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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me. Lola Berry, author, nutritionist,

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Speaker 1: and yoga teacher join me as we get to know

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Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately

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Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lola Berry. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back. This guest is awesome. Her name is

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Speaker 1: Teak and Muttin. You might know her from Miss Universe Australia.

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Speaker 1: I'm a celeb get me out of here, oh, celebrity apprentice.

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Speaker 1: On top of that, she is absolutely stunning, massively smart.

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Speaker 1: In fact, she's quite a little hustler. She works super hard.

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Speaker 1: But I think my favorite thing about her is that

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Speaker 1: she shines from the inside out. So I really hope

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Speaker 1: that you enjoy this little ray of sunshine. Teague and Mutton,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to like cut it like that, tell

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Speaker 1: me that, oh you're amazing. Okay, So I'm so pumped

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Speaker 1: to have well not really, I feel like you're having

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Speaker 1: me because I mean, you're a partner.

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Speaker 2: But this is the beautiful Teagan Muttin.

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Speaker 1: And I can say she's very, very beautiful because I'm

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Speaker 1: sitting opposite here. Yeah, it's good light in here, you

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Speaker 1: It is actually beautiful light in here, but it has

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with your beauty.

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Speaker 2: You are a ten out of ten.

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Speaker 3: Thanks well you are.

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Speaker 1: Although we were just talking, actually we've just been kind

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Speaker 1: of like gas bag.

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Speaker 3: The gold has just been said, so joking, There's plenty

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Speaker 3: more where that comes from.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to hear about your story.

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Speaker 1: I I guess I've known you as like so we

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Speaker 1: see each other at events every now and then, and

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Speaker 1: you're always happy and smiling, and I am.

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Speaker 2: Shiny big heart.

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Speaker 3: You know that.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of my impression of you. And then also

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Speaker 1: you've got the miss Universe stuff. And then I always

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Speaker 1: loved watching you on celeb Apprentice.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, tell me.

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Speaker 1: Have you well because I was really close with SOF

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Speaker 1: when so I was on it. So you guys were

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Speaker 1: on the same Yeah, you're on the same kind of one.

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Speaker 3: Wow. So I was twenty two. Then did you know

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Speaker 3: that I did not get the youngest by ten years?

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Speaker 3: So to actually be able to get through the challenges

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Speaker 3: and not just look like a total like new like

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Speaker 3: like I just I just was like, thank god I

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Speaker 3: made it through there, like moving on now, like yeah,

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Speaker 3: so that was Yeah, we'll go into that. But there's

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Speaker 3: just so many things I've done well before. I probably

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Speaker 3: should have, but I'm one of those kinds of people

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Speaker 3: that just says yes to everything.

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Speaker 1: No, I actually love that, and I I think I

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Speaker 1: do want to start with the Miss Universe. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: I started by kind of like going down the rabbit

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Speaker 1: hole and I've seen I've watched YouTube VIDs.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I've really done our research, guys.

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Speaker 1: And you were kind of like branded and marketers like

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Speaker 1: the beach.

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Speaker 2: Girl from Newcastle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, happy Go Lucky, No, Happy Go Lucky Lucky,

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Speaker 1: like super Ausy, you know, like all that kind of character.

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Speaker 3: It's very much a character, but it was it's so likable.

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Speaker 1: But when we were texting yesterday and you were like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I came second two years before.

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Speaker 3: Did you not know that? I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I was looking all the headlines of like you winby

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Speaker 1: take me through.

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Speaker 3: Let's go back to well. I was about thirteen when

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Speaker 3: I got my first job because I couldn't my parents

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Speaker 3: couldn't really afford to or they didn't want to use

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Speaker 3: Friday night. So I decided I was going to go

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Speaker 3: at the local hairdressing salon just down the road from

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Speaker 3: my house. It's a lot more to that story. Walked

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Speaker 3: in with a white mini skirt, giant hoops and thick

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Speaker 3: I got the job folding towers and making coffees and

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Speaker 3: of growth. And I worked there for years. I finished

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Speaker 3: was really hard for me. But I'd been there for

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Speaker 3: so many years and I'd learned so much, and I

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Speaker 3: think I was about eighteen, when the girls at my

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Speaker 3: work coerced me into doing this universe. Wow. They entered

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Speaker 3: me in it and they were kind of like, you're

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Speaker 3: doing this universe Australia, and I was like what And

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Speaker 3: I was doing I remember doing my weekly blow dry

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Speaker 3: and of course I just never felt smart enough. I

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Speaker 3: never felt like a heart was brainy enough to do

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Speaker 3: this because I know it's a beauty pageant, but there

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Speaker 3: is so much more to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but is there questions about like politics.

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Speaker 3: Controversial issues, what's happening in the world, who you are,

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Speaker 3: And I mean not just like what's your favorite sport,

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Speaker 3: I mean like really deep stuff like you wear your

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Speaker 3: to sell yourself because if you can't sell yourself, the

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Speaker 3: girl next to you will will win. Yes, So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I entered. I think I had some I think it

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Speaker 3: was like a Salvos dress or something. I can't remember.

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Speaker 3: It was like I was showing up, flying by the

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Speaker 3: We had horse tissue massage, therapists, doctors, lawyers, Like I

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Speaker 3: felt really I didn't even know horse tissue. I've never

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Speaker 2: It start me.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, how do you do? And she's like, I'm

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Speaker 3: a horst tissue massage therapist and she's like, what do

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Speaker 3: you do. I'm like, I'm a hairdresser. No, And I

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Speaker 3: should never have felt that way, because you know, the

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Speaker 3: success I have to this day is down to those

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Speaker 3: so much in Miss Universe and on celeb appreentice. I'm like, honestly,

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Speaker 3: I learnt more in that salon cutting a ninety year

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Speaker 3: you know, talk to anyone. We were kind of studying

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Speaker 3: human behavior absolutely, and you're a counselor and your hairdresser.

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Speaker 3: People can't in and say my dad died yesterday. And

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Speaker 3: you're holding space, you are very much so. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: So I was, you know, going and seeing a personal trainer.

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Speaker 3: the president of toast Masters in Newcastle, which is a

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Speaker 3: public speaking school, in international public speaking school. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: that was really bad and official to me. I started

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Speaker 3: a contentious issue. Could be about anything in the world.

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, PETI I had pages, like as in

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Speaker 3: file cabinets of information about different things, medicinal marijuana, global warming,

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Speaker 3: you know, think questions about myself. Like, it just was

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Speaker 3: think you're right.

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Speaker 2: I think it was your superpowers.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's always been my thing is over preparing.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a good trait to have.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure if it's from a place

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Speaker 3: did that came second? The fact that I came second,

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Speaker 3: So I knew that I couldn't compete with these girls

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Speaker 2: Ah, yes, I did find it's out about you.

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Speaker 3: So when I moved to Paris on my own, packed

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Speaker 3: It was more of a life experience.

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Speaker 3: It was terrifying. I showed up on the first day

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Speaker 3: No one's answering their phone. I'm stuck in the Miller Street.

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Speaker 3: Eventually I got in like four hours later, and I

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Speaker 3: for like three days. Yeah, like what have I done? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but it ended up being the best experience.

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Speaker 3: No? I left?

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Speaker 3: She didn't speak any English. Yeah, like just traumatized because

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Speaker 1: We've all had those moments. But that could on you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, now there's this you know, movement

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Speaker 1: So and it's like you've had massive dark spray. There

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Speaker 1: is a process. It's like spray. Can are you oiling

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Speaker 3: It's not. It's not kind of like a bodybuilding colm.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, we definitely have We've got our hands, we've

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Speaker 3: spraying hair spray on your bikini to like stick it

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Speaker 3: so it doesn't move across your bum. Yeah that's is

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Speaker 3: that really a hack? Yeah, that's a hat, that's a

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Speaker 3: that's a beauty. Beauty hack. There's actually a pretty hack.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure So've taught me this and said that

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Speaker 3: Is that is that a thing you do? Okay? So

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Speaker 3: I'm very resourceful, right, and I'm also very forgetful, So

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Speaker 3: Like I could be in the bush and be like,

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Speaker 3: I got this And so I remember pulling the toothbrush

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Speaker 2: It was so good.

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Speaker 3: It would work pretty good. Yeah, there's plenty plenty of

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Speaker 3: Martin Baudy hack Glogger, it's coming.

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Speaker 2: To your mate. I'm I'm all for it.

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Speaker 3: The most random thing you've ever seen. So, so, how

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Speaker 1: How did that feel when you did the third time?

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Speaker 2: You're like, okay, efforts.

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Speaker 1: Did you have time between the state final and the

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Speaker 3: Yep, so I did. I hired a PT, I had

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Speaker 3: think that's why I won, because I was really relaxed

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00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 3: and I kind of had let go of the idea

435
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 3: of winning. Yeah, I was like, I actually don't know

436
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,160
Speaker 3: what's going to happen, and because it's fooled me once before,

437
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 3: and there are a lot of girls like I know,

438
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,199
Speaker 3: you know Monica Ridulovic, and I think even Rach and

439
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 3: a lot of us had done it more than once.

440
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,359
Speaker 3: It wasn't the first year people, Yeah, because you don't

441
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,640
Speaker 3: you're not You're not in the place to win when

442
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 3: you first enter. A lot of the time, there are

443
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 3: some girls that come through when they do win. But

444
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 3: I definitely think by not winning and then preparing yourself

445
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,679
Speaker 3: better because when you win, you're on sunrise the next morning,

446
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 3: and then you're in media for the for the entire year.

447
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 3: Like if you haven't done any media training, I can

448
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,399
Speaker 3: only imagine how intense it would be.

449
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 1: Of Course, I've never thought of that. I'd just seen

450
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 1: a pretty person I'm like, oh.

451
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 3: Wow, what's amazing. She's so well spoken. She's like, so

452
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,119
Speaker 3: I've been sitting there for hours and hours on end

453
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 3: with my media trainer, going the sky is pink today

454
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 3: because and I'm like, because it's Valentine's Day and there's

455
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 3: love in the air. Like people don't see the shit

456
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 3: that goes on.

457
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 2: You've had full blown media training.

458
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it wasn't It was with, as I said,

459
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 3: the president of toast Masters, and I've always kind of

460
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 3: worked with her. I've even spoken to her recently about

461
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 3: doing some work around the Cup stuff because I you know.

462
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,199
Speaker 1: Congratulations by the way, Yeah, Melbourne Cup Ambassador.

463
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 3: Is that the way? Yeah, Melbourne Cup Carnival Ambassador. Yeah,

464
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,680
Speaker 3: very exciting. I've always been a fan of racing, but

465
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 3: once again over prepared. I want to be able to

466
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 3: articulate why I love racing and why I love Flemington,

467
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 3: and I just want to be well spoken in in

468
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 3: everything that I do. So yeah, I still I still

469
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,400
Speaker 3: work with Janelle. She's just a lady in Newcastle that's

470
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 3: retired who amazing. It's just she's travel around the world

471
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 3: doing acting and presenting, teaching, and she's just amazing and

472
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 3: She kind of helps me to evoke emotion in the

473
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 3: audience a little bit more than I did when I

474
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 3: was just kind of saying what I thought people wanted

475
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 3: to hear.

476
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: It's so nice hearing you know.

477
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,199
Speaker 1: We see you, know, we see you on TV or

478
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 1: we see your Insta and we see and you definitely

479
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 1: speak like personally on insert stories.

480
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 2: But I mean we see.

481
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 1: You in like you were the you had a cover

482
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: thing I think I put on my stories.

483
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 2: Were you like al were you on.

484
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: The front looking stunning and a bit of ideah. Yeah,

485
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 1: but it's so nice to hear that you like still

486
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: invest in like having a media trainer or a voice

487
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 1: coach or an acting coach. Yeah, you're always working on

488
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 1: your craft, absolutely, and I think that that's very empowering

489
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: to hear and to know that like someone that likes

490
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: on the outside seemingly has it all together, still has

491
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 1: things in order to make you that way.

492
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're still working on yourself, which I love.

493
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And what people probably don't know about me is

494
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 3: that I was the world's shyest girl at school. I

495
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 3: couldn't put my hand up. I used to call him

496
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 3: sick for my speeches. And I still get, you know,

497
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 3: nervous before I get up on stage or before I

498
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 3: have a microphone in my hand. But it's something that

499
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 3: I've taught myself to cope with and to love in

500
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 3: a way. So yeah, it can be learned. That's That's

501
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 3: the best thing about anything.

502
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: And I think the most scary things are often the

503
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: things that kind of like end up giving you a gift.

504
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 3: Yep, totally.

505
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh goodness, they's so much.

506
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I could keep it right

507
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: out of time quickly on the just following the Miss

508
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 1: Universe stuff and.

509
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 3: So kind of like I just quickly want to touch

510
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 3: on like.

511
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: Your health and body, Like I know there's been a

512
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: little bit of a journey there.

513
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 2: You want to share a bit about that.

514
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely. So it was actually at Miss Universe that I

515
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 3: noticed that my energy was really declining. I'd noticed it

516
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 3: a little bit up up until that point, but when

517
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 3: I went to Miss Universe, I think my nervous system

518
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 3: just crashed. We were there for almost a month. We

519
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 3: were staying at Trump's resort in Dural, Miami, and he

520
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 3: was there. Yes, photos all over the internet of me.

521
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 3: I saw him probably you know, two weeks, like each

522
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 3: day I spoke to him a few times. Yeah, he

523
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 3: was He was really lovely, and he was really respectful

524
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: to every single person in the room, which is something

525
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 3: I noticed. I'm not sure how I feel about having

526
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 3: photos of him that I'll never be able to get

527
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 3: rid of on the internet now.

528
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: But it's nice to hear this.

529
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: Like I've got this self help book at home that

530
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: I bought years and years and years ago, and it's

531
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: his book. Oh, because he used to write self help

532
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: books because it was obviously a financial guru and like,

533
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: and it's like, to this day, one of the coolest.

534
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 2: And I remember I was like the first of my

535
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: boyfriend came over.

536
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 3: He's like, what is that? What is that Donald Trump subject?

537
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: I've got a few, like I think I've got three,

538
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like they were the best, the.

539
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 3: Donald Trump portrait hanging on her bedroom.

540
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: No, no, seriously, I was a fan and I went

541
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: to Trump Tower in New York and I've got a

542
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: Trump watch.

543
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 3: I'm not choking. I'm next.

544
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 1: I say, you're going to see Actually, when I go home,

545
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to send you a photo.

546
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 3: I've got a Trump watch. I'm still this is years ago,

547
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: like this would have been when I'm thirty four. This

548
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 3: has been like come anywhere near presidency yet she's just.

549
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: Had a wrong But honestly, I found the book so

550
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: like he was like the harder that you work, the

551
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: luckier you get.

552
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think he's lucky. I think he's he

553
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 3: creates everything that happens.

554
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: Totally, and this is like totally aside from politics right now,

555
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: this is just like a mogul.

556
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is well, absolutely, And and Miss Universe, the

557
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 3: Miss Universe organization is highly profitable, and it is you know,

558
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 3: one of the the actual competition itself is broadcast over

559
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 3: two billion people. Wow. So it's the second most or

560
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 3: it was when I did it, the second most watched

561
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 3: event after the World Cup. Wow. So that's why we

562
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 3: put so much pressure. Yeah, and people kind of think,

563
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: oh my god, these girls, like why do they take

564
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 3: this so seriously? Well, that's why. Because if you work

565
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: out on that stage that night and you know, say

566
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 3: something silly about medicinal marijuana or about you know, global

567
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: warming or about what's happening in the world, you can

568
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 3: completely destroy your career. And there is you know that

569
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 3: meme that's gone round about that poor girl in Carolina.

570
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 2: Like what was the meaning from what did she said?

571
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: The meme? She she was she's basically you know known

572
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 3: as the pageants like embarrassing moment. And she was young,

573
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 3: she was in Miss teens. But they don't say that

574
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 3: in the caption when they when everyone posted it, she

575
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: was asked about she was asked why most Americans can't

576
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: locate their country on a world map. She was like,

577
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: I think that it's because most people don't have maps

578
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 3: and in places such as arax such as such as

579
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: South Africa, and she started like it was like it

580
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 3: was like she was so nervous and she just concocted

581
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: of like things that just never would go together in

582
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 3: a center.

583
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: Yes, a nice American accent.

584
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 3: Have we been doing training? I've actually I've done a

585
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 3: little bit of accent training. Oh amazing, it's not so

586
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: great anymore. No, that was perfect, Okay, perfect, Let's I

587
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: love it?

588
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, the Botto Health So your feelings also, do

589
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: you notice your energy levels were yes?

590
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: Dropping, So that means universe I was having know, I

591
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: started having a lot of coffees and I had my

592
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: we love coffee, by the way, with my coffee right now,

593
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 3: I just don't have seven a day anymore. Yeah, I

594
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 3: was having a lot of coffee. We were running on

595
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 3: like three hours sleep and showing up to like restaurant

596
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 3: appearances night, a couple appearances. Like we were being you know,

597
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: we're being used up that month, like they wanted us everywhere,

598
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 3: and we were exhausted. But I think that's when my

599
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: nervous system went into a full crash and I came

600
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: back from this universe just completely and utterly exhausted. And

601
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: I remember saying to my manager, who owned the Australian organization,

602
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: I can't I can't do these jobs, like I need

603
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: to sleep. And I would sleep seventeen hours straight and

604
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: wake up and be like I can't get out of bed.

605
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: Oh wow. And I called her one day and I said,

606
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 3: I just can't do this anymore. I just can't. And

607
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: she said, look, it's okay. She actually had had crodit

608
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 3: fatigue in her early twenties. Ah so, and a lot

609
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: of people do because it's a really higher should It's

610
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 3: that age where you've really put a lot of pressure

611
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: on yourself just to kind of finish UNI or to

612
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 3: you know, to succeed and to figure out who you are.

613
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: And she said to me it's okay, We're just going

614
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 3: to do the jobs that you have to do in

615
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 3: your contract. Yeah, so you know, it might be a

616
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 3: two hour appearance here, a two hour appearance there. I

617
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: kind of was saying no to a lot of media opportunities,

618
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 3: you know, which would have been great to capitalize on.

619
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: I feel like I could have really hustled that year.

620
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: But when your health does that though, especially so it

621
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: was chronic fatigue.

622
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean I saw nine doctors roughly,

623
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: and none of them could tell me what was wrong

624
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: with me. So I was basically told it was only

625
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: in my head and prescribed antidepressants. That was on like

626
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 3: my ninth visit, where they were like, okay, there's nothing

627
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 3: wrong with your bloods except for the fact that you've

628
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 3: got antibodies to the epstein bar virus. So there's you know,

629
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 3: in you know, conventional medicine, we say that that doesn't

630
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: mean anything.

631
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: But a natural path will say yeah, high link yes.

632
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: So I got my diagnosis and they basically said, we

633
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: think it might be depression and anxiety, and they gave

634
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: me pills and I was sent home. And so I

635
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: was sent home with this pill packet, knowing within myself

636
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: that there was some sort of invader in my body,

637
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: there was something going on that was a virus. Because

638
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm such a strong person. I was like,

639
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: this isn't depression, and he's today, Yeah, I just just knew.

640
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: I was like, it's not depression, it's I'm depressed. Don't

641
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: get me wrong. I was depressed because I couldn't get

642
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: out of it and fulfill my responsibilities and live my life.

643
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: So I was depressed as a result of the fatigue,

644
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: not fatigued as a result of the depression. And I

645
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: kept telling the doctor that anyway. I eventually was put

646
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: onto this amazing doctor Daniel Hamiri in Double Bay, who

647
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 3: I've seen, you know, some really famous people in there.

648
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: Like he's the man in medicine, and he's an integrative

649
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: doctor slash conventional doctor, but he definitely tries to be

650
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: as kind of natural as possible. He looked at my

651
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 3: blood tests and he's like, oh, yeah, you've got active

652
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 3: glandula right now. You're trying to live with landela, Like

653
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: you're trying to do normal things and be this you know,

654
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: icon and role model and whatever with glandula in your system.

655
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: And I was like, Oh my god.

656
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: That probably would have felt nice finally getting a diagnose.

657
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 3: And this was after like three years. Like I wasn't

658
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: straight away, I spent. I went to natch Pass, and

659
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: Natchpass would kind of they were the symptoms would improve,

660
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: but I was still sleeping thirteen hours a night, which

661
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: was meant that I could get through some sort of

662
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: a day. But it's still a lot of sleep.

663
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah right, So okay, so that would have been a

664
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: huge healing.

665
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 3: So you would have got over that really slowly, I amagined. Yeah,

666
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: So I mean, look, there's I still don't really know

667
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: what I've had or you know, I'm still not a

668
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: lay person. Yes, stays. It stays stagnant in your spinal cord,

669
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: I believe. Yeah, yeah, and it kind of rears its

670
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: head every time you get stressed on rundown. So big

671
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: for me. Now travel, do not get stressed, and do

672
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 3: not stress about being late at the traffic lights like

673
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: I just can't. I have to let the work go. Yeah.

674
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, when I had that diagnosis from Daniel Humiri, yeah,

675
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 3: changed my life. I was like, Okay, it's not all

676
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: in my head. We've got something to work with now. Yeah,

677
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: I know, I've got the epstein bar glandular fever virus

678
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 3: in my body. Let's try and cleanse it out. So

679
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: you just went full health bunny, health Bunny. Yeah, no,

680
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: you know, no, I'll call my friends. I lost a

681
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 3: lot of friends. We lost a lot of friends. I

682
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: lost a lot of friends for a period of time,

683
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: so my best friends. I felt thought that it was

684
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: because of my fame and profile that I was pulling

685
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: away from doing anything.

686
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: That's a dingo anyone that does things that I know.

687
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: But I was trying to pretend it was that because

688
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 3: I was embarrassed that I was sick. Yeah.

689
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is where it comes to something deeper

690
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: where you texted me you say a few failures and

691
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: then he said, don't let me forget about me being

692
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: a people please and being afraid of judgments.

693
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: So they're pretty big topics.

694
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you've kind of almost started to

695
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: open that. Yeah. I think a lot of people that

696
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: fall ill with you know, cronic fatigue, cancer, any of

697
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: these things. Yeah, and you know, I'm no doctor. I'm

698
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 3: just going to clarify that. I think they often can

699
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: have that high achiever people pleasing, you know, fear of

700
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: judgment personality within them. A lot of people that I

701
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: met in the waiting rooms, you know, we would discuss

702
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 3: our personality types. So yeah, yeah, and people that were

703
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: people pleasers, that were always trying to fix everyone else.

704
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: And I didn't really understand how important it was to

705
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: disconnect from trying to fix my loved one stuff until

706
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: I was in the jungle. Yeah. A celebrity, Yeah, get

707
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: me out of here. That was I don't even know

708
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 3: what year that was. I'm lost, I've got.

709
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: I've got, let me fine. A Celebriwan Apprentice was twenty fifteen.

710
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm a sleeping out here twenty seventeen.

711
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: Seventeen, Oh my gosh, it was according to Google.

712
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be wrong. Wikipedia is a little bit

713
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: here you're going. And then I've got capital let as

714
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: Schizeburgo and so low. That's why we get along so well.

715
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, I was in a jungle. We had a

716
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: psychologist in there, and everyone was kind well not everyone,

717
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 3: but a lot of people were using that psychologist a

718
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 3: lot because we were on camera twenty four to seven

719
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: and anything that we wanted to get out was going

720
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: to be you know, broadcast to the whole country. Yeah,

721
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: if we wanted to go and speak to the psychologists

722
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: outside of the camp. We could do that, and I

723
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: was trying to be I do that. That's pretty awesome. Yeah, yeah,

724
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: because it's really hard to explain how much goes on

725
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: in your head. When you're sitting around twenty four hours day.

726
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: You're probably sleeping for seven of that with a few

727
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: naps thrown in if you can get a nap in.

728
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: There's a lot of time to think and dissect every

729
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 3: part of your entire life up to that date.

730
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: Is it like, are the challenges as horrible as they look?

731
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah? Ten times? People think that we're like getting

732
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: fed like musleibars and stuff and going back to a

733
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 3: hotel and like everything you see it's ten times worse.

734
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 3: Oh really Yeah. Yeah, it's really hard, but also the

735
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: best experience of my life because.

736
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: I've seen I think there was one season. I don't

737
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: know which one, but is it Laura dunder Vich. Yes,

738
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: she was like get me.

739
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 3: Out of here, like I hate Yeah, she didn't leave.

740
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 3: I think she got voted out because she wasn't doing

741
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: the challenge and I don't blame it, like they wanted

742
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 3: her to swim around in an entire pool of elephant

743
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 3: poo and get some stars out, and she's just like,

744
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm not going to be that Miss

745
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 3: Universe page and cheek that float like seems around in Pooh. Yeah. I,

746
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: on the other hand, I done. I'm fine with you.

747
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: It's more like scorpions And.

748
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 3: Okay, I did the scorpions. I don't know if you

749
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 3: saw that my Instagram if you go down, there's this

750
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 3: challenge where we had to make a puzzle in a

751
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 3: box of scorpions and it was me versus Nazim, the comedian,

752
00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: and yeah, they were clowing and scratching, and I just

753
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just a bit of a psycho

754
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 3: when it comes to competitive I'm so competed. Did you

755
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 3: win that one? Yeah, it sounds like it was actually

756
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: won that anything. Like, I just I'm so competitive to

757
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 3: the point it's sometimes detrimental.

758
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: Scorpionside mate, so that obviously when it's poisonous.

759
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: Ones, no, no, but they were definitely pincing and scratching

760
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: and yeah, yeah the other thing I did, so I

761
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 3: was getting called I was getting called Miss Pooniverse because

762
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: I did the Pooh challenge.

763
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: I'd totally do a pool challenge.

764
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: I was in this tank and they just kept dumping

765
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: elephant pool on me, like there was no point to

766
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 3: the challenge apart from just like completely destroying my ego

767
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 3: in front of the whole country. I saw the interview

768
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: you did right after you got out, and it was

769
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: and they were like, and how are you going.

770
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: With all the they asked you about, like the gossip

771
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: in the camp. It sounded like people were getting pissed

772
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: off at people still have food.

773
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 3: And yeah, I saw someone socks. It became sock Gate,

774
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 3: very dramatic.

775
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess it's like a heightened reality.

776
00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: Really.

777
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, because there's nothing to do, so it's like

778
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 3: imagine being locked in, you know, a small lounge room

779
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 3: with ten people that you don't you know, there's always

780
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: a few people that you have a lot in homew

781
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 3: Like I was really close to Natbas and Lisa, Cai

782
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: and Kira, but the rest of us like we're from

783
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 3: completely different worlds. Like we had Tom Arnold in there,

784
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 3: like he's name dropping twenty fourth sever That's all he

785
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 3: did was name drop, and you'd sit there being like yep, yep,

786
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: when can I get away from you? Oh? Wait, I

787
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 3: can't get away from you you're next to my bed.

788
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing.

789
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: Like, and even on celeb Apprentice, I imagine you feel

790
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: pretty quick if something.

791
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 3: Because reality is as cool as media.

792
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: Is in this world, is it attracts a lot of

793
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: dingoes or people that want to be famous for the

794
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 1: sake of being famous.

795
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 3: Love that you call them dingo? Do you know what

796
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 3: I mean? Though?

797
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: Like, and so you can feel pretty quick. You can

798
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: feel it in an event, mate, Like I'll be like,

799
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: oh God, I'm going to smile at you, but slowly

800
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: walk away.

801
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 3: This was that these were people that had stories and

802
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 3: were actual celebrities. Now every influencer who's bought fifty k

803
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: fake followers thinks like it's so bad in the real world, Yeah,

804
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 3: it's like done, I have followers. What have you done

805
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 3: to you know? I don't know, Like it just triggers

806
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 3: me a little bit, so hard to build a following.

807
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, same same.

808
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: And we were just saying before this went on, I

809
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: was like, did you use what lose followers?

810
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: Like six D And you're like, it's okay, yes, it's

811
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: normal to stay to like stay.

812
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: Now saying to like, if you're maintaining your followers now

813
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 3: because people aren't clicking follow anymore. People are actually just

814
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: doing clean outs. Yeah, if you're maintaining your following, you're

815
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:39,479
Speaker 3: doing well.

816
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that and that's thank you.

817
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: That's like I lost six hundred the other day and

818
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: I was like, what have I done? And it was

819
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: just obviously an Instagram clean out because everyone has a

820
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: certain follow portion of fake followers because of all these

821
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 3: bots and stuff companies that are just making thousands and

822
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: thousands of fake followers and then Instagram comes through and

823
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: cleans them out every now thenrazy.

824
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: I think the messages because I get asked a lot

825
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: about social media as well. Just be real, be organic,

826
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: don't buy anything fake, and in the long run, that

827
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: will keep in goods totally.

828
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 3: If you're buying a fake following, you know, these people

829
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 3: aren't going to buy from you. If you promote a

830
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: product for a client, they're not going to buy from

831
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: the client, which means you're never going to work with

832
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: the client again. There's actually no point apart from you know,

833
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: fueling your ego, which is dangerous. Like if you need

834
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 3: to buy twenty fake followers just for your ego, you

835
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 3: need to do some work. Call it out. Oh I

836
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 3: love it.

837
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to quickly hit on.

838
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: You have an interesting life in that you do all

839
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: these great things. Your whole stop, your whole kind of

840
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: like value system is very positive.

841
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: Very empowering, very real, very honest.

842
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 1: Like you'll sit and be like, hey, guys, blah blah blah,

843
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: like you've got this really bubbly, happy, really lovely personnel.

844
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: Yet the media somehow manages to find headlines like last

845
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: week you were wearing this incredible like rose gold coppery

846
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: kind of gown, like beautiful.

847
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 3: People tell them to google this story. What should they google?

848
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 3: Just take them out and delims. I think it's the

849
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 3: first one that comes up, because you know, there was

850
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 3: three amazing no, that was like twelve amazing articles, but

851
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: that one's the one that's surfaced to the top because

852
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: no one cares about the positive articles.

853
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: So the story was literally that you had those sea

854
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: through shoes on.

855
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so I had see through perspect pointed shoes on,

856
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: and I know these shoes sweat, like have you ever worn? Yes?

857
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: They do everyone, And so I've I've been at the

858
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: races before and four girls have all put our foot

859
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 3: out and we've all had like these you can see

860
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: like that your foot starts to just it's not sweat,

861
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: it's like just like condensation. Yeah, and I just thought

862
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: it'd be fine because it's such a short night and

863
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 3: I'll be sitting under the table and then we'll notice

864
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: before you know it. But yeah, so I've obviously got

865
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: a bit of condensation on the red carpet and they're

866
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 3: heading I kind of want to get it up.

867
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: I'll get it.

868
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 3: It's like hits the red carpet with painfully squished toes

869
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 3: and they were talking about it being you know, she

870
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 3: usually does well on the carpet, but this is definitely

871
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: one of her fashion knows. I'm just gonna you know,

872
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: you should google guys taking mark squished toe. Yeah, but

873
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: that's what I mean, like how and it's so it

874
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: is fashion fail. They've caught it. So this is this

875
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: is why I brought it up with lolls. Yes, say,

876
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, we should we should tell them this because

877
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 3: it's it's a failure. Like I'm apparently I've failed, and

878
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 3: it's just so ridiculous.

879
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: The best thing is you're here having a laugh about it.

880
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: But I mean that's just one of like I'm sure

881
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: you could this is what happened last week. Yeah, I know,

882
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: showing me the photo of these, like the zoom on

883
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: my toes.

884
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 3: It's actually quite gorgeous shoes. And the worst of this

885
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 3: whole thing is they've got ads for bunyans no that

886
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 3: I missed. I'm like, now they've told everyone I've got bunions.

887
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 3: But you can laugh about it. That's amazing.

888
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: But like, how how do you handle when there is

889
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: needative pressed? Like you know that sometimes I'll be pressed

890
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: about a relationship break well, they'll be pressed about.

891
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 3: Things doing wrong. Thing Like, there's so many articles out

892
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 3: there that are bad, but there's also way more good ones,

893
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 3: and I really try and focus on that because I

894
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: know within myself that I'm a good person and if

895
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: the people within my small network tell me I've done

896
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 3: something wrong or that it's a disaster, I'll take it on.

897
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: If anyone else outside of that says anything, I just

898
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 3: I just don't. I just have to let it go

899
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: because if I was to take on every bit of

900
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 3: criticism that was out there, I wouldn't get out of bed.

901
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, big time. Do you think it's an Australian

902
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: thing like the whole tall poppy?

903
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, because yeah, people seem to be able

904
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: to talk themselves up and say they're a hero in

905
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 3: America and everyone's like, yeah, you're a hero. Yeah, and.

906
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to find out what you did your access costs.

907
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: Got a really good Indian one too. Oh really yeah, yeah, no,

908
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 3: I won't go there. I'm just good at accents. Really yeah.

909
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: I think it makes stories funnier. And I like to

910
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 3: be cut.

911
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: Can you do a pomeiac like British? Yeah, go on,

912
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: give us a little while.

913
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 3: Ill God, hold on Monday to get in the zone.

914
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 3: So much fun. Now this is changed, like accent, I can't,

915
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: I can't. You need to give me a sentence. I

916
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: don't know, Like I had painfully squished toes and then

917
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: I got so much criticism for it. Yes, I didn't

918
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: want to say any things. I wanted to go to

919
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 3: natural back to that. I my first article that was like,

920
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: oh my god, I feel like the whole country's watching

921
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,959
Speaker 3: me was the week after I won. I was down.

922
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 3: They'd set me up. I was down on the Bondi

923
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 3: ice skating rink on the It was recorded as the

924
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 3: windiest day of the year, and they I wrapped up

925
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 3: with a skirt on and they told me they were

926
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 3: bringing me pants for the shoot, and they didn't bring

927
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: the pants, so I had to shoot on the ice

928
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: skating Windy Star the year in my miniskirt, and my

929
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: skirt blew up and my entire bum with my g

930
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 3: string was headlines across the world, not only in Australia.

931
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 3: I had a friend saying, my friend in Czech Republic

932
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: just sent me a photo of your your um yeah,

933
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 3: and I was mortified, Like I'd never been papped before.

934
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 3: I didn't know what a pap. How was I think

935
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: I was twenty one when I Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah,

936
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 3: So it was really hard for me, and I've you know,

937
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 3: I've struggled and it's been a journey of trying to

938
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: figure out how to navigate this industry. And it was

939
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: really hard when I was younger. And that's why I

940
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: think the girls that win the competition when they're a

941
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: little bit older, they've already come into themselves and they

942
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: they're really tough. Yeah, they probably do better, but in

943
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 3: saying that, I also had more time to capitalize on

944
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 3: winning and doing things with it. So pros and cons

945
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 3: to winning earlier or later, but I did winning rehund.

946
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: I was quite young, and yeah, trying to adjust to

947
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: having a profile from not from sweeping floors as a headdresser.

948
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 2: Like that's crazy.

949
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,479
Speaker 1: That was your butt like all over the world. Yeah,

950
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: that's neck level. It's different like squishy toes exactly.

951
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 3: You know. I felt I felt really exposed. I was like, oh,

952
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 3: my gosh, waste my life now.

953
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: When you when you message me, You've done the news

954
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: headlines and you've said to me like fat relationships, you

955
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: bum everywhere. And I just didn't realize. I was like, okay,

956
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: like they're just like I didn't. I didn't quite realize,

957
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: and like.

958
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, the the fact that it had traveled around the

959
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: world and it was like miss Universe Australia has an

960
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 3: accident on the ice. I'm like, hold on a second.

961
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: I I was supposed to be given pants. I wore

962
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 3: a g string because I was supposed to be skating

963
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 3: in pants. You don't skate in the wind on the

964
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 3: winter day of the year. But it's not just like

965
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: a little bit of it. It's like my entire bending

966
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 3: down and it's my entire call it.

967
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 2: So what they call it, I don't know, I don't say.

968
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: But apparently that's that's.

969
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: Now that we're onto the topic of paps and no

970
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: one's talked about it on this podcasts or anything anything

971
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: that's been like.

972
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's another moment, go for it. What was

973
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 3: your question?

974
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: But like with pap where you're just like getting papped

975
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: or or you just like how they that just happened.

976
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: So I won't mention any names. But one of my

977
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: partners and I broke up. Why do I sound like

978
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 3: I've had millions of boyfriends. I was going through a

979
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: breakup and I was driving out to Botany Bay in Sydney.

980
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: I think I was like dropping off the keys or

981
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 3: something like. It was. It was towards the very end

982
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 3: of the breakup, and no one knew that were breaking up,

983
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 3: and I think I was going through one of those

984
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: moments where you're going through a breakup where you're like,

985
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 3: oh my god, I don't want to break up. I

986
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 3: want to be with you, Like yeah, yeah, And you

987
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 3: know it wasn't necessarily me that broke up with him

988
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 3: or anything, but I was just having a moment and

989
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 3: I wanted to be close to him, and I was

990
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: out giving the key back, but also like like I

991
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 3: was like, can we just hug can I hold you

992
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: like I'm not coping kind of thing. And they'd followed

993
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: me from an event on a on a little scooter

994
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 3: out to Botany Bay, like he worked out in the

995
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 3: middle of nowhere, and we were having a bit of

996
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 3: a moment and he'd kind of like pulled my pulled

997
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 3: my jumpsuit up, and my whole bum was out again.

998
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 3: And I remember being there with him being so in

999
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: the moment because it was I was so heartbroken at

1000
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 3: the time, and this guy, I just remember hearing this

1001
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 3: and I turned around and he was so far away

1002
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 3: with obviously the longest lens ever, and he got me.

1003
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: It was the second bum moment I've had a few,

1004
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 3: but yeah, it was. It was hard for me because

1005
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I don't I didn't care

1006
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 3: about the fact that someone had saw the corner of

1007
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,959
Speaker 3: my cheek cheeky bum. That's fine. I'm a model. I've

1008
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 3: been in much less than that. What I cared about

1009
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 3: was that, in that really intimate, personal, personal, really really

1010
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: hard moment, that person had followed me out into the

1011
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: depths of you know, sit like way out of Sydney

1012
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: to yeah, to expose that moment. What did your ex

1013
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: partner at the time, do I mean he was coming

1014
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 3: towards the end of the relationships, it's probably like later. No. No,

1015
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 3: he was really good. He's always he always kind of

1016
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 3: supported me. He was really great with knowing the industry

1017
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 3: and knowing that there were some days that I'd come

1018
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 3: home and be like, oh, babe, this has happened today.

1019
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: And that's the thing about the industry. And that's what

1020
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: I've struggled with the most because I am I'm really

1021
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 3: just like a happy go lucky from Newcastle. Yeah you are,

1022
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 3: you are, but like sometimes just to coach netball, I'm

1023
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 3: really not. But I wasn't like one of those people

1024
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 3: like born to be in the life, you know, like

1025
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 3: I could have easily led a very normal life and

1026
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 3: been very happy. It's hard when you're having a really

1027
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 3: nice day and then you get like a message and

1028
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: you're like someone's like have you seen this? And you're like, oh,

1029
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 3: but yeah, I really unless it's something really nasty, it doesn't.

1030
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 3: It doesn't try not to let me. I'm not gonna

1031
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: say it doesn't affect me, because you know it does

1032
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: affect you, right, Yeah, we can feel that.

1033
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: I do feel it.

1034
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: You do feel it, and it's like, how do these

1035
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: people sleep at night?

1036
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: But I think as well, And this is where I

1037
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: think you're already doing this, but it's using it to

1038
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: then and be like, actually, I'm going to turn this

1039
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: into yeah, making me stronger, And that's what I kind

1040
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: of want to get to. I'm so bad that we're

1041
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: gonna have a sec to get to. This is now

1042
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: that you have had these kind of like little I

1043
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't even call them bumps in the road or even feelings,

1044
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: just like these moments of feeling shit basically, which is

1045
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: part of life lessons? What's like the ultimate? And I

1046
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: didn't say this was going to be in the podcast?

1047
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: What's like the ultimate for you?

1048
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 3: Like?

1049
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: Where are you in two years from now?

1050
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 3: Where are you?

1051
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: Like, like if nothing else mattered right now, then we're

1052
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: contracts in place forget that like specific like what would.

1053
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 3: You be doing? Oh gosh, I know such a big one.

1054
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 3: I feel like people are so okay. So I want

1055
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 3: to touch on this because I feel like people are

1056
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 3: so sure of their like life mission. Sometimes it really

1057
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 3: intimidates me. I've always been someone where opportunit have popped

1058
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 3: up and I kind of haven't want I haven't known

1059
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: that I wanted it, and then it's popped up and

1060
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 3: I've been like, I really want this, Like I'm so

1061
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 3: glad this has come to me. And I think as

1062
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 3: long as I stay as in tune with my intuition

1063
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: as possible and let that kind of be my compass,

1064
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 3: I'll find it. But I actually don't know what it is.

1065
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 3: And I said to my friend the other day, I'm

1066
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 3: having a conversation about trying to figure out what we

1067
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: what's our mission, and what we want to, you know,

1068
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 3: make our mission so that we can live in alignment

1069
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 3: with that. And I said to her, I'm actually so

1070
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: sick of like there're being this kind of self development

1071
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 3: movement of everyone having to know their life mission, and

1072
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 3: I actually just want to break my life down into

1073
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: mini projects. So I think of it as like this

1074
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: is my next project, and this is my current this

1075
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 3: is my current mission statement. This is what I want

1076
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 3: at the moment, but that doesn't mean that's what I'm

1077
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: going to want in two or three years time. I

1078
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, So you know, there's definitely things like

1079
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 3: I'd love to have my own show, particularly in the

1080
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Speaker 3: health or wellness industry or something around you know, building confident.

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Speaker 3: It's for young women. I think there's definitely some passion

1082
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 3: and fire and me to make a difference and teach

1083
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Speaker 3: young girls to look after their body from a young

1084
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: age because I was been drinking, binge drinking, partying, doing

1085
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Speaker 3: all the wrong things, and that definitely has kind of

1086
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: spiraled into my fatigue. And I don't want other girls

1087
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 3: to have to, you know, wind up with chronic fatigue

1088
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 3: when they're trying to figure out who they are, because

1089
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Speaker 3: it's taken me years to overcome it and it's really

1090
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 3: freaking hard. And I don't know that everyone would have

1091
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 3: played detective for six years like I did and figured

1092
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 3: it out like totally totally, you know. I know people

1093
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 3: would have just been like, this is too hard.

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Speaker 2: You've touched on one other thing that I'm like, yes,

1095
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: I want to go there. Mini projects I love.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I think that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm going to be like, this is my

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00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: mini project for the next year or whatever.

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Speaker 3: I love that good because I thought I was like,

1100
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: I'm just going to be a bit left here and

1101
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: say you don't need to know your life mission at

1102
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Speaker 3: twenty seven years old.

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Speaker 1: And I think it like you said, it's going to

1104
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: there is ebbs and flows. It is going to change.

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00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: And I think the thing that you're saying as well,

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00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: you're open. You're very open to what calms and you're

1107
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: almost in this state of in psychology they call it flow.

1108
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 3: Yes, And I do you know dabbling, radio dabbling, television dabbling,

1109
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 3: public speaking, am seeing events, modeling, you know, social media,

1110
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,479
Speaker 3: pr like I I don't know. I love I love

1111
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 3: the diversity. Yea. I love not waking up and just

1112
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Speaker 3: thinking this is my day again. Yeah, totally.

1113
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a little free spirit I am, Yeah, which

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00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: I love. You did just touch on though, binge drinking

1115
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: and not looking after your body when you were a

1116
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: bit younger, did were you dietter or Oh?

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00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: So in Paris they were measuring me every couple of days.

1119
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 3: So my so before I went to Paris, the agency

1120
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 3: said to me, you can't come unless you get your

1121
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 3: hips down. They're two yeah, and I was going to

1122
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: be tiny, tiny time European markets very different to hear.

1123
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 3: I was working quite well here. But yeah, no, they

1124
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: were like, just don't come if you can't get your

1125
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 3: hips down. And so my mom, poor mom, like she

1126
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: could see this little girl that just wanted this so

1127
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 3: badly that she did. She helped me, she measured me.

1128
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 3: She's like, oh teasy getting there kind of thing. And

1129
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 3: it was it was very healthy in a way. She

1130
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 3: was helping me eat really healthy and she was making

1131
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 3: sure I was eating regularly, like salads and healthy things.

1132
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: But when I left Mum's guidance and was over in

1133
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: Paris and I was going in and they were making

1134
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: me strip down naked in front of a table bookers

1135
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 3: and measure me, it became very unhealthy. There was you know,

1136
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 3: first of all, it started off with eating less. Then

1137
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 3: it started with running for you know, an hour and

1138
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 3: a half a day and eating less. Then it became

1139
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: a point where I was like bleimic because I just

1140
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 3: couldn't get my measurements down. And fortunately it stopped after

1141
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 3: I came home because the commercial market here is so

1142
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 3: you know, like we love a bit of curves and

1143
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 3: we love health health.

1144
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's definitely been dieting throughout my Australian time

1146
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 3: as a model. But then you know, extreme dieting and

1147
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 3: a dangerous period in Europe. How little did you have

1148
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 3: to get I can't remember what the measurements were, But

1149
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 3: I've always been quite lanky and little. I don't really

1150
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 3: put on weight anywhere but my hips, my luck love

1151
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 3: handle area that's kind of my and so I can

1152
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 3: look quite funny because I can be putting on weight

1153
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 3: that it can just be like I'm really really skinny,

1154
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 3: that it just goes out where the life. That's also

1155
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 3: where women of like natural healthy women. Yeah, yeah, I know.

1156
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 3: It's really sad that I did that to myself. And

1157
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 3: that's where my passionate desire comes in speaking to young

1158
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 3: women about like please, girls, don't binge, drink, don't take drugs,

1159
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 3: don't do these things that could, you know, destroy your

1160
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 3: immune system and set you up for a period of

1161
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: like you know, no social life, not being able to

1162
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 3: continue with your career goals, not being able to finish

1163
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 3: your degree. Like they say that chronic fatigue can hit

1164
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 3: you in different stages, and the stage that it hits

1165
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 3: you in, like the late teens early twenties, can be

1166
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 3: one of the most detrimentous. Yeah, because you haven't figured

1167
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 3: yourself out. Yeah yeah, it's like and when right in

1168
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 3: the middle of where you're supposed to be like doctors.

1169
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: Like you've actually just got mental health problems. It's like

1170
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: takes Mandy to presence. That's not the best way to

1171
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: probably unpack or process or hand or treat.

1172
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and then you start thinking maybe it's

1173
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 3: easy in my head like yeah, and then it would

1174
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: be having an effect on your mental health anyway.

1175
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 2: Which you touched totally. Yeah, yeah, Oh my god, I

1176
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 2: could talk to you all day.

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00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 3: I get very off topic.

1178
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: I love thank you for going deep, and thank you

1179
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 1: for talking about and sharing the eating stuff too, because

1180
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: I know.

1181
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 3: I haven't talked about as much as a lot of

1182
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 3: girls in this industry do because I'm like, I don't know.

1183
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 3: It's a hard one, isn't it.

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00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: It's hard as well when when you say you're too

1185
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: kind of like Achilles Heels a judgment and people please Yeah,

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00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: I can see how you would get to Paris and

1187
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: be like, yes, okay, I want to do what you

1188
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: need of me, and I don't want to judge me

1189
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: poorly because I'm already looking validation from you guys, and

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Speaker 1: I want to do a really good job because I'm

1191
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: an a type personality, so I can understand looking at

1192
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: it from the outside and probably looking back with perspective

1193
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: going oh yeah, but if they're you're two kind of

1194
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: Achilles heels, you're naturally going to go down that past.

1195
00:54:58,239 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: Like I've got a history of eating disorders and I

1196
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: get afraid of judgment and had.

1197
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 3: Grew up with very low self worth and so it was.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like the concoction and the recipe for having

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Speaker 1: eating disorder and you know, need to control. And I

1200
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: actually just watched an interview when this this, when this

1201
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: podcast comes out, this movie probably won't be like brand swagny,

1202
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: But I saw The Joker.

1203
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 3: On the weekend. Okay, so you know the moon, Yeah,

1204
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 3: what in Phoenix? And he had to strip down heaps

1205
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 3: of weight.

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00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: And I watched interview and they said, you know, wasn't

1207
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: really hard, and he said, for about a week, it

1208
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: was really hard.

1209
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: And he said, and then it becomes so empowering.

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00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: He goes, it's like something switches in your mind because

1212
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: you're taking control. And he was like, it's a controlling thing,

1213
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, ah, it's so much more than just

1214
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: eating broccoli, And you know, it becomes this.

1215
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 3: Kind of like so many things in your life are

1216
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 3: out of your control, and when you realize that this

1217
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 3: is something that you can and you start looking at

1218
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 3: yourself in the mirror and going I'm doing this like

1219
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 3: this is I'm capable of changing this. It's it's more.

1220
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 3: It's more than just looking good, isn't it.

1221
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 2: It's total mind games.

1222
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you opening up about that and making

1223
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: a safe space for young women to feel like, you know, yeah,

1224
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: I just want them to know how dangerous it can

1225
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: be to have, you know, a period of you know,

1226
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 1: being bolliemic or you know, being drinking, or it really

1227
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: can be too much for your little teenage body to handle.

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00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: And I'll finish on this analogy because it really helped me.

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00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 3: But my doctor that I ended up really loving said

1230
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 3: to me, think of your body as a bucket. And

1231
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 3: we might have a little bit of stress from being

1232
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 3: late to work, a little bit of stress from my

1233
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 3: mum yelling at us. We might have a little bit

1234
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 3: of alcohol from the weekend, and we have you know,

1235
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 3: some machas that we have when we're hungover, and then

1236
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: we have our friends, you know, talking shit about us,

1237
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 3: and we're throwing it in and it gets to the

1238
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 3: point where the bucket overflows, and that's where the disease

1239
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 3: and the illness comes in. And so if you're kind

1240
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 3: of just living a relatively healthy, healthy lifestyle and going

1241
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 3: I'm going to minimize as much as I can of this.

1242
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 3: So I'm going to choose this healthy meal over macs today,

1243
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 3: or I'm going to choose to go and have a

1244
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 3: movie night with my girlfriend instead of going out and

1245
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 3: binge drinking. I'm going to choose not to be stressed

1246
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 3: about the fact that I'm late and just understand that

1247
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 3: that's just life. And you're kind of you're kind of

1248
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 3: bringing things out of the bucket and not adding things in.

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00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: You know.

1250
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 3: That's how I think of my health now, is just

1251
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 3: every moment that I can, I choose the better option

1252
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 3: because I know that my bucket. I don't want my

1253
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 3: buck to overflow. I love it the bucket analogy. You

1254
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 3: just write that in a book, mate, right. Thank you

1255
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 3: so much.

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00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: You are such a sweet human being, and I'm so

1257
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: excited to just keep watching your star keep rising and shining.

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00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: It's so nice to watch you succeed if and love it.

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00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 3: Oh, thanks, love, I love watching your journey too. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm att he Lollaberry. This potty my word

1263
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1264
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,280
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