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Speaker 1: Now we know that yesterday the CLP made what they've

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Speaker 1: described as an historic health announcement that's going to protect

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Speaker 1: all Territory children from the deadly Menager cockle disease. Now,

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Speaker 1: if elected, the COLP is going to make the costly

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Speaker 1: manager cockle bee vaccine free.

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Speaker 2: For Territory children right across the board.

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Speaker 1: Now, the announcement comes after years of lobbying and campaigning

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Speaker 1: by the family of Skyla Lawrence. You will know we've

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Speaker 1: spoken to that little family on numerous occasions on this show.

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Speaker 1: Young Skyler tragically died from the disease back in twenty

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Speaker 1: the opposition leader, joins me in the studio. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, Leah.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Leah, what does this announcement mean for Territory kids.

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Speaker 4: I think it's just such an important time to recognize

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Speaker 4: that we could be doing more as a community to

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Speaker 4: be protecting our kids going forward, and so making free

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Speaker 4: meningjerkocklebe vaccines was a no brainer for the CLP. And

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Speaker 4: you know, my heart goes out to Ash and Sally

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Speaker 4: Lawrence who have been tireless, fearless, courageous advocates for adopting

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Speaker 4: the courage they've shown has absolutely saved lives and it

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Speaker 4: will save lives going forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I cannot believe the strength and the courage

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Speaker 1: Right from you know, very soon after they passed away,

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Speaker 1: I've got kids. Our children have grown since that happened.

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Speaker 1: That family hasn't had that opportunity to see their little

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Speaker 1: you know, I.

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Speaker 2: Agree with this.

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Speaker 1: I think that this should be something that is available

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Speaker 1: to all territory families. At what cost is it going

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Speaker 4: It really is a drop in the ocean. It's five

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Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars a year. And what that means we're

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Speaker 4: actually doing a full catch up program. So that will

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Speaker 4: mean that all fifteen to nineteen year olds can get

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Speaker 4: to miss out. And this is a very expensive vaccine

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Speaker 4: if people have to pay for it themselves, it's about

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Speaker 4: two hundred dollars per vaccine. Babies need three, adolescents need two,

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Speaker 3: Now that is cost prohibitive.

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Speaker 4: This is a vaccine that not only can save lives,

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Speaker 4: but the debilitating impact. If you survive manajerkockle Bee, you

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Speaker 4: just for five hundred thousand dollars. I mean, you can

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Speaker 4: just think about how government wastes money. This is money

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Speaker 1: My understanding is that the government have said, and I

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Speaker 2: That doesn't seem to have happened by the federal government.

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Speaker 3: No, it hasn't.

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Speaker 4: And why should territory families wait, Why do we have

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Speaker 4: So not only again do we have that catch up program,

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Speaker 1: In year ten, Lea, I want to move along and

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Speaker 1: ask you about the situation with our road toll. We

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Speaker 2: What do you think needs to be done to try

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Speaker 1: And I mean, any death on the road is tragic,

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: I mean, just to think that many people have lost

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Speaker 4: people who choose to drink drive, they're not only putting

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Speaker 3: It's a horrible thing.

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Speaker 1: So reviewing driver education, personal responsibility is said three was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and greater enforcement by police, which means we have

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Speaker 1: Again, what do you make of the comments by the

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Speaker 1: Assistant command or sorry, the Assistant Commissioner, Matt hollandb calling

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Speaker 1: for a change to a law that allows alcohol ingestion.

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Speaker 2: By a vehicle driver.

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Speaker 1: So essentially, if someone's not over the limit, they can

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Speaker 4: Look, I think I'm not sure if the detail around that,

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Speaker 1: Now, I want to ask about these plans for what

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Speaker 1: Is it a good move?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's certainly a move that we support for remote

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Speaker 4: Important though, that the Liquor Commission are consulting with that community.

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Speaker 4: We know what I is experiencing extraordinarily high levels of

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Speaker 1: Now do you think I mean yeah, because that's my

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Speaker 1: I do think that these things need to be community leads. Yes,

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Speaker 4: That's right, And that's why with the alcohol limits, they're

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Speaker 4: incentivizing better behavior than it is around. You know, having

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a terrible situation.

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Speaker 1: LEA other news this morning, Minister for Local Government Chauncey

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Speaker 1: Paike placing the Kumali Community Government Council under official management

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Speaker 1: and all elected members have been suspended from office. The

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Speaker 1: what do you make of this decision?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels like it came out of nowhere, Katie.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there certainly hasn't been much media commentary about

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Speaker 4: a reflection on this labor Government's large community sorry, large

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Speaker 4: council structures aren't working. They're not supporting better outcomes for

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Speaker 4: questions around what has Labor been doing. Have we gotten

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Speaker 4: to a situation where we now have two councils in administration?

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Speaker 2: Well we also though have listeners.

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Speaker 1: Get in contact this morning Andrew and Lianya's message through

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Speaker 1: and said, Hi, Katy, I'm just wondering if the Minister

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Speaker 3: Well, great question, Great question.

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Speaker 4: And again you know we haven't heard much from a

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Speaker 4: deliberate strategy by the Labor Party. But he's popped his

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Speaker 4: he's got a lot of questions to answer about that.

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Speaker 1: If elect dude, are you going to take a closer

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Speaker 1: look into Tonguanjia Council, I mean the council the Alice

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Speaker 1: of people questioning this morning will hang on a sick

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Speaker 1: you know why there are a set of rules for

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Speaker 4: Fantastic point as well, and that's why we've called for

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Speaker 4: the audit. We need to look at how we're spending

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Speaker 4: what programs aren't. So this is all part of our

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Speaker 1: Lea, I want to ask you the Chief Minister Evil

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Speaker 1: Laula has reportedly slammed you and accused you of trying

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Speaker 1: to score political points with your proposal around bail legislation.

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Speaker 2: You've spoken quite a bit about the five point plan that.

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Speaker 1: for serious violent offenders. Now, from what I can gather

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Speaker 1: the under the Bail Act, breaching bail is an offense

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Speaker 1: is what the government's saying, punishable with up to two

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Speaker 1: start with a position of no bails. What is the

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Speaker 1: goal with these bail laws? I mean, are you being

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Speaker 4: I think the people being disingenuous is the government And

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Speaker 4: if any Territorian would believe that Labour's bow laws are working,

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's just laughable that Eva Laula

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Speaker 4: and given up. I mean, her only claim to fame

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Speaker 4: is a curfew, which is a band aid's solution after

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Speaker 4: serious violent crime has happened.

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Speaker 1: Just to get to the bottom of this, what like,

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Speaker 1: what is the go with these bail conditions?

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Speaker 3: Can you explain?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Is it currently a situation where.

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Speaker 1: You know where where it is actually you know like

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Speaker 1: where you don't just get you know, like where what

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Speaker 1: they're saying is correct.

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Speaker 3: No, No, So what they're saying is not correct.

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Speaker 4: So number one, the government has only changed bail for

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Speaker 4: people who use an edged weapon or a knife. We

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Speaker 4: fought tooth and nail to have that expanded to any weapon.

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Speaker 4: So I smashed up rum bottle, a star picket, you know,

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Speaker 4: weapons of opportunity. People can grab a lot of things

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Speaker 4: screwdriver for example, and kill you with it. And labor

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Speaker 4: didn't think those weapons were dangerous enough. We do, which

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Speaker 4: is why our law is so vastly different to labors.

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Speaker 4: Ours is to make any serious violent offender, which is

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Speaker 4: with or without a weapon, start with a position of nobu.

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Speaker 1: Just so I've got this really clear in my head. Ye,

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Speaker 1: what you are saying is that if somebody is on bail,

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Speaker 1: the changes that the COLP is proposing is that if

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Speaker 1: you're on bail, and you're involved in a crime with

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Speaker 1: any weapon, you will not get bailed again.

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Speaker 4: So no, So this is if you commit a crime

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Speaker 4: and then so you've committed a crime and you want

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Speaker 4: to obviously you would want to be let free if

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Speaker 4: you're the criminal, and the prosecution or the police would

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Speaker 4: want to keep you behind bars. If you committed that

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Speaker 4: a presumption against SPAO, which means it's tougher for you

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Speaker 4: to get bail under our laws. We're saying it shouldn't

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Speaker 4: just be restricted to very specific types of weapons. People

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Speaker 4: can use literally anything, including their fists, as weapons, and

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Speaker 4: so we're saying, forget about categorizing specific weapons.

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Speaker 3: Make it any violent offense.

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Speaker 4: So if you commit any serious violent offense, you rock

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Speaker 4: stop that person from getting bail again, which is what

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Speaker 4: we want. We want less people who are violent offenders

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Speaker 4: in our community getting bail.

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Speaker 1: And now I just want to take across thank you

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Speaker 1: for clarifying that. And I'm sure I've no doubt that

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Speaker 1: this is going to be a really big discussion point.

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Speaker 3: As it's very important.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: But look, I want to take your cross right now

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Speaker 1: because the Northern Territory Police have literally tissue to statement

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Speaker 1: burglaries in Catherine early this morning. So at about one

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Speaker 1: before fleeing the scene on foot. Now, the Catherine Criminal

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Speaker 1: Investigation Branch and Strikeforce Cerberus are investigating that and these

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Speaker 1: they're investigating these incidents overnight. Some of the scenes have

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Speaker 1: interest in this investigation. They are still calling for information

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Speaker 1: from the public. But look, we have had a string

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Speaker 1: mortifying where two women were indecently assaulted allegedly. As well,

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Speaker 1: we had one in Tenant Creek or a seventy five

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Speaker 4: This is horrifying, start terrifying, absolutely terrifying, and so bring

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Speaker 4: it on, Eva, Laula and Labor. If you want to

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Speaker 4: think that your bow laws are the same as ours,

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Speaker 4: you're living in a joke, because people right now are

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Speaker 4: terrified for their lives and for their families. I was

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Speaker 4: talking to me about she checks her CCTV of her

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Speaker 3: That is not normal behavior. People should not have to

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Speaker 4: It is not acceptable and I will die fighting for

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Speaker 4: a territory that is safe again Katie, because this is

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Speaker 4: a joke. It is unacceptable. Our laws need to be better,

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Speaker 4: We need to do better. We need to protect our

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Speaker 4: community back our police and offenders should be the ones

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Speaker 4: in detention, in prison, whatever it needs to be, boot camps,

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Speaker 4: a diversion, not Territorians locked up in their business and

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Speaker 1: Leah. On that note, we better leave it there. Always

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Thanks very much for having a chat

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Speaker 1: with us this morning, and certainly we deviated from the

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Speaker 1: topics I was planning on talking to you about, just

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Speaker 1: with that Catherine's stuff and also the bail laws, so

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Speaker 3: Very topical. Thanks Katie. Take care,