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Speaker 1: Hello, Katie wolf and three point sixty online at Mixed

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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine

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Speaker 2: and joining us in the studio. Well, it is the

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Speaker 2: big issues, and the big issues are brought to you

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Speaker 2: by the Kolano Community Association and Aboriginal Loan to operate

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Speaker 2: it and community led organization from the top end to

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Speaker 2: Tenant Creek. And I've got Damian Hale in the studio.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Wolfe, very well.

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Speaker 2: And we've also got Dave Toler, good morning.

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Speaker 4: Great to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's going to be a busy morning. We know

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Speaker 2: that the federal budget has.

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Speaker 4: Been looking today off the wall.

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Speaker 3: I'm just happy to see you, Dave.

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Speaker 2: Well, it does look like it's going to be a

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Speaker 2: bit of spending in the federal budget tonight, if the

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Speaker 2: announcements that have been made so far or anything to

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Speaker 2: go by. I mean some of it you're talking about

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Speaker 2: infrastructure for roads. We caught up with the Deputy Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister yesterday morning and he'd sort of outlined what we're

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Speaker 2: going to see here in the Northern Territory around some

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Speaker 2: of that road infrastructure. But it does mean we're going

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Speaker 2: to be going into debt, massive debt, massive debt, massive debt,

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Speaker 2: high wading debt. To use the Chief Minister's words from

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Speaker 2: last week on his budget.

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Speaker 3: What does the debt prove?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, yes, we don't fun.

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Speaker 3: About seven hundred billion, and then over the forward estimates

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Speaker 3: up to a trillion dollars by twenty three twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Makes you cry, don't it? What fourteen years ago now

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Speaker 4: we had money in the bank. You know, it seems

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Speaker 4: like a lifetime ago. All of a sudden, now we've

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Speaker 4: got all this debt coming out of our ears.

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Speaker 2: Well, and it's sort of I suppose, you know, if

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Speaker 2: I lay the same theories to the federal budget as

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Speaker 2: what I did to the territory budget, you'd be thinking

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Speaker 2: to yourself, well, we're going to be paying this off.

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Speaker 2: Kids are going to be paying it off. It's going

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Speaker 2: to take an awfully long time, I suppose. I mean,

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Speaker 2: is the difference, and I don't know whether this is

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Speaker 2: right or not. Does the federal government have a little

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Speaker 2: bit more of an ability to claw back some of

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Speaker 2: But is that the you know, are they able to

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Speaker 2: do it, to pay that debt down a little bit

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Speaker 2: faster than we are here in the territory because the

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Speaker 4: Well, fundamentally, they're mortgaging the kid's future. That's the nature

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Speaker 4: of it. And the debt that we rack up today

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Speaker 4: has to be repaid. It will be repaid by our

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Speaker 4: kids and grandkids. It's going to be with us for

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Speaker 4: that long. Look at Michael Gunner in the territory, there's

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Speaker 4: no end in sight that debt's never going to decrease

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Speaker 4: as far as well, and.

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Speaker 2: That looks like chump change to the sight.

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Speaker 4: It always does too.

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Speaker 3: It's a bigger budget as obviously. I think there's a

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Speaker 3: couple of things here that need to be looked at.

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Speaker 3: Is that people will hear massive numbers tonight and three

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Speaker 3: or four hundred million for this cause and for that cause.

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Speaker 3: I know there's a focus around women's inclusion in the workplace,

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: I still think that tax cuts for wealthy people need

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Speaker 3: to be looked at. And when we've got programs such

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Speaker 3: of the NDS, and I think that that's really important.

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Speaker 4: No, it's not right It actually is a question how

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Speaker 4: much money did labor put into the NDS. Well zero

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Speaker 3: Of it since twenty twelve and we had the Debton

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Speaker 3: deficit election under Joe Hockey and Tony Abbott that you know,

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Speaker 3: that was when debt was at thirteen percent of our GDP.

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Speaker 3: It's now at forty four percent of the GDP. And

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Speaker 3: what we'll see in this budget will be this will

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Speaker 3: be the election nothing to see here election, And so

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Speaker 3: what Freedenburg will go out there tonight and try to

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Speaker 3: convince Australians that everything's fine. The Debton deficit election of

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Speaker 3: situation where everything's okay. What we have to look at

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Speaker 3: from the liberal point of view is when they do

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Speaker 3: make promises around three or four hundred million dollars, do

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Speaker 2: Well, that is something that Melander and McCarthy raised a

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Speaker 4: The point that Damien makes pretty close to the mark.

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Speaker 4: Twenty fourteen I think was the you know Joe budget,

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Speaker 4: Joe Hockey's horror budget, you know, everyone said, oh, it's dreadful,

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Speaker 4: all these spending cuts and that sort of stuff, and

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Speaker 4: But that was the last gasp effort at any sort

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Speaker 4: of fiscal rectitude I think, you know, since then, you know,

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Speaker 4: the Libs have basically taken a leaf out of Labour's

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Speaker 4: book and haven't been too concerned about steroids running up

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Speaker 2: So what's happened as well over the last year is

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Speaker 2: because of the COVID situation. Then when you talk about

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Speaker 2: the impact it's had on business and and on a

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Speaker 2: lot of people just more generally not being able to

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Speaker 2: maybe work the same hours that they've previously did, how

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Speaker 2: their jobs have been impacted. So not even looking at

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Speaker 2: the health side of things, just looking at the economic

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Speaker 2: impact that there's been. I think that then you sort

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Speaker 2: of find that a lot of Territorians Aussies more generally

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Speaker 2: do to keep the economy moving, which more territories always think.

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Speaker 4: But the territories always lived on the taxes of other Australians.

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Speaker 4: That's just the nature of the territory. So it's hard

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Speaker 4: to you know, It's not hard to understand why territorians

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Speaker 4: think that there's this endless pot of money that governments

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Speaker 4: can just procure because it's been happening for forever. But

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Speaker 4: you know, the rest of the country you actually have

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Speaker 4: to somewhere or other try to balance the budget. And

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Speaker 4: that's the big question for Josh Fredenberg. Is there enough

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Speaker 4: there to stimulate enough economic growth? Like you say, it's

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Speaker 4: a much larger economy. It's a bigger budget without a doubt,

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Speaker 4: and there's a lot of spending going on, but the

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Speaker 4: economy has that ability to grow quite rapidly, particularly you

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Speaker 4: know around our natural resources, oil and gas, mining, agriculture,

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Speaker 4: all of those primary industries. You know, eighty five percent

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Speaker 2: And I guess much as being said as well about

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Speaker 2: to have an impact as well. At the moment, I think,

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Speaker 2: where are we saying twenty twenty two that the borders

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Speaker 2: but no doubt that has a part to play as well.

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Speaker 3: It's a moving feast. I think that the border closes

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Speaker 3: and when it opens. But I think the other thing

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Speaker 3: got no doubt that had the role out of the

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Speaker 3: vaccinate been going better than what it is, that we

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Speaker 3: around there. But because of the clunkiness of that, and

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Speaker 3: they'll probably end up going possibly to the full term,

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Speaker 3: but this will be the last budget unless they have

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Speaker 3: a midyear mid term budget, which they could do, which

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Speaker 3: last major budget before an election. So they'll be asking tonight,

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Speaker 3: and the pitch tonight from Josh Friedenberg.

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Speaker 4: Will be looking.

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Speaker 3: We know that we've got debt. We're very lucky, as

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Speaker 3: Dave alluded to, that we have got primary industries and

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Speaker 3: the rest of our economy.

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Speaker 5: But they'll be.

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Speaker 3: Asking to say, you know, stick with us, let's keep going.

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Speaker 3: You're better off sticking with us on the plan that

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Speaker 3: Labor Party. The Labor Party will be saying, well, their

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Speaker 3: credentials as economic managers are shot. They've allays been on

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Speaker 3: to us about debt and deficit, but now they've actually

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Speaker 3: done exactly the same plus some. So there'll be two

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Speaker 3: different narratives coming out to Canberra, you know, and be

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Speaker 3: the people to try to shovel their way through all

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Speaker 3: the book crap to try to find where the truth

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Speaker 3: lies and it usually lies somewhere in.

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Speaker 2: The middle and need a big shovel, but we.

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Speaker 3: Mind watering numbers and then you'll get olbows reply on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: So it's riveting for us political people.

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Speaker 4: That just love this stuff. But family got to be

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Speaker 4: a seriously wait up for elbows.

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Speaker 2: We're trying to just break it down nice and simply

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Speaker 2: for people they're most simply that we can because let's

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Speaker 2: be honest, you know, you just all you want to know.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of the time when a budget

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Speaker 2: You know, that's what people are kind of waiting to

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Speaker 2: it comes to those budgets. You are listening to MIX

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Speaker 2: Community Association, an Aboriginal owned and operated, community led organization

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Speaker 1: Katie Wolf. Everyone is listening Mix one oh four point

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Speaker 2: Percent and it is the Big Issues, proudly brought to

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Speaker 2: the studio, We've got Dave Tolner and Damian Hale, And

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Speaker 2: I tell you what a bit of sporting news sort

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Speaker 2: of off the field, I guess you'd say today the

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Speaker 2: news that did just flow through earlier this morning. And

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Speaker 2: this is a case which is set to be in

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Speaker 2: court tomorrow, so we'll have to be a bit careful.

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Speaker 2: But West Coast Eagles star Willie Rioli has allegedly been

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Speaker 2: caught in possession of cannabis in the Northern Territory, three

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Speaker 2: months before the Ford was set to return to football.

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Speaker 2: Rioli will face a Darwin court on Wednesday, charged with

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Speaker 2: possessing a schedule to dangerous drug less than traffickable quantity

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Speaker 2: in a public place. An authern Territory Police media release

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Speaker 2: from April twenty three set a drug detection dog was

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Speaker 2: conducting screening operations at the Darwin Airport when twenty five

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Speaker 2: grams of cannabis was allegedly found in the man's pants.

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Speaker 2: The ABC understands Rioli was then issued with a notice

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Speaker 2: to appear in court on May twelve. So the AFL

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Speaker 2: that is in the ABC this morning they are reporting

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Speaker 2: that one. But then, well, a little further away, I

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Speaker 2: guess you'd say Richmond Premiership player Daniel Rioli was punched

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Speaker 2: in the face and a star teammate I think it's

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Speaker 2: Shy Bolton or Shay maybe he might be able to

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Speaker 2: know about AFL broke his wrist in a nightclub on

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Speaker 2: Saturday night, Bolton took a well we know he's a

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Speaker 2: great player, but are inside. Apparently there was confrontation at

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Speaker 2: and that night and unknown bloke's apparently abused and touched

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Speaker 2: Rioli's girlfriend. Now, I don't want to say that violence

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Speaker 4: He's badly surprising any of those stories really. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I love.

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Speaker 3: Let's get serious, but in Melbourne, like the scrutiny on

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Speaker 2: And I was gonna say, and then you've also got

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Speaker 6: And a smart asses towards them because they know who

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Speaker 2: You know they've still still have a life.

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Speaker 4: Careful footballers these days, like you posting biblical messages on Facebook,

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Speaker 4: you know, you get a lifetime being for that sort

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Speaker 2: Actually take a cross to another story. Now, this one

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Speaker 2: This is actually a footage has emerged of what's been

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Speaker 2: described as a feral brawl between spectators at a Brisbane

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Speaker 2: Now this violence erupted between the spectators at the under

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Speaker 2: footage show adult spectators spilling onto the field fighting each other.

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Speaker 2: Punches were thrown and one man was kicked during the brawl,

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Speaker 4: Very passionate, yes, very passionate spectators. It happens at junior

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Speaker 4: sport everywhere. Well not to that's all, honest goodness me.

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Speaker 4: People get passionate about there under twelves.

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Speaker 2: Do you know we actually I went to the soccer

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Speaker 2: It is not the World Cup.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing.

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Speaker 4: In every community you've actually.

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Speaker 3: Got to tell behave better. It's almost like the Prime

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Speaker 2: It's one thing to sort of cheer for your kids

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Speaker 3: And people running.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's a passionate sort of sport. You know,

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Speaker 4: I love watching the footing. How you see the Eels

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Speaker 2: Of course, I'll tell you what though, it did sort

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Speaker 2: of remind me I was I've been at plenty of

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Speaker 4: Bit of rugby leg. Remember they had a a gravel field.

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Speaker 3: Look at that footage and there's growing so cool adults

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Speaker 3: they need to do is just go through that footage

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Speaker 2: Well because seriously, like it is junior sport and you

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Speaker 2: the kids. You know, we've they've already tried to take

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Speaker 3: No school kids under twelves and down.

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Speaker 2: Kids still take their there.

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Speaker 4: What are the parents thinking now, like after they've seen

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Speaker 2: You'd have to be like, you'd be pretty disgusted.

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Speaker 5: It's not even finals time.

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Speaker 2: Pull your heads in its.

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Speaker 4: Club rivalry in a.

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Speaker 2: Sort of rivalry around three.

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Speaker 2: Believable. I do just want to briefly touch on the

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Speaker 2: fact that the former Australia Post boss, Christine Holgate, she's

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Speaker 2: in November after those revelations that senior executives were gifted

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Speaker 2: that she would be heading to rival business Global Express

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Speaker 2: in a few months. Good luck to us.

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Speaker 3: I agree sho motivated be motivated to turn the Global

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Speaker 3: Express and take over Australia Post. Good luck to her anyway.

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Speaker 3: She was treated poorly and she was.

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Speaker 4: She responded by acting poorly. I think you know, to

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Speaker 2: I do think that.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that the story. I don't think that

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Speaker 2: The fact the story, no.

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Speaker 4: The fact was she was gotten rid of because of

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Speaker 4: actual fact it was a labor female senator who raised

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Speaker 2: More that she was pointing out that she hadn't been

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Speaker 4: She banging on about misogyny and how it was for women's.

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Speaker 2: Commissioners, such a time for her.

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Speaker 4: She was dismissed in a rather poor way. But the

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Speaker 3: Five hundred and eighty thousand dollars because they were entitled

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Speaker 3: bought them a five US and taller watch. I would

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Speaker 2: I would have said, look, take my bone. I don't

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Speaker 3: Watch because then I'm expected to be home on time,

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Speaker 4: Well, look, we're going to have to makes me think

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Speaker 4: about you know how Meaghan, markl and Aprah are constantly

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Speaker 5: We need another half hour Dave. Were are flying to Dave.

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Speaker 2: That is it for us this morning. You can answer

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Speaker 2: those questions off and Damian Hale always great to speak

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Speaker 2: to you both. Thank you so much for your time

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Speaker 2: this morning with you and and always great to cover

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Speaker 2: the big issues. A big thanks to Kolano Community Association,

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Speaker 2: the Aboriginal and operated and community leader organization. From the

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