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Speaker 1: It's a special Will and Woody podcast Mini.

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Speaker 2: The great debate, the great tension right across the country

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Speaker 2: right now is what is the opportunity cost of putting

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Speaker 2: a country in lockdown? Yes, we know the health benefits

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Speaker 2: are massive physically obviously for the week, the sick, the unvaccinated,

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Speaker 2: the elderly. This is the thing we need to be

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Speaker 2: doing for the healthcare system. Mental health, adolescent health, children's

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Speaker 2: mental health in particular are really starting to bubble to

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Speaker 2: the surface now as parents can't use playgrounds in some instances,

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Speaker 2: can't send their kids to childcare. So to talk to

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Speaker 2: us a little bit more about that, we've got doctor

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Speaker 2: Michael kar Greg specializes in adolescent mental health as well. Michael,

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Speaker 2: do you think that the tolls starting to become a

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Speaker 2: bit strong on adolescents when we consider the comparison with

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Speaker 2: what we're trying to save?

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Speaker 3: Oh, look for sure. Look, by September second, our students

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Speaker 3: will have missed one hundred and forty six days of school.

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Speaker 3: That's percent of their school days in remote learning. And

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Speaker 3: then on top of that, we've kind of stopped them

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Speaker 3: from community sport, close the playgrounds, and it's just causing

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Speaker 3: devastating mental health issues.

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Speaker 1: How much has it increased the mental health issues wise,

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Speaker 1: the prevalence of mental health issues and in adolescence since

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Speaker 1: the lockdown's Michael.

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Speaker 3: So, we know that there's an increase in mental health

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Speaker 3: presentations to accident and emergency by about fifty percent. We

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Speaker 3: know that there's been an increase in the prevalence of anxiety, depression,

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Speaker 3: deliberate self harm, and eating disorders. So all of the

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Speaker 3: major problems that existed before COVID are now getting substantially worse.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean by it? So Substein when we

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Speaker 2: say substantially worse? Here, how do we know that?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: Is this because I know, what do you know? We're

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Speaker 2: talking before Beck Madden, you know, Bechjarred, these sorts of

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Speaker 2: high profile are posting about this. I'm sure there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of anecdotal evidence from sure, from parents who are

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Speaker 2: obviously living with kids that are struggling. But for the

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Speaker 2: naysayers and for the people that are skeptical, what's the

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Speaker 2: what sort of facts are we looking at to show

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Speaker 2: that this is the case.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So we look at some really clear indicators, like

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Speaker 3: the number of people fronting up to accent to the

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Speaker 3: emergency compared to this time last year and what they're

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Speaker 3: showing up for. First of all, increased in number of

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Speaker 3: people with mental health presentations, so that is people who

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Speaker 3: are suicidal, people who have deliberately self harmed. So those

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Speaker 3: are very clear figures they have increased. You can just

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Speaker 3: talk to the accident emergency at Royal Children's.

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Speaker 2: Hospital and rocking up in their kids.

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Speaker 3: Correct, geez, that's unprecedented. The second thing is we know

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Speaker 3: calls to Kids Helpline. When you call Kids Helpline, the

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Speaker 3: person on the end of the phone, if they get

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Speaker 3: really worried about you, they do an emergency call, so

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Speaker 3: they'll press a button and that sends an ambulance and

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Speaker 3: your police to the home of whoever's making the call.

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Speaker 3: That's up one and forty six percent.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, it's pretty confronting stats and information, Michael, which

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Speaker 1: I'm sure is pretty confronting to hear if you are

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Speaker 1: a parent as well as someone who is an adolescent

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Speaker 1: to try and you know, alleviate their concerns and their stress.

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Speaker 1: Is there a piece of advice or one main piece

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Speaker 1: of advice that you'd give to parents that you know

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Speaker 1: currently do have kids under the age of seventeen that

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Speaker 1: are struggling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, real quick. Three things. First of all, we've got

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Speaker 3: to set the emotional tone, which means being alert but

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Speaker 3: not alarmed. We can get through, this is the message. Secondly,

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Speaker 3: we need to push optimism. We need to be purveyors

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Speaker 3: of hope and say to young people, look, the more

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Speaker 3: people who get vaccinated, the more likely it is that

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Speaker 3: we're going to get back to normal. Won't be tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: but it will be and that's a really important message.

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Speaker 3: And last of all, in the meantime, we've got to

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Speaker 3: look after our own wellbeing to meet our needs for exercise, diet, sleep,

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Speaker 3: and of course connection with friends.

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Speaker 2: So you're talking about the parents themselves there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and also making sure that the kids get those

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Speaker 3: messages from the parents, and that the young people, in

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Speaker 3: particular the ones in year twelve, that's really tough at

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Speaker 3: the moment what we say to them, Hey, the good

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Speaker 3: news is let's reframe. It never going to be easier

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Speaker 3: to get into TAPE or UNI because we've got no

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Speaker 3: overseas competition and everybody's getting special consideration. So that's the

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Speaker 3: good news.

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Speaker 2: There's a skill to that, isn't it Like seeing that

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Speaker 2: silver lining is obviously massive, although you know, the other

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Speaker 2: part of this equation is obviously you know, saying to parents,

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Speaker 2: you know, be pervasive optimism, We're going to get there,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. But I suppose it becomes a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a cook pot for disaster when the

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Speaker 2: parents themselves are you know, struggling and you know, trying

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Speaker 2: to find two seconds away for the gildren when they

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Speaker 2: can sort of quantize exactly what's going on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think it's really difficult if you've got

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Speaker 3: kids at home at the moment. I think, particularly if

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Speaker 3: they're very young. It doesn't take very long if you've

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Speaker 3: got a five year old out of control before you

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Speaker 3: sound like one. And more importantly, making sure that you

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Speaker 3: have some me time for you. So if you can

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Speaker 3: tag team with another adult just so you can get

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Speaker 3: five minute break, that's really important for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that or otherwise take forty five minutes on the John,

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Speaker 2: pop the door closed. Sorry, good dietary issues again. Hey, Michael,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Mate.

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Speaker 2: Phenomenal insights there if you want to. If you want

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Speaker 2: to hear more about Michael got a Michael kargreg dot com.

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Speaker 2: That's car DOUBLR, Greg Double G and Michael you can

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Speaker 2: you can book an appointment there as well. I know

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Speaker 2: you can book appointments with Mike on his website. Michael,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us. Fascinating insight and

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Speaker 2: in a really tricky time and I'm sure lots of

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Speaker 2: people appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Mate pleasure guys, and for.

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Speaker 2: Anybody that needs help immediately, then of course you can

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Speaker 2: always call Lifeline on thirteen eleven fourteen. They are always

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Speaker 2: there to answer your phones and your calls no matter

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Speaker 2: how small. The moment of distress is for you to

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