1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: You know that feeling when you look ahead to a 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: new year and realize you're not actually sure what you 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: want it to feel like. That's exactly where Lisa Leong 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: and I pick things up in part two of our 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: end of year reflection series. Today, we move from looking 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 1: back to intentionally designing the year ahead. If you're not 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: familiar with Lisa, she's an ABC broadcaster and host of 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: This Working Life, and she is also one of the 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: most thoughtful and reflective people I know, which makes her 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: the perfect person to explore these questions with. 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: In this episode, we. 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: Look at the small but powerful questions that will help 13 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: you shape a meaningful twenty twenty six. We get into 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: what an amazing year actually feels like, how to design 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: a perfect average day, and why planning your next year 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: as if it's already happened can change how you think 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: about it. And if you haven't listened to part one, 18 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: it's the perfect companion piece to this episode, and there 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: is a link to that in. 20 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 3: The show notes. Welcome to How I Work, a show 21 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 3: about habits, rituals, and strategies for optimizing your date. I'm 22 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: your host, Doctor Amantha Imber. 23 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 2: Liza. 24 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: We are back talking about our various methods for thinking 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: about the year that will be. And we're recording this 26 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: in December twenty twenty five, and we are thinking about 27 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. 28 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 2: Yes, so this is part two. We've done our retrospectives 29 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,919 Speaker 2: and we've got all of our lessons now, and now 30 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: we're going to say, Okay, so if we did want 31 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: to do something different, what would we do? Usually try 32 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: different processes. So I'm really intrigued. What have you decided 33 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: to do for your twenty twenty six. 34 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: So there's a couple of things that I'm drawing inspiration 35 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: from last episode, and I recommend going back and listening 36 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: to that now if you haven't. I talked about the 37 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: work by Bill Bennett and Dave Evans, who were Stanford 38 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: professors and their specialize in design thinking, and they wrote 39 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: a book called Designing Your Life, which was a very 40 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: popular way of applying design thinking principles which typically a 41 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: bad product like yeah, five products, and applying that to 42 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: your life. And so I've worked with AI to kind 43 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: of take my own stuff and what mattered to me 44 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: and their principles and turn it into I guess some 45 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: questions that I thought would be quite meaningful to reflect on. 46 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: And I will be doing this process with my husband, 47 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: so I'm going to reflect individually as will he. Does 48 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: he know that yet, I'm not sure if I've mentioned it. 49 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: I think I might have. 50 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: I thought you might have done it between part one 51 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 2: and part two. No, no, And actually we are. 52 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: We are going away to Byron Bay actually for a 53 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: few days, and yes, we'll be reflecting. 54 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: So I think what's really good is, particularly if. 55 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: You're doing it with people in your life, but even 56 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: if you're not, is to think about just your intentionality 57 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: going into a process like this. Yeah, and so one 58 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: of the things that this process that I have co 59 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: developed is a couple of like overarching questions, and that is, 60 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: what would an amazing twenty twenty six feel like for me? 61 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: And what would an amazing twenty twenty six feel like 62 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: for us? 63 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: And so then you'll reflect on that, we'll reflect on that. 64 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: Can I just ask some questions there? So when you're 65 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: doing that process, the one thing that I have found 66 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: helpful is instead of asking what would have been? I 67 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: tend to write it like it's happened? Have you ever 68 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: tried that? So I started off it'd be something like, oh, 69 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: it's December twenty twenty six. I had the most amazing year. 70 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: This is what happened. And the reason why I'm phrase 71 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: it like that is because it's a lot harder for 72 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: us to project the future that it is for us 73 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: to say, if this has happened and I have had 74 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: the most amazing year I've ever had, these are the 75 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: factors that went into it. And so that might be 76 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: just a way of phrasing that that might be helpful 77 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: for you. I like that, like a reverse obituary. 78 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, nice, I'm going to take that. So 79 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: another thing that we're going to do is I mentioned 80 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: in the last episode, doing an energy audit of the 81 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: year that has been and thinking about how we both 82 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: answer that. I wonder to reflect on what do we 83 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: want to do more of in twenty twenty six and 84 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: what do we want less of in twenty twenty six? 85 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: And is that in order to get to the energy 86 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: levels that you would like to cultivate in twenty twenty. 87 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: Six, specifically, yeah, energy and happiness and just meaning levels. 88 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that. And do you get to say 89 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: that about other people? That about your partners? This is 90 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: what I'd like you to do more and less of. 91 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: And another process that is kind of inspired by Bilb 92 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: Bennette and Dave Evans is like breaking it down into 93 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: something a bit more micro, so designing our ideal week 94 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: and designing an ideal quarter, so you know, thinking about 95 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: what are our ideal work hours, what does the ideal 96 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: amount of days off and holidays look like, what is 97 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: ideal for exercise, what is ideal for parenting and a 98 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: couple time and recovery On the rest I. 99 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: Eight around that. Yeah. One little build on that is 100 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: I often call it a perfect average day. 101 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: Oh. 102 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: I like that. You like that because then it just 103 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: takes that pressure off and it makes you realize that 104 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 2: this we want it to be replicable. It's not like, well, 105 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: my perfect day is that I'm sunning myself by the beach. 106 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: For my perfect average day, that's when I'm getting up 107 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: and I'm doing the things I need to do, but 108 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: we're doing it in a perfect way. I like that. 109 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: Now. I do also have some questions to share from 110 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: the year Compass, which was the tool that I mentioned 111 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: in the last episode. Yes, but before I go into that, 112 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: I want to know more about the process that you're using, 113 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: because you're I know you've got something quite specific that 114 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: you're doing this year. 115 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've changed it up. I can't remember what 116 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: I did last year. What can you last year? What 117 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: did you scrap that? Anyway, So I've decided to go 118 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 2: back to a process that I haven't done in a 119 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 2: long time, Amantha. And so I think last year I 120 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: probably just set an intention, to be honest, So this is, 121 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: you know, how I would like to vibe. Do you 122 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: know what? I probably have vibed the way I said 123 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: I was going to, so job done. Anyway, I'm going 124 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 2: to add to that. So this is way more specific. 125 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: So I'm going back to something that is akin to 126 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: a vision board. Actually it is a vision board. I'm 127 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: just saying that because I know there's a grown factor. 128 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: But can I just explain myself, Okay, So when I 129 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: say vision board, I'm saying that there are things that 130 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,119 Speaker 2: I've decided I would really like to have in my life, 131 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: you know, whether it be ways of being like just 132 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: things that i'd like to be doing more of. And 133 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: so I will find a picture on the Internet which 134 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: will encourage me to do that. And it could be 135 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: as simple as I would love to spend more time 136 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: in nature and maybe doing my tai chi. And so 137 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: I've got a picture of nature and tai chi, right, 138 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: and I'll literally print it off in color, and I 139 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: will stick that on a piece of paper. So i'll 140 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: have an A three. Is that a big one? And 141 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: there's pretty big? Yeah, okay, so pretty big, not just 142 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: because you're a one with the empty calendar calendar anyway, 143 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: A three. And then I've stuck it on there, right, 144 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: And then for other projects and things that I want 145 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: to do or realize, I will print off a representation 146 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: of that and I will stick it on the vision board. Now, 147 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: the reason why I find this particularly powerful is the 148 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: reticular activating system, which is part of us. And what 149 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: this system does is they call it the yellow car effect, 150 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: because you know, when you don't notice things, maybe you're driving, 151 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: and then somebody says something really specific, like okay, let's 152 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: play Spotto, and so then suddenly you can spot yellow 153 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: cars everywhere. That is your reticular activating system. It tells 154 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: you what to pay attention to. Because there's so much 155 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: data in the world, you can't actually pay attention to everything. 156 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: So many things happen around us, and we only focus 157 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: on the things that we deem important, whether through our intention, 158 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: or because I'm by a new car, I want this 159 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: type of car, and then suddenly we see them everywhere. 160 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: That's your articular activating system, and it works really well 161 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 2: when you have a kind of idea. And for me, 162 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: because I actually work well optically, like so I learned 163 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: that way. So putting things up helps me to realize 164 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 2: these things. And so I haven't done it for a 165 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 2: long time, but I've just basically stuck things up on 166 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: this vision board of things I would really like to 167 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: focus on next year. 168 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: And what questions did you ask yourself to get to 169 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: the bottom of that? 170 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, it was a little bit clearer about 171 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: my values, and so I've been doing a lot of 172 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: work on the things that are important to me in 173 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: terms of my values. And this is just really naturally 174 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: come out this year, I think, me being clearer about 175 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: my own values. And so then because I'm so clear 176 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: about my values, and because I want to align myself 177 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: consciously to that next year, and because I don't have 178 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: all the time in the world, there are so many 179 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: things that I'd love to contribute to and I want 180 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 2: to be really purposeful with that. So I've just taken 181 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: those really core things and I've just put it up 182 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: so it's a half reminder and you know, just that 183 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: little nudge that I can look at to say, you know, yes, 184 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 2: these are the things that I choose to focus on 185 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 2: for next year. And I'll share with you how to 186 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: turn this to life. Because at the moment, it's pictures 187 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: on a wall, Isn't it. 188 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: So so that there's anything wrong with that? 189 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: No, it's really pretty and it makes me happy. So 190 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: I've got my pretty pictures on the wall. I've activated 191 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: my reticular activating system and now you know, all the 192 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: hints and all the data is kind of there and 193 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 2: for me to follow that every day. And this is 194 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: something I used to do and I will be doing again. 195 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: Is because I'm now clear on what the key things 196 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 2: are my projects for next year. I will write down 197 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: at the top of the day the three big things 198 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 2: that I want to do. Some people call it big rocks, 199 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: you know, the big rocks, small rocks. So the big 200 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: rocks are the really important things that you want to do, 201 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: and you don't want to be carried away by the 202 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: little ad mini things. Okay, So I put the three 203 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: big rocks and then I'll put the one thing I 204 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 2: will do today to bring this big rock to life 205 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 2: in a small way. And I will do those three 206 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: things first before I read my emails. Actually I'm lying 207 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: because as you know, I don't even read my emails. Okay, anyway, 208 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: before I do anything else, read one of your email. Yes, 209 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 2: that's right. Which one is it? It changes, that's the problem. Anyway, 210 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: Enough about my problems, and guess what one of my 211 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: big rocks isn't read my emails. I'm telling you that 212 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: not not one of my values anyway, So it is 213 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: big rock. And then what's the one thing. Because I 214 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 2: just find it's so effective that you know, every quarter, 215 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 2: then I will have moved the dial on my big things. 216 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 2: And you know, in the past, you know, I've managed 217 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 2: to do some really amazing things that have made it 218 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: a difference in people's lives because I have stayed the 219 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: course on those. 220 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: With your vision board, because I like, when I think 221 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 1: of vision boards, I must admit I do think of 222 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: that book that was called The Secret I think where. 223 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just have car parks because I remember that 224 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: was the big car. You can get a car space space, 225 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: yeah you could. It does work. But like if you 226 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: want like a red Ferrari or whatever you put that 227 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: my vision boards. 228 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: It doesn't, so what I'm wondering, So imagine it doesn't like, 229 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: you know, you don't just put a picture of a 230 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: car and you get the car. 231 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 2: Like we're not talking about that kind of thing. So 232 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 2: what's it? Because I'm not a finniest person as well. Okay, 233 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: so I'll give you an example of one that happened 234 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 2: to me in the past. I hope this is another 235 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 2: silly version of vision version of a vision board. So 236 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: I was feeling a bit stuck in my work, and 237 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: I knew that I started reading really early days about 238 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: design thinking, and I thought, you know, I think this 239 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 2: would be really useful in the industry that I was in. 240 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 2: But it was really early, so nobody was talking about it. 241 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 2: And to be honest, I think everyone thought I was 242 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 2: talking about architecture and changing the building. So it was 243 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: a dream and I wanted to go to the source. 244 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 2: And so I really wanted to go to Stanford Design School. 245 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 2: But I didn't have any of the ability in ters 246 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: of like the money or the you know, and I 247 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: was like really really busy, and so on my vision board, 248 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: I just f this random picture of Stanford and I 249 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 2: put it up on my vision board to try and 250 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 2: realize this dream, and you know, it involved a lot 251 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 2: of pieces that I didn't know what I needed to 252 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: get there, and so I basically got the ability to 253 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: go there an amazing opportunity and it was like a 254 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: year later when it happened, and I remember, this is 255 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: good sound. I can't believe I stard this story and 256 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: I didn't think about the end anyway, it's a bit 257 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: naff I'll share it anyway. So I got dropped off 258 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: to walk into Stanford and it wasn't the front entrance. 259 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: It was like some random back entrance that they decided 260 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 2: to drop me into, and I basically looked up it 261 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: was the image that I had put on that vision board. 262 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 3: That's sorry, col. 263 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: So it was kind of like, oh, was thought, wow, 264 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I love that. Yeah. So that was 265 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: like my exam an example of something that where I 266 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: might put up and usually it's to do with experiences 267 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: or things that I put up there. I love that. 268 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: I love that. 269 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: Coming up next, we move into the habits conversation, looking 270 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: at the ones that helped us, the ones that didn't, 271 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: and what both of us want to shift going into 272 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Lisa also opens up about reconnecting with 273 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: her health, and I talk about my short lived Instagram 274 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: experiment and why emails remain my achilles heel of productivity. 275 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: And we also touch on the ritual Lisa users to 276 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: stay off her phone, and we wrap up with one 277 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: of the most thought provoking questions you can use when 278 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: designing your ideal twenty twenty six. 279 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: If you're looking for more tips to improve the way 280 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 3: you work, can Live. I write a short weekly newsletter 281 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 3: that contains tactics I've discovered that have helped me personally. 282 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: You can sign up for that at Amantha dot com. 283 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 3: That's Amantha dot com. 284 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: Should we go into the year Compass? Yes, I'd love to. Yeah, 285 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: it's a big task, isn't it this year Compass? I 286 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: really want to know how effective it's going to be 287 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: for planning the future. Well, yes, it is a big task. 288 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: And last episode we did talk about you probably want 289 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: to allow a half day, maybe a full day, and 290 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: you can do it. 291 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: And you're the half day sorry just for the looking back. 292 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: Well, I think you could do it both in a day, okay, 293 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: but you wouldn't want to over indulge in reflections. 294 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: Half day. 295 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So I've just pulled out some of the 296 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: things because if we went through everything, it'll be a 297 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: very long episode. 298 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: So one of the things. 299 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: I like is that there's a page that says, this 300 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: is what my next year will be about, and it 301 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: gives you a category to think about. And I want 302 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 1: to quickly read out these eight categories. Not because everyone 303 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: should think about these eight categories, but I do like 304 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: it because it stops us just being really myopic in 305 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: terms of just thinking about work or just thinking about 306 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: family or something like that. So first one is around 307 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: personal life and family. Second one is about friends and community. 308 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: Next one is about physical health and fitness. Next one 309 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: is about habits that define you. I think it's kind 310 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: of interesting. The next one is about career or studies. 311 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: Number six is relaxation, hobbies and creativity. And with that, 312 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: I really like that it's got relaxation and creativity and 313 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: hobbies in one because I think there are a lot 314 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: of adults that are like, well, I don't know what 315 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: my hobbies are, and that can kind of be an 316 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: excuse for just like, you know, wasting away the hours 317 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: like watching Netflix or on the socials or whatever, and 318 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: get a hobby, yeah, everyone, and so you don't stray. 319 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's important. 320 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: Master is important, but so is creativity and relaxation, and 321 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: they're all in the same category. Then there's mental health 322 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: and self knowledge and then finally better tomorrow with the asterisks, 323 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: what will you do next year to leave the world 324 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: in a better shape. 325 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 2: Than you found it? So I like those categories, not 326 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: that you have to reflect in everyone that habits one. 327 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 2: Can you read the habits one out again? Habits that 328 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 2: define you? What comes to mind for you? Well, I 329 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 2: was just thinking that all habits define you. They do, 330 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: don't they. I just feel like, you know, this idea 331 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: of whether some of our habits. But I think it's 332 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 2: a useful question. But I think just like, rather than going, 333 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: oh my god, what defines me? And who should I ask? 334 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: I think maybe just looking at your habits and just 335 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: saying I usually just ask is it helping or hindering me? 336 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 2: Because we all have habits, and so I just do 337 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: a bit of an order and go does it help 338 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 2: or hinder? Yeah? 339 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: Like that is there a habit that you have at 340 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: the moment that you think that you will definitely change in? Yeah, 341 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: so I'll change but also one that you'll keep the 342 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: same as well. 343 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 2: Oh okay, so my health stuff has really dropped away, 344 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 2: A mean, just got really busy. I knew, and I 345 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 2: sort of was going through a moment where I basically 346 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 2: just stopped weight training, and so I thought, you know what, 347 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 2: I think I need to get back on that bandwagon. 348 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 2: And so I've done a couple of things to change 349 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 2: my habits around that. One of them is that I 350 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 2: actually signed up for Pink Triathlon. What is that? So 351 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: it's a female only triathlon, particularly for beginners, and it 352 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 2: has really different distances, and the one I chose was 353 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: like the baby one. It's literally close to nothing, so 354 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: it's like one hundred meters swim in a pool. Okay, 355 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 2: great door, Yeah, and then it's a like one k 356 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: run and three k bike ride, so it's barely like 357 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: you could just wake up and then you've done it, trithlon. 358 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 2: But I didn't do it for the triathlon. The reason 359 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 2: why I saw up for it was just a little reminder. 360 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 2: So it's a mindset thing. So at the moment I'm 361 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 2: saying to myself, I am a triathlete. And so the 362 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: reason why I say that to myself is because then 363 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 2: because I was eating really badly, and so I will 364 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: look at something and I'll say, well, if I'm a triathlete, 365 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 2: would I eat that? And the answer is always no, 366 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 2: And so it's just a mindset thing. So I've just 367 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: decided to just do that just to change up my habits, 368 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 2: which was to reach for things that are good for 369 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: me short term but not good for me long term. Yeah, 370 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 2: because I wasn't feeling good, that's great. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, 371 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: how about you habits? Habits? 372 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: I I feel like my health habits have been pretty 373 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: good this year. 374 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 2: What do I want to change? 375 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: I do feel like when I look at social media, 376 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: I reckon. 377 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 2: Actually a couple of things come to mind. 378 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: So I generally have Instagram deleted from my phone. But 379 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: then I went through a bit of a period of 380 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: experimentation in the last few months. 381 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: I thought this, Oh yeah, no, the experiment I wasn't 382 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: particularly successful. 383 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: I thought, okay, what was the experiment? So the experiment 384 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: was a good made of mine. Sophie Hurst, who is 385 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: like she's what is she so career baby on Instagram 386 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: and she's amazing and she's gone from like something like 387 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,959 Speaker 1: zero to two hundred thousand followers in the year, and 388 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: so we'll chatting about Instagram and I said, oh, you know, 389 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: how did you do that? And she gave me some advice, 390 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: and I thought, I'm going to run an experiment. Okay, 391 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to try it. No, I wouldn't repent this. 392 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: So I made twenty reels. I invested a little bit 393 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: of time, you know, helpful reels with you know, different 394 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: psychological you know, work in life hacks. 395 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: And what did they do? Like? 396 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: Not much, not much. A few people liked them, a 397 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: few people shared them. Certainly didn't set the world on fire. 398 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: But what that meant, though, is that I had Instagram 399 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: on my phone, and when it's on my phone, like 400 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: and I'm checking it and you know, someone comments, I 401 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: try to respond and stuff like that. Yeah, I'm not 402 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: the many people commented, ah, but it just I found 403 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: it got me into bad habits and I hate being 404 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: a person that checks Instagram a lot. That is that 405 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: was like inconsistent with the self identity that I have. 406 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: And so that is definitely something that I want to 407 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: just set better habits around. Yes, and I will say 408 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: I'm not in a lot when I look at my 409 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: times that's maybe fifteen or twenty minutes a day, but 410 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: it's like that's still too much in my mind. Also, email, 411 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: I found that, and I'm just trying to think why 412 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,239 Speaker 1: I've slipped back into this habit because I've got an 413 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: amazing eagem that is very on top of my inbox. 414 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: But I do find I check my email far too frequently, 415 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: and I think I just need to, you know, use 416 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: the fresh start effect as of the new year, and 417 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: just really limit the time. 418 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 2: That I spend in money. And I've got a hack 419 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: for that, just don't check your out. Well, you know, 420 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: emails beget emails. I'm well aware. Yeah, so if you're 421 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 2: someone who writes a lot of emails, you get a 422 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 2: lot of emails. Yeah, yeah, anyway, sorry, Okay, So that's 423 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 2: a new book. It's just Calm Email, the Amazing, the 424 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 2: Amazing Email Hack. And then you open it and just 425 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: says don't read them at all, and don't send any 426 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: and don't tell anyone your email address. Yeah, don't have 427 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: an email. So just on those habits. Then, so what 428 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: have you decided to change? Just like, did you delete Instagram? 429 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: Then so I haven't yet, but I will And then 430 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: to be honest, that won't be too hard, I will 431 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: I know that if it's not normally it doesn't do it. 432 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So then how do you check it? 433 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: Is it on your on my desktop? I didn't even 434 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 2: know you could do now you can. 435 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 1: It's just limited functionality, right, and it's great because if 436 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: you check it on your desktop, it's not addictive. 437 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 2: You can't do anything. You can't do anything exactly. So yeah, 438 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: so that is okay. So what will I do now? 439 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: I probably have to think about that. 440 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: Look, I'm ultimately it's just keeping my email software Superhuman 441 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: just closed by default, and generally that's enough. 442 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: To you want inbox zero, which is the point of Superhuman, 443 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 2: because I have it too. Obviously I'm not on inboxing. 444 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: You're on Superhuman. That shocks me. You got me onto it. 445 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 2: I don't even know why, but because I actually like 446 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: the functionality when I'm on there, when you. 447 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: Check your emails, So I try to be inbox ten 448 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: is myka. 449 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 2: It is my rule. Like I'm fine with there being 450 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: a few as in ten emails only in your inbox 451 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 2: you're amazing. 452 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: But there's different folders. So the different folders might have emails, 453 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: but in the ones that need a response, I try 454 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: to be about inbox ten. Beginning inbox zero is a 455 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: bit of a fallacy because as soon as you achieve it, 456 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: another email will hear, and that's a game you're always 457 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: going to lose. Yeah, so I am generally about inbox ten. 458 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: So like, for example, I'm going on some annual leave 459 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to clean up my inbox to make 460 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: my life easier. For gem, then I figure, if it's 461 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: about inbox ten, ish, they're amazing her life's going to 462 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: be a lot easier. 463 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 2: And do you batch read? I do batch read. I 464 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: do batch read and sense so that and do you 465 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 2: do the one touch email thing where you just I'm 466 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 2: out at that. I try, but I constantly fail. Yeah, 467 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 2: And I feel like sometimes you've got to reflect on 468 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 2: an email before you respond, and you know how that 469 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 2: one is like reply straight away. Yes, yes, I think 470 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: that's a bad practice. 471 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: What I do if I am in a bad email 472 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: loop and I'm just in there, and therefore I'm responding 473 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: quite quickly because it's like a game of wlack co mole, 474 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: we just need to get the emails and quickly respond. 475 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: Is sometimes I will schedule send so that I'm not 476 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: getting a reply straight back. 477 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 2: So I'm slowing things down essentially by the way. I 478 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 2: love schedules send so good. Yeah, it's like I think 479 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 2: it's compulsory. Really. The other thing I just wanted to 480 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: mention is have you looked into dumb phones? 481 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: I have, yes, And actually I mentioned you in the 482 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: Energy Game because one of the strategies I talk about 483 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: is getting a burner phone. Can you tell us what 484 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: a burner phone is? 485 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 2: Yes. So I used to do a whole day of 486 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: digital detox, which I haven't done recently. So that was 487 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,479 Speaker 2: Fridays because I had a day off, and so what 488 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: I did was I bought a flip phone. So it's 489 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: a flip phone that has very limited functionality, so you've 490 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 2: only just got the buttons and you either make calls 491 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 2: or do really short text messages because it's old school. 492 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: And I actually got a separate SIM card for that 493 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 2: as well. So I had a separate number which I 494 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: only gave to certain people, and I would only take 495 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 2: that phone with me on Fridays so for emergencies, because 496 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: most people would say, oh, I need my phone from 497 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 2: my emergencies, I'd say, look, I've got my phone, and 498 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: I would use it for holidays as well. So I 499 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 2: think you've texted me on your secret my secret benefite, 500 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 2: and it's just a really good way because otherwise I 501 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 2: used to delete everything off my phone for holidays and 502 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 2: then it was just annoying to put them back on 503 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: as well. So I just thought, oh, I'll just do 504 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: that have a dumb phone. I think I would've been 505 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 2: looking at a phone which is somewhere between the flip 506 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 2: phone because of the text messaging, because to be honest, yes, 507 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 2: I don't want to be on socials and I probably 508 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 2: don't want to have my email, but I do want 509 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 2: to keep in contact with my friends, like this is 510 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 2: really important to me. And so the problem with the 511 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 2: really really dumb phone that I bought was like, you know, 512 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: I'd go to text you, Amantha, and I'd be like, 513 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 2: you know, just to get oh, and then I think, oh, 514 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 2: I'm really not saying what I want to say, and 515 00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 2: I probably seemed really abrupt because it's like, okay, yeah, 516 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 2: I had a lot more to share, by the way 517 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 2: in that holiday, but I could have text. 518 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: You, Okay, I'm going to share one more question from 519 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: the year compass, and that is towards the end, not 520 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: quite at the end of the process. Say, there's a 521 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 1: section called secret wish and it says, what is your 522 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: secret wish for the next year? And I reckon, that 523 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: is a really interesting question to ponder. Maybe it could 524 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: link back to your vision board. If your vision board 525 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: was kept in a secret spot, maybe like you visualize 526 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: your secret wish. But I thought, oh, I like that. 527 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: It kind of gets your imagination thinking. 528 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, secret wish. I have never seen that on any 529 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 2: planning thing before. But I like that because it does 530 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: make you maybe even go deeper because it may be 531 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: a secret from you. Have you thought about that? So 532 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 2: just the fact that sometimes unconsciously or subconsciously, we have 533 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 2: like this really deep seated wish for ourselves that even 534 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: we can't acknowledge it. And so I think maybe sitting 535 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: with that question a little bit, just to see what emerges, 536 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 2: that might be something to let percolate. Love that, but 537 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: don't tell anyone, because then it's not a secret. But 538 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 2: put it on your vision board, but just hap from everyone. 539 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: It's a cryptic way. I was like, what is that picture? Lisa? 540 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: Thank you and your processes and the year ahead. 541 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 2: I hope twenty twenty six is an awesome one. For you. 542 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 2: May your twenty twenty six be everything that you have 543 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: on your vision board. Thank you. 544 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: Thanks Lisa, so I hope that this has given you 545 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: lots of food for thought to help you planning a 546 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: brilliant twenty twenty six. And if you missed part one 547 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: of this two parter, head back and listen to it now. 548 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: I've put the link to it in the show notes. 549 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening and I'll catch you in 550 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: the next episode. If you like today's show, make sure 551 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: you hit follow on your podcast app to be alerted 552 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: when new episodes drop. 553 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 3: How I Work was recorded on the traditional land of 554 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 3: the Warringery people, part of the Coulan nation.