact with so many people.

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Speaker 1: And when the RAA guy came, I did have to

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Speaker 1: chuck your jacket on, Amy because I thought, oh, this

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Speaker 1: is a bit of a weird look. The most annoying

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Speaker 1: thing was I could see my keys that I had

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Speaker 1: left in your car, and I had a wet vacuum

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Speaker 1: cleaner that I used for my end of lease clean

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Speaker 1: in my own car that I needed to return. So

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Speaker 1: I was absolutely fuming at you, and so Sophie's boyfriend

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Speaker 1: and I were just ragging on her the whole time.

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Speaker 1: I actually felt sorry for myself, but I just defending myself.

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Speaker 1: Here was a complete accident. It's not like I'm maliciously

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Speaker 1: you know. It was on this walk and threw the

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Speaker 1: keys in the books call.

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Speaker 2: Though, how did you not feel or hear the It's

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Speaker 2: like a transponder key drop because it's not like it's

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Speaker 2: just one single key. It's got you know, like the

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Speaker 2: buttons and stuff on it that surely would have made

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Speaker 2: a sound.

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Speaker 1: I detached my normal keys, which have key rings and

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Speaker 1: everything from it. It's quite a light key, so I

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Speaker 1: don't know that. And that's the most annoying thing when

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Speaker 1: you lose something and everyone's like, well, do you remember

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Speaker 1: where you dropped it? And it's like, well, it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be lost if I remember where I dropped it, But

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Speaker 1: it always is in the last place you look a me.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you need a lanyard. Remember when they were in

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Speaker 2: a lanyard.

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Speaker 1: I'm not in your eight Kate. I don't think I'm

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Speaker 1: going to start wearing a lanyard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but all that shit's coming back in maybe you

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Speaker 2: should bring.

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Speaker 1: It back to you. True.

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Speaker 2: I never thought i'd say this, but the sky Wheatley

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Speaker 2: Rat saga has continued this week, and for those listeners

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Speaker 2: who are a bit squeamish, I'll just add a trigger

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Speaker 2: warning here. You may want to fast forward, particularly if

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Speaker 2: you are eating now as a refresher. Last week, Sky

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Speaker 2: shared that she had taken a liking to a litter

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Speaker 2: rats were abandoned by their mother. Now, Sky was quite

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Speaker 2: distraught by the incident and wanted to save the rats' lives. However, sadly,

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Speaker 2: to be euthanized. Now, this week, things got even weirder

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Speaker 2: when Sky's partner Lockie, shared that their son Forest was

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Speaker 2: taking a dead rat to KINDI for show and tell.

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Speaker 1: Now, the rat was in a plastic.

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Speaker 2: Container which had screws in the lids so it couldn't

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Speaker 1: What did you guys think about all of this? Well,

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Speaker 1: the listener actually forwarded me the post, which was put

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Speaker 1: up by Locke, Sky's partner, and I was in disbelief.

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Speaker 1: It was so gross to see a little boy holding

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Speaker 1: couldn't help but think how dangerous is this to send

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Speaker 2: Well, particularly when obviously we're talking about germs. But secondly,

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Speaker 2: about death. It's something that you know, you don't know

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Speaker 2: what parents have discussed with their children, So it's pretty

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Speaker 1: Also, it might prompt children to.

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Speaker 2: Go out and find dead animals and touch them, and

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Speaker 2: you know, that's just it's just disgusting and a lot

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Speaker 1: And as someone and as someone pointed out in our

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Speaker 1: Surely that was Mamma rat. Surely there aren't more rats

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Speaker 2: The thing is Sky was so distraught about having to

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Speaker 1: I did have to giggle when Lockie was like, he's

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Speaker 1: long gone, mate, He's long gone. Have you ever heard

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Speaker 1: of the bubonic plague? Manuel? It was very popular here

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Speaker 3: A lot of pedigree hamsters came over on ships from Siberia.

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Speaker 3: Hamster is not hamster. Hamsters are small and cuddly. Cuddle this.

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Speaker 2: Recently, we discussed how Sammy Robinson's fashion brand One Mile

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Speaker 2: attracted mainstream media attention when at debooed at Australian Fashion Week. Now,

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Speaker 2: most of the media commentary centered around the shift we've

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Speaker 2: was seen as pretty tacky to have influences in attendance

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Speaker 2: the information around one mile sales and revenue. And this

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Speaker 2: week Sammy subtly gave us an insight into just how

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Speaker 2: much one Mile has potentially made in the last two years.

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Speaker 2: So can you talk us through what happened in this

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Speaker 1: Well? In the latest video, Sammy took viewers behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of one miles debut at Fashion Week, and in

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Speaker 1: the video, Sammy and her staff celebrated one Mile's second

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Speaker 1: birthday with a cake and also a birthday card listing

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Speaker 1: the milestones they have achieved as a brand now. Sammy

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Speaker 1: showed the card to the camera, which read, today is

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Speaker 1: our second birthday. So far, we have ninety two thousand followers,

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Speaker 1: donated forty eight thousand dollars, made forty nine thousand orders,

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Speaker 1: when I saw that one Mile had sold over eighty

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Speaker 1: suppose you never really truly know how successful these influencer

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Speaker 1: you don't actually know how many units of clothing that was.

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Speaker 1: And of course the fact that Sammy was showing her

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Speaker 1: somewhat successful. The numbers really do help to put that

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Speaker 1: each item, which equates to a whopping eight point four

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Speaker 2: The number really stood out to me because the figures

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Speaker 2: were very similar to the sales of the Inspired Unemployed

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Speaker 2: beer brand Better Beer. So, for those who missed it,

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Speaker 2: last week, it was revealed that the brand had generated

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Speaker 2: ten million dollars worth of sales since its launched six

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Speaker 2: months ago. Now, I originally thought that Jack and Falcon

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Speaker 2: that was pretty naive of me, because the boys were

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Speaker 2: actually approached by Better Beer's founders, Nick Koger and Mighty Craft,

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Speaker 2: the company for their seal of approval, and the founders

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Speaker 2: believed with the right marketing, their low carb zero sugar

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Speaker 2: think even they anticipated just how popular it would be.

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Speaker 2: With the Inspired unemployees backing, Better Beer is the fastest

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Speaker 2: which is pretty incredible. It's pretty reminiscent of Abby Chatfield's

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Speaker 2: success with Bush the sex toy Company, because they had

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Speaker 2: the product already. They say that Abby obviously had a

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Speaker 2: little bit to do.

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Speaker 1: The design of it, but it's an example of brands

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Speaker 1: that just grab these influences and make them the face

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and with this media coverage around the Inspired Unemployed

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Speaker 2: Beer brand, it was almost like, wow, look at them,

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Speaker 2: They're so successful. They've helped make ten million dollars worth

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Speaker 2: was young when she did put these things out. I

435
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Speaker 2: do think it is an improvement on the past apology, though.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we've seen so many influencer apologies this

437
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Speaker 1: year and also in twenty twenty one, and what a

438
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Speaker 1: lot of influencers generally don't do is make the apology

439
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 1: she a fixture on their feed, but she actually has.

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Speaker 1: She didn't go down the route of having the traditional

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Speaker 1: black background with the white writing. She made it a

442
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Speaker 1: little more aesthetic for her feed because it is going

443
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Speaker 1: to be a permanent fixture. And it's interesting because when

444
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Speaker 1: she uploaded the apology, she also changed her Instagram profile

445
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Speaker 1: to a pick of her her fiance Con and also

446
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 1: her son, Saint on the Beach Eagle Eyede. Followers also

447
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 1: noticed the con has removed part time YouTuber from his bio,

448
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 1: and neither Con or Elle have their YouTube channel linked anymore.

449
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 1: All they have is links to their clothing brands. So

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Speaker 1: this has led some followers to speculate that the couple

451
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Speaker 1: are planning a complete rebrand. So instead of sticking with

452
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Speaker 1: El Darby as a solo YouTube account, many think that

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Speaker 1: they are going to change their account over to a

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Speaker 1: family channel name, perhaps the Swift Family. And this could

455
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Speaker 1: help brands who were unaware of the controversies still want

456
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Speaker 1: to work with her because when they go to Google

457
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Speaker 1: Swift Family, they aren't going to come up with all

458
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Speaker 1: of this awful news about her.

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Speaker 2: Gods, that's pretty clever because I think it makes sense

460
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Speaker 2: as a natural progression for someone like Elle, who is

461
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Speaker 2: getting married and has a child to turn her channel

462
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Speaker 2: into a family channel. And I think that would be

463
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Speaker 2: very clever, particularly to change her name to Elle swift

464
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Speaker 2: publicly now that there is so much negativity link to

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Speaker 2: the name El Darby.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Kay, And she has backed up the

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Speaker 1: apology the next day by sharing a photo in her

468
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Speaker 1: feed of her and her family on the beach and

469
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 1: she wrote a forever thing. She then collaborated on the

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Speaker 1: post with Con so it appeared on his feet and

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Speaker 1: this is the first sign of life from Con. This

472
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Speaker 1: is the first post that he has been part of.

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Speaker 1: And many followers were over the moon that she was back,

474
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Speaker 1: writing oh my God, look at Saint. Welcome back both

475
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Speaker 1: of you. The comeback is always stronger than the setback,

476
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Speaker 1: while another user wrote Saint's so big now, good to

477
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Speaker 1: see you back. Remember us angels that stayed loyal through

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Speaker 1: and through. And I did notice that Elle was quick

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Speaker 1: to comment on a lot of her followers posts, writing

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Speaker 1: love hearts or nice mess just back to them. So

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Speaker 1: it's obvious that she is trying to stay in the

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Speaker 1: good books with her followers.

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Speaker 2: Do you know who probably was even more excited than

484
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: Elle's angel fans. It would have been the people on

485
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Speaker 2: Tattle Life. They would have been frothing that Elle is

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Speaker 2: back and that they can pick her life to pieces. Again.

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Speaker 1: Well, many have been putting the time of the reappearance

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Speaker 1: under the spotlight. So one Twitter user roade Lle doing

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Speaker 1: a resurrection on a random Sunday is wild. Oh no, wait,

490
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 1: it's been four months since her last video, and YouTube

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Speaker 1: stops paying if you're inactive for six months, so she

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Speaker 1: needs to test the waters. What do you guys think

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Speaker 1: about that comment and also the timing of the post. Well,

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Speaker 1: I didn't actually know that about YouTube, so I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be surprised. I mean, it does feel like it's been

496
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Speaker 1: such a long time since the incident that in my mind,

497
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Speaker 1: it almost feels like a good time for l to return.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, it's not.

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Speaker 2: Like she uploaded a YouTube video exactly five and a

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Speaker 2: bit months, so I don't know if the six months

501
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: really comes into it. I think she's left it a

502
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: long enough time that it seems like people actually want

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00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: her back. I don't recall another influencer having this sort

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Speaker 2: of radio silence since a big scandal like this. The

505
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 2: only other person I can think of is Shane Dawson

506
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Speaker 2: after his scandals, who went mia on YouTube for probably

507
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: nearly a year. Think about James Charles, who always seems

508
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Speaker 2: to find himself in controversies and they end up just

509
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Speaker 2: using it as clickbait. At least L hasn't gone down

510
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: that path, But I suppose I can see the frustration

511
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Speaker 2: with many people because it appears that now that she's back,

512
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: people have forgotten her what she's done and just forgiven

513
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Speaker 2: her easily. And I think it's going to take more

514
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Speaker 2: than that to change her image. She's actually going to

515
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Speaker 2: start having to action these apologies.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I didn't like about this apology

517
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Speaker 1: and a lot of influencer apologies. I mean, yes, it

518
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: was well written. It's quite clear that a PI agency

519
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: or a manager has helped her put this together. But

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Speaker 1: I always hate the way that they seem to touch

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00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: on self growth and discovery, and I don't know, it

522
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Speaker 1: just doesn't really come across as genuine to me. It

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Speaker 1: comes across as a bit wanky. I'd rather people just,

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Speaker 1: you know, forget about talking about their spiritual journeys and

525
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: just say I was a bit of a dickhead growing up? Well,

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Speaker 1: is it?

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Speaker 2: Because self growth is actually really difficult to show on

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Speaker 2: a YouTube video. I mean that people can talk about

529
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Speaker 2: journaling and reflecting, meditating, and I feel like those are

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Speaker 2: trendy ways that people think that they show self growth,

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Speaker 2: but it is really something that is impossible to show

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Speaker 2: when you work on yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's pretty amazing because the day the apology

534
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: came out, she recorded one four hundred and twenty new followers.

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Speaker 1: Then the following day she got twenty eighteen new followers,

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Speaker 1: and the next day one thousand and forty six, and

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00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: up until then she was gradually losing hundreds of followers

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Speaker 1: by the day. I wonder if that also had a

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Speaker 1: bit to do with her return, because she could see

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Speaker 1: her follow account dwindling, and of course that would be

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Speaker 1: in reaction to the tweets, but also because she had

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00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: been inactive for so long, people would think, why am

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00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: I following this? She's not even sharing on here anymore.

544
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 1: So will you go watch her content if she does

545
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 1: come back to YouTube, I'll definitely watch the first video

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00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: that drops to see.

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00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: What is going on. In terms of her channel, I

548
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 2: did used to like watching vogmas, but I found that

549
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: her vlogs were very long and boring and not much

550
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: actually happens in them.

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Speaker 1: I used to enjoy her content because it did feel

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00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: really wholesome and you know, like you're sitting down with

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Speaker 1: a friend. However, I think it will be difficult to

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00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: reconnect with her in that way. That being said, I

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00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: do hate to use the term hate watch, but I

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00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: do watch a lot of influencer content of people that

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00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: I don't particularly like. So it might be one of

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00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: those things where you're sort of keeping an eye on

559
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: what happens just for the tea. I did enjoy her

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Speaker 1: content before this controversy, and as you said, Kay, I'm

561
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 1: going to be interested to see what the first video is. However,

562
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: I don't think it's ever going to be the same anyway.

563
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: I need help revising what subjects do you do? What now? Yes? Now,

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00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: cetting design and PA pe yep. And that's an actual

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Speaker 1: as level at the school I now attend, is it?

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Speaker 2: Oh Gods, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Neil go for Sarah's Day has revealed she previously suffered

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Speaker 1: from body dysmorphia. On her podcast The Health Code, she

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Speaker 1: opened up about her fad dieting and how it drove

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Speaker 1: her distorted views of her body. Now, firstly, for those

571
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: who don't know Amy, what exactly is body dysmorphia? So,

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00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: body dysmorphia is a mental health condition where you can't

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Speaker 1: stop thinking about your perceived defects or flaws in your appearance.

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Speaker 1: So generally it's a flaw that's really minor to other people,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes people don't even notice what this flaw is.

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Speaker 1: So those who have body dysmorphia intensely focus on their

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Speaker 1: appearance and body image. They may repeatedly check the mirror

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00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: or seek reassurance, sometimes for many hours each day. So

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Speaker 1: sop It was actually Kurt who questioned Sarah about her

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Speaker 1: body image on the podcast, so he flat out asked her,

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Speaker 1: did you have body dysmorphia when you were trying out

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Speaker 1: all those fad diets? And Sarah flat out replied yes. Now,

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Speaker 1: Sarah explained that she felt embarrassed being a fitness influencer

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Speaker 1: at the time because she thought she didn't live up

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Speaker 1: to the expectation of what a fitness influencer should look like.

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Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to what Sarah said exactly.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I thought, how embarrassing that, like, I'm on social

588
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 3: media to be this fitness person and like I look

589
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Speaker 3: like this. I honestly thought I had so much weight

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Speaker 3: to lose and I was so flabby and squishy, and

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00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 3: I look back I'm like I look twelve, so I

592
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: was so lean and not in a cool way in

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Speaker 3: like a oh seah, like what are you doing? I

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00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:35,239
Speaker 3: truly eat for beautiful skin and beautiful hair and a

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Speaker 3: mind that can concentrate, like I eat so much for

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Speaker 3: my mind now.

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Speaker 2: Now, this admission has led to a lot of questions

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Speaker 2: about whether Sarah should now remove her old YouTube videos,

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00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: which glorifies these fad diets, and I.

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Speaker 1: Would tend to agree.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think she should be able to say

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00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: something like this and then keep online all this harmful

603
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: content that is going to make other people follow what

604
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: she was doing. Well, what's most disturbing about these videos

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00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: is these are the videos.

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Speaker 1: That made Sarah blow up on YouTube. So there's obviously

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Speaker 1: a reason why she hasn't deleted them because I'm assuming

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00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: they are still making her a lot of money, and

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00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: they're probably being viewed weekly by hundreds of thousands of

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00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: impressionable people who may discover her from these videos. When

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00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: you do look back at some of her old videos,

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00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: a lot of them are what I eat in the

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00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: day video, so they're basically a step by step guide

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Speaker 1: of how to eat like Sarah's day when she was

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00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: suffering from body dysmorphia. So it's really frightening that this

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00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: sort of content is out there. And although she does

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00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: seem to think that she's moved past this and is

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00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: eating in a healthier way, I do think she probably

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Speaker 1: has some of those thoughts still there, because on the

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00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: podcast she was saying, Oh, I now will eat sour

621
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Speaker 1: dough bread, and I eat healthy eighty to ninety percent

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Speaker 1: of the time. And I don't know, I just feel

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Speaker 1: like it's still quite dangerous to have someone using their

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00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: platform to promote healthy lifestyle and healthy eating when they're

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00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: still suffering from something clearly themse what about when she said, oh,

626
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Speaker 1: I now just eat for my skin and hair, And

627
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Speaker 1: I was like, well, what about just eating to, you know,

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Speaker 1: out of enjoyment. Why does it have to be for something? Well,

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Speaker 1: on her Instagram story the other day, she sard that

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Speaker 1: she went into a shop and she had to stop

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Speaker 1: herself from buying this large bag of life Savor Apple

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Speaker 1: Sherbet lollies, which looked delicious, and she was saying how

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Speaker 1: she yeah, and she was saying how she and curred

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Speaker 1: her on these diets at the moment where it was

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Speaker 1: mainly her Kurts not sticking to it, but you know,

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Speaker 1: she's feeling really good, eating healthy, and instead of that,

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00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: she might have, you know, a date covered in peanut

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Speaker 1: butter or something that's terrible. That's and I was like,

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Speaker 1: you would have actually been so much more relatable to

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Speaker 1: just go out and get the bag of lollies. I

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Speaker 1: mean I saw these bag of lollies in question and

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00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: actually went out that night and bought them. They looked

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Speaker 1: so good.

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Speaker 2: Did anyone else think that she put it on her

645
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Speaker 2: story to keep herself accountable so that she wouldn't go

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Speaker 2: back and eat the lollies because I was giving me

647
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Speaker 2: vibes because you didn't really need to post that it's

648
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Speaker 2: a weird little food journal almost.

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Speaker 1: Does anyone else think it's a little bit awkward that

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Speaker 1: she has made this admit because I feel like she

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Speaker 1: thinks she's being relatable by saying it. However, it just

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Speaker 1: contradicts their whole brand because Sarah is known as a

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Speaker 1: fitness influencer. That's what she's made her money on. Yet

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Speaker 1: she's saying, actually, I had body dysmorphia, I wasn't eating

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Speaker 1: proper food. It's just super awkward. I feel like it'd

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Speaker 1: be more powerful if she actually came out with a

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Speaker 1: post on an Instagram story or did a video announcing

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Speaker 1: that she did previously suffer from it, and perhaps get

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Speaker 1: some experts involved, and you know, had a bit more

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Speaker 1: thought behind how she was going to report that information

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Speaker 1: to her following, rather than just sort of touching on

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Speaker 1: it briefly on a five minute podcast episode and then

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Speaker 1: going through and deleting the content like that's the most

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Speaker 1: important thing. Why hasn't she deleted the content if she

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Speaker 1: realizes at the time there was something distorted with the

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Speaker 1: way that she was eating and the way she viewed

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Speaker 1: her body.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's all we've got time for today.

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