WEBVTT - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR EXIT INTERVIEWS: Week 1

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the news today, but it was actually on

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<v Speaker 1>TV Reload the podcast last week. Their line Welcome TV

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<v Speaker 1>Reload listeners. My name is Benjamin Norris, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest names in Australian television. I want to thank

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<v Speaker 1>as I possibly can. This week has been an explosive

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<v Speaker 1>week in Australian television, and today I'm lucky enough to

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<v Speaker 1>feature all three of the eliminated castaways from Australian Survivor

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<v Speaker 1>Heroes Versus Villains. First up, we have Angelie rou who

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<v Speaker 1>is known as an international journalist, TV personality and form

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<v Speaker 1>a housewife from the Real Housewives of Melbourne. We will

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<v Speaker 1>find out what makes Angelie a villain and why producers

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<v Speaker 1>mysteriously buried her former role on The Housewives during the

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<v Speaker 1>promotion of the twenty twenty three series. I will also

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<v Speaker 1>ask if she has permanently swaped journalism for reality TV. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>Angelie will break down the first episode, which will give

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<v Speaker 1>you some exclusives on what actually went down on her

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<v Speaker 1>bonker's time on the show. We will then have Michael Warren,

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<v Speaker 1>who was another journalist who also joined Angelie on the

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<v Speaker 1>villains Tribe. We will find out how superfan Michael feels

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<v Speaker 1>about his time on the show and if he felt

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<v Speaker 1>audiences connected with his character correctly. Stick around for his

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<v Speaker 1>breakdown on the Tribal Council as we discuss if Georgia's

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic takedown actually did throw him off. I honestly think

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<v Speaker 1>this will still divide Australian Survivor fans and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to leave this up to you to interpret his retelling

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<v Speaker 1>of the situation. And then finally Mimi will join me

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<v Speaker 1>to unpack her episode, which will see us discuss if

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<v Speaker 1>Simon really does have an idol what her biggest mistakes

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<v Speaker 1>were if, in fact, midnight cookie crunching was responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>her being booted. I genuinely hope you guys have a

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<v Speaker 1>great time listening to these chats. I feel like I've

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<v Speaker 1>been talking forever. Sorry about that, but feel free to

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<v Speaker 1>follow me this season of Australian Survivor on Network ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Send me a questions. I'd love to ask them for you. However,

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<v Speaker 1>let's bring it our first guest for this podcast. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>welcome Angelie raw. Hi, Angelie, thank you for popping into

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<v Speaker 1>chat about Australian Survivor.

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<v Speaker 2>Benjamin. It has a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>When I heard that you were doing Australian Survivor, I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Angelaine knows a good pun, so I was expecting good

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<v Speaker 1>humor at the very least.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I hope I delivered. I wouldn't want to let

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<v Speaker 2>you down.

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<v Speaker 1>When they asked you to do this show, at what

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<v Speaker 1>point did they tell you that you were going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a villain.

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<v Speaker 2>I was told pretty much straight away. But the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>was would you like to know well the season is?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said yes, I would like to know, and

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<v Speaker 2>they said it's heroes versus villains, And I said, don't

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<v Speaker 2>you damn make me a hero? How boring? And they said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're definitely not making you a hero. That's like fabulous,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is what my whole accent is leading towards

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<v Speaker 2>is being a villain. You can't be a hero with

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<v Speaker 2>an accent like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that you need to have villainous qualities

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<v Speaker 1>to be a good journalist? Because after watching Survivor and

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<v Speaker 1>seeing journalists being portrayed this way, is this a big

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<v Speaker 1>statement about all journalists?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it definitely is, because you know we run

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<v Speaker 2>with the foxes and hunt with the hounds. Well I

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<v Speaker 2>do anyway, So I think it was a perfect role

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<v Speaker 2>for me, but it wasn't even a role that's literally

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<v Speaker 2>how I actually am in real life.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you lean into this villainous role because,

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<v Speaker 1>like I've worked with you before, and from my experience

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<v Speaker 1>working with you, villainry is not something that I would

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<v Speaker 1>have put with you at all. So, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>watched The Real Housewives of Melbourne and I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>we got some villainry in that, But then though shows

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<v Speaker 1>kind of heightened that reality. Do you genuinely think of

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<v Speaker 1>yourself as a villain?

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose if. Yeah, I kind of do, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I do take risks and I don't play life safe,

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<v Speaker 2>which is sort of, you know, a villainy kind of

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<v Speaker 2>thing to do. But I was the villain on the

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<v Speaker 2>season that I did of Real Housewives, basically because I

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<v Speaker 2>just paid out on everyone but behind their backs, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>because I didn't really like confrontation unless I'm being paid

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<v Speaker 2>very well to have it. And then of course I

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<v Speaker 2>quit the season in the middle of it, the only

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<v Speaker 2>Real housewive ever to do that, and of course that

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<v Speaker 2>made me she did what so And if I hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>done that, I don't think that I would have got Survivor.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, I was told that although Survivor

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<v Speaker 2>wanted me for what I bring journalistically, that basically the

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<v Speaker 2>crap I pulled on Housewives put me on everyone's radar

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why I was cast. So I'm absolutely thrilled.

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<v Speaker 2>I still can't believe that I did either of the shows,

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<v Speaker 2>but amazing experiences. I'm very very thankful.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there was a lot of promotion for you being

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<v Speaker 1>a news anchor, and we got to see that in

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<v Speaker 1>the promotion for Survivor Heroes versus films, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't see a lot in the promotion of you

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<v Speaker 1>being a housewife. Was that a conscious decision in the

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<v Speaker 1>promotion of you being on the show?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, very much.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 2>They wanted to play down my role in Housewives, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>and play up my journalistic career, which I'm very happy

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<v Speaker 2>about because you know, I was a housewife for this

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<v Speaker 2>slog and a journalist for that long. But they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to. And of course Housewives comes with its own connotations,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, of being sort of shallow and bitchy

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<v Speaker 2>and nasty, and that's not what they wanted to promote.

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<v Speaker 2>They wanted to promote, you know, being smart and strategic

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<v Speaker 2>and being good with the English language. That's what they wanted,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm told that's what they got.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. What was your favorite part from watching the launch episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it definitely wasn't me leaving. That was hard. I

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<v Speaker 2>had some tears. I think my favorite part was in

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<v Speaker 2>its entirety, the edit that I got. I was really

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<v Speaker 2>really pleased with it, and it did kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>Housewives become the Angeli Show.

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<v Speaker 1>It was great.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like I had all of that episode. I

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<v Speaker 2>was really really pleased. And also since the show wrapped,

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<v Speaker 2>We've actually all become really good friends, even though that

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<v Speaker 2>I never properly got to meet. They've all just been

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<v Speaker 2>so lovely to me, really supportive and warm, and we

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<v Speaker 2>all hang out and they check in on me all

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<v Speaker 2>the time and just really you know, great people. But

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<v Speaker 2>also you know, as soon as I exit, Rip said

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<v Speaker 2>to me, you were the greatest first boot in Survivor history,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like, that tells me. That meant everything to me.

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<v Speaker 2>That tells me that I did exactly what I was

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to do, except in a much shorter timeframe, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very efficient. So that was it that they got

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<v Speaker 2>what they needed in one episode, So that was that

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<v Speaker 2>really really meant a huge amount to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed on a couple of the fan forums people

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about people to go on these shows to

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<v Speaker 1>earn their paycheck, and people said, Angelie row on Housewives

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<v Speaker 1>on Survivor, she knows that she's there to do a job.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there was a debate that came off the

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<v Speaker 1>back of that as to whether or not we want

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<v Speaker 1>people to ham up their time on these shows or

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<v Speaker 1>whether we lack them seeing more of who they truly are.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you find yourself in that balance of that conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, these people do not know me because this is

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<v Speaker 2>really who I am. It's not that I was playing

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<v Speaker 2>a role or hamming it up. I don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. I'm just like this as a person in

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<v Speaker 2>my normal daily life. So I never read any fan forums.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to put that out there. Learned that

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<v Speaker 2>the hard way, you know, And I know there was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of There were some comments that came through

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<v Speaker 2>to me before I remember to switch off my DMS

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<v Speaker 2>about oh my girl, well if you couldn't hack it

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<v Speaker 2>on Housewives, how are you going to be in the jungle?

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<v Speaker 2>Blah blah blah blah blah. It's like, for God's sake,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just jealous that I get the opportunities and you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, if you hate me that much, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you care if I last five minutes on Survivor.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, it really is. But you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Yes, I am there to do a job, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm there to have experiences for myself. Like life is

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<v Speaker 2>all about experiences and stories and being able to share

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<v Speaker 2>those things. I just have more of them than most.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't really think that we really saw enough

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<v Speaker 1>of the reason why they stacked those votes against you.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you think that you were going home? Or was

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<v Speaker 1>there a real you know, I call it getting the

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<v Speaker 1>Survivor show bag when you get all the experience, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's a part of the Survivor showbag that you

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<v Speaker 1>get blindsided. But did you what went down to get

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<v Speaker 1>all those votes? Though? I don't feel like we saw

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<v Speaker 1>enough of that?

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<v Speaker 2>Really simple they voted me off because well, they said

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<v Speaker 2>it was because I was too close to George and Jackie,

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<v Speaker 2>But what it really was was that they knew that

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<v Speaker 2>if I stayed I would get all the airtime, exactly

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<v Speaker 2>as I did on Housewives. They were just like, none

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<v Speaker 2>of us are going to get a look and if

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<v Speaker 2>she stays around. So I think that was a huge

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<v Speaker 2>part of it. You know, George might be the Messiah

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<v Speaker 2>of Macedonia, but I am the Empress of the edit

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<v Speaker 2>and it's TV baby. So but with George and Jackie gone,

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<v Speaker 2>it was my two protectors, my double safety blanket, bam

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<v Speaker 2>both gone, one fell sweep. That's it. How dare they

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<v Speaker 2>have the audacity to end up in hospital and leave

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<v Speaker 2>me exposed like that standing on the beach in front

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<v Speaker 2>of all those people with no nickers on. I mean seriously, So,

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<v Speaker 2>I I kind of thought, if I get through Tribal tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm very lucky. But I have to prepare myself

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<v Speaker 2>to be going home just because those two very powerful

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<v Speaker 2>players protecting me were gone. And it's just the obvious

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<v Speaker 2>choice that So if that happens, what do I do?

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<v Speaker 2>Just make sure I get the best to edit, be memorable,

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<v Speaker 2>be funny, be likable, get a great edit. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>what happened. So, because you know, I looked around and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, these people are athletes

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<v Speaker 2>and olympians and oh my god, this is so righting

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<v Speaker 2>and intimidating. But you turn it to don't know anything

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<v Speaker 2>about TV, and I do. So I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 2>be as hilarious as I can and just get through

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<v Speaker 2>it that way. And I'm glad that I played it

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<v Speaker 2>the way that I did.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed like that alliance, though with George, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of cut short. But would you have really

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<v Speaker 1>trusted that relationship? Did you think that relationship with George

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<v Speaker 1>had you stayed, do you think it would have been sustainable?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it would have been sustainable for a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>but eventually, of course, you know, we would just turn

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<v Speaker 2>around and eat each other. But you know it, we

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<v Speaker 2>did have that close bond. But I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it came from the fact that on the first night,

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<v Speaker 2>well my only night, we had the worst shelter in

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<v Speaker 2>the world, and none of us could sleep except George.

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<v Speaker 2>He was right next to me and he put his

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<v Speaker 2>head on my boob and fell fast asleep, snoring. So

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<v Speaker 2>everybody thought he was super close after that, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, like we did form a natural sort of bond.

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<v Speaker 2>So he had. He used to really like watching me

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<v Speaker 2>on Dateline. He was back at in his UNI days

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<v Speaker 2>so and I obviously loved watching him on his season,

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<v Speaker 2>So we had that sort of natural affinity, like I

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<v Speaker 2>like what you do, and I like what you do.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when he and Jackie decided between themselves that

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<v Speaker 2>they would protect me, but before telling me about it,

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was a really lovely moment. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Jackie and I were the fellow you know, older ladies,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know when when they said, oh, just so,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's always the older lady who gets first boot,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, how fascinating, Why are you telling

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<v Speaker 2>me that? Oh right. And then Jackie, being slightly older

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<v Speaker 2>than me, she's gone, who's the older lady? Now me?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you annoyed that you moved forward with that elimination

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that you could have all gone back to camp?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I was watching your face and I know you

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<v Speaker 1>relatively well, and I could see you were very confident

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<v Speaker 1>with moving forward to that elimination. You know, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>they probably wouldn't have been a different option anyway, because

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<v Speaker 1>there were so many people voting for it. But are

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<v Speaker 1>you annoyed that you then chose so confidently to go

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<v Speaker 1>forward with that elimination?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not, because you know, although my ballsiness was at

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<v Speaker 2>my own expense, you know, what wasn't shown was how

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<v Speaker 2>hard I persuaded all of them to have the votes

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<v Speaker 2>read because none of them wanted to. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>for God's sake, we leave the boring, safe decisions to

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<v Speaker 2>the heroes. That's what they do. We're villains, We take risks,

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<v Speaker 2>we live dangerously, we live on knife edge. Come on,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just do this. And Jonathan said to me, but Angelie,

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<v Speaker 2>one off, it's you, And I was like, we are

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<v Speaker 2>here to make TV. We're here to make some damn

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<v Speaker 2>good drama. If it's me, the bigger the drama. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's just do this. And I stand by that absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it does hurt when, you know, I saw

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<v Speaker 2>my name repeatedly come up, even though I'm really not

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<v Speaker 2>sure that I was voted off because none of them

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<v Speaker 2>actually spelt my name right. It was difficult to seeing

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<v Speaker 2>my name that many times, not least because on the

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<v Speaker 2>beach they'd all say, actually, it's so straight don't worry

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<v Speaker 2>that George and Jaggie aren't here. You're completely see. If

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<v Speaker 2>we love you, we won't you around. Just so funny

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<v Speaker 2>a few bastards.

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<v Speaker 1>You never trust anyone that straightway protests too much, is

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<v Speaker 1>what I think. In reality television, the ones that say

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<v Speaker 1>that I love you, I never the ones that love you.

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<v Speaker 2>No. Indeed, I never cast a fellow villain.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, Seanie, it looked like she thought she

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<v Speaker 1>was going to go home. Do you think there was

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<v Speaker 1>ever a real chance of her going home?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Na, her name never came up in any conversations that

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<v Speaker 2>I had. It was Stevie, Stevie, Stevie like Stevie all

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<v Speaker 2>the way. And I really regret that now because I've

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<v Speaker 2>gotten to know Stevie, and he's just an absolute darling.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish that I'd chosen differently. I know exactly who

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<v Speaker 2>I would have chosen, and a whole bunch of the

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<v Speaker 2>other villains now just.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, oh God, who would you have chosen? You can't

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<v Speaker 1>leave us with that.

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<v Speaker 2>A whole bunch of us would have chosen Michael.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, of course it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, wait, how did I not write Michael's with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Not being sped properly, You're not sleeping properly, all of

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<v Speaker 1>these things staying against you. You'd never seem to think

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<v Speaker 1>of what's right in front of you. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of rooms circulating this morning about another reality

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<v Speaker 1>show that might be coming up for you that you'd

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<v Speaker 1>already been asked to do something. Is that sounding like

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<v Speaker 1>where your home is with reality? Because I've worked with

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<v Speaker 1>you as a journalist. We covered the election, the American election,

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<v Speaker 1>and you as a journalist, to me, is who you

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<v Speaker 1>really are? Do you think you're going to go with

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<v Speaker 1>the I'm not going to ask you about that reality show,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's true or not, because I know it's true

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<v Speaker 1>and you're not allowed to talk about it. But where

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<v Speaker 1>do you think you want to go with that. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to stay in reality or do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to return to being a journalist.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think I've really left being a journalist, so

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<v Speaker 2>I still really love doing it. It's just that the

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<v Speaker 2>industry in this country has been not good to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredibly racist and I've talked about it many times

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<v Speaker 2>in the media. I'm afraid that's just the nature of

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<v Speaker 2>the game in Australia. And you know, they didn't see

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<v Speaker 2>me as Australian, even though the second I popped out

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<v Speaker 2>of my mother I was an Australian. So but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a different Australian and that's not palatable amongst the journalistic community.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always said, you know, diversity in Australian TV journalism

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<v Speaker 2>means that you're a brunette and all you have to

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<v Speaker 2>do is switch on the TV and see that. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>exactly right. It's really so, and it's been very hard

0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.800
<v Speaker 2>to take that. I've been really really lucky in building

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<v Speaker 2>up my global MC in career and now with reality

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<v Speaker 2>TV coming for me. It's not something I ever thought

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<v Speaker 2>I do. I thought the most reality I would get

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<v Speaker 2>was the news. I mean, that's pretty damn real, but

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<v Speaker 2>reality TV unscripted formats, that's where that's where it's at.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's the future of TV. Nobody's paying for

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<v Speaker 2>scripted anymore. Yeah, So I have been approached to do

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<v Speaker 2>something else later this year. Again, it's not something that

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<v Speaker 2>I ever thought of, but it's like, yeah, why not?

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<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, absolutely make good TV. You make fabulous TV.

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<v Speaker 1>So look, I think that that is you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>great and you've got an audience for it. Normally, at

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<v Speaker 1>this point I ask people what it is, something from

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes, something people wouldn't expect, but we kind

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<v Speaker 1>of don't want to give away too much from Survivor.

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<v Speaker 1>This season, I'm going to be asking people who do

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<v Speaker 1>they think. Two questions first being who's your pick to win?

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<v Speaker 1>Not what you know now maybe, but like when you

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<v Speaker 1>left that beach, who did you think was going to win?

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<v Speaker 2>It was difficult because I wasn't there really long enough,

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<v Speaker 2>but I did sort of think, if it's a hero

0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Sean because he's just like nine feet tall and none

0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.880
<v Speaker 2>of those challenges, any sort of challenge for him at all,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm five foot and was just like.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see the part where there were so many

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<v Speaker 1>moments where the cameraman didn't even bother getting him in

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<v Speaker 1>like that. He's actually there was a group shot of

0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.200
<v Speaker 1>everyone and he just said cut off from the shoulders

0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.240
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh God, anyway.

0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:40.520
<v Speaker 2>And then if it was if George were to come back,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have him for he'd be a really good

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<v Speaker 2>pick I think to win. I also thought maybe Seanne

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<v Speaker 2>because she's she's just so cunning and she knows the

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<v Speaker 2>game better than anyone because she's just done it more times.

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<v Speaker 1>The last thing I'm ask people is, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you came back, what theme would you come back with?

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<v Speaker 1>Because we do see a lot of survivor players come

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<v Speaker 1>back to the show, and we do see lots of themes.

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<v Speaker 1>What's a theme that Angelie Rau could come back?

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<v Speaker 4>What?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Give me some options.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think a good one could be journalists versus.

0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Then say journalists versus Reality because we're foighting myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have enough personalities for this.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it can be all reality stars against each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Who would be the worst housewife for you to go

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<v Speaker 1>back onto a show if they revealed you in a

0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:39.200
<v Speaker 1>reality show with one of your past castmates or past housewives,

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<v Speaker 1>who'd be the one that you'd be like, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it would actually probably be Simone because she

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<v Speaker 2>would just bore me to death.

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<v Speaker 1>Angelie Rao, you are hilarious as always and I love

0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:54.960
<v Speaker 1>that we left on that note as it was very

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<v Speaker 1>villainous and also very entertaining. Thank you so much for.

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<v Speaker 2>Your time and his own Van love you.

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<v Speaker 1>A great chat with Angelie Rau and a good warm

0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.160
<v Speaker 1>up for things to come. With the next guest, let's

0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:10.000
<v Speaker 1>bring Michael into the pod. Buckle up as he's going

0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:12.400
<v Speaker 1>to drop some of his home truths and I still

0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:16.159
<v Speaker 1>think it's going to polarize audiences. Hi Michael, thanks for

0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.480
<v Speaker 1>popping in and chatting about Australian Survivor morning.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's an absolute pleasure to join you.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben. So far we have lost two journalists. Do you

0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:29.000
<v Speaker 1>think that maybe, you know, maybe the journalistic integrity doesn't

0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.920
<v Speaker 1>work so well on a show like Australian Survivor.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, but I think my background, my profession has

0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:36.720
<v Speaker 3>got anything to do with it. I just think it's

0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:40.280
<v Speaker 3>more identified my threats and George being number one and

0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.480
<v Speaker 3>he didn't like it, and Seanie didn't like it because

0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:46.359
<v Speaker 3>that meant that two returne players were going to go home, Ben,

0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.480
<v Speaker 3>And hence why I'm sitting here on the couch today.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to move too far away from this and not

0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.520
<v Speaker 1>to hammer it down, but how would you compare your

0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.200
<v Speaker 1>time on the show with Angelie Rau? You know, two

0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.080
<v Speaker 1>very different journalists. What was the co parison in your mind?

0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:06.199
<v Speaker 3>Nothing, I'm I'm not a desperate housewife number one, and

0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.199
<v Speaker 3>Angelie was probably I think it was well known that

0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:12.080
<v Speaker 3>Angeli was quite dead weight, dead weight on the in

0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.919
<v Speaker 3>the tribe. You know, she's all about glitz and glamour

0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.440
<v Speaker 3>and I'm just a humble community journalist who covers grandma's

0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:22.840
<v Speaker 3>who has dogs have three legs. And Angelie was struggling

0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:25.040
<v Speaker 3>out there, and it was no surprise that she went

0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:25.679
<v Speaker 3>home first.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't really see the reasons as to why people

0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:30.720
<v Speaker 1>had decided to get rid of her, you know, was

0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:32.440
<v Speaker 1>there something that we didn't see or was it just

0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:34.879
<v Speaker 1>simply that people thought she was dead weight? Or was

0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:38.200
<v Speaker 1>she going around saying things that hadn't boded well with people?

0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:43.320
<v Speaker 3>Good question, too easy answers. Number one, She was dead weight,

0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.919
<v Speaker 3>like as a in terms of challenges, we knew that

0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:48.720
<v Speaker 3>she had to go. That was a no brainer. She

0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:51.760
<v Speaker 3>just wasn't cutting the mustard. But number two, it was

0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:54.720
<v Speaker 3>very clear that she was struggling out there. Like sometimes Ben,

0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.119
<v Speaker 3>as you know in TV, what you see on TV,

0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:59.320
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot happening behind the scenes, and she was

0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:01.800
<v Speaker 3>someone who was, you know, talking to a lot of

0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.480
<v Speaker 3>people about how much she wasn't handling the handling the conditions,

0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:08.840
<v Speaker 3>the environment, the lack of food, the sleep deprivation, and

0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:10.920
<v Speaker 3>so it was very clear. It was just like she's

0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.760
<v Speaker 3>going home and that's what's happening. So that they're the

0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:16.440
<v Speaker 3>two reasons she was struggling with the conditions and the show.

0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.280
<v Speaker 3>And number two, she was deadweight to challenges. And that's

0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:20.199
<v Speaker 3>that's just the facts.

0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:22.159
<v Speaker 1>That's a good question to ask you at this point

0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:26.280
<v Speaker 1>is are you rethinking your gameplay, especially after watching it

0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:28.160
<v Speaker 1>play out on television last night?

0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:30.760
<v Speaker 3>No bet. I made my mind always stay true to

0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:34.000
<v Speaker 3>yourself at all times and don't seek validation or approval

0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.480
<v Speaker 3>made and I look back and I wouldn't change a thing.

0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:38.399
<v Speaker 3>I did what I wanted to do, and that was

0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:41.119
<v Speaker 3>to play a bold, adventures and daring game and just

0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.840
<v Speaker 3>take out my threats one by one, and the number

0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.440
<v Speaker 3>one threat that I wanted to take out was George.

0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:49.800
<v Speaker 3>And as the executives, the producers and everybody behind the

0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:52.160
<v Speaker 3>scenes said, Michael, you had him on a plan back

0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:55.280
<v Speaker 3>to Australia. Yeah, he was gone. I had him. I'd engineered,

0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:59.159
<v Speaker 3>I had the power, I had the control. George was gone.

0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:01.760
<v Speaker 3>He was a done dinner and he knew it. And

0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.480
<v Speaker 3>that's why he was, you know, searching for an idol.

0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:06.919
<v Speaker 3>He knew it. He was cooked. If it wasn't for

0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:10.600
<v Speaker 3>his injury, he was going home. So that's extremely disappointing.

0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:14.680
<v Speaker 3>And hence when he comes back, Shawnnie jumps behind George,

0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:18.520
<v Speaker 3>uses him as a shield, groundbreaking strategy not and then

0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:21.879
<v Speaker 3>you know, Shannie brought in the girls, and then my

0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.399
<v Speaker 3>time was done. But Ben, Mate, I look back and

0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:27.320
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't have done a thing differently. I own my game, Ben,

0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:29.720
<v Speaker 3>and I don't stand. I don't shy away from that.

0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:33.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm not a I'm unpologetic about my game. Ben. It

0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:35.040
<v Speaker 3>is what it is, Mate, I have no regrets.

0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:38.160
<v Speaker 1>George's return was probably one of the most dramatic things

0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:42.160
<v Speaker 1>that I've seen on reality television. There was no beating

0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:45.320
<v Speaker 1>around the bush. He was severely injured, but then too,

0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.040
<v Speaker 1>I guess make audiences feel a little bit better about

0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:50.280
<v Speaker 1>what must have happened to him. We got a very

0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:56.040
<v Speaker 1>entertaining slash dramatic baptism that seemed so surreal as an audience,

0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:59.960
<v Speaker 1>like almost hilarious, like you're watching a Monty Python episode.

0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:01.960
<v Speaker 1>How did it play out for you? How is it

0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:03.000
<v Speaker 1>in real time?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Ben, you've got to You've got to You've got

0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:08.240
<v Speaker 3>to put yourself in my shoes here. I was I engineered,

0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:10.320
<v Speaker 3>I had the at that stage, I had the numbers,

0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:12.920
<v Speaker 3>I had control, and I had things going my way.

0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:16.119
<v Speaker 3>So as far as I was concerned, like he was done,

0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 3>he was cooked. And in the back of my mind,

0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:19.880
<v Speaker 3>I know he's like a snake. He's a copper oach,

0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:22.359
<v Speaker 3>and you know they're very hard to kill. So I

0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:25.840
<v Speaker 3>knew that somehow, whether it's production or whatever, you know,

0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:28.840
<v Speaker 3>he mysteriously come out of the bushes and wandering back

0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:32.040
<v Speaker 3>to camp, and that's exactly what happened. So from that

0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:35.160
<v Speaker 3>moment on, I knew that I had to double down

0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:37.040
<v Speaker 3>and make things happen. But I knew if you came

0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:40.040
<v Speaker 3>back Seannie knew that I wanted to take George out,

0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:42.639
<v Speaker 3>So I knew that I was in trouble immediately, so

0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:44.520
<v Speaker 3>I had to play even harder to try and stay

0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:47.119
<v Speaker 3>in the game. And yeah, you saw it played out well.

0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 1>You worked hard at your alliances, and I kind of

0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:53.080
<v Speaker 1>felt like there were some some bad ideas with some

0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.280
<v Speaker 1>of your alliances. I mean, who do you think was

0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:59.600
<v Speaker 1>your worst alliance someone you might have accidentally mistrusted.

0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:03.240
<v Speaker 3>I didn't mistrust anyone, mate. If we talk about Mimi

0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:06.200
<v Speaker 3>and Sarah and Liz, like when you go to sleep

0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:08.240
<v Speaker 3>at night and you hear girls talking about they're any

0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:11.080
<v Speaker 3>on the show to get Instagram followers and stuff, so

0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:12.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't I just don't roll with people. I don't

0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:15.040
<v Speaker 3>roll with people like that. Ben. I didn't want to

0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:17.000
<v Speaker 3>go around the Piranhas and the high Ennis in the camp,

0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:19.680
<v Speaker 3>so I didn't seek approval of validation. I just wanted

0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:22.680
<v Speaker 3>to play the game and see who I organically went

0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:25.560
<v Speaker 3>to and who organically come to me. And so in

0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:28.600
<v Speaker 3>terms of mistrusting, maybe Steve. You know, Stevie was a

0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:31.160
<v Speaker 3>fit flopper, and when it came to the crunch, Stevie

0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:35.960
<v Speaker 3>dislacked the intestinal fortitude to stay strong. But to camera, Jordie,

0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:37.919
<v Speaker 3>I never trusted you know, one person in front of

0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:41.119
<v Speaker 3>the camera, another person off it, and you know, for me,

0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:43.719
<v Speaker 3>it was just the one person I trusted was Simon,

0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:45.960
<v Speaker 3>and it is what it is like. I'm not going

0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:48.000
<v Speaker 3>to go out and beg for people, to beg for

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:50.800
<v Speaker 3>people's votes. I'd rather play the game on my terms,

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:51.480
<v Speaker 3>to be quite frank.

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:54.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh, look, I would mistrust Simon any day of the week.

0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:58.080
<v Speaker 1>But that's a completely different story. The villains are copying

0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:00.879
<v Speaker 1>it really hard. You know, do you think that the

0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:03.360
<v Speaker 1>teams have been unfairly stacked?

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:06.000
<v Speaker 3>That's a good Ben, it's a good question, mate. And

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:08.919
<v Speaker 3>I arrived at our first challenge, I look at the

0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 3>heroes women and I thought, Mate, there women was so fast,

0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:18.879
<v Speaker 3>suppearing stronger than ours. It was ridiculous. Like Jackie, Angelie Sarah.

0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:21.800
<v Speaker 3>I just thought the women here are mentally fragile and

0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:26.480
<v Speaker 3>just physically not of the ilk of Haley and Nina. Mate.

0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:29.240
<v Speaker 3>The short answers, Yes, I felt there was a distinct

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:32.160
<v Speaker 3>indifference between the two tribe strengths and you can see

0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:34.880
<v Speaker 3>that right now. And I think what you'll find going forward, Ben,

0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:37.480
<v Speaker 3>is the villains will continue to be in a world of.

0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Trouble, regardless of how the cookie crumbles. Are you happy

0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:41.800
<v Speaker 1>with the fact that you did the show?

0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:44.879
<v Speaker 3>Ben? Another good question, like such a simple question, but

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 3>such a such a stacked and loaded question. You know,

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 3>playing in the nutshell. Playing Survivor is a twenty year

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:53.320
<v Speaker 3>dream bend for me personally. I wasn't in it for

0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 3>Instagram followers. I'm not like, I have my Instagram accounts closed,

0:25:57.560 --> 0:25:59.919
<v Speaker 3>like I'm a private guy. I'm on television, but I'm

0:25:59.920 --> 0:26:02.359
<v Speaker 3>a private guy. It's a dream come true. But I

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 3>did it because I'm a purist of Survivor and I

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:07.720
<v Speaker 3>wanted to be known as a Survivor player. So it

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 3>is what it is. Like I've lived the experience now,

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.159
<v Speaker 3>I know how it happens behind the scenes. I know

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:15.120
<v Speaker 3>how it's put together. I know production had high hopes

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:16.960
<v Speaker 3>for me. Ben. I know that they wanted me to

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:20.040
<v Speaker 3>go much deeper as did I. But survive is such

0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:23.160
<v Speaker 3>a fluid game, Ben, that things can change, and that's

0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:25.720
<v Speaker 3>what happened. But of course I'm happy, Ben, But I

0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:27.320
<v Speaker 3>just wish I had gone further. But that's the way

0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:27.879
<v Speaker 3>life goes.

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 1>They bring people back, so you just never worry. Well

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:34.199
<v Speaker 1>watch his space, Ben, what do you think was the

0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:36.919
<v Speaker 1>hardest thing about the experience. Obviously, being a survivor purist,

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 1>you know you would have a fairly good understanding of

0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:41.400
<v Speaker 1>what was going to happen. But then in the reality

0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:43.200
<v Speaker 1>of it, you know what was the hardest thing.

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:47.119
<v Speaker 3>The gameplay was easy. I know you haven't askedt gameplay

0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 3>was easy. What was hard was getting fifty minutes sleep

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 3>a night. I challenge anyone to operate and function very

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:58.639
<v Speaker 3>clearly and easily with that limited amount of sleep. So

0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 3>you add sleep deprivation, which was like so minimal, and

0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:04.960
<v Speaker 3>then you add starvation on top of that. Those two

0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:07.639
<v Speaker 3>factors been it doesn't matter who you are, they affect

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 3>They just affect you. But also the way Survivors shot,

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:14.399
<v Speaker 3>it's so intense that you know, the camera's never off you,

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 3>and that's I know that you've done that, but people

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:20.879
<v Speaker 3>behind the scenes, the actual shooting aspect is so intense

0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 3>at the same time, and I signed up for that

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:26.400
<v Speaker 3>and so that's totally fine, but those things are stick

0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:29.200
<v Speaker 3>in my mind. Those the shooting, their sleep deprivation, and

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:30.560
<v Speaker 3>like starvation.

0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 1>People said, why was I such a bitch on big Brother,

0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:37.080
<v Speaker 1>And the answer was, I was starving.

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:38.919
<v Speaker 3>Ben I get it, mate, and you know when the

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 3>spotlight's on and the heats on in the kitchen, like

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:45.440
<v Speaker 3>it makes it makes people ordinary everyday people do funny things.

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Ben, Well, we need to talk about these challenges because

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that they'd planned challenges as extreme as

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 1>this season. And you know how hard are the challenges

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.159
<v Speaker 1>in real life? And were you kind of expecting it

0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 1>to be that time?

0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:58.879
<v Speaker 3>I prepared for the worst, Ben, when I signed up

0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:02.120
<v Speaker 3>to this show. I was willing to This may sound extreme,

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 3>and you can take it forward it is, but I

0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:05.640
<v Speaker 3>was willing to lose my life out there, Ben. If

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:08.640
<v Speaker 3>I was to lose my life, so what like whatever?

0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:11.160
<v Speaker 3>In reference to the challenges, for example, the one where

0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:13.680
<v Speaker 3>George and Jackie hurt themselves, we had to run through

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:16.200
<v Speaker 3>with the challenge producers about how to do the challenge right,

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 3>and that was the goal go over the top and

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:21.679
<v Speaker 3>turn your shoulder, not go over face first. So with

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:24.119
<v Speaker 3>that I wanted to go first. It just didn't bother me,

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 3>like I know that I'm going to get injured on Survivor,

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:29.520
<v Speaker 3>so I don't I don't blame producers. The challenges are fine, Like,

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:31.680
<v Speaker 3>it's just the people who did them didn't do them correctly.

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:32.959
<v Speaker 3>So it is what it is.

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:34.879
<v Speaker 1>Do you think you were holding back on any future

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 1>strategies that we may have missed. I just think you

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>are the sort of person who wouldn't go in there

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 1>with one strategy. I can imagine you stacking the sandwich

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 1>and letting that evolve.

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:46.960
<v Speaker 3>Look, Bet, I think I was a pretty straightforward cat.

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 3>Essentially Ben in a nutshell. So it's clear my focus

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 3>was just to play a bold and daring game. I

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 3>hate players Ben who say on day one I'm going

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:57.120
<v Speaker 3>to do this. In day three, I'm going to do that,

0:28:57.200 --> 0:28:59.320
<v Speaker 3>in day six, I'm going to do that. Survivor is

0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 3>such a fluid game, as you see things changing a dime,

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 3>So my game was just my mindset was just to

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:07.959
<v Speaker 3>adapt and see and play the player. Who's the biggest

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 3>threat in front of me? George, I'm taking him out immediately, Shannie,

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm taking her out immediately. Who's after that? That's all

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 3>my mindset was. I wasn't looking looking to the merge

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 3>and you know, trying to win Instagram followers. It was

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 3>playing the game and playing the player, so you know,

0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 3>having planned cdn. No, it was just who's the biggest threat?

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 3>Ben and how do I get that? How can I

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 3>send them home?

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 2>That's it?

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that Shawnie is making some really good television.

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I actually would go as far as saying, at the moment,

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 1>she's kind of the best person I've seen on reality

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:42.520
<v Speaker 1>TV in maybe ten years. I don't necessarily know how

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:45.480
<v Speaker 1>that felt, you know, living in that close proximity, But

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:47.239
<v Speaker 1>I guess the question I really want to ask you

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:50.960
<v Speaker 1>is who is controlling that the villain council? Like who

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 1>is It could be Simon, it could be Shonnie, and

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:54.480
<v Speaker 1>it could be George.

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 3>Like regarding Shannie, I personally don't think that she's a mastermind.

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:02.720
<v Speaker 3>What's if you look at previous Survivor series as she

0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:06.960
<v Speaker 3>didn't go far So I think there's a miss narrative

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 3>about Shawnie's game. I don't think she's all out of

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 3>a player quite frank that's just my take. Having played

0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:14.680
<v Speaker 3>with her, I think it's overstated her influence in the game,

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 3>like production and TV commercials can make someone look at

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:19.479
<v Speaker 3>much more than what they actually are. And when I

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 3>was out, yes, I know she played a role in

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 3>my demise fair play, that's great, but I don't think

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 3>she's all to have a play. I'll just make that

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 3>very clear in terms of who's controlling the camp. In

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:31.600
<v Speaker 3>my opinion, if like in a nutshell, I still feel

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:34.320
<v Speaker 3>it's George, believe it or not. He still has an

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 3>influence where he'll suck up to someone and he'll play

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 3>a sympathy game, or he'll lie and people buy his lies.

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 3>Not this guy, but other people. So underlyingly, it's still George,

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:48.160
<v Speaker 3>and no one can tell me different.

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, George is kind of the one to be. I mean,

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 1>come on, like this this guy is Ben.

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 3>Why do you think? Why do you think I he

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 3>was my target? Immediately?

0:30:57.440 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I just thought you were so right. I was like,

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 1>come on, Michael is so right. George let this team down.

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 1>This challenge was lost because of it.

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 3>Was a fair call Ben. Was that a fair call

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 3>to pull him out.

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:11.719
<v Speaker 1>Of course. But the problem was that these players, when

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:13.880
<v Speaker 1>they've come back and they've played it before, they know

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 1>that they can cook your goose when it comes to

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 1>being in that tribal council. And that's all that really

0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:20.600
<v Speaker 1>happened to you was that they managed to get under

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 1>your skin, and rightfully so.

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 3>But did they? But did they?

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know? I mean, you were sitting close to

0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 1>the fire, so I did think that maybe it was

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 1>a little bit hot under the.

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 3>Collar, Benny. But Benny, Benny, let me make something clear, mate,

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 3>My face was not read whatsoever, and I was cool

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 3>as a cucumber. You saw there was at that time.

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 3>There was some emotional calmness needed, and that's what that's

0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 3>what I provide. George doesn't like being called out, Ben,

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 3>that's the fact. And when I called him out, his

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:48.360
<v Speaker 3>face went red, not mine.

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 1>You know what it's like though, It's like one point

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:52.960
<v Speaker 1>one finger pointing at you, three fingers pointing back. You know,

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:55.239
<v Speaker 1>when someone accuses you of something in a show like this,

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 1>they usually are feeling it themselves.

0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 3>So Benny, that's a mate. Think that's a massive point

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 3>you just made. George was under distinct pressure. I don't

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 3>think it ever had a player come out in that

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 3>hard like he was smothered out there, like I put

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 3>him under so much pressure that he knew why do

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 3>you think he was searching for an idol so much,

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 3>so so badly? Like the execs said, Michael, you had

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 3>him on a plane back to Australia. He was done

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 3>and so he looked at me as in his eyes

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 3>the Hugess threat, whether he admits it or not. Why

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 3>do you think that I got sent home because Seannie

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 3>and he knew that I was coming at either him

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 3>so hard. So I don't care the rest of the tribe.

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:36.360
<v Speaker 3>Bend lacked the strength and mental fortitude to get it done.

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:38.840
<v Speaker 3>But I wasn't going to sit back and let Seannie

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 3>and George get a free ride in that game.

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 1>Ben, come back to the same question I have to

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>ask you, and that is that you know, watching the show,

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:51.040
<v Speaker 1>we got a very very distinct picture of you. Talking

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 1>to you today, you know, I'm getting that again, and

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>I just I just want to ask you, you know,

0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:57.480
<v Speaker 1>do you think there was a sign of you that

0:32:57.520 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 1>we didn't see on the show. Do you think that's

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 1>exactly Who's.

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 3>Very good question that Ben. We all have different size

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:04.720
<v Speaker 3>to us. But what I've like, I've said the Channel ten,

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 3>like I've said to every like you're judging me on

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 3>a five minute interaction on a podcast, Ben, what I

0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 3>will say, you know, there's a hard nose, but there's

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 3>also such a delicate, softer, caring side with humor, and

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 3>it just wasn't shown. Ben.

0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 1>Well, I can tell you this that It's been ten

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:26.240
<v Speaker 1>years since I was on Big Brother and people still

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:28.760
<v Speaker 1>think that I'm a bitch.

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:31.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, I thought you were quite nasty back in the day, Ben,

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 3>But mate, listening to you over the far on your podcast,

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 3>you're a nice man like. But it's all about people

0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 3>see that no sleep, no food. They make a judgment,

0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, crazy, what's he doing? No, I'm an everyday

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:48.479
<v Speaker 3>guy in the suburb with a brain, intelligence and humor.

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:51.200
<v Speaker 3>Only one side is shown of your personality, you know.

0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, all that I learned over ten years time

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:55.920
<v Speaker 1>was it doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks of you,

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 1>if someone's watched you on to show or that it's

0:33:57.840 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 1>sen you walk down the street. It's the people in

0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.520
<v Speaker 1>your life. It's your friends, it's your family, and it's

0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:04.640
<v Speaker 1>how you see yourself that matters.

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 3>What and you have to that's and that's my point,

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:09.440
<v Speaker 3>Like you've got to have like I don't seek validation

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:13.239
<v Speaker 3>or approval from anyone. Like I'm a self assured, confident,

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:17.719
<v Speaker 3>measured guy. So what other people's other people's opinions of me,

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.879
<v Speaker 3>Ben mean, Jack Shisen, They don't mean a thing. Whether

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 3>it's media, what's that saying?

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Again? Sorry to interrupt, But.

0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:25.800
<v Speaker 3>What's Jack Jack Jack Jack shisen?

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 1>What other people think of you as none of your business.

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:30.759
<v Speaker 3>Again, there's so many sides of me, Ben, but you know,

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 3>and I had friends calling you last night saying they

0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:35.839
<v Speaker 3>wish that those sides have been shown, but I have been.

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't blame the edit. I don't I'm not here

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:40.720
<v Speaker 3>to whack any of the like, Mate, I own my game,

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 3>the edits, the edit. You know. I have no hard feelings, Ben,

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.120
<v Speaker 3>with anything, my friend, and you know it's TV. I

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 3>played my dream and I have no hard feelings.

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:51.839
<v Speaker 1>At the end of my podcast, I always ask people

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:53.800
<v Speaker 1>this question, you know, what's the behind the scenes secret,

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 1>which we're not doing for Survivor because we can't.

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 3>Peel the onion to I love to tell you, Ben.

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 1>So I'm sort of finished the podcast a little bit differently,

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:04.319
<v Speaker 1>and I'm asking you who do you think your pick

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 1>to win is? And not what you know now, but

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 1>what you thought when you walked out of that tribal council.

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:14.759
<v Speaker 3>Someone like a Matt Sharp from the hero's tribe. I

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 3>know that I didn't play for the heroes, but he

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 3>just strikes me, as you know, affable, friendly, gets along

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 3>with everybody fly, it will just fly on the radar,

0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:25.799
<v Speaker 3>be your mate's mate. So for mine it be it'll

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.760
<v Speaker 3>be Mattie Sharp or someone like a David zachar Rice,

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:29.879
<v Speaker 3>someone like that.

0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:32.719
<v Speaker 1>I asked Angeley Row yesterday. I said, you know, if

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 1>they make you come back to this show, because they

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>make people come back to Survivor, you know what theme

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 1>would you like to come back for? And we kind

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 1>of struggled. We were like, you know, maybe journalists versus

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:44.400
<v Speaker 1>reality TV contestants or.

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 3>I've got a great I've got a great one for you, Ben,

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 3>I'd love to come back with one's Survivor rivals. So

0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 3>over the years, people who have gone like head to

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:56.240
<v Speaker 3>head or butted heads on the show, so like George

0:35:56.239 --> 0:36:00.520
<v Speaker 3>and myself, like all matchups where there's been flip or

0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:04.280
<v Speaker 3>clashes or whatever it may be, but just Survivor rivals.

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:05.360
<v Speaker 3>I think that would be awesome.

0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Mate, Can I just say this has been such a

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 1>fun chat?

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:10.239
<v Speaker 3>You know then you say it to everybody, but thank you.

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Let me know how you feel about that chat with Michael.

0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:15.319
<v Speaker 1>I feel like he really didn't hold back, so some

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 1>juicy content there. However, let's bring in the final guest

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 1>of this podcast. Let's bring in Mimi. I'm dying to

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:24.439
<v Speaker 1>ask her about the cookies, if Simon's idol is real,

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and who she thinks will win. Anyway, I hope you

0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 1>enjoy this chat. Let's bring Mimi into the pod and

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 1>we're going. Hi, Mimi, thanks for popping into chat about

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Australian survivor.

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:37.239
<v Speaker 4>Thank you for having me. I'm happy to be here.

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, I was watching you going through those cookies, which

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 1>ended up kind of being your undoing. They kind of

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.279
<v Speaker 1>hung you out on that. Do you regret going through

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 1>the cookie jar?

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 4>I actually don't think it was that.

0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 4>It was a weird moment in that tribal council somehow.

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 4>I think, yeah, the vote has changed. I think that

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:58.279
<v Speaker 4>vote changed three times in that tribal council. So I

0:36:58.360 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 4>just got the short end of the stick.

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Me and me, I have no fingernails. That's from watching

0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:07.799
<v Speaker 1>the episode because that tribal Council was just electric television

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 1>and you could really see that no one really knew

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 1>where it was going to go when it started. And

0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:15.680
<v Speaker 1>I kept doing the mass and also I did veggie

0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 1>mouths at school. I was never good at it. I

0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:19.160
<v Speaker 1>couldn't work it out. I didn't know how it was

0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:19.719
<v Speaker 1>going to land.

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:22.480
<v Speaker 4>I was just crossing my fingers and toes and hoping

0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:23.359
<v Speaker 4>that I wouldn't go home.

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 1>But wait the other way, Well, I kept singing throughout

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 1>the entire episode, who stole the cookies in the cookie Jar?

0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 4>I just can't believe there was actually something in there

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 4>that killed me, that absolutely killed me.

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:37.560
<v Speaker 1>It's really just luck, chance and circumstance that you were

0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:38.799
<v Speaker 1>not able to find that.

0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:42.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well it was pitch black, so I couldn't see,

0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 4>but I was hoping that I would feel something solid,

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 4>and I actually put my hand in twice to go

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:52.400
<v Speaker 4>through twice, just to double check. But yeah, didn't get it, unfortunately.

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:56.279
<v Speaker 1>Is that an idol that Simon has found in the

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:58.839
<v Speaker 1>cookie jar? I feel like he thinks it is, and

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:01.640
<v Speaker 1>it's probably not. What do you think, because I mean

0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 1>they usually come with the chain and they come with

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the note. What has he got for sure?

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:08.440
<v Speaker 4>I mean you saw the idol that George picked up.

0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 4>It looks completely different to that, so I definitely don't

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:16.360
<v Speaker 4>think it's an idol. And I'm actually quite shocked that

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:19.840
<v Speaker 4>Simon thinks it's an idol because he's an experienced player.

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:22.399
<v Speaker 4>So but then again, I mean every season the idol

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:23.879
<v Speaker 4>looks a little bit different, so maybe he.

0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Thought that's that was that.

0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 1>But what do you think these discs mean? Like, what

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:29.439
<v Speaker 1>do you think that means in the game.

0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:32.280
<v Speaker 4>I think it's definitely a clue to a next step,

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:35.840
<v Speaker 4>so it'll have a message in it somewhere. But you

0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:38.040
<v Speaker 4>just got to look and we haven't seen him do

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 4>that so far, so it'll be interesting to see.

0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 1>Well, the game requires having really strong relationships and alliances.

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that you didn't have that foundation to

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 1>back you?

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, I felt like I had zero relationships and alliances,

0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:55.040
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, it definitely felt like a lone wolf. As

0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 4>I've been saying, I had very i think surface level

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 4>alliances where you know, it was kind of like the

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:05.040
<v Speaker 4>people that was left out of the core bunch, the

0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:06.279
<v Speaker 4>core for I called them.

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:09.759
<v Speaker 1>Well, you said that you had a strong relationship with Brazier, Well,

0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 1>clearly not, because he.

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 4>Wrote my name down, so I maybe trusted him at

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 4>that point seventy percent.

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it kind of looked like, you know, the

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:20.759
<v Speaker 1>wrong alliances, you know, like I think if it was

0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:23.920
<v Speaker 1>for me, I'd be setting up foundations with the biggest

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:27.720
<v Speaker 1>scene stealing villains. I mean I would have gone straight

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:30.239
<v Speaker 1>for trying to set something up stronger with George, even

0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 1>though we did see George had your back, and maybe

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Shannie and maybe even Simon. I don't know. Do you

0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:38.239
<v Speaker 1>feel like you targeted the wrong people to set up

0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:38.840
<v Speaker 1>that foundation.

0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:42.800
<v Speaker 4>I definitely feel like I didn't make decisions quick enough. Actually,

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:45.440
<v Speaker 4>I kind of saw much of working with each of

0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:48.719
<v Speaker 4>the villains in different respects, But I definitely could have

0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:51.439
<v Speaker 4>appealed to Shannie for sure more. I think that's something

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:54.279
<v Speaker 4>that I could have tried. George and I actually had

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 4>a little bit of an instant connection from day one,

0:39:57.280 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 4>but I just didn't act quick enough to confirm that

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 4>we were in alliance. And then, you know, with the

0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:05.759
<v Speaker 4>secrets of events with Jackie, the poor Dole, the way

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 4>that she went out with Angelie wanted to keep her in.

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:11.960
<v Speaker 4>I personally wanted to keep her in against the rest

0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:16.560
<v Speaker 4>of the tribe. So it was kind of just survival. Yeah,

0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 4>to put it for better words.

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I think you did have all the right tools to be,

0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, a champion survivor player. You know, I felt

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:26.919
<v Speaker 1>that from the start. But you know, do you think

0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:29.279
<v Speaker 1>that other players, I mean, for you, you kind of

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 1>were saying, I'm going to take this day by day.

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, I saw that summer in the media this

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:35.040
<v Speaker 1>morning when I was, you know, before chatting to you,

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:37.040
<v Speaker 1>but like, I'm going to take it day by day.

0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:39.680
<v Speaker 1>And George also said, you know, things change on a dime.

0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 1>But don't you think that some of the other players

0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>had plans on plans on plans.

0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:48.879
<v Speaker 4>I think I think Seannie Simon Jordi, I think their

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 4>plan was to stick with getting rid of the newbies,

0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:55.400
<v Speaker 4>sorry from day one, so then it was just the

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:57.840
<v Speaker 4>returnings lefton and they would make it to merge that way.

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:00.800
<v Speaker 4>And then Liz just so happened to obviously being alliance

0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:03.480
<v Speaker 4>with Shanny really well, and so they took her on board.

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:05.759
<v Speaker 4>I think that was their plan. I mean it was

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 4>quite clear. But yeah, we were just losing numbers, and

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:11.680
<v Speaker 4>I would have loved to take a returning out before

0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:15.719
<v Speaker 4>any of the newbies kept going home, but yeah, didn't

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:16.480
<v Speaker 4>have the ammunition.

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:21.040
<v Speaker 1>What about you thinking about the disadvantage of these returning players.

0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, someone going in there as a returning player,

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:25.640
<v Speaker 1>they've walked the walk, they've talked the talk, and they've

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:29.920
<v Speaker 1>spent months or even years, some of them rethinking their gameplay.

0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Is it an unfair advantage for them to be in

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 1>there with newbies?

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:38.000
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely? I feel, you know, it's like going in with

0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 4>two opponents into a game. One knows all the rules

0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:44.560
<v Speaker 4>and the other nose half. However, in saying that, I

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:49.360
<v Speaker 4>don't think the newbies are completely without an advantage. I

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:51.920
<v Speaker 4>think they have with fresh new perspectives of not doing

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:55.520
<v Speaker 4>things always the way that they was done. So I

0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 4>think they yeah have fresh pair of eyes and they're

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 4>not so jaded with the SURVI again, if you know

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:01.120
<v Speaker 4>what I mean.

0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 1>You know there was some tension I felt between you

0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:07.279
<v Speaker 1>and Stevie that we saw, you know, over the first

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:09.319
<v Speaker 1>three episodes. Why do you think that tension was there?

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 4>I personally, from my side, I think because I kept

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:18.440
<v Speaker 4>seeing that Stevie was Simon's pyekick that really rubbed me

0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 4>the wrong way. And there was a couple of moments

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:23.200
<v Speaker 4>where I had conversations with people and Stevie would just

0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:25.439
<v Speaker 4>go up to Simon and tell him exactly what I said,

0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:30.200
<v Speaker 4>So that was just another cherry on top. And then

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:32.360
<v Speaker 4>it was just his attitude towards me. I don't know

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:35.040
<v Speaker 4>about you, but I very much disliked people telling me

0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:37.600
<v Speaker 4>how to feel, and I would never do that to somebody,

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 4>so that also rubbed me the wrong way.

0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't know. Was it jealousy that he was

0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:44.560
<v Speaker 1>talking to Simon or do you think that you were

0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:47.000
<v Speaker 1>just disappointed with the way in which he was treating

0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:47.640
<v Speaker 1>your friendship?

0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:51.560
<v Speaker 4>Not at all. I actually think it's due to the

0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:53.400
<v Speaker 4>fact that I wouldn't have been able to trust him

0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:57.080
<v Speaker 4>one percent. So I think from day one I just

0:42:57.080 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 4>didn't have that energy. I knew never to trust him,

0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 4>and he very much went into Simon's lap very quickly,

0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:05.120
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, it definitely wasn't jealous.

0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm I can be a jealous person, and I have

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:11.759
<v Speaker 1>to delete that about my personality. Like I've gotten to

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<v Speaker 1>that stage of my life where I have to reality

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:17.399
<v Speaker 1>check my jealousy because it's actually a really bad trait

0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:20.640
<v Speaker 1>of mine. So I can recognize that sometimes and other people.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I'm glad that it's not jealousy. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I've read that wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>Well down on the self awareness.

0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:28.440
<v Speaker 1>You went in wanting to make some big moves, and

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:31.240
<v Speaker 1>that was something that I read before the show even started.

0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 1>You know you've come out of the game a little

0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:35.279
<v Speaker 1>bit early, but I want to know what have we

0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:37.000
<v Speaker 1>missed out on? What sort of moves did you have

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<v Speaker 1>up your sleeve that you might have rolled out so much?

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<v Speaker 4>You're just going to have to get the survivor gods

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 4>to get me back on the game so you can

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<v Speaker 4>see what I can do.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to tell me in case they bring

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<v Speaker 1>you back.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what, There's also so many variables, so I

0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:55.480
<v Speaker 4>can tell you what I could do, but in that

0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:59.400
<v Speaker 4>particular moment, I probably do something completely opposite depending on

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:03.560
<v Speaker 4>what is happening so and who's around, where are my

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:05.920
<v Speaker 4>alliance is out, what's my goals and things like that,

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:09.000
<v Speaker 4>So there's so many different outcomes.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that you do things differently going into

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 1>the show? Like, I don't know what sort of training

0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:15.720
<v Speaker 1>you did or whether you could have done more or whatever,

0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:17.839
<v Speaker 1>But if they were to ask you to go back,

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<v Speaker 1>what sort of preparation would you do the next time around?

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<v Speaker 4>I definitely okay.

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<v Speaker 1>For me.

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<v Speaker 4>There is one thing that I realized about myself talking

0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:27.719
<v Speaker 4>about self awareness, is that in there I did let

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:29.759
<v Speaker 4>my pride and maybe my ego get in the way

0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:33.880
<v Speaker 4>a little bit so being a sacrificial lamb from the beginning,

0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 4>being a Ubie, as the Brittanny's called it. I didn't

0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:40.320
<v Speaker 4>let that get to me sometimes, so for instance, in challenges,

0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:44.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, when Simon was giving out roles and I

0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:48.520
<v Speaker 4>would just be one in the back, another little pawn.

0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:52.040
<v Speaker 4>That got to me a little bit every time. So

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<v Speaker 4>I think, I really, yeah, I need to pull back

0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:59.799
<v Speaker 4>my ego in the game. I need to make quick,

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:03.600
<v Speaker 4>good decisions, and I think I just need to relax

0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:05.320
<v Speaker 4>a little bit. I felt really tense. I felt like

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:07.319
<v Speaker 4>I lost my personality in there a little bit, which

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:09.920
<v Speaker 4>I thought going there would have been my main asset.

0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:14.960
<v Speaker 4>We all know that hindsight's bloody twenty twenty, but I

0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:17.520
<v Speaker 4>feel like hindsight's a little bit useless most of the

0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:19.880
<v Speaker 4>time because you know it's already happened.

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:23.480
<v Speaker 1>So George and Seannie, you know, making some really great television.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that are they who they are? Like

0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:28.439
<v Speaker 1>I said, there's such big characters for us to watch

0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:29.719
<v Speaker 1>on television.

0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 4>This is a very interesting question. I mean, I definitely

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:39.400
<v Speaker 4>think how they've been depicted are their survivor players. You know,

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 4>Seannie's very sweet, but she's also a huge lethal player,

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:45.800
<v Speaker 4>and you don't know what she's saying behind your back,

0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:48.399
<v Speaker 4>but towards your face she is the sweetest girl. She's

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:51.040
<v Speaker 4>the sweetest girl in real life, but as a player,

0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:58.560
<v Speaker 4>she can definitely switch between facades. George, Yeah, George is

0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:04.399
<v Speaker 4>a very emotional and dramatic player. I don't know if

0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 4>that's the right word that I would use, but you know,

0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:10.640
<v Speaker 4>he's very theatrical. He loves a moment, he loves a drama.

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:14.279
<v Speaker 4>But he is also very strategic and he knows how

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:16.480
<v Speaker 4>to play the survivor game. Look at him, find that idol.

0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:20.120
<v Speaker 4>He knew exactly where to look so which I was

0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:21.800
<v Speaker 4>struggling with in that forest.

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:24.920
<v Speaker 1>What's interesting to me about George is the ability to

0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:30.120
<v Speaker 1>stand in situations that are clearly very awkward. How awkward

0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:31.880
<v Speaker 1>were those moments in real life?

0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:37.480
<v Speaker 4>I was okay about it purely because you know what,

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:40.440
<v Speaker 4>I think that's actually an advantage of George, because he

0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:43.600
<v Speaker 4>gets into the end of the conversation, so he hears

0:46:43.600 --> 0:46:45.680
<v Speaker 4>a little bit and yeah, it is awkward, but he

0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:48.480
<v Speaker 4>also gets a little bit of intel and he starts

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:51.239
<v Speaker 4>to learn who were with whom and what they're kind

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:53.279
<v Speaker 4>of saying. Even though it's not the whole context, so

0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:55.160
<v Speaker 4>I think actually works out for him.

0:46:55.719 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Stevee. Stevie also said what are we doing wrong?

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:02.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, it was a really good point that he

0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:05.719
<v Speaker 1>brought up. And you know, going into you know the

0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:08.560
<v Speaker 1>next episode that we'll see next week, you know, four

0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:11.120
<v Speaker 1>people have gone from the villain tribe. I mean, if

0:47:11.120 --> 0:47:13.200
<v Speaker 1>we can look back and see what you guys have

0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 1>done wrong, what do you think that that is from

0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:16.040
<v Speaker 1>your perspective?

0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I definitely witness throughout the challenges, we just

0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:21.399
<v Speaker 4>weren't a team. If you look at the hero's team,

0:47:21.400 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 4>they actually work together to get through the challenges. But

0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:28.080
<v Speaker 4>for us, I think it's just getting through them to

0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:32.919
<v Speaker 4>get to the end and thinking individually rather than as

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:35.719
<v Speaker 4>one as a team. There's a huge difference. We know

0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:38.839
<v Speaker 4>that in any organization or any team sport, if you're

0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:43.360
<v Speaker 4>not collaborative, you won't win because it's a team sport.

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:45.280
<v Speaker 4>At the end of the day, it's a team sport

0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:47.920
<v Speaker 4>and it's individual. But you've got to make sure that

0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 4>you give the right balance to both of them when

0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:53.120
<v Speaker 4>the time's right, and in challenges, we really needed the

0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:53.640
<v Speaker 4>team work.

0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:55.839
<v Speaker 1>It'll be interesting to see how these teams are going

0:47:55.880 --> 0:48:00.080
<v Speaker 1>to disintegrate. I mean, Simon's playing quite similar to the

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:02.640
<v Speaker 1>first season he was in, and it seems like he

0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:05.360
<v Speaker 1>may not have learned as many lessons as what he

0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:08.359
<v Speaker 1>could have, while Jordi really has been learning from his

0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:11.239
<v Speaker 1>mistakes last time. And it's interesting to sort of see

0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:14.520
<v Speaker 1>their relationship evolving, but I kind of feel like that's

0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:18.040
<v Speaker 1>going to implode, and watching the Tribal Council last night,

0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:20.719
<v Speaker 1>I think that was the first sign that Jordie looked

0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:23.520
<v Speaker 1>at Simon and was like, this guy's will lose cannon.

0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:26.000
<v Speaker 1>What do you think is going to evolve from the

0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:27.399
<v Speaker 1>relationship between those two.

0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:31.640
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I agree with you, they've got a romance now,

0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:35.480
<v Speaker 4>but you know them two being very two different players

0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 4>in this season, I think that'll clash, and I don't

0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:42.400
<v Speaker 4>think Jordie will want to go down with Simon. I

0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:45.160
<v Speaker 4>think Jordie will go the complete opposite way and they'll

0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:46.040
<v Speaker 4>probably turn.

0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:48.160
<v Speaker 1>On each other sooner rather than later.

0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:50.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:53.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, depending on how the girls go, depending

0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:58.200
<v Speaker 4>on how good that George and Shoonni relationship is well.

0:48:58.400 --> 0:49:00.319
<v Speaker 1>Normally at this point, I ask people, what is it

0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:02.160
<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes question? But we don't want to peel

0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 1>the onion on Australian Survivor. We don't want to reveal

0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:08.040
<v Speaker 1>anything because it's just such a magic show. So instead

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:10.279
<v Speaker 1>I've just been asking people, you know, who their pick

0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:13.000
<v Speaker 1>is to win. So who do you think, Not what

0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:15.440
<v Speaker 1>you might know now, but when you, you know, walked

0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:18.160
<v Speaker 1>out and you put out your fire, put out your torch,

0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:20.120
<v Speaker 1>who did you think was possibly going to win this

0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:20.799
<v Speaker 1>at the end.

0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:26.279
<v Speaker 4>Definitely a villain. I don't see a hero winning unfortunately.

0:49:26.320 --> 0:49:29.280
<v Speaker 4>I think that's a little bit too boring, too traditional.

0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:31.760
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I do think Seannie has a huge chance.

0:49:31.920 --> 0:49:34.960
<v Speaker 4>She's played three times, she's the most experienced out of

0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:39.040
<v Speaker 4>all of them. She's been on the island or whichever

0:49:39.120 --> 0:49:43.239
<v Speaker 4>location for the longest. She's a fighter, so she has

0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 4>a huge chance.

0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:46.120
<v Speaker 1>And the other question I was going to ask you,

0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 1>because you mentioned this before, is if you came back

0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:51.320
<v Speaker 1>and they did another season of Survivor, what's the theme

0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:52.960
<v Speaker 1>that you think you would be brought back with.

0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:57.680
<v Speaker 4>That is a tough one and a good question. Maybe

0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:02.440
<v Speaker 4>something to do with vengeance, or maybe to do something

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:07.800
<v Speaker 4>with people who didn't get or who went home too early.

0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.959
<v Speaker 4>I'm very open to things, though, the more creative the better.

0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Just don't you love that this show is you know,

0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:17.920
<v Speaker 1>everyone that doesn't wants to go back, Like it's not

0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:19.840
<v Speaker 1>one of those shows where people go, oh god, I

0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:22.160
<v Speaker 1>wish I didn't do it, or regardless as to how

0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:24.879
<v Speaker 1>the cookie crumbles and then we have it, everyone would

0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:26.880
<v Speaker 1>love to come back. And I think that that's a

0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:28.680
<v Speaker 1>testament to the type of show that this is.

0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:32.120
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, I mean, it was so weird. I've been saying,

0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:33.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, I was like a little kid playing an

0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:37.680
<v Speaker 4>arcade game. Every time I lost. Well, when I lost,

0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:39.799
<v Speaker 4>I just wanted to put more coins in and play again.

0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:41.960
<v Speaker 4>But you can't do that with Survivor. You do that

0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:45.240
<v Speaker 4>with arcade games. But yeah, I definitely had that addiction

0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:47.280
<v Speaker 4>feel where I just wanted to play again.

0:50:48.160 --> 0:50:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Well, I love it and I'd look forward to watching you.

0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that you know, you were fantastic on the

0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:53.960
<v Speaker 1>show and you should be very proud of what you did.

0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:56.399
<v Speaker 1>So I thank you so much for joining me today

0:50:56.400 --> 0:50:57.080
<v Speaker 1>to chat about it.

0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:59.160
<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much for having me. Really enjoyed it.