WEBVTT - DO YOU WANT TO LIVE FOREVER - DR NICK COASTWORTH 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:05.480 TV Reload the podcast last week. Neverlin, Hey guys, welcome 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:07.360 back to TV Reload. I want to thank you for 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:10.680 clicking and downloading on today's episode with doctor Nick Coatesworth, 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:12.920 who is currently on Channel nines Do You Want to 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:15.960 Live Forever? Which is on Monday nights at seven point thirty. 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:19.520 For the next few weeks, Esteam journalist Tracy Grimshaw and 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:23.320 medical expert doctor Nick Coatesworth have been putting four pairs 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:27.159 of everyday Australians under the microscope, testing the limits of 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:31.000 human longevity in a brilliant news series about our health. 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:35.760 Doctor Nick Coatesworth stands as Australia's foremost and widely recognized 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:40.360 medical authority and public health communicator. His unmatched depth of 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:44.239 experience in the delivery of healthcare extends from the frontline 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:48.960 rolls across four states and territories to international humanitarian disasters. 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.519 I have to say I absolutely loved catching up with 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.440 doctor Nick. He is a wealth of information and I 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.160 will also ask him about what it's like to share 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:00.160 his name with that Simpsons character Doctor Nick. Kind of 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.840 course I would ask an embarrassing question like that to 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.440 a health expert. I will talk about how he got 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.679 involved in the project, what Tracy Grimshaw brought to the show, 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.720 and if he helped cast Liberty and Eliza from the Block. 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.160 We will unpack the average Australian's health and find out 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:18.440 what life hack he learned during production that he is 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.160 still doing to this day. Doctor Nick will share his 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.360 thoughts on COVID and ozempic and I will ask about 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.399 his predictions on the long term effects of both of 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:30.600 those situations. You will find out how this show could 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:34.000 change your health routine with a dramatic twelve week shoot 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:38.640 that will most likely inspire the most complacent Australian. There's 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.480 actually so much to unpack with Doctor Nick, So sit 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.640 back and relax as we unpack the wonderful world of 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:46.880 Do You Want to Live Forever, which is now on 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:47.720 Channel nine. 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:51.760 How are you? I'm very well, Indeed, I appreciate the interest. 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.040 I was so excited to talk to you because I'm 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.400 going to say full disclosure. I saw the ad for 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:58.800 the show, I didn't think it was for me and 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.640 was unsure how I was going to react to this 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:03.680 new show, and then I'm obssessed. 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.080 Actually, that's wonderful to hear. Mate. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.360 Yeah, well, I feel like you know a lot of Australians. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.519 We all and I'm going to get into this, but 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.760 I think we're all very health conscious under the surface, 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.880 and I think we don't do anything about the issues 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:20.880 that we have with our own health. And then when 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:23.440 you see something like this show as a product on 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:27.679 the screen, it's really confronting. It's very informative, but it's 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:28.639 also entertaining. 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:32.079 Yeah, I reckon learn production really thread the needle on that, 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.400 and that's that's what I was hoping it would be. 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.520 But I'd also realized that that was the greatest challenge. Really. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:40.359 It's sort of the show that it's either going to 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:41.880 do really well or people are not going to watch 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:43.000 it at all, do you know what I mean. Like 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:45.839 it's it's either going to resonate and penetrate or it's 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.880 just going to fly under the radar, where I'm happy 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.040 to say that all of the people I've spoken to 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.959 are loving it, are talking about it, you know what 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.239 I mean. And that's that's what you need with shows 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:56.840 these days. 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:00.280 Yeah, well, you know, the whole ratings is and is 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.079 beyond me. It's a bit like me giving a Dexcess 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.240 scan or a Voto Max to a Channel nine exit 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:08.040 can asking them to interpret it. I really don't understand. 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.359 But I mean I think that idea that people are 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.960 talking about it, and that first segment where you know 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:18.720 it's from around the country, including many of m friends 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:22.120 of our family had jumped up and started doing the 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.400 one legged test as soon as soon as I was, 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.440 and so I did. My nine year old I love that. 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.120 And of course you know they were just standing for 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.040 about ten minutes on one leg with their eyes clothes. 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:31.880 But that's what you can do when you're nine years old. 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:33.800 Well, I don't want to tell you how long I 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.720 stood up for. I was like like a rist of Australia. 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:38.720 I stood up and stood on one leg and I 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.000 fell over straight away, and I was like, oh, we 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:41.680 did in a week. 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.760 That was probably the main explainer issue. So when I 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:48.840 stuck it on Instagram just a ninety second explainer, it 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:54.320 sort of punched through. It's not huge, but to my boats, 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:58.920 it's huge. Twenty thousand years and twenty four hours. People 0:03:58.920 --> 0:03:59.600 were interested. 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.640 No, that's good. No one ever comments anything like that 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.400 on my social media, so that's a good sign. It's 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:07.760 a good sign. You're an influencer. 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:11.280 Now doctor Nick ah local may it continue? 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.680 Well, that's one of the funniest things about this was 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:15.360 that I was talking to a friend of my last night. 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.799 I say, I'm so excited I'm talking to doctor Nick tomorrow, 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.560 and they said, doctor Nick from The Simpsons. Do you 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:21.440 know that reference? 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:26.600 I know that it very much dates people, because you've 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.760 got to be a sense about thirty five or above 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:31.279 for that to mean anything. 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.240 Is that you just waiting for that doctor Nick reference 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:38.080 to slowly dissipate as we move further and further away 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:39.080 from The Simpsons. 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.039 Yeah, yeah, I as I it was like the age 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.599 more than the first episode, as I'm most closer to 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:46.520 ninety the less that Simpson through it. 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:50.479 I can't believe I've even brought this up. This must 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.520 be so embarrassing. I'm gonna have to drop the audio 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.159 into the podcast so people under the age of thirty 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.440 five know what the hell we're talking about. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.080 Exactly. And to be honest, I do a horrible impression 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:04.840 of Nick rivievraship. 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:06.880 Do you come on? We've got to do that now. 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:11.320 You can't say no, We're sure, I'm mister mcgreg with 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:13.320 a leg for an arm and an arm for a leg. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:17.159 Okay, that's just yeah. My podcast has also got twenty 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.000 thousand views. How do you get approached for a show 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.560 like this? Because I'm sure there would be a lot 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.640 of people that could do or facilitate some of the 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:28.120 information that you're providing. Did you come with the show? Like, 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:29.239 how did this all come about? 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:33.880 Well? Interesting? Then I pitched the show to nine and 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:39.320 so it wasn't it was nothing new the longevity space 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:42.040 of course, Blue Zone and Netflix and Limitless I think 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.920 it already come out, but it was. It was more 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:48.599 just the angle of what can Australians take away from this? 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.440 And I guess my motivation. My motivation was twofold. Really, 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.599 I work and I have worked in public hospital since 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.479 two thousand and two, and you know, I obviously see 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:02.799 the consequences of the diseases of aging, and it really 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.560 it doesn't just take years off people's lives. It actually 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:11.040 ruins the last decade or two of people's lives. And 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.400 so you know, we could we could do something about 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:16.640 that that would be good. And the personal motivation was 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:18.960 that that happened to my old man. He got something 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.719 called fronto temporal dementia when he was very young, probably 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.760 in retrospect in his early sixties, died when he's sixty nine. 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.920 And you know, you'll say, actually, in episode three, I 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.800 think people people will see that that little little homage 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.920 to Dad comes through in one of those segments. 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.880 Wow. And then I mean, I didn't know that about 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.840 you present. You know, this is your concept and maybe 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:44.640 that says something about the research I do for these 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.800 podcasts full disclosure. But then did you have an idea? 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.000 Is that you wanted Tracy involved? Like how did Tracy 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.919 Grimshaw get involved with this? With this? Was that? Was 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.159 that an idea you had or did no? 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.240 Well, look it was. It was sort of a beautiful 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:02.359 culbination of I think three key decision points. The first 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:06.039 one was was the pitch. Now the pitch was four episodes, 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.000 the structure of the episode, in fact, the theme of 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:14.520 each episode was as I'd originally pitched it. Then you know, 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.760 learn Production's got to learn. Media got the contract and 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.240 Loan came up with the idea of the participants, and 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:25.440 then nine came in and said, listen, we would love 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.440 for Trace to be interested to be involved with this. 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:32.280 And you know, Tracy, she is a deeply curious person, 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.320 and it's unusual that I would find myself paired with 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.040 someone as curious or more curious than I am. And 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.560 so I think I think each of those three decisions, 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.040 which were independent and from each of the three main 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:47.040 parties involved, you know, they combined together really well. They 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:48.520 were three good ideas. 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:52.120 Yeah, and I think that's one of my favorite I'm 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:55.200 always drawn to curious people, you know, people that want 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.600 to aner questions, and like it's something Tracy does very 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:02.480 well in the sense that she is genuinely and deeply 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.920 interested in the subject matter, which I think then permeates 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:07.080 for the audience. 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.320 And then permeates for me. I mean I was watching 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:12.520 it and watching how Tracy was asking the questions, and 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.200 I mean my immediate reflection was, right, well, that was 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.320 a good decision. I went, I went to Okinawa and 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.640 did the you know, let's go into people's houses, have 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.360 the meals, all that kind of stuff, and then the 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:29.240 stuff that needed the Tracy Grimshaw, you know, I'm a 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:33.120 little bit on at a current affair here when you're 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.960 telling me that you're spending seven hundred thousand dollars picking 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.960 something up your nose like that is a spacial expression 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:44.199 only Tracy Grimshaw had, but doctor Nick. 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.360 You know, That's that's what's interesting about it. When you 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.480 talk about Tracy Grimshaw to people that I guess are 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.120 still watching Free to Wear television, she's kind of like 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:55.040 a god, do you know what I mean? Like people 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.280 who loved a Current Affair that loved her on all 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:01.080 people that still do love that show, but loved her 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.800 on that show. She owns that space and so she 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.200 brings that kind of understanding that that's her brand and 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.560 that's what she can do, and she can ask questions 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.600 about well, in the first episode, you know, how is 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:14.839 how is his poo? You know what I mean? 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:19.120 Like you, how does your poo? How's your sex? Like? 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:23.600 Not all those sort of questions, do you know? I mean, well, 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.760 you know, doctors obviously do have those old questions, but 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.439 not quite with that sort of professional journalism way. 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:35.360 Not on telling correct And then so were you a 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.199 fan of the block and that's how you got Liberty 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:42.600 and Eliza? Like how did they come onto the project? 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:47.439 Yeah? I mean the casting was obviously an agency did 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.640 that with nine and I just think we were we 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:54.080 were incredibly lucky. It is it is obviously partly that 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.880 they are on the block, but those two sisters are 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:01.000 very special individuals in the way that they can convey 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:05.080 a message where and they've also they're also go down 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.160 to earth about it, you know, particularly Eliza, and I 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:11.720 think Liberty also lives the life of someone who's an 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:15.679 optimizer and is deeply into her health, and just you know, 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:19.800 the juxtaposition of those two together, it's a really powerful message. 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:21.800 I really enjoyed working with them, you know, I mean 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:25.960 Luke and Taylor as well. My general clientele are older 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:29.400 than Edvar and Ellieanna, so the sixties and seventies, and 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.680 whilst that's a special and a privilege of being a doctor, 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.640 this was a different experience for me was I was, Yes, 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.600 we saw in episode one that every single one of 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.439 them had had health issues, and that was one of 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.560 the most important things of the show because they appear healthy. 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:49.080 They appear very healthy. But for me, dealing with yes, 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.760 essentially healthy people and then trying to extend their lifespan 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:54.680 now that that was a bit of fun. 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.840 Well, I felt really confronted with some of it because 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:01.440 I was like, well, the way I socialize, I absolutely 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:03.600 drink and I feel like that is a part of 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:07.680 my DNA now because I'm forty four and I've now 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.800 worked out that I as associate alcohol with my ability 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.280 to socialize, and this is really confronting even to even 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.439 say to you right now, like this makes me feel uncomfortable. 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.760 I also will socially smoke, and I think, oh, look, 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:24.280 that's fine. I'm not smoking all the time, so it's 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.319 not really affecting me. I mean, these are the lies 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.640 that I tell myself, and watching a show like this 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.920 it really does put you under the microscope and make 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.440 you realize that you need to be accountable for these 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.719 decisions that you're making, because they are going to make 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:39.360 you accountable for them at some point. 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.920 Yeah, they're very, very similar to the feedback I've got 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.480 from others and also myself better. I mean, we're all 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:50.839 we are all like that, and I would I share 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:55.840 that similarity with you, that I enjoyed socializing with alcohol 0:11:56.080 --> 0:12:00.640 and that sort of became bound to it. So what 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.719 do I do now, Well, I really have to make 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.600 sure that I don't go beyond three standard drinks in 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.160 a sitting. You know, I've got the deep impact of 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.880 Dad's illness on that he was a sort of inver 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.760 dial drinker. My old man like he would go through 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.640 four to six strong bows an evening, and just that 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.760 was fairly consistent when we were young, and that consumptions 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.720 that consumption's gone down. But I think for people of 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:30.280 our age, you know, forties and Liberty and Elves's age 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.360 in their thirties, the concept of binge drinking is something 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.720 that we haven't well had tackled yet as a society. 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:41.000 Chronic consumption of alcohol decreasing, binge drinking more than you 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:44.920 recommend it amount in an evening and in Alivesa's case, 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.120 well more that we haven't haven't tackled yet. And for 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.679 me it's as much of a problem I think. 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:52.760 But my question, and I think it's a lot of 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.240 people's question, and I don't know because I'm only up 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.760 to episode one. I want to know, like, are you 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.880 going to address how we need to break this, because 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.840 I think that's everyone's biggest obstacle. I think people are 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:05.720 going to watch the show. I think people are going 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.240 to put question marks about their lifestyle. But I want 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:13.240 to know about how we, as the everyday person is 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.959 going to break a routine such as punching, you know, 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.240 a couple of lines on your Friday night. Is that 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:20.839 going to be addressed in the show, because I think 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:22.920 that's going to be the biggest obstacle and if you 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:27.280 can penetrate the audience and help them make that change, 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.680 I think this show is going to help people live forever. 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:32.880 So you know how I say I think it doesn't 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:38.880 then that's because people will see that these are essentially 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.600 ordinary Australians. Yes, of course we know Duncan, we know 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.920 Liberty in our lives are from the block, but they're 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:48.800 leading the same lives as we are. And throughout all 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:54.000 the four episodes there is this really important theme of 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.680 choice and we don't try to quate simple with easy, 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.520 We don't ten than any of its, but we do 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.920 show that it's possible, I think, and that's going to 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.679 be the thing that people go by the end of it. Okay, Well, 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:12.959 if Envy and Eliana can go from zero exercise at all, 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.199 which is what Eleana admitted to in the first episode 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.720 where they get to in the fourth episode, which I 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.920 was highly spoiled, but if they if they see that, 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:24.680 they'll they'll turn around and go, well I can do 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:26.560 that as well, and this is not you know, This 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:30.400 is not people living in to Iraq or you know 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.320 Bondai Beach in Sydney. This is the suburb of Sydney 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.320 and Melbourne, Brisbane at Adelaide, And you know, we can 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.239 do it, and I think if we do do it, 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.360 it's changes the country. I mean, you know, my biggest 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.080 my biggest joy was going to Japan and seeing what 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.480 a traditional lifestyle in Okinawa can do for people in 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.080 their old in their older years. And we bring a 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:51.880 little bit of that. You know, we don't have to. 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.480 We're not looking for radical change, but we are looking 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:55.040 for change. 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.040 Bad time to mention this, but I'm recording this podcast 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.880 into reck that's from my day. I'm not giving my 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:03.960 address away. But it was funny when you said to 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:06.600 Rak it was so specific. I was like, is he 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:08.000 watching me like. 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:16.800 This? You see, coming from Perth and living my adult 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:20.960 life in Sydney. I was going, right, where's a al 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:21.840 in Melbourne? 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:23.800 It just came across really creepy. 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:26.480 Very sorry, Mabe. Now I know where you live, You'll 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.760 come down, We'll come and give you some health advice. 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.160 Well I need it. You know. There's a couple of 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.480 quick questions that I had and I think that they're important, 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:36.320 and I feel like you're going to be able to 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:40.280 answer them. For me, what's ozeenpic going to do for 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.400 people that are a part of that fad? I think 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.640 we'd all like to be skinny. I think we all 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.160 like to quick fix. But what are your thoughts on 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.160 something like this as a drug that people are now 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:53.200 using quite freely. 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.160 Well, my thoughts are very clear. Ozempic might be the 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.920 catalyst for change, but it won't deliver the change. It won't. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.320 It'll deliver a change whiles you're injecting it, and if 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.320 you want to inject something the rest of your life, 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.360 well I suppose so. But I think what it can 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.080 do is it can just give a kickstart to people. 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:14.640 Seeing results is difficult. If you start in changing your 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.960 diet or your exercise and you don't see results, that 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.280 can be very demotivating. So I definitely think it has 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.280 a place early on. It certainly has in weight loss. 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.280 I certainly think it has a place in what we 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:30.120 call more but obesity, where it is a health condition 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.320 that people may well need a decade or two of 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.360 this medication to address. I think there's kinic obesity clinics 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.680 in every public hospital in Australia that where people are 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.480 desperate for this medication. So, you know, for people who 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.400 are struggling to lose weight but they're not in the 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.560 more but obesity category, this can be a kickstarter. But 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.840 I reckon the show might just demonstrate some interesting results 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:55.360 and we certainly don't use any OZM pic so I 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.040 think we can we can look forward to episode forward 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:00.720 to see exactly how far we got with the participate. 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:02.320 Well, yeah, it's one of those things that we're going 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.560 to need to look at a lifetime before we can 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.840 see what that has done to people as well, if 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.400 that makes any sense. I feel like it's such an 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.320 well it's been around for about ten years. When I 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.080 did the research on it, because I was like, I'm 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:15.800 going to use it, you know, I want to lose 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.240 this bit of weight that I can't shift, and I 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.120 want to look like JACKIEO, you know who looks fantastic, 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:23.200 you know what I mean like. But then the more 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:24.840 and more research I did about it, the more and 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.320 more question marks I just had about the overall effect 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.000 on health long term. 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:33.399 Yes, I think at this stage new drug. Anytime we 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.720 have a new drug, we have to be very vigilant 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.320 about you know what the pharmacy companies either didn't find 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.080 out or if you're a conspiracy theorist, didn't disclose in 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:46.080 there in their research. And you know, I approach with caution. 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.920 I think that's always important and I'll always be someone 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:56.240 who advocates diet, exercise, sleep and stress over pharmaceutical use. 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.160 But as you know, equally, as a doctor, I prescribe 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:02.359 stuff all the time people who who need it. So 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:03.919 it's going to be it's going to be a healthy 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:05.320 combination of both two things. 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:07.840 I think that absolutely. And the other thing I have 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:12.119 was because you mentioned conspiracy theorists is I was curious 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.840 about this conversation that I've been having with my friends 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:19.720 for a good three years now. Drinking COVID has affected 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:23.399 my life spanned because I wonder because I'm from Melbourne. No, 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.760 we just worked out that I'm from Tuac, but you 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.160 know we were affected with the longest lockdown. I reckon 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.240 I'm going to live longer because I was at home 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.520 that time. I reckon that was just a pause on life. 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.439 Do you reckon that COVID in any way and what 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.639 happened to us all is going to affect the average 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:39.720 person's life span. 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:44.160 Well, interesting question. I don't think the virus itself will 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.320 because I think that you know, I think we've been 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:51.439 exposed to viruses throughout the past century or two, and 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:55.640 the past century or two has been the time when 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:59.480 we've seen greatest increases in longevity. So no, I can't 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:01.680 imagine that virus is going to shorten their lives. I think, 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.560 you know, for people, for people who were locked down 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.480 for a significant portion of a year or two, they're 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.240 going to have They're going to have time to make up. 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.800 You know, it's going to have an effect. I'm not 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.200 sure what sort of an effect, but it'll affect your fitness, 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.680 that'll effect your mental health, and both those things that 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:22.200 I do effect longevity. But my greatest joy now is 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:25.320 going down to Melbourne and see it recovering as a 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.600 vibrant and happy city. So I think it's well on 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:30.560 track to be a long lived city. 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:34.520 But I guess it always comes down to being circumstantial, 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:36.919 you know, and to the individual. Because like for me, 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:42.200 who's an introverted extrovert, I loved it. I don't know why. 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.520 It gave me the perfect amount of downtime because people 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:48.680 would see me as a big personality, but I require 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.560 an enormous amount of downtime to be that. It actually 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:53.800 was fine for me, but then it would affect the 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:57.199 mental health of another person who is an extrovert and 0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:59.000 gets all their energy from other people. You know what 0:19:59.040 --> 0:19:59.320 I mean? 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.320 Yeah, yeah, It'll affect different people in different ways. 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.000 Doctor Nick. I have to just finish. This is four 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:08.359 hundred episode four hundred and thirty, and every episode ends 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:10.600 with what is something from behind the scenes, something we 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.199 wouldn't know? Can you give me like a little what 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.880