1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Already and this is the daily art. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: This is the dailyahs. Oh now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily Ours. It's Wednesday, 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: the twelfth of November. I'm Emma Gillespie. 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: I am Billy Fitzsimon's. 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: The Victorian government has released the final report from its 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: landmark inquiry into women's pain. The findings paint a stark 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: picture where thousands are suffering unnecessarily within a healthcare system 9 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: that has failed to address chronic pain. Today, we are 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 1: going to break down exactly what the inquiry found, what 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: it's recommended, what happens next, and what it tells us 12 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: about women's pain on a national scale. 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: I feel like over the past few years, maybe the 14 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: past five or ten years, I have really heard more 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: and more people talking about women's pain in open places, 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: in media, in reports. What prompted this inquiry? Is it 17 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 2: that people are now just talking about it more. 18 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're absolutely right, Billy. There has been a shift 19 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 1: in the national conversation. Obviously we're talking about Victoria today, 20 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: but there has certainly been a change in the way 21 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: the media, educators, health institutes, governments, policymakers speak about women's pain. 22 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: But we first heard about this inquiry back in January 23 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, so nearly two years ago, and that 24 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: announcement came with the release of new data. That data 25 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: showed forty percent of women across Victoria live with chronic pain, 26 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: including pain associated with periods, pregnancy, and conditions like endometriosis. 27 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: Around half of those surveyed said pain associated with periods 28 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: affected their health and well being, One in three said 29 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: they have a health condition like ongrowing, migraines, cramping, endo 30 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: and that thatx their ability to work and keep a job. 31 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: And a third of respondents reported feeling stressed and frustrated 32 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: after receiving insensitive and disrespectful health care advice. 33 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 2: Okay, so that initial survey showed significant issues. What was 34 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: the goal of this subsequent inquiry? Because they've established that 35 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: there is an issue here? Exactly what did the inquiry 36 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: want to establish that was different? 37 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: Off the back of those findings, Health Minister Mary and 38 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: Thomas said an expert panel led by the Victorian Women's 39 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: Health Advisory Council would examine what she called a systemic 40 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: gender pain gap. Now, essentially, that means that the inquiry's 41 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: focus was on women's experiences and how the state's healthcare 42 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: system addresses pain caused by periods, pregnancy, and endometriosis. Victorian 43 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: premieres Into Allen did warn in advance that these findings 44 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be a mic drop moment for a lot 45 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: of women around the state, but she said it was 46 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: quote time we stopped eating women's health like a niche issue. 47 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: We deserve to have our pain believed and relieved. 48 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 2: Interesting and so now we have this report, Yeah, what 49 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 2: did it reveal? 50 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: Well, before we dig into the findings, I think it's 51 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: important to flag that this report specifically notes that references 52 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: to women and girls are quote intended to include anyone 53 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: who may experience similar health issues or gender based discrepancies 54 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: in care. So this includes those assigned female at birth, 55 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: anyone who identifies as a woman. That is the language 56 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: in the report. So that is the language that we 57 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: will use today, Billy. And in terms of how the 58 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: inquiry defines pain, it's such a common part of women's lives, 59 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: but there is a huge diversity of experience, and according 60 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: to the report, references to pain include any experience of 61 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: pain and pain care treatment or service that women and 62 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: girls have had over their lifetimes. So that could include 63 00:03:55,560 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: pain from an injury or trauma, joint pain, musco's coleegal pain. 64 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: It could also be related to reproductive pain, heart, neurological, autoimmune, 65 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: a range of health conditions. In terms of what the 66 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: final report actually told us, women were invited to make 67 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: submissions to the inquiry, and that was an offer taken 68 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: up by over thirteen thousand Victorians and the final report 69 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: released on Sunday shows ninety percent of respondents experienced pain 70 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: that lasted over a year, so that's chronic, ongoing pain 71 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: affecting their daily lives. Fifty four percent experience chronic pain daily, 72 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: thirty one percent. Nearly a third of women experience it constantly. 73 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: Sixty five percent of respondents rated their pain intensity between 74 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: seven and nine out of ten, ten being the worst pain, 75 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: and eighty nine percent said their pain impacts their mental health. 76 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: Half said it impacts their energy levels, their overall fatigue. 77 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: Right, and I feel like every time I hear this 78 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 2: topic of conversation come up, a lot of women say 79 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: that when they go to their doctor, they don't feel 80 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 2: like their issues are necessarily taken seriously, or sometimes they 81 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 2: feel gas lit by the healthcare system. Did the report 82 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 2: say anything about women accessing the healthcare system. 83 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, barriers to accessing care were a major part of 84 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: this report. They took up a big chunk of the findings. 85 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: And there is that common experience, that sentiment of feeling 86 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: gas lit, feeling left out by the system. Ninety five 87 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: percent of respondents said that they had sought assistance for pain, 88 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: and seventy one percent reported feeling dismissed by healthcare professionals 89 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: when doing so when seeking that help. They also identified 90 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: high costs and wait times as major barriers to accessing care, 91 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: and a third of respondents reported feeling stressed and frustrated 92 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: after receiving what they described as insensitive and disrespectful advice. 93 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:01,239 Speaker 1: There are some specific examples of respondents store throughout the report. 94 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: One participant said quote, I had a doctor tell me 95 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: I was a drug addict because I asked for stronger 96 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: pain relief medication. That is a really common experience in 97 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: the findings. Another person described feeling guilty about clogging up 98 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: the system to use her words, because she often presented 99 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: to hospital emergency rooms with intense and chronic pain and 100 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: was sent home without diagnosis, without treatment, without support. Respondents 101 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: described having to visit multiple providers to receive a correct 102 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: diagnosis fifty two percent of respondents, so more than half 103 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: of women accessed six or more different services to help 104 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: manage their pain, with additional challenges for women in rural Victoria, 105 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: that is a. 106 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 2: Lot six different services to try to treat the same condition. 107 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: So it is the norm that women are seeking multiple perspectives, opinions, 108 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: appointments just to get to the bottom of their pain. 109 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: And health is such a huge, huge part of all 110 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: of our lives, so I imagine that you know, if 111 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 2: you are having these issues in this area of your life, 112 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 2: it's actually also having a flow on effect with the 113 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: rest of your life. 114 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean some respondents have admitted to self medicating 115 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: or using unregulated treatment options just to manage their pain 116 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: just to get by. So that includes medicinal cannabis. That 117 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: can include taking prescription medication that wasn't prescribed to that 118 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: individual person, and an overall distrust in the system. The 119 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: report also acknowledged that misdiagnoses and delayed diagnoses cause widespread problems. 120 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:42,559 Speaker 1: Fifty three percent of women have experienced delayed diagnoses, which 121 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: means that many of them have suffered unnecessarily four years 122 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: or even had their conditions worsen because they weren't receiving treatment. 123 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: More than half said their pain had impacted their intimate relationships. 124 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: Fifty nine percent said it affected their recreation and hobbies. 125 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: You know, that's more than half of women saying that 126 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: they haven't showed up to social events or they haven't 127 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: connected with their friends and family because you know, on 128 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: any given day they can't leave the house or they 129 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: are so uncomfortable. Forty four percent said it impacted their work, 130 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: their schooling, or volunteer activities. So we really are talking 131 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: about pain that is impacting every aspect of women's lives, 132 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: fundamentally changing how they engage with the world around them, 133 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: and a healthcare system that they say has not taken 134 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: them seriously. 135 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: And I know that government inquiries like this they always 136 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: are accompanied with recommendations. What were the recommendations here, either 137 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: to the government or to the healthcare system. 138 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, they are far reaching and widespread. There are twenty 139 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: seven recommendations. I won't get into all of them at 140 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: an individual level, but there are some key themes, some 141 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: core areas. That includes more focus and funding for women's 142 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: health research, better education and awareness about pain, including more 143 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: training for healthcare professionals, expanding school education programs, destigmatizing a 144 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: lot of the kind of stereotypical attitudes towards women's pain. 145 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: It recommended creating clearer pathways for treatment so that women 146 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: don't have to bounce between different specialists, more clear pathways 147 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: to getting direct answers and assistants. There were recommendations around 148 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: growing the healthcare workforce, you know, getting more employed and 149 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: trained professionals to address women's pain conditions, and making support 150 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: more accessible and affordable. This was a really big one 151 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: given how many respondents cited cost as a barrier, especially 152 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: women in disadvantaged communities, regional and remote communities, and women 153 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: in LGBTQ communities. 154 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: And those are recommendations to the government, to the government exactly. 155 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: And so then how has the government responded. 156 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: So they have announced some immediate measures that they'll start 157 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: rolling out. There's a pilot rollout to come soon of 158 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: the Green Whistle Pain Relief in Haler for IUD insertion. Now, 159 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: for anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about, UD insertion, 160 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: so think of something like the Marina that can be 161 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: an extremely painful thing to have to go through. Historically, 162 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: there has been inadequate pain relief offered, or it's been 163 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: incredibly expensive to pay for either a general anesthetic or 164 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: what's called twilight sedation, so that pain relief in Halo 165 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: will become more accessible. The Victorian government is also establishing 166 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: a reproductive health and Pain clinic for under eighteen year 167 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: olds that will be in Melbourne, and that's really significant 168 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: because young people often struggle to have their pain taken seriously, 169 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: and addressing women's pain in those earlier years of adolescence 170 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: can really set women up for better health outcomes and 171 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: a more positive experience throughout their adulthood. 172 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: So that's the response from the government. What about the 173 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,479 Speaker 2: response from their healthcare industry. 174 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: The response has been really widespread and broadly welcoming of 175 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: these findings of this inquiry in the first place. You know, 176 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: yes we are talking about one state, we're talking about 177 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: Victoria here, but it has certainly created a national conversation, 178 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: especially considering this is the first inquiry of its kind 179 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: in the country. So Endometriosis Australia has called for swift 180 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: action from governments and clinicians and researchers, saying, you know, 181 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: this is confronting evidence, but it's a powerful catalyst for change. Quote. 182 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: Women deserve timely, compassionate, evidence based care. The Australian Psychological 183 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: Society is calling for improved access to psychological care as 184 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: part of the Victorian government response. They want that psychological 185 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: care to be a priority for access women's health. Victoria 186 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: CEO Sally has called the report a really powerful and 187 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: courageous collection of women's evidence. She is calling for the 188 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: federal government to increase Medicare coverage for specially and complex 189 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: appointments so women aren't unfairly out of pocket, and that 190 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: is part of that national conversation that has been triggered. 191 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: So it sounds like broadly most parties are really in 192 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: support of this inquiry and hope that it will galvanize 193 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: the industry and the government to take more action to 194 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: take women's pain more seriously. Yeah, and so then what 195 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: about the Victorian opposition. 196 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: Yes, so we have heard from the Shadow Health Minister 197 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: Georgie Crozier. This is Victoria's Liberal opposition. She's acknowledged that 198 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: the report highlights important issues, but she's criticized the Labor 199 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: government for underfunding community health. Basically, the opposition says that 200 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: vital clinics have been forced to close because there's been 201 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: an underfunding in community health initiatives, and she argued that 202 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: women with chronic pain are going to be left without 203 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: support going forward because of the impact that this has 204 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: had on GPS, nurses, mental health support channels. So a 205 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: funding criticism there, got it. 206 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: So they're saying they are in support of this inquiry, 207 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: but they're pointing the finger at the government for letting 208 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: all of these issues happen in the first place. 209 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: Exactly, and suggesting that some of the policy initiatives may 210 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: not be feasible because of years of underfunding. In their words, basically. 211 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: So what are the next steps from here? 212 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: Well, over the next six months. The Victorian government has 213 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: committed to developing an action plan. This will be in 214 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: response to the findings from the report, and it says 215 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: that it will do so in consultation with the community, 216 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: including patients, women with lived experience, healthcare practitioners, you know, 217 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: the full kind of gamut of stakeholders. We've also heard 218 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: from Professor Danielle Masa. She's the head of the Department 219 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: of General Practice at Monash University, and she commended the 220 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: Victorian government for holding the inquiry, saying they quote opened 221 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: Pandora's box and had the courage to seek out and 222 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: hear what women had to say off the back of that. 223 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: Professor Masa has shed light on an interesting conversation about GPS. Now, 224 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: gps are ultimately the first line of defense for our 225 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 1: healthcare system. They are often the first practitioner that women 226 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: will be in contact with when it comes to addressing 227 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: their pain, and Professor Maser has pointed to a need 228 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: for GP care to evolve as a matter of priority, 229 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: that training models need a lot more focus on women's 230 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: health and women's pain needs, and for any of these 231 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: reforms to really overhaul women's pain, the first stop is GPS. 232 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: So I think we are going to see an interesting 233 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: conversation in the weeks and months to come at a 234 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: national level about that very first step and how we 235 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: are engaging with health practitioners in the GP consult room 236 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: and beyond to you know, specialists and surgeons. 237 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to also see if any other states 238 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: or territories follow suit with this kind of inquiry. Absolutely, 239 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: thank you so much for breaking that down, thanks for 240 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: having me, and thank you so much for listening to 241 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: this episode of The Daily Oas we will be back 242 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: this afternoon with your evening headlines. But until then, have 243 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: a great day. My name is Lily Maddon and I'm 244 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: a proud Arunda Bunjelung Kalkotin woman from Gadighl country. The 245 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: Daily oz acknowledges that this podcast is recorded on the 246 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: lands of the Gadighl people and pays respect to all 247 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: Aboriginal and torrest Rate island and nations. 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