Speaker 1: I'd like to start today's episode by acknowledging the fact
Speaker 1: that we both have.
Speaker 2: We each have beautiful men on our T shirts.
Speaker 3: That's correct.
Speaker 2: I have one Michael Scott.
Speaker 1: Yes, so a Christmas present you got me, Sammy is
Speaker 1: a picture of Michael Scott holding his World's Best Boss
Speaker 1: Mark Yep, and it says I'm not superstitious, but I'm
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 2: Stitious and I love it. So I'm wearing it. And
Speaker 2: then can you talk me through your T shirt?
Speaker 3: I'm wearing Dave Warnikee, who's a wonderful comedian, wonderful podcast
Speaker 3: a wonderful author, wonderful comedian, wonder actor, friend, lover. But
Speaker 3: Dave Warnikee husband, our father, all of those, all.
Speaker 2: Of those to you, to me personally, you know him intimately.
Speaker 3: Very intimately. But yeah, I've got his bachelor T shirt
Speaker 3: that everyone gave out on his day when he had
Speaker 3: his bachelor party where we went to play Mario Kart
Speaker 3: in a cinema. Ah, yeah, we played Mario Kart in
Speaker 3: the cinema. Then we went to a Text Mex restaurant,
Speaker 3: we did all day's favorite things, and we went for
Speaker 3: a drink at a rooftop bar and then we went
Speaker 3: to watch Murraywiggle play in his concert.
Speaker 2: And you were all wearing those T shirts, were all
Speaker 2: wearing this. And how many years ago is that?
Speaker 3: It was about four or five years ago.
Speaker 1: Now do you think anyone else from that bachelor party
Speaker 1: has ever worn the T shirt?
Speaker 2: Again?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I send it to Dave quite frequently.
Speaker 2: And how often do you wear how often I see you?
Speaker 2: You'd wear that at least once a month?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I reckon you can. I always take a photo
Speaker 3: of it when I'm wearing it and send it to him.
Speaker 3: He loves it. I think I've never asked. You're ready
Speaker 3: for this?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Lee Wayne Scott ended a twenty year marriage and was
Speaker 3: now a single mum. In two thousand and four, the
Speaker 3: perfect man turned up to a church, the kind of
Speaker 3: guy every girl would want. Soon they were dating, he
Speaker 3: would constantly bring toys for her kids. But in January
Speaker 3: two thousand and five, Lee was at work when a
Speaker 3: police officer arrived at her work with a photograph. The
Speaker 3: man who was in the photograph was the man that
Speaker 3: she'd been dating. She said, that's John, But it wasn't John,
Speaker 3: Oh No, his real name was Jeffrey Manchester, an escaped
Speaker 3: convict who'd been living in a nearby toys r us
Speaker 3: for the last six months. This g Love is a
Speaker 3: story of the roof Man.
Speaker 1: Oh my God, It's got everything, everything, toys, It's got
Speaker 1: people called being divorced, correct, everything.
Speaker 3: Everything you'd ever want. Merry Christmas. G Love. Jeffrey Allen
Speaker 3: Manchester aka the roof Man, was born in Sacramento, California,
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy one. He's a typical Californian upbringing, nice weather.
Speaker 3: He was always at the beach. He attended high school
Speaker 3: and then enlisted in the military. No I know. I
Speaker 3: said that about a typical Californian lifestyle, and he started
Speaker 3: really high in the Have you seen my favorite TV
Speaker 3: shot all time? Frontline?
Speaker 2: Have I seen Frontline?
Speaker 1: I studied journalism, mate, that was that was my way
Speaker 1: of study, Like that was my study.
Speaker 2: That was my bible.
Speaker 3: There's an episode of Frontline to Frontline for people who
Speaker 3: don't know what's a current of freer current of Fred
Speaker 3: We're doing well today, It's a current. I've had a
Speaker 3: whiskey sow a current affair style show. It's like a
Speaker 3: mock sitcom, a sitcom based on current affair and especially
Speaker 3: like you know news reporters in the nineties, and there
Speaker 3: is one episode where he would just read anything off
Speaker 3: the auto que yeah, very very well before and he
Speaker 3: starts really high and he's going and of course today
Speaker 3: three bodies were found. So good.
Speaker 2: I love when I love.
Speaker 1: We should find some clips of like examples of this
Speaker 1: when news readers will be responding to like the end
Speaker 1: of a story, having a bit of bandtru with their
Speaker 1: co host and then they go to the auto Q
Speaker 1: and realize it's really sad happened. Like they go from going, ah,
Speaker 1: was a wonderfullyst What a celebration was it for?
Speaker 2: People were killed last night?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Let's find some examples of them. I think.
Speaker 4: So so.
Speaker 3: Jeffrey attended high school and then enlisted in the enlisted
Speaker 3: in the military, he learned all the skills he needed,
Speaker 3: including jumping from great heights, handling weapons, all the things
Speaker 3: that were very familiar with in the military today.
Speaker 2: I feel like this is foreshadowing.
Speaker 1: Jumping from great heights is not what I would usually
Speaker 1: put on the top of the list of things that
Speaker 1: I learned in the military.
Speaker 3: Just you. At the age of twenty, he got married
Speaker 3: and started a family. He had twin sons and a daughter.
Speaker 3: In the nineteen nineties, he traveled throughout the States, deployed
Speaker 3: to several locations over that time. In nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 3: he and his family moved into military housing. The marriage
Speaker 3: deteriorated over time, and around this time police were dispatched
Speaker 3: for a domestic dispute. They soon divorced and she got
Speaker 3: custody of the kids.
Speaker 1: Wow, whatever the dispute was was enough for her to
Speaker 1: get your custody.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Now, this is what Jeffrey was accused of at
Speaker 3: the time. Over seven months, Jeffrey robbed over forty restaurants, oh,
Speaker 3: most of the McDonald's, for a total of seven hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. What he was the real life hamburglar. Oh,
Speaker 3: very good, now, Jeffrey, I don't like that hamburg.
Speaker 2: I don't like that hamburglar. Hey, you know what I
Speaker 2: do like Grimmins Hamburgers. Oh yes, And.
Speaker 3: Now Jeffrey got better and better as time went on
Speaker 3: at robbing these McDonald's. He had some problems early on.
Speaker 3: One time he didn't know that the McDonalds was closed
Speaker 3: for Thanksgiving and there's no money. But he eventually got
Speaker 3: better and better with what he was doing. Armed with
Speaker 3: a gun and a drill and power tools, he would
Speaker 3: go on the roof before the store opened. He would
Speaker 3: then hide in the bathroom until the store opened, and
Speaker 3: at the perfect moment, reveal himself with a gun and
Speaker 3: hold up the restaurants. He would then politely ask the
Speaker 3: manager to open the safe and the registers. He would
Speaker 3: then direct all of the customers and employees in the
Speaker 3: freezer to get them away, but he would always give
Speaker 3: them a jacket first, because he was very cold in there.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. He would then lock the freezer and
Speaker 3: leave lock them in there well. On a few occasions
Speaker 3: it would be known that he would fire a few
Speaker 3: warning shots if people weren't listening to him, but he
Speaker 3: was always very nice. He would then call the police
Speaker 3: as soon as he left and tell them that the
Speaker 3: hostages were in the freezer.
Speaker 2: Please let them out so they wouldn't freeze it.
Speaker 3: That's right, people all locked away. He would raid any
Speaker 3: more registers and in the restaurant, and as he was leaving,
Speaker 3: he would then call the police and tell them about
Speaker 3: the people in the freezer so that they would come
Speaker 3: and rescue them. Right, away. He primarily targeted restaurants in
Speaker 3: northern California, but he wasn't so.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't be caught and labeled a cold blooded killer
Speaker 2: because if they died, they would have had cold blood.
Speaker 3: Sure. Oh my god, that took me a second yet
Speaker 3: to explain it, but I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Edit this in here. That's also a reference from Frontline.
Speaker 3: Edited here. That's him in a promotional video trying to
Speaker 3: pretend he knows what he's doing, and he goes edited here.
Speaker 3: He's pointing at a notepack in northern California, but also Nevada, Oregon,
Speaker 3: and Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: It's fun to say, isn't it.
Speaker 3: It's fun. He did have a coast to coast reputation though,
Speaker 3: as the most courteous thief in the nation.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you have, if you're going to be
Speaker 1: not have to. He didn't have to be known as
Speaker 1: a thief. He could have just not thieved. But if
Speaker 1: you're going to be known as a thief, I suppose
Speaker 1: that's a nice one to be known as.
Speaker 3: He was very polite. He was always apologizing. Would you
Speaker 3: He would always say, would you please, ma'am, get on
Speaker 3: the ground McDonald's at the time had a ten thousand
Speaker 3: dollars reward for his capture. He was a smooth operator,
Speaker 3: but there were a few close calls. One time he
Speaker 3: out the back door as police were coming through the
Speaker 3: front door. There was another time where McDonald's employee attacked
Speaker 3: him with a bucket, but it didn't go very well.
Speaker 3: Jeffrey piss pistol whipped him to defend him.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Detectives knew he was military trained because he could hit
Speaker 3: the floor from the ceiling and not miss a beat.
Speaker 3: So he dropped right down from the ceiling, so they
Speaker 3: were like, oh my god, here, he knows what he's
Speaker 3: doing here. He was cool, calm and collected, and yes,
Speaker 3: very polite. He could move really fast and without much sound.
Speaker 3: In May two thousand, Jeffrey went to North Carolina. He
Speaker 3: wasted little to no time getting to work. On May twentieth,
Speaker 3: he literally dropped into McDonald's in North Carolina, Like what
Speaker 3: I did there, North Carolina? I'm just giving myself power.
Speaker 3: That had just closed for the night. He crept into
Speaker 3: the restroom as he always did, and stayed quietly. The
Speaker 3: manager was checking the bathroom when he noticed there was
Speaker 3: something off, Jeffrey appeared and moved everyone into the back
Speaker 3: of the rest There he had all the employers lie
Speaker 3: on their stomachs. The manager was ordered to get the
Speaker 3: money from the safe and then leave everyone else in
Speaker 3: the freezer. He got in his car with one five
Speaker 3: hundred dollars. Five hours later, he targeted another McDonald's, so
Speaker 3: he wasn't obviously happy with how much money he had
Speaker 3: about to open, but this McDonald's was in Belmont, California,
Speaker 3: and this is where his luck finally ran out. He
Speaker 3: climbed the roof as usual, about to cut the hole
Speaker 3: using a raisor knife and then a power drill. It
Speaker 3: took about forty minutes to get into the restaurant. Dropping down,
Speaker 3: he waited in his hiding spot for them to open
Speaker 3: the store. Then, once he thought it was the perfect time,
Speaker 3: he went about his normal routine. He got the money
Speaker 3: from the safe, then back in, then everyone in the freezer.
Speaker 3: He had almost seven thousand dollars, this time from one
Speaker 3: store in one store, as always. The manager later said
Speaker 3: that he was very polite and was apologizing for what
Speaker 3: he was doing. While his routine didn't change, societ he
Speaker 3: had it. This time, there were now silent alarms in
Speaker 3: the first door. They didn't have one, but this one did.
Speaker 3: An employee had actually set it off. There was a
Speaker 3: suspicious car across the road at a local church. Jeffrey
Speaker 3: tried to escape on foot, but police found him in
Speaker 3: some tall grass. He was gracious when caught allegedly, saying,
Speaker 3: you guys did a real good job today.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's a bit hard not to like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, there's actually a film about it with Channing
Speaker 3: Tatum who played No. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, now I know he's hot.
Speaker 3: He's a good looking guy. In court, they threw the
Speaker 3: book at him.
Speaker 2: Not literally, that would be very rude.
Speaker 3: He didn't confess to any other of the roofman crimes.
Speaker 3: He admitted to the two in North Carolina that one night,
Speaker 3: but kind of said there was a copycat involved in
Speaker 3: the others.
Speaker 2: I mean smart defense, it's very smart.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He told them that he had heard about the
Speaker 3: roofman robberies and thought it sounded like a really good idea.
Speaker 2: So he was saying he was the ki heard about it. Ah, clever,
Speaker 2: that's a smart defense.
Speaker 3: By this point, he had robbed forty restaurants who he
Speaker 3: was held on a one million dollar bond. He was
Speaker 3: sentenced to a medium security prison. The sentence was forty
Speaker 3: five years. Oh my god, in prison for the two
Speaker 3: McDonald's in California. What hang on, I guess because it's
Speaker 3: armed robbery.
Speaker 2: That's a severe sentence.
Speaker 3: Though if you polite, I think there's the thing.
Speaker 2: I'm obviously the way you've told this is making me go,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, nice about it.
Speaker 3: He got caught whatever, But she loved your going it's
Speaker 3: just the end of the story.
Speaker 2: Well no, I'm not, because you started it. We're talking
Speaker 2: about my good friend Lee.
Speaker 3: Yes, but also the toys are don't forget.
Speaker 2: The toys, whether the toys are ours.
Speaker 3: The sentence was so harsh because of the added kidnapping charges,
Speaker 3: where he had taken McDonald's employees to a freezer.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course, it's it's armed robbery, and it's
Speaker 1: probably breaking enter, that's right, and kidnapping times. However, many
Speaker 1: people were in the freezer any times. It wouldn't be
Speaker 1: just one charge of like one count of kidnapping. If
Speaker 1: there were eight employees all in there, that'll be eight
Speaker 1: counts of kidnapping.
Speaker 3: And the greatest charge of all not loving it.
Speaker 1: Ah, you just winked at the camera.
Speaker 2: That was so gross.
Speaker 3: That was fun. It would be a great clip.
Speaker 2: It will be a great clip. Didn't make it. Edit
Speaker 2: it here and then use the bit of me going.
Speaker 2: I hated that.
Speaker 3: Jeffrey was now thirty three years old. Oh gosh, he
Speaker 3: played the perfect person inside. For the first four years
Speaker 3: he was a model prisoner.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, if he looked like.
Speaker 3: Person that takes it too far, well it's like an ambulance.
Speaker 3: For the first four years he was a model prisoner.
Speaker 3: He got access to a metal plant where inmates made
Speaker 3: bad frames and jungle gyms for the outside. Well, he
Speaker 3: also paid very close attention to his surroundings and all
Speaker 3: of the guards.
Speaker 2: Oh, he goes escape.
Speaker 3: In June two thousand and four, after less than four
Speaker 3: years in prison, he enacted his plan. He had crafted
Speaker 3: an escape patch made out of a piece of plywood
Speaker 3: that would fit on the undercarriage of a delivery truck
Speaker 3: that would leave the facility. He painted a piece of
Speaker 3: cardboard black and held magnets to attach it so the
Speaker 3: entire structure would appear invisible to any security guards who
Speaker 3: were checking underneath the vehicle before it left. Really clever.
Speaker 3: At three point thirty pm that day, the delivery truck
Speaker 3: left the metal plant with Jeffrey underneath. He was actually
Speaker 3: hanging underneath.
Speaker 2: Oh that's amazing. Whenever, Sorry, that's just made me think.
Speaker 1: I my family went on a holiday to Bali only
Speaker 1: like not even a year after the Bali body eighty
Speaker 1: eight people, and like we went there in a family holiday.
Speaker 1: I remember my mom saying I remember my mom saying
Speaker 1: it at the time. You know, if anything were to happen,
Speaker 1: we're together as a family, it's probably the safest time
Speaker 1: to go because security is heightened and every blah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I am.
Speaker 1: When we went to like check into the hotel, the
Speaker 1: car that had driven us from the airport into the hotel,
Speaker 1: they then had security at all the gates that had
Speaker 1: mirrors on long like long sticks that have mirrors.
Speaker 3: So they checked.
Speaker 1: And so they were like doing these mirror things, and
Speaker 1: I just remember so clearly that the taxi driver turned
Speaker 1: to us and go they checked for the bomb, check
Speaker 1: for the bomb.
Speaker 2: And it was just so cute how he said it, like, Oh,
Speaker 2: don't worry about it.
Speaker 3: They're just checking for bomb.
Speaker 2: Checked for the bomb, checked for the bomb. Is what
Speaker 2: I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: They should have done in this case is the prison
Speaker 1: guard should have chock for a bomb, checkedoot bob.
Speaker 3: Thanks alive. He'd intentionally chosen a rainy day, so his
Speaker 3: tracks and scent were hard to be tracked.
Speaker 2: There were no We didn't there were no bombs on
Speaker 2: our holiday. We were fine.
Speaker 3: Correct. He was the first prisoner to ever escape Brown
Speaker 3: Creek Brown Creek Recreational Institution. He was expecting the truck
Speaker 3: to whisk him far, far away. But it's not barely
Speaker 3: outside the prison walls. Why well stay? He just stopped there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so he was like, oh shit, sneaking away as quietly
Speaker 3: as he could. He hitchhiked about fifty miles in Charlotte.
Speaker 3: He reinvented himself. Oh Locky Charlotte. His name was now
Speaker 3: John Zoran, a generous volunteer at Crossroads Presbyterian Church and
Speaker 3: working a very secret and confidential job with the government.
Speaker 3: So how he introduced himself. Oh, he had some cosmetic
Speaker 3: work done to improve and somewhat disguise his appearance.
Speaker 2: It's very funny to say improved. No, you're trying to
Speaker 2: change the way it looks because you're a firlot.
Speaker 1: It's like when people say they get a nose job
Speaker 1: for a deviated Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, once the police found out he escaped, they assumed
Speaker 3: he'd be heading back to Sacramento, but he didn't. He
Speaker 3: stayed in the state. He found the perfect hiding spot
Speaker 3: at Toys Us. It was a store.
Speaker 2: You say that like it's a known thing that you
Speaker 2: just pretended to be a cabbage patch kid.
Speaker 3: The store had everything you needed. He had snacks and
Speaker 3: baby food, bikes to ride at night for exercise, and
Speaker 3: remote control cars to drive around the roof when he
Speaker 3: was bored.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 3: There were also there was also an abandoned Circuit City store,
Speaker 3: which is an electronic store next door, which served as
Speaker 3: a perfect hideout during the days when it was open.
Speaker 3: He could hide out next door.
Speaker 2: Why didn't need to hide out there? Wasn't he going
Speaker 2: to work at the church?
Speaker 3: Oh? But not always? So it's like, yeah, during the
Speaker 3: day when it was that's right. Yeah. He even set
Speaker 3: up baby monitors to watch the employees come.
Speaker 2: And go, oh my god, that's weird.
Speaker 3: Did he know that they were coming so he could
Speaker 3: was like, he's warning. Did he get out? But he's
Speaker 3: why weren't his antics Caught on camera in two thousand
Speaker 3: and four, Will he worked out a way to cut
Speaker 3: the cameras at night and restore them the next morning.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: By then he was snuggled back at Circuit City to sleep.
Speaker 3: He had built a tunnel from Toys R. Rush to
Speaker 3: Circuit City. What Then he used a board which he
Speaker 3: painted to match the wall, with a bungee cord to
Speaker 3: hold it shut to make a door into the tunnel.
Speaker 3: Then he used merch from Toys r. Russ, a beard
Speaker 3: made out of Spider Man sheets and lots of other
Speaker 3: bits and pieces to make his DIY homes. We had
Speaker 3: like soft toy bears to sleep on, and he made
Speaker 3: it very comfortable for himself.
Speaker 2: Has gone.
Speaker 3: Yes, he also installed a smoke detector and alarm in
Speaker 3: his home. It out, Oh my god. After a few
Speaker 3: months of smooth sailing, he started venturing out into the world.
Speaker 3: This is where he started attending a Presbyterian church. This
Speaker 3: is where he met Lee Wayne Scott and they hit
Speaker 3: it off right away.
Speaker 1: So he was surviving as in like by e yep,
Speaker 1: he's literally surviving.
Speaker 2: We're eating baby food that they sold it toys r.
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, candy and that sort of stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Oh my god. He totally worked for the government in
Speaker 3: a very secret job. He couldn't tell her specifically what
Speaker 3: he did, and when she asked to see his place,
Speaker 3: he'd say it was just a government building, like a
Speaker 3: really sterile environment. You wouldn't want to see it.
Speaker 1: It's quite a funny and clever way to hide that
Speaker 1: you don't have a job, like rather than making up
Speaker 1: a job and then hoping they're never asked to come
Speaker 1: to your office or anything, He's just saying, I work
Speaker 1: for the government and my job is secret, so I
Speaker 1: can't tell you.
Speaker 2: That's actually really smart because people that will just.
Speaker 3: Go, oh, okay, well we'll talking about the job.
Speaker 2: Just say I can't tell you I am in the CIA.
Speaker 3: If I told you, I'd have to kill you.
Speaker 2: WHOA stop winking at the camera.
Speaker 3: Jeffrey helped with Wednesday night Bible study, frequented a local
Speaker 3: gym and went to the dentist regularly.
Speaker 2: Because of all the candy.
Speaker 3: Right he gave his past to the first few seasons
Speaker 3: of Signel a gift did he stop?
Speaker 2: Probably from the electronics store, I would think.
Speaker 3: Shut down, I'm sure, but like the circuit city was abandoned. Oh.
Speaker 3: Charlotte police captain later said I bet he spoke to
Speaker 3: everyone within a mile of the place the church. It's
Speaker 3: like everyone knew him as a lovely guy.
Speaker 2: And why would you ever think this guy doesn't have
Speaker 2: a home?
Speaker 1: No, and he's so often because he only it's candy.
Speaker 3: And yeah, well the dentist's come back. I didn't mention
Speaker 3: the dentis for a reason.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I liked it anyway, just going put
Speaker 2: on him for.
Speaker 3: Did you say flat bit of flow?
Speaker 2: Never sail again? That stop winking.
Speaker 3: I feel like the guy who writes our themes on
Speaker 3: Oliver Clark every time, because he would always I fel
Speaker 3: that he would be a big winker at the camera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be. He's just got the energy of.
Speaker 3: He's got the energy of a winker. I love he
Speaker 3: does a feel on stage. But I think he's one
Speaker 3: of the funniest things ever. It's called the double take,
Speaker 3: where you you look at someone and go like, so
Speaker 3: you look once, look twice.
Speaker 2: But he does it to an audience and the.
Speaker 3: Goes, have you ever tried the three? And he does
Speaker 3: the triple take? You stop on the fence. Very good, Jeffrey,
Speaker 3: he does it much better, Jeffrey.
Speaker 1: To get Oliver back on the podcast because we talk
Speaker 1: about himself and perhaps he could cover the Winter Bago.
Speaker 3: Man and he could also do the three take.
Speaker 2: No, it just looks like you're shaking.
Speaker 3: He does it very well. Jeffrey helped with Wednesday Bible
Speaker 3: Study and gave his path to the first few seasons
Speaker 3: the signepot on. A Charlotte police officer later said he
Speaker 3: spoke to everyone within a mile of the place. Employers
Speaker 3: noticed lots of things going missing at the Toys r
Speaker 3: Us and the police were called multiple times, so we
Speaker 3: had quite a few close calls. Now, Jeffrey still needed
Speaker 3: money to take his new girlfriend out on dates, so
Speaker 3: he broke into a pawn shop and stall a gun.
Speaker 2: He also managed pawn Yes.
Speaker 3: That's right. He also changed employees rosters at Toys RS
Speaker 3: to roam around the building freely.
Speaker 2: So so what he just rostered? No one on around.
Speaker 3: He started changing rosters. So finally, the day after Christmas
Speaker 3: two thousand and four, he walked into Toys r Us
Speaker 3: with a gun. Oh not Mary, going back to his
Speaker 3: old tricks. Police arrived very quickly. Police dogs were brought
Speaker 3: in and found seven thousand dollars worth of toys he'd
Speaker 3: hidden in the ceiling.
Speaker 2: Why would you if you're going to rob somewhere for money.
Speaker 3: I don't know why you'd set up to me. I
Speaker 3: think he was getting a bit cocky, like he was
Speaker 3: out in the wild a lot, like well, you know,
Speaker 3: you can say that out in society, not in the world.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but he was out and about like I
Speaker 3: think he was just getting cocky with it, like I'm
Speaker 3: not going to get found. He had that military training.
Speaker 3: I feel like he thought, I'm the roof man, I
Speaker 3: can get all over.
Speaker 1: And because I suppose because he was set up in
Speaker 1: there so well, he thought that would be like he
Speaker 1: knew the workings of it, he'd be able to do
Speaker 1: that more.
Speaker 3: I'm the roof man, not the roof kid.
Speaker 2: Stop winking at the Okay.
Speaker 3: But this was all his undoing. So when they found
Speaker 3: the seven thousand dollars worth of stuff, somehow he got away.
Speaker 3: A few days later, Charlotte police officer was on patrol
Speaker 3: and noticed a vacant circuit city store with the power
Speaker 3: on but half of it blacked out. This officer was
Speaker 3: curious to see what was going on, especially because of
Speaker 3: the armed robbery that had just occurred. The officer saw
Speaker 3: a makeshift door, and that's where he discovered at Jeffrey's home.
Speaker 3: There he found a fingerprint for the roof man himself.
Speaker 3: It was Jeffrey Manchester.
Speaker 1: Also they'd found they they found seven thousand dollars worth
Speaker 1: of stolen stuff from Toys r US.
Speaker 3: But not him, not him, it's right. So he escaped
Speaker 3: quickly and then they came back. And that seems really strange.
Speaker 3: It's abandoned. Why there's a power there. The detective said
Speaker 3: that he'd never found someone so determined. That night, his
Speaker 3: mugshot was plastered everywhere. Police finally wanted to catch him
Speaker 3: and take him back to prison before sunrise.
Speaker 2: And that, sorry to interrupt.
Speaker 1: Imagine finding like a store had been robbed and the
Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars worth of goods were taken, and you
Speaker 1: would never think that that would then lead you.
Speaker 2: To a man who escaped from a forty five year prison.
Speaker 3: Exactly, No, not at all. Yeah, before sunrise, Jeffrey had
Speaker 3: returned to the dentist to retrieve his dental records so
Speaker 3: they might be found and used against him. Ah, but
Speaker 3: he ended up setting the whole place on fire instead, sorry,
Speaker 3: so he couldn't find his records, and he went, oh, oh,
Speaker 3: just to the ground. Oh, it was no use. People
Speaker 3: already knew who he was. The people in the church
Speaker 3: had their own suspicions about the clean cut thirty three
Speaker 3: year old who had just apparently fallen out of the sky.
Speaker 3: Detectives then went to speak with Lee. She eventually agreed
Speaker 3: to help by arranging a meeting with Jeffrey. Jeffrey arrived
Speaker 3: at Lee's apartment with a bouquet of flowers. Light till
Speaker 3: the end, Yeah, But then he was met with officers
Speaker 3: who placed him under arrest. His ultimate mistake was going
Speaker 3: back for the girl one last time, said one detective.
Speaker 3: Jeffrey is now serving his sentence and is due to
Speaker 3: be released in two thousand and thirty six, where he
Speaker 3: will be sixty five years old. He tried to change,
Speaker 3: so he tried to escape once again. Of course, he
Speaker 3: did in two thousand and nine and again in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, both attempts failed. He had a minor
Speaker 3: infraction in twenty twenty where he had a substance possession
Speaker 3: somehow in Brisain Chatting. Tatum played Jeffrey Manchester in the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five film Roofman, which is worth a watch.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was kind of a I think an online
Speaker 3: release film. Yeah, yeah, that g is the Abridge story
Speaker 3: of the Roofman Jeffrey Manchester.
Speaker 1: Why is it that the way his story is told
Speaker 1: makes you completely flip whether you think this is like
Speaker 1: a good guy or a bad guy, Like, obviously he's
Speaker 1: a bad guy kind.
Speaker 2: Of I'm like, oh, what a shame. His other escape
Speaker 2: failed attempts failed, like he could.
Speaker 3: Have the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. There's something there's something about him
Speaker 2: that is I don't know a little or something there, like.
Speaker 1: It's not he's he's a criminal, armed robbery, thefts.
Speaker 2: Like there's so much there that is very wrong. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: Apart from the you know, there might have been a
Speaker 3: domestic dispute. Apart from that, forgot about that. I don't
Speaker 3: think he ever hurt anyone.
Speaker 2: I mean holding a gun to people and putting them in.
Speaker 3: A not Everyone is very polite, So I don't Yeah,
Speaker 3: so weird.
Speaker 1: I think it's his pretty privilege without even me seeing him,
Speaker 1: but you're just saying he looks like Tanning Tatum.
Speaker 2: This is like like.
Speaker 1: Unmitigated in the back of my my subcontentlege.
Speaker 3: That's so bad. Yeah, it's pretty privilege Dig says that.
Speaker 1: Dum, yeah, okay, he's very pretty.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I loved that story, so have you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not interesting. I just thought that was such
Speaker 3: an interesting little story I could tell on a Thursday
Speaker 3: as a bonus episode this week. And I've got lots
Speaker 3: of ones I've been researching recently, and I love doing
Speaker 3: the Thursday treats. It's like, it's so there can be
Speaker 3: a bit more uplifting, obviously than the This is very much.
Speaker 1: This I'm saying, like it's storytelling is so funny in itself,
Speaker 1: like the way you told that, We're like, yeah, it's uplifting,
Speaker 1: it's like a treat.
Speaker 2: It's Thursday.
Speaker 1: We could have told that from the perspective of one
Speaker 1: of the victorims, like.
Speaker 2: A heroin story.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is horrendous.
Speaker 1: And horrendous in all of the way, in all of
Speaker 1: the I'm going to watch roof Man.
Speaker 3: Watch roof Man.
Speaker 2: Did you like it?
Speaker 3: I liked it. Yeah, It's it's not an incredible film,
Speaker 3: but they make it a bit light, a bit like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a funny film to watch. Us to kind of
Speaker 3: go oh, this is a true story. And I think
Speaker 3: when I watch one of those kind of out there
Speaker 3: ideas and it's true, I like it a lot more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you think like that story itself, like someone
Speaker 1: hid in the roof of Toys are Us.
Speaker 2: If you brought that script to a filmmaker, they go, oh, no,
Speaker 2: that's silly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a friend.
Speaker 1: I want to message him and say, if he's available,
Speaker 1: I'm going to call him and get him to do
Speaker 1: it on the podcast right now.
Speaker 2: A friend.
Speaker 1: Toys are Us who does the the Toys are Us
Speaker 1: closing call.
Speaker 2: Yes, and he remembers it really well, and I want
Speaker 2: him to do it.
Speaker 3: That will be fantastic because yeah, this is kind of
Speaker 3: his his party trick where he does this if you
Speaker 3: just ask him politely or you don't even know to
Speaker 3: ask him politely really, but he'll just do it for you.
Speaker 3: And it's the closing call when he worked at Toys
Speaker 3: r Us or Toy World or one of them, and yeah,
Speaker 3: and he just did it. He always does it at
Speaker 3: a dinner party. It's like the final call of the night.
Speaker 3: Once you've had a few drinks, you go bill to
Speaker 3: the toys.
Speaker 2: No, we don't have to ask if he'll just do it's.
Speaker 3: Just call him, don't don't take him, just call me.
Speaker 1: I just said he's three for thirty seconds for me
Speaker 1: to call. But then I realized saying that, he'll be like,
Speaker 1: oh god, you know, so I've said what we want?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Great.
Speaker 1: I think he's the kind of person if I just called,
Speaker 1: he'd think I was having some kind of mentib.
Speaker 3: And oh yeah, phone just going are you okay?
Speaker 2: Gee? What's opening here?
Speaker 3: You go?
Speaker 2: Look he has an answer. I'm just going to try to.
Speaker 3: Call anyway, and if not, we'll insert it, edit it,
Speaker 3: edit it. Yeah, try and call him. If it doesn't work,
Speaker 3: we'll let it this bit of house.
Speaker 2: This is fun, you know what it's like. It's like
Speaker 2: live radio or something.
Speaker 3: Something like that. It's also the day before Christmas Eve.
Speaker 3: When you're calling, that's a very funny time to be
Speaker 3: calling someone out of nowhere. This is good. I'm on
Speaker 3: if he's screening your call, God may doe.
Speaker 1: We look outside the window and we see him walking past,
Speaker 1: looking at his phone and just putting back in his pocket.
Speaker 3: Hi, sorry, Mina.
Speaker 2: His voice, I'm leaving that. Let's leave that in though,
Speaker 2: because he's got such.
Speaker 3: A good toys anyway, let's put it in here if
Speaker 3: we get it here for the episode Tension, Ladies and Gentlemen.
Speaker 4: As the time is approaching nine pm, Toys r US
Speaker 4: will be closing for trade in approximately ten minutes time.
Speaker 3: If you could please find Elijah.
Speaker 4: Purchases and make your way through to the front registers,
Speaker 4: it'd be greatly appreciated. I mean, half of the whole team.
Speaker 4: We'd like to thank you for shopping at the world's
Speaker 4: largest toy store, Toys r US.
Speaker 3: Gee. Anyway, that is a story of the roof man.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have a question for you, saving Peter more
Speaker 2: than happy to answer.
Speaker 1: If you had to live in a store of any
Speaker 1: any sort for whatever reason, I don't care what reason,
Speaker 1: what store would you choose to live in?
Speaker 3: That's going to be McDonald's from me, I'm loving it.
Speaker 2: Stop doing that.
Speaker 1: You guys need to watch this on the YouTube. If
Speaker 1: your podcast.
Speaker 2: Exclusive listeners not watchers, please watch to this episode YouTube.
Speaker 3: Would you want to leave?
Speaker 2: I have thought about this many times. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I think like a Captain's News, like a like a furniture.
Speaker 3: Furniture that's very smart, but I'd want to be somewhere
Speaker 3: where they have food as well, So I'd want to
Speaker 3: probably be maybe a Harvey Norman here in Australia.
Speaker 2: Hover Norman doesn't have food. Oh hang on, I've got
Speaker 2: the perfect answer.
Speaker 3: I care, I care everything.
Speaker 1: And also like the you know, they've got the hot
Speaker 1: dogs and the Swedish meatballs and everything.
Speaker 3: So speak from the other day, absolutely delicious.
Speaker 1: Well when you said you could have said disgusting. Okay,
Speaker 1: because then by night you don't have to have a
Speaker 1: makeshift bed. Can you tell I'm like a perpetually sleepy person.
Speaker 1: My mind goes straight to I just want to bed,
Speaker 1: to be able to sleep it at night. No, great,
Speaker 1: you're going to bed there even set them up like
Speaker 1: you know in the in the marketplace and not the marketplace,
Speaker 1: like the showroom section of Ikea.
Speaker 2: It's all set up and ready to go. The beds
Speaker 2: are there, Go and have your for dinner. Ye like
Speaker 2: your bed at night.
Speaker 1: They've got like studies and office spaces set up. You
Speaker 1: can pretend to do some work by day.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's actually yeah, okay, No, you're right, you're
Speaker 3: actually right.
Speaker 2: Thank you, I thank you. Just get that clean.
Speaker 3: You're actually right.
Speaker 2: I love that I'm gonna make that my ring tone.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it always. I think this comes out on Year's
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Speaker 2: Is there any kind of Y two K bug issue
Speaker 2: like this year? Any any concerns?
Speaker 3: No, I think everything's going to be great.
Speaker 2: Wink at the camera. Get that's when you should have
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