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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Leah, Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, it is understood that that fifteen year old

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Speaker 1: your reaction upon hearing about this crash yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's clearly a terrible tragedy and loss of life, Katie,

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Speaker 3: if we can't deal with us offending and use crime,

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Speaker 3: all I can say is thank God, really that a family,

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Speaker 1: It is an incredibly, incredibly terrible situation. We've since learned

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Speaker 3: Well, I think a number of things have let these

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Speaker 3: We've got people being bailed only to go on and

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Speaker 1: I mean, I actually don't know how many times I've

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Speaker 3: Don't think last week's announcement was anything but a re

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Speaker 1: Well, I need to tell you Wash if what happened

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Speaker 1: and that is that twelve million.

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Speaker 3: Nothing. This government loves more Katie than having its cake

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Speaker 2: At stakes lea, what do you reckon should have happened

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Speaker 3: You've built your new facility or you've delivered your services.

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Speaker 3: The end, right, you think that's the end. Then something happens.

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Speaker 3: It becomes politically unpalatable for reasons out of your control,

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Speaker 3: It's unsustainable, it's not appropriate, and it's not the entity's fault.

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Speaker 3: This is a government's fault. The only person paying back

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Speaker 1: Suddenly ad just with that thunder for the regions, you

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Speaker 3: look like something it isn't. Ultimately, they gave away twelve million.

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Speaker 3: They now I want it back. They clearly can't get

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Speaker 3: it back, so they're trying to say, well, we'll split

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Speaker 3: the different six million egs and everyone walks away happy. Well,

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Speaker 3: we haven't hurt from Thoroughbred Racing yet, and I feel

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Speaker 3: very interested to know that I think is an alarm

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Speaker 3: bell in and of itself.

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Speaker 1: Well, I certainly am keen to hear from them. We

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Speaker 1: put in a request yesterday to speak to Thoroughbred Racing

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Speaker 1: INTA and also the Darwin Turf Club, but to no avail.

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Speaker 1: At this point in time, Leaf and Okiaro, we are

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Speaker 1: going to have to leave it there. Now.

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Speaker 2: Do you have COVID at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I've been at home for a week. I

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Speaker 3: come out, I think it's tomorrow lunchtime, but I'll make

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Speaker 3: sure I count the days properly. And yeah, so we've

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Speaker 3: been doing a lot of family bonding. It's lovely.

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Speaker 1: Well, Leah, I'm sure that you'll be glad to get

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Speaker 1: always appreciate your time, particularly having a chat with us

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Speaker 1: when you are crooks, so thanks very much for speaking

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 3: No crooked so good.

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Speaker 2: Wait now my days excellent. Thank you very much