WEBVTT - BONUS: Roofman 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:07.920 I'd like to start today's episode by acknowledging the fact 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:08.800 that we both have. 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:11.280 We each have beautiful men on our T shirts. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:11.920 That's correct. 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.000 I have one Michael Scott. 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.560 Yes, so a Christmas present you got me, Sammy is 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.239 a picture of Michael Scott holding his World's Best Boss 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:25.040 Mark Yep, and it says I'm not superstitious, but I'm 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:25.720 a little. 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.840 Stitious and I love it. So I'm wearing it. And 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:30.240 then can you talk me through your T shirt? 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:34.040 I'm wearing Dave Warnikee, who's a wonderful comedian, wonderful podcast 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:40.040 a wonderful author, wonderful comedian, wonder actor, friend, lover. But 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:44.400 Dave Warnikee husband, our father, all of those, all. 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.680 Of those to you, to me personally, you know him intimately. 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.760 Very intimately. But yeah, I've got his bachelor T shirt 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:52.919 that everyone gave out on his day when he had 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:56.520 his bachelor party where we went to play Mario Kart 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.360 in a cinema. Ah, yeah, we played Mario Kart in 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:01.840 the cinema. Then we went to a Text Mex restaurant, 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.120 we did all day's favorite things, and we went for 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.160 a drink at a rooftop bar and then we went 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:09.360 to watch Murraywiggle play in his concert. 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.240 And you were all wearing those T shirts, were all 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:12.840 wearing this. And how many years ago is that? 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:15.640 It was about four or five years ago. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.440 Now do you think anyone else from that bachelor party 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:19.479 has ever worn the T shirt? 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:19.680 Again? 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.040 I don't think so. I send it to Dave quite frequently. 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.919 And how often do you wear how often I see you? 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.119 You'd wear that at least once a month? 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.920 Yeah, I reckon you can. I always take a photo 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:32.240 of it when I'm wearing it and send it to him. 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:34.800 He loves it. I think I've never asked. You're ready 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:35.040 for this? 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:35.559 Yes? 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:40.039 Lee Wayne Scott ended a twenty year marriage and was 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:43.880 now a single mum. In two thousand and four, the 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:47.400 perfect man turned up to a church, the kind of 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:52.120 guy every girl would want. Soon they were dating, he 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.760 would constantly bring toys for her kids. But in January 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.280 two thousand and five, Lee was at work when a 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:03.400 police officer arrived at her work with a photograph. The 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.960 man who was in the photograph was the man that 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:11.000 she'd been dating. She said, that's John, But it wasn't John, 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:15.440 Oh No, his real name was Jeffrey Manchester, an escaped 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.400 convict who'd been living in a nearby toys r us 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:21.480 for the last six months. This g Love is a 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:22.880 story of the roof Man. 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.680 Oh my God, It's got everything, everything, toys, It's got 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.600 people called being divorced, correct, everything. 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:35.960 Everything you'd ever want. Merry Christmas. G Love. Jeffrey Allen 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:41.000 Manchester aka the roof Man, was born in Sacramento, California, 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:46.360 in nineteen seventy one. He's a typical Californian upbringing, nice weather. 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:48.920 He was always at the beach. He attended high school 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.880 and then enlisted in the military. No I know. I 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:55.239 said that about a typical Californian lifestyle, and he started 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.320 really high in the Have you seen my favorite TV 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:00.840 shot all time? Frontline? 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:02.560 Have I seen Frontline? 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.720 I studied journalism, mate, that was that was my way 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:08.200 of study, Like that was my study. 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:08.840 That was my bible. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.200 There's an episode of Frontline to Frontline for people who 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.239 don't know what's a current of freer current of Fred 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:15.120 We're doing well today, It's a current. I've had a 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:19.239 whiskey sow a current affair style show. It's like a 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:23.840 mock sitcom, a sitcom based on current affair and especially 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.240 like you know news reporters in the nineties, and there 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.480 is one episode where he would just read anything off 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:34.080 the auto que yeah, very very well before and he 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.960 starts really high and he's going and of course today 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:40.480 three bodies were found. So good. 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:42.440 I love when I love. 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:46.160 We should find some clips of like examples of this 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:50.120 when news readers will be responding to like the end 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.720 of a story, having a bit of bandtru with their 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:54.800 co host and then they go to the auto Q 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.119 and realize it's really sad happened. Like they go from going, ah, 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:01.640 was a wonderfullyst What a celebration was it for? 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:03.000 People were killed last night? 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:04.080 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:06.280 Let's find some examples of them. I think. 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:08.560 So so. 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.840 Jeffrey attended high school and then enlisted in the enlisted 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.720 in the military, he learned all the skills he needed, 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.440 including jumping from great heights, handling weapons, all the things 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.799 that were very familiar with in the military today. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:22.279 I feel like this is foreshadowing. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.159 Jumping from great heights is not what I would usually 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.200 put on the top of the list of things that 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:28.280 I learned in the military. 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.440 Just you. At the age of twenty, he got married 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:35.039 and started a family. He had twin sons and a daughter. 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:39.560 In the nineteen nineties, he traveled throughout the States, deployed 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:43.479 to several locations over that time. In nineteen ninety nine, 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.520 he and his family moved into military housing. The marriage 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:51.080 deteriorated over time, and around this time police were dispatched 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:55.640 for a domestic dispute. They soon divorced and she got 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:56.960 custody of the kids. 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.719 Wow, whatever the dispute was was enough for her to 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:01.680 get your custody. 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:06.880 Absolutely, Now, this is what Jeffrey was accused of at 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:12.000 the time. Over seven months, Jeffrey robbed over forty restaurants, oh, 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.600 most of the McDonald's, for a total of seven hundred 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.960 thousand dollars. What he was the real life hamburglar. Oh, 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.360 very good, now, Jeffrey, I don't like that hamburg. 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:24.960 I don't like that hamburglar. Hey, you know what I 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.159 do like Grimmins Hamburgers. Oh yes, And. 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.680 Now Jeffrey got better and better as time went on 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.560 at robbing these McDonald's. He had some problems early on. 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.960 One time he didn't know that the McDonalds was closed 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.520 for Thanksgiving and there's no money. But he eventually got 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.200 better and better with what he was doing. Armed with 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.200 a gun and a drill and power tools, he would 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.080 go on the roof before the store opened. He would 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.720 then hide in the bathroom until the store opened, and 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.720 at the perfect moment, reveal himself with a gun and 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.800 hold up the restaurants. He would then politely ask the 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.880 manager to open the safe and the registers. He would 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.240 then direct all of the customers and employees in the 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.320 freezer to get them away, but he would always give 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.360 them a jacket first, because he was very cold in there. 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.080 Oh my god. He would then lock the freezer and 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.880 leave lock them in there well. On a few occasions 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:19.760 it would be known that he would fire a few 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.080 warning shots if people weren't listening to him, but he 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.279 was always very nice. He would then call the police 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.000 as soon as he left and tell them that the 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:26.960 hostages were in the freezer. 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:28.560 Please let them out so they wouldn't freeze it. 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.960 That's right, people all locked away. He would raid any 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:36.440 more registers and in the restaurant, and as he was leaving, 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:38.240 he would then call the police and tell them about 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:39.920 the people in the freezer so that they would come 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.919 and rescue them. Right, away. He primarily targeted restaurants in 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:47.040 northern California, but he wasn't so. 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.960 He wouldn't be caught and labeled a cold blooded killer 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:54.760 because if they died, they would have had cold blood. 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.360 Sure. Oh my god, that took me a second yet 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.080 to explain it, but I really enjoyed it. 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:00.159 Thank you. 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:07.120 Edit this in here. That's also a reference from Frontline. 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:13.080 Edited here. That's him in a promotional video trying to 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.200 pretend he knows what he's doing, and he goes edited here. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:20.560 He's pointing at a notepack in northern California, but also Nevada, Oregon, 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:21.920 and Massachusetts. 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:23.320 It's fun to say, isn't it. 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:27.320 It's fun. He did have a coast to coast reputation though, 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.480 as the most courteous thief in the nation. 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:31.760 I mean, if you have, if you're going to be 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:33.440 not have to. He didn't have to be known as 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.440 a thief. He could have just not thieved. But if 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:37.800 you're going to be known as a thief, I suppose 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:39.560 that's a nice one to be known as. 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:45.960 He was very polite. He was always apologizing. Would you 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.680 He would always say, would you please, ma'am, get on 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:52.520 the ground McDonald's at the time had a ten thousand 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.320 dollars reward for his capture. He was a smooth operator, 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.840 but there were a few close calls. One time he 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.600 out the back door as police were coming through the 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.040 front door. There was another time where McDonald's employee attacked 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.600 him with a bucket, but it didn't go very well. 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.800 Jeffrey piss pistol whipped him to defend him. 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:13.120 Oh my god. 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:17.120 Detectives knew he was military trained because he could hit 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.600 the floor from the ceiling and not miss a beat. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.400 So he dropped right down from the ceiling, so they 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:23.920 were like, oh my god, here, he knows what he's 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:27.080 doing here. He was cool, calm and collected, and yes, 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:31.600 very polite. He could move really fast and without much sound. 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:36.240 In May two thousand, Jeffrey went to North Carolina. He 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.800 wasted little to no time getting to work. On May twentieth, 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.640 he literally dropped into McDonald's in North Carolina, Like what 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.040 I did there, North Carolina? I'm just giving myself power. 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.760 That had just closed for the night. He crept into 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:52.360 the restroom as he always did, and stayed quietly. The 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.880 manager was checking the bathroom when he noticed there was 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:59.120 something off, Jeffrey appeared and moved everyone into the back 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:03.320 of the rest There he had all the employers lie 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.880 on their stomachs. The manager was ordered to get the 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.360 money from the safe and then leave everyone else in 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.800 the freezer. He got in his car with one five 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:17.080 hundred dollars. Five hours later, he targeted another McDonald's, so 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.160 he wasn't obviously happy with how much money he had 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.800 about to open, but this McDonald's was in Belmont, California, 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:26.920 and this is where his luck finally ran out. He 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.040 climbed the roof as usual, about to cut the hole 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.360 using a raisor knife and then a power drill. It 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:36.000 took about forty minutes to get into the restaurant. Dropping down, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.120 he waited in his hiding spot for them to open 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.880 the store. Then, once he thought it was the perfect time, 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:44.400 he went about his normal routine. He got the money 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.160 from the safe, then back in, then everyone in the freezer. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.760 He had almost seven thousand dollars, this time from one 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.840 store in one store, as always. The manager later said 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:56.000 that he was very polite and was apologizing for what 0:09:56.160 --> 0:10:00.240 he was doing. While his routine didn't change, societ he 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:04.560 had it. This time, there were now silent alarms in 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.439 the first door. They didn't have one, but this one did. 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:11.400 An employee had actually set it off. There was a 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:15.720 suspicious car across the road at a local church. Jeffrey 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.240 tried to escape on foot, but police found him in 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:22.280 some tall grass. He was gracious when caught allegedly, saying, 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:24.400 you guys did a real good job today. 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.600 Oh my god, it's a bit hard not to like this. 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.760 Yeah. Well, there's actually a film about it with Channing 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:32.840 Tatum who played No. Yeah. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:34.080 Oh, now I know he's hot. 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:38.319 He's a good looking guy. In court, they threw the 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:39.040 book at him. 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.400 Not literally, that would be very rude. 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.680 He didn't confess to any other of the roofman crimes. 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.760 He admitted to the two in North Carolina that one night, 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:50.680 but kind of said there was a copycat involved in 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:51.240 the others. 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:52.959 I mean smart defense, it's very smart. 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.000 Yeah. He told them that he had heard about the 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.840 roofman robberies and thought it sounded like a really good idea. 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:02.760 So he was saying he was the ki heard about it. Ah, clever, 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:04.040 that's a smart defense. 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.760 By this point, he had robbed forty restaurants who he 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:11.280 was held on a one million dollar bond. He was 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.880 sentenced to a medium security prison. The sentence was forty 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.640 five years. Oh my god, in prison for the two 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.920 McDonald's in California. What hang on, I guess because it's 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:21.680 armed robbery. 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:24.520 That's a severe sentence. 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.880 Though if you polite, I think there's the thing. 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:31.040 I'm obviously the way you've told this is making me go, 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.240 oh yeah, nice about it. 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.520 He got caught whatever, But she loved your going it's 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:36.520 just the end of the story. 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:38.840 Well no, I'm not, because you started it. We're talking 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:39.760 about my good friend Lee. 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.960 Yes, but also the toys are don't forget. 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:44.319 The toys, whether the toys are ours. 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.600 The sentence was so harsh because of the added kidnapping charges, 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.520 where he had taken McDonald's employees to a freezer. 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:55.440 Oh yeah, of course, it's it's armed robbery, and it's 0:11:55.559 --> 0:12:00.199 probably breaking enter, that's right, and kidnapping times. However, many 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:02.800 people were in the freezer any times. It wouldn't be 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.679 just one charge of like one count of kidnapping. If 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.120 there were eight employees all in there, that'll be eight 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:09.120 counts of kidnapping. 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.480 And the greatest charge of all not loving it. 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.440 Ah, you just winked at the camera. 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:15.400 That was so gross. 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.120 That was fun. It would be a great clip. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.880 It will be a great clip. Didn't make it. Edit 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:24.040 it here and then use the bit of me going. 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:25.160 I hated that. 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.560 Jeffrey was now thirty three years old. Oh gosh, he 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:34.800 played the perfect person inside. For the first four years 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:36.040 he was a model prisoner. 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:37.360 Well, yeah, if he looked like. 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:47.839 Person that takes it too far, well it's like an ambulance. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.360 For the first four years he was a model prisoner. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.160 He got access to a metal plant where inmates made 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:56.840 bad frames and jungle gyms for the outside. Well, he 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.880 also paid very close attention to his surroundings and all 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:01.040 of the guards. 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.160 Oh, he goes escape. 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.880 In June two thousand and four, after less than four 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.600 years in prison, he enacted his plan. He had crafted 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.120 an escape patch made out of a piece of plywood 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.440 that would fit on the undercarriage of a delivery truck 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.840 that would leave the facility. He painted a piece of 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.360 cardboard black and held magnets to attach it so the 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:26.040 entire structure would appear invisible to any security guards who 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:30.280 were checking underneath the vehicle before it left. Really clever. 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.720 At three point thirty pm that day, the delivery truck 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:37.120 left the metal plant with Jeffrey underneath. He was actually 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:38.160 hanging underneath. 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:41.200 Oh that's amazing. Whenever, Sorry, that's just made me think. 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.640 I my family went on a holiday to Bali only 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:50.120 like not even a year after the Bali body eighty 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:54.280 eight people, and like we went there in a family holiday. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:58.760 I remember my mom saying I remember my mom saying 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.000 it at the time. You know, if anything were to happen, 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.120 we're together as a family, it's probably the safest time 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.600 to go because security is heightened and every blah. 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.320 Yeah, yeah, I am. 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.719 When we went to like check into the hotel, the 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.319 car that had driven us from the airport into the hotel, 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.200 they then had security at all the gates that had 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:23.360 mirrors on long like long sticks that have mirrors. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:24.240 So they checked. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.400 And so they were like doing these mirror things, and 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.440 I just remember so clearly that the taxi driver turned 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.280 to us and go they checked for the bomb, check 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:33.760 for the bomb. 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:37.360 And it was just so cute how he said it, like, Oh, 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:38.240 don't worry about it. 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:39.360 They're just checking for bomb. 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.240 Checked for the bomb, checked for the bomb. Is what 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:42.760 I'm thinking. 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.360 They should have done in this case is the prison 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.080 guard should have chock for a bomb, checkedoot bob. 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.480 Thanks alive. He'd intentionally chosen a rainy day, so his 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:52.800 tracks and scent were hard to be tracked. 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:54.720 There were no We didn't there were no bombs on 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:55.800 our holiday. We were fine. 0:14:56.120 --> 0:15:00.240 Correct. He was the first prisoner to ever escape Brown 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:05.480 Creek Brown Creek Recreational Institution. He was expecting the truck 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:09.040 to whisk him far, far away. But it's not barely 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:13.480 outside the prison walls. Why well stay? He just stopped there. Yeah, 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:17.040 so he was like, oh shit, sneaking away as quietly 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.960 as he could. He hitchhiked about fifty miles in Charlotte. 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:25.960 He reinvented himself. Oh Locky Charlotte. His name was now 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:31.680 John Zoran, a generous volunteer at Crossroads Presbyterian Church and 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.280 working a very secret and confidential job with the government. 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:38.960 So how he introduced himself. Oh, he had some cosmetic 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.440 work done to improve and somewhat disguise his appearance. 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.120 It's very funny to say improved. No, you're trying to 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.000 change the way it looks because you're a firlot. 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:50.600 It's like when people say they get a nose job 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:54.040 for a deviated Yeah. 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.080 Now, once the police found out he escaped, they assumed 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.280 he'd be heading back to Sacramento, but he didn't. He 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.720 stayed in the state. He found the perfect hiding spot 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.120 at Toys Us. It was a store. 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:11.360 You say that like it's a known thing that you 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:12.920 just pretended to be a cabbage patch kid. 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.760 The store had everything you needed. He had snacks and 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.200 baby food, bikes to ride at night for exercise, and 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.640 remote control cars to drive around the roof when he 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:23.080 was bored. 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:24.880 Ah. 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.480 There were also there was also an abandoned Circuit City store, 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.680 which is an electronic store next door, which served as 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.040 a perfect hideout during the days when it was open. 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:35.160 He could hide out next door. 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:36.960 Why didn't need to hide out there? Wasn't he going 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:37.800 to work at the church? 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:40.840 Oh? But not always? So it's like, yeah, during the 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:47.040 day when it was that's right. Yeah. He even set 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.040 up baby monitors to watch the employees come. 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.000 And go, oh my god, that's weird. 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:54.680 Did he know that they were coming so he could 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:59.440 was like, he's warning. Did he get out? But he's 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.920 why weren't his antics Caught on camera in two thousand 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.000 and four, Will he worked out a way to cut 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.600 the cameras at night and restore them the next morning. 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:08.320 Oh my god. 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.760 By then he was snuggled back at Circuit City to sleep. 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.919 He had built a tunnel from Toys R. Rush to 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.080 Circuit City. What Then he used a board which he 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.040 painted to match the wall, with a bungee cord to 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.320 hold it shut to make a door into the tunnel. 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.240 Then he used merch from Toys r. Russ, a beard 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.640 made out of Spider Man sheets and lots of other 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.800 bits and pieces to make his DIY homes. We had 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:36.320 like soft toy bears to sleep on, and he made 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:37.320 it very comfortable for himself. 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:38.000 Has gone. 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.720 Yes, he also installed a smoke detector and alarm in 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.640 his home. It out, Oh my god. After a few 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:48.400 months of smooth sailing, he started venturing out into the world. 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.920 This is where he started attending a Presbyterian church. This 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.560 is where he met Lee Wayne Scott and they hit 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:55.880 it off right away. 0:17:56.080 --> 0:18:00.920 So he was surviving as in like by e yep, 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:02.480 he's literally surviving. 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.679 We're eating baby food that they sold it toys r. 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.120 That's right, Yeah, candy and that sort of stuff. Yeah, 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.000 Oh my god. He totally worked for the government in 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:13.879 a very secret job. He couldn't tell her specifically what 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.600 he did, and when she asked to see his place, 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.119 he'd say it was just a government building, like a 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.160 really sterile environment. You wouldn't want to see it. 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:25.520 It's quite a funny and clever way to hide that 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.439 you don't have a job, like rather than making up 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:30.360 a job and then hoping they're never asked to come 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:33.160 to your office or anything, He's just saying, I work 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:34.879 for the government and my job is secret, so I 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:35.600 can't tell you. 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.720 That's actually really smart because people that will just. 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.680 Go, oh, okay, well we'll talking about the job. 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:44.040 Just say I can't tell you I am in the CIA. 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.159 If I told you, I'd have to kill you. 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.639 WHOA stop winking at the camera. 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:55.280 Jeffrey helped with Wednesday night Bible study, frequented a local 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.200 gym and went to the dentist regularly. 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.520 Because of all the candy. 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.040 Right he gave his past to the first few seasons 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:07.639 of Signel a gift did he stop? 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:09.880 Probably from the electronics store, I would think. 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:19.240 Shut down, I'm sure, but like the circuit city was abandoned. Oh. 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.600 Charlotte police captain later said I bet he spoke to 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.800 everyone within a mile of the place the church. It's 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:28.840 like everyone knew him as a lovely guy. 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:31.560 And why would you ever think this guy doesn't have 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:32.000 a home? 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:36.919 No, and he's so often because he only it's candy. 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.960 And yeah, well the dentist's come back. I didn't mention 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:40.400 the dentis for a reason. 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.240 Okay, I mean I liked it anyway, just going put 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:43.679 on him for. 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:47.480