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Speaker 1: Now, yesterday on the show, I took you through some

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Speaker 1: some legislative changes when it comes to crime. Now, among

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Speaker 1: the questions were a number of chargers were you know,

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Speaker 1: questions about how many people have been charged against well

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Speaker 1: certain individuals and different offenses. Now it was revealed twenty

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Speaker 1: five eight hundred and one charges were laid from August

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Speaker 1: The questions also looked into how many youths and adults

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Speaker 1: have been charged under the new post and boast laws,

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Speaker 1: as well as how many were sentenced. There were also

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Speaker 1: to ram raiding offenses. This is all since the CLP

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Speaker 1: came into government. Now joining us on the show is

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Speaker 1: the Opposition leader Selena Youubo. Good morning to you, Selena.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Katie, Good morning to listeners.

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Speaker 1: Selena, what were you trying to glean from the questions

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, we wanted to ask the CP government those

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Speaker 2: key questions, particularly around reducing crime, which is obviously a

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Speaker 2: how can we see what's making a difference, what's not

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Speaker 2: progress and hold them accountable. Katie.

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Speaker 1: Now, I know you asked a number of questions about

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Speaker 1: March this year, seven individuals had been charged with post

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Speaker 2: I think there could be an opportunity Again, we'll ask

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Speaker 2: the same question Katie next year, in twelve months time.

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Speaker 2: So I want to make sure that again is the

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Speaker 2: are there adjustments that can be made to the education

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Speaker 2: So that's essentially what we're trying to do. It's almost

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had wondered because obviously it also asked about

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the reporting period, just so listeners understand, is

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Speaker 1: that the opposition did focus on remote education yesterday. In

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, we had Joe Heersey, the Education Minister, on yesterday,

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Speaker 2: And we were just extremely not just disappointed, but quite

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Speaker 2: the questions. And I think all schools, Katie, doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: Look, we will we're trying our best to get her

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is another one that we sort of scratch

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Speaker 1: Do you know how much it was costing to complete

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, in twenty twenty two, the work that was

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Speaker 2: So what we ask questions to the Attorney General, Murray

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Speaker 2: we believe is definitely watering down the Any Discrimination Act.

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Speaker 2: And Marie Claire basically came back and said, oh, I've

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Speaker 2: So number one, if you're basing your decisions by government

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Speaker 1: Well, that wast and that was the criticism when you

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Speaker 1: we just you know, like we're concerned about these changes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's one part of the aspect there, Katie,

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Speaker 2: around those religious institutions and the process of employment. And

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Speaker 2: I know we don't have enough time to speak of

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Speaker 2: all of that, but they're freekeeen to talk to you

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Speaker 2: more about that in the future. But one of the

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Speaker 2: big concerns that we have, Katie, is here in the territory. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: we always talk about how fiercely unique we are and

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Speaker 2: how we want to protect every territory and that we

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Speaker 2: love living in the territory, but the rest of the

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Speaker 2: country is having a huge conversation around hate speech and

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Speaker 2: hate crimes, and we've seen some really shocking media reports

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Speaker 2: in other parts of the country of where hate crimes

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Speaker 2: are really becoming a horrible part of community life. We

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Speaker 2: never want to see that happen here in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: So the reforms of the Attorney General and the colp

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Speaker 2: government are talking about are actually watering down the protections

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Speaker 2: and the rights of territories under that particular law. And

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Speaker 2: that's what we're concerned about, where the rest of the

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Speaker 2: country is trying to catch up to what we have

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Speaker 2: here in the territory. We're a bit of a leader

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Speaker 2: in the space in this one, which is great. The

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Speaker 2: Seal and the Attorney General looking to step us backwards

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Speaker 2: and we don't agree with that and we don't think

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Speaker 2: that's fair for territory.

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Speaker 1: And Selena a very quick one before I let you

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Speaker 1: go this morning. It has indeed been revealed that Lee

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Speaker 1: Points well land clearing at Lee Point in Darwin is

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Speaker 1: going to stop after a Northern Territory tribunal rule. The

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Speaker 1: developer cannot continue work at the site until a major

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Speaker 1: legal challenge from Larikia elder and senior traditional owner Tibi

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Speaker 1: quoll Is heard what do you make of this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, I heard that this morning on some of

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Speaker 2: the news bulletins when I was listening to the radio,

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Speaker 2: and it will be interesting. I think the biggest part

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Speaker 2: of this is whatever the process now that is halted,

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Speaker 2: people want to see an outcome, whether it's the round

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Speaker 2: of development, whether it's around any lend protections, whether there's

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Speaker 2: any penalties, whatever. The outcome is that people want to

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Speaker 2: see a fair and just process, and they want to

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Speaker 2: see a quick process.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, this is the thing. What do you

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Speaker 1: think it's so in terms of when somebody has gone

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Speaker 1: through all of those processes already, you start your project

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Speaker 1: and then it has to stop it.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I get the concerns from people, but it also it's

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Speaker 1: a real uncertainty for anybody wanting to do any kind

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Speaker 1: of business in the NT when this happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, and I think that we'll probably see some

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Speaker 2: learnings from this particular process. But I mean the COLP

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Speaker 2: said that they've got the territory coordinator now and twenty

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Speaker 2: million dollars later, and we haven't seen a single report

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Speaker 2: or anything. Actually, addressed around projects of significance in the territory.

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Speaker 1: Though started obviously when you guys are empowered, also falls

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Speaker 1: under the Federal Labor Party. Again, I'll ask what do

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Speaker 1: you think it sees for certainty when it comes to

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Speaker 1: projects in the nt OH, Katie.

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Speaker 2: That's why there's different laws and protections again through the

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Speaker 2: process of development. I think that's a really important part

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Speaker 2: around stimulating the territory's economy and there will be lessons

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Speaker 2: from this regardless of the outcome.

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Speaker 1: Selena Rubo always good to catch up with you. I'll

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Speaker 1: let you go. I know you've got to get into estimates.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you