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Speaker 1: I've got you there, David, can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: About that, mate, not too sure what's going on with

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Speaker 1: system this morning. Now I understand you're in Alice. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, we've been listening to traditional owners, to the

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Speaker 2: And obviously it's been years since Australians made a decision

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Speaker 2: about the voice. The Nationals made the principal position earlier

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Speaker 2: that there isn't another last year Ansine alberonez he's done nothing.

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Speaker 2: He's had the sols for twelve months, he's ignored the problems.

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Speaker 2: He put two hundred and fifty million dollars into China

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Speaker 2: And that's the sort of practical stuff that we want

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think this is what we all want, right.

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Speaker 1: In terms of the discussions that you've had with elders

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not worried about the voice. They just want

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Speaker 2: we've got the money, we know the post code where

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Speaker 1: Now we know. On the weekend, just in Alice Springs,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look as the coins, I'm careful to give

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Speaker 1: David, I understand that the LMP are set to introduce

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what this will be will give is fairness and

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Speaker 2: They'll pull that out of a cold store in Darwin

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Speaker 2: if they do something wrong, they could be forced geographically

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Speaker 1: I mean we know just today food banks release their

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Speaker 1: hunger report. It's found that three point four million Australian

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Speaker 2: No, not what the Prime Minister's proposing, because it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: It's a business as usual with the supermarket. So you

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Speaker 2: Now we're saying we're going to nuclear. That's long term.

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Speaker 1: Hey, what did you make of I don't know whether

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Speaker 2: You, Well, it'd be an interesting conversation at home with

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Speaker 2: But look, we need gas and let me tell you

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Speaker 2: is going to play a very big role for us

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Speaker 2: and you can do that safely. I do it in

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Speaker 2: mind electric I've got the biggest developed reserve of culsine

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Speaker 1: David, really quick one before I let you go on

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Speaker 1: the cost of living topic. The labor member for Solomon,

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Speaker 1: Luke Gosling is trying to bring Aldi to Darwin in

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Speaker 2: Well, this is exactly why you need the best his

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Speaker 2: So if Luke's serious is about it, when we introduce

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Speaker 2: you'll find that well Wilworth and Carl's have brought up

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Speaker 1: Well, they've been offered some free land, Ald you have

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Speaker 2: Well, it is, and that's one of the challenges that

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Speaker 2: The normal territory has been reducing because the former Northern

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Speaker 2: for mine understanding even with the independence, and you shouldn't

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Speaker 2: So I'd be very interested to understand all the issue there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, David Little Proud really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having a chat with us, and

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Speaker 1: no doubt we'll talk to you again when you're in

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Speaker 1: the tear tray.

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Speaker 2: Sounds great.

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Speaker 1: Good to you, Thanks very much,