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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcasts. This podcast is

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Speaker 1: for women who want to take ownership of their lives,

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Speaker 1: the right place. I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson. I'm a

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Speaker 1: lawyer turned entrepreneur, co founder of Naked Harvest Supplements, and

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Speaker 1: social media personality with a community of over three hundred thousand.

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Speaker 1: I grew up believing I had to pursue the safe

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Speaker 1: But then I entered my corporate law job and I

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Speaker 1: realized that settling for a reality that did I didn't set

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Speaker 1: my soul on fire, was something I was not prepared

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Speaker 1: to do. I wanted more, and I have a feeling

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Speaker 1: you do too. Join me and special guests weekly as

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Speaker 1: we get down to the nitty gritty on all things health,

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Speaker 1: mastering your mindset, creating lasting habits, thriving in your career

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Speaker 1: and relationships, plus so much more, and together we'll gain

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Speaker 1: the knowledge and perspective to pursue our wildest dreams and

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Speaker 1: kick fear to the curb. Well, what are you waiting for?

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Speaker 1: Let's rise and conquer. Hey guys, welcome back to another

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Speaker 1: episode on Ross and Conquer podcast. Today's chat is with

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Speaker 1: a very strong woman named Lisa Cox. Lisa is a

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Speaker 1: female change maker, disability influencer, author, and presenter who inspires

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Speaker 1: other women to live fearlessly. Putting a stop to stereotypes

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Speaker 1: and altering the narrative around disability is what fuels Lisa's

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Speaker 1: mission to muse, educate, and challenge convention in the way

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Speaker 1: disability is represented in mainstream pop culture. In our chat today,

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Speaker 1: Lisa shares her story about how she had a brain

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Speaker 1: loss of one leg, her toes, nine fingertips, and caused

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Speaker 1: Since hitting restart, Lisa has had many personal professional achievements.

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Speaker 1: Learning to write and speak again was just the beginning.

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Speaker 1: She's now started her own business, written two books, become

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Speaker 1: and I hope you enjoyed this chat with some very

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Speaker 1: important topics. Let's get into the show. Hey, Lisa, welcome

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Speaker 2: I love thanks very much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I'm excited for you to come on the

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Speaker 1: show and bring everyone your very important message. But before

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Speaker 1: ask all my guests is what season they're in, And

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Speaker 1: so I just love hearing about you know what people

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Speaker 1: be able to resonate at certain seasons. So what sort

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Speaker 2: Well, like a lot of people at the moment, the

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Speaker 2: whole world, in fact, I'm in isolation. So my season

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Speaker 2: Ever since I acquired my disabilities of feen years ago,

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Speaker 2: life has been a lot slower and I'm sickretly enjoying

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Speaker 2: it because my husband's home with me but don't tell

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Speaker 2: anyone that it's been a bit of a time, as

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Speaker 2: all of my time in rowing safes of isolation has been,

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Speaker 2: there's been a bit of a reflection, and in some

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Speaker 2: ways it almost feels like New Years, because when life

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Speaker 2: So that's the season. I mean, it's a bit of reflection.

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Speaker 1: because it does feel like that. That is so funny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, without all the celebrations and excitements and everything champagne popping,

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Speaker 1: Exactly. Well, let's get straight into the show. So I've

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Speaker 2: Sure I'll give you the the these days snapshot because

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Speaker 2: I've got a backstory that I think you're getting too late.

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Speaker 2: But I'm an author, a public speaker, and a business

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Speaker 2: I'm also a sister wife, proud auntie and yeah thisbatic

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of you more. But and live

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Speaker 1: I know that it is so true. I grew up

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Speaker 1: It was the coldest day in history in May.

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Speaker 2: It was my husband and I went out to get

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Speaker 2: I'm so tough. I don't feel cold. And I was

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Speaker 1: It's freezing? I know. Well, when you were talking at

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Speaker 1: a bit. And so when you were twenty four, you

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Speaker 1: had a brain hemorrhage which led to some time spent

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, Well I'll set the scene a little bit.

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Speaker 2: So I grew up here in Bruising as well, and

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Speaker 2: I spent three weeks in a coma, two months on

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Speaker 2: And during that first year in hospital and a little

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Speaker 2: times more surgery and things like that. But I also

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Speaker 2: you can see my wheelchairst I use full time. You

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Speaker 2: can see my prosthetic limb and my amputations, but there

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Speaker 2: I'm very un coordinated, and I have a memory liking goldfish.

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Speaker 2: that's that's probably why. But there's a few other things

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Speaker 2: that's that's my health, my health history. So I found

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Speaker 2: obviously knew nothing would be the same again. In terms

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Speaker 2: I'd just have this overwhelming sense of gratitude that hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm alive. I'm not supposed to be. All of my

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Speaker 2: I was between these extremes. And I was also on

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Speaker 1: Yes, Wow, that is just it is just so like

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Speaker 1: you said, like those things, as you know, you would

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Speaker 2: You did feel it. It came out of, really came

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Speaker 1: And do they know what course, Well, it was.

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Speaker 2: A Streptococcus a austrap a. That was the name of

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Speaker 2: And from what I'm told, like they never found out

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Speaker 2: my body unfortunately just didn't didn't fight it and just

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Speaker 1: So you said, you hit the restart button on so

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Speaker 1: many areas of your life. Can you give us some

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Speaker 1: examples of how that sort of happened and also some

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Speaker 1: of the challenges you overcame, because what like what you're

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Speaker 1: talking about, I could imagine it's not just you know,

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Speaker 2: So much more after that. Yeah, No, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: And the misconception people have about me is that when

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Speaker 2: it's it's a it's a day to day. Everyone's got

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Speaker 2: with regard to the restart, and I suppose I hit

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Speaker 2: restarting some sort of employment or restarting a relationship. And

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Speaker 1: And so you've written your ebook called Find Your Fearless,

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Speaker 2: Well, quite a few things. But firstly, people kept saying

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Speaker 1: Oh that's so good. And something that I chat about

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Speaker 2: who have similar goals and aspirations, maybe you know, following

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Speaker 2: those accounts on Instagram or whatever the case on me,

435
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Speaker 2: whatever fits your situation. But planning things out a little

436
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Speaker 2: bit more and that can give you confidence as well.

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Speaker 2: So it takes a bit of the fear away if

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Speaker 2: you can understand how others are doing and reading about

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Speaker 2: other people's experiences and how they've overcome their fears, so

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Speaker 2: you can you can read about how how so and

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Speaker 2: so had a fear and how they overcame it, and

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Speaker 2: you can apply that to your own situation as well.

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Speaker 2: So just learning from others.

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Speaker 1: So good, listen to books and podcasts and exactly follow

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Speaker 1: the right accounts. I love that. Thank you for sharing that.

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Speaker 1: And so I want to switch gears and I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about disability representation. So you're so passionate about

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Speaker 1: advocating for disrupting preconceptions about disability. Can you explain the

449
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Speaker 1: importance of representing all types of bodies and pop culture

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Speaker 1: and the media.

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Speaker 2: Sure, well, I suppose just to backtrack my background within

452
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Speaker 2: within advertising and media, and I've spent years making brands

453
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Speaker 2: visit all my clients the messages that products visible. And

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Speaker 2: after my disability, I realized that I could apply many

455
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Speaker 2: of those same principles to what was probably a little

456
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Speaker 2: bit more important than the European car I was selling

457
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Speaker 2: previously in my once But I'll plow those same principles

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Speaker 2: disability and create visibility around that. So I suppose representation

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Speaker 2: is really really important from two points a bit. Firstly,

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Speaker 2: there's the social social attitude side of the morality, ethics,

461
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Speaker 2: social justice, so sorts of things that's really important for

462
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Speaker 2: people with the disability and with that disability, seeing someone

463
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Speaker 2: who looks like you, who who axed like you in

464
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Speaker 2: mainstream media just just makes you feel a bit better.

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Speaker 2: You remember when you were a teenager. I remember when

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Speaker 2: I was a teenager looking at looking at magazines and things,

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Speaker 2: and at least seeing people who who looked a bit

468
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Speaker 2: like me. So I still had all my legs and

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Speaker 2: I wasn't in a wheelchairney, But how just completely rotten

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Speaker 2: it must feel for a young person with the disability

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Speaker 2: to just every time they turn on the TV, open

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Speaker 2: a magazine, download something, jump to a website, there's there's

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Speaker 2: just nobody there representing them, or nobody there that looks

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Speaker 2: like them, and the other position to look at back

475
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Speaker 2: from Again, my background in business makes me I spent

476
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Speaker 2: so much stumming boardrooms getting bored. But for some people

477
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: the only way they can really understand the importance of

478
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Speaker 2: this is if they hear about the economic or financial benefits.

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Speaker 2: So to that diversity and representation is just bloody smart business. Basically,

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Speaker 2: if you think about it, twenty percent of the population

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Speaker 2: approximately have a disabelity, and one hundred percent of those

482
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Speaker 2: people are consumers. So a twenty percent market share is

483
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Speaker 2: a pretty big one to just ignore and sweep under

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Speaker 2: the car. And that's not forgetting the millions of people

485
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Speaker 2: who are the family loved one of your colleagues, of

486
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Speaker 2: people with disability so important.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because I haven't actually heard I've had

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Speaker 1: a couple of people on the show who are in

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Speaker 1: a wheelchair of lost leg and we've spoken about this,

490
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Speaker 1: and I haven't heard it from the marketing perspective, which

491
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Speaker 1: is really interesting. And I guess it's because of you know,

492
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Speaker 1: your background and where you're working and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: But that is so interesting and so true, and like

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Speaker 1: you said, it is so important, and I'd love for

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Speaker 1: you to explain to the audience kind of how you

496
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Speaker 1: have been a change maker in disability representation, because I

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Speaker 1: know you've done some amazing things.

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Speaker 2: Oh thanks, So there have been a lot of a

499
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Speaker 2: lot of great people out there doing great things, so

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Speaker 2: I certainly haven't been the only one. But a little

501
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Speaker 2: while ago I decided that with a background, culture and media,

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Speaker 2: there was no representation. So I took it upon myself

503
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Speaker 2: to where would you not expect to see a wheelchair? Right?

504
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Speaker 2: I'll try and turn up there. And obviously a wheelchair

505
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: is not the only type of disability, but it was

506
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Speaker 2: representative of difference of somebody who has a visible or

507
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Speaker 2: invisible difference and have both. So yeah, I started out

508
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Speaker 2: at some Redcuff events and fashion events and then found

509
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Speaker 2: myself on the runway for the Mersades Bends Fashion Festival

510
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Speaker 2: last year, and I'm now doing work with Media Diversity

511
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Speaker 2: Australia and working closely with journalists around around news and

512
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Speaker 2: the reporting of disability. So just little things like not

513
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Speaker 2: using the words confined to a wheelchair for everybody, because

514
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Speaker 2: being confined to a wheelchair, I'm confined to my office,

515
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Speaker 2: my office chair at the moment, if you take my

516
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Speaker 2: wheelchair away, I'm confined to that because it takes me

517
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Speaker 2: around town, around the world, not at the moment with COVID,

518
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Speaker 2: but my wheelchair is is my source of freedom. And

519
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: that's how so many people feel about their mobility aise,

520
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Speaker 2: even though sometimes the media you know, says we're chair

521
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Speaker 2: bound or wheelchair bound, confined to a wheelchair and uses

522
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: just uses words like that only only small things, but

523
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: over time, these small things all that out.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I love that, and it's it's really like you said,

525
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Speaker 1: like it's small things, but it's important, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's also it's so great you mentioned stuff like that,

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Speaker 1: because I think it's also you know, like I just

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Speaker 1: willn't even think of that. I wouldn't even of sort

529
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Speaker 1: of it registered in my mind. But obviously you are

530
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: thinking of those things and then you're shedding light in them.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's really important, you know,

532
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Speaker 1: to have you on the show and to talk about

533
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Speaker 1: these things, because like you said, it's it's not really

534
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: in the media or in pop culture on social media,

535
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: and it's definitely getting better, of course, but yes, it's

536
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: just so important that you're, you know, being a beacon

537
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: of light and sharing these things and talking to us

538
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: about it and all that sort of thing. So I

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Speaker 1: just appreciate you so much.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, thank you very much. I'm grateful that

541
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Speaker 2: I am in a position to still have my voice

542
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: as what ways it is that was affected by the

543
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Speaker 2: brain hew and so I sound like you've had a

544
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: bottle of wine by about four pm. But I'm really

545
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: grateful to still be able to do what I can

546
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Speaker 2: do and shd a bit of life and advocate for

547
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Speaker 2: people who perhaps can't advocate for themselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. Well, Lisa, it has been an absolute

549
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: pleasure having you on the show. Something that I ask

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Speaker 1: all my guests at the end of every show is

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Speaker 1: what is your biggest source of motivation? And I just

552
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: asked this because you know, sometimes we're just in a

553
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: bit of a fun can we can't really be bothered

554
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Speaker 1: to do things, or we don't feel like we have motivation.

555
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: And I just love kind of hearing what everyone says

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Speaker 1: because everyone is a little bit different. So what did

557
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Speaker 1: you force a motivation?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll do what I do, what I've done a

559
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: few times. You a little long answer. So I've got

560
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: a lot of people in my personal life, in my

561
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: family who certainly motivate me for different reasons over different

562
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Speaker 2: different periods of time. My husband, the wonderful man that

563
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: he is, motivates me every day to appreciate the life

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Speaker 2: that we have and appreciate each other, not take each

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Speaker 2: other for granted, and little things he does remind me

566
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Speaker 2: every day to, yeah, as I said before, not take

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00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: each other or our lives are for granted. But then

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Speaker 2: there's and I'm going to try and say this without

569
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Speaker 2: saying like a complete twat by that, I mean, we

570
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: have to motivate and inspire ourselves sometimes, and when I

571
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: speak to things about that, I sort of see the

572
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: eyes roll back and I'm like, oh, so up yourself,

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00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: You're such a wankering. But it's not about that at all.

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Speaker 2: It's about realizing that sometimes we are on the source

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00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: of motivation and we have to be our own cheerleaders. Yes,

576
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Speaker 2: And going back to my period in hospital, and still

577
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Speaker 2: plenty of times after that, I didn't have Beyonce or

578
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: whoever the else is going to be my source of

579
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: motivation or inspiration. Was no personal trainer to come and

580
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Speaker 2: get me out of bed and anything. I had to

581
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: be own my own source of motivation and pet myself

582
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Speaker 2: up in a way. And that still happens these days

583
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Speaker 2: when I'm looking at a computer screen, just no motivation

584
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Speaker 2: to do these things, or no motivation to go to

585
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Speaker 2: the gym or whatever the case may be. And I'm

586
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: the only one who's going to change things for myself.

587
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't rely on my trainer to walk

588
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: into the apartment or Oprah to suddenly turn up on

589
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: my doorstep. But it's something we have to do for

590
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: ourselves internally as well as having our external sources of

591
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: motivation and inspiration.

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Speaker 1: I love that, And like when you were saying that,

593
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Speaker 1: I was actually thinking, there has been so many times

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Speaker 1: where I kind of and I do the same thing

595
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: in regards to motivating myself, Like I'll think back where

596
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: I have done certain things and I'm kind of like, look, georgo,

597
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: if you've done that, you can do this, Like let's

598
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: get it happening.

599
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: That's right, Yes, yeah, that's That's a good hack for anyone.

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Speaker 2: Is just if you think it's stuck in a tough

601
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Speaker 2: spotshry and think back to the last time you did

602
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: something even a little bit similar or scary or whatever,

603
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: you can do it. If I did that, I can

604
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: definitely do this.

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00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: Oh I love it. What a perfect note to end

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Well, thank you so much for coming on

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 2: Lead that. It has been really really great speaking to you.

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Speaker 1: And that's a wrap on another episode of the Rise

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