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Speaker 1: Now joining me in the studio right now is Travis Wurst,

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Speaker 1: who is the Assistant Commissioner for the Greater Darwin Region.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Assistant Commissioner.

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Speaker 2: Morning.

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Speaker 1: Hang on, let me make sure I've got that microphone on.

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Speaker 1: I'll try that again. Good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Good morning.

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Speaker 3: How are you very well?

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Speaker 1: Now, before I get into some of the issues that

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Speaker 1: we've spoken about with crime, we do know this. Earlier

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Speaker 1: in the week, the IKAC Commissioner announced that he's going

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Speaker 1: to be investigating allegations of improper conduct relating to the

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Speaker 1: arrest and charge of mister Zachary Rolf, saying that the

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Speaker 1: investigation will focus upon the period between the shooting incident

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Speaker 1: and the presentation of mister Rolf for charging.

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Speaker 3: Now, Assistant Commissioner, I know.

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Speaker 1: That there probably isn't a great deal that you can

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Speaker 1: tell me at this point in time. Were police surprised

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Speaker 1: that the IQAC announced that this investigation would get underway.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure whether it was surprised or not, but

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Speaker 4: we will certainly ensure that we cooperate with investigation to

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Speaker 4: allow it to deliver an outcome. And whilst that's underway,

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Speaker 4: there's a little more I can say, well, look.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I do want to speak

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Speaker 1: to you about, and I know that you and I

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Speaker 1: have spoken about this on quite a few.

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Speaker 3: Occasions, is some of the issues that we're.

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Speaker 1: Seeing around the territory at the moment with anti social

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Speaker 1: behavior and public drunkenness. We did just catch up with Paul,

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Speaker 1: a business owner in Coconut Grove. There has Coconut Grove

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Speaker 1: been a concern for you guys in recent weeks.

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Speaker 4: Well, in the last seventy two hours or so, we've

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Speaker 4: had a number of I know there was a robbery

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Speaker 4: reported there yesterday, which you reported on that yesterday, where

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Speaker 4: two young young males, whether they were used or not,

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Speaker 4: are not entirely sure, robbed a lady at about two

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Speaker 4: thirty in the afternoon. That similar investigation, and that kind

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Speaker 4: of behavior in broad daylight is not it's just entirely unacceptable.

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Speaker 4: The individuals involved in that behavior behaving in a way

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Speaker 4: that is not acceptable in our community or any community.

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Speaker 4: Now we know in that area there's lots of itinerant

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Speaker 4: people living rough from various remote communities. I can tell

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Speaker 4: your listeners that yesterday task was tried and with our

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Speaker 4: dog Operations unit have recovered five style of motor vehicles

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Speaker 4: in that area and may go back to the story.

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Speaker 2: That you just had from Paul.

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Speaker 4: I don't know necessarily if they link back to his

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Speaker 4: particular story, but his scenario was heartfelt. People put their

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Speaker 4: reckless individuals who undo that in a moment's notice, and

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Speaker 4: it's just despicable behavior. We took two young men into

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Speaker 4: custody that were from a remote community, who were living

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Speaker 4: behavior links all the way back to their remote community and.

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Speaker 2: Now they are currently in custody under investigation.

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Speaker 4: So that's just one example of what is happening across

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Speaker 4: the Greater Dalen area. It's happening on a daily basis. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: we're still seeing the large numbers of people living rough.

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Speaker 4: I get asked questions about, you know, what is the

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Speaker 4: catalyst and why these people here. We've talked about why

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Speaker 4: we think they're here. Why they've remained here, I would

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Speaker 4: suggest is purely based on the access to alcohol. People

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Speaker 4: say that why isn't the BDR helping to stop this?

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Speaker 4: And interestingly, if you've come from a remote community where

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Speaker 4: alcohol is not available and you haven't been in police

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Speaker 4: custody or self referred previously because of alcohol, you're not

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Speaker 4: going to go on the meday right now. In Darwen, access

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Speaker 4: to takeaway alcohol is unrestricted. You've got access to take

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Speaker 4: awy alcohol from ten until ten most days. Also on premise,

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Speaker 4: drinking is obviously available to everyone. So access to alcohol

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Speaker 4: in Darwin is one of the main reasons that people

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Speaker 3: Travis.

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Speaker 1: Earlier in the week we caught up with the Chief

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Speaker 1: Bitister and we spoke about that return to Country program.

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Speaker 1: He said that there'd been about four hundred people returned

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Speaker 1: to country over the last month, but prior to that,

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Speaker 1: the three months prior there really hadn't been many sentime

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Speaker 4: So we had high numbers go back in December, and

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Speaker 4: then they dropped off markedly after that, so around two

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Speaker 4: It will get up to four hundred from today because

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Speaker 4: What we are seeing is a lot of people going

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Speaker 4: We are seeing spikes. Spikes is the wrong word. We're

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Speaker 4: seeing an increase in activity that has all alcohol related.

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Speaker 4: It has anti social behavior at its heart, but it's

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Speaker 2: Alcohols in the mix.

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Speaker 4: These people don't behave like that when they're in the

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Speaker 2: It's just not acceptable.

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Speaker 1: Now from a police perspective, it must be difficult as well,

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Speaker 1: because if people are breaking like breaking laws, then Obviously

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Speaker 1: you know, these different things that the police can do

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Speaker 1: where you're not actually able to. I know it's not

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Speaker 2: So it's a really good point.

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Speaker 4: So we've had about one hundred people go through our

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Speaker 4: bursting at the seams. I've had about twelve hundred and

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Speaker 4: thirty people. Now that's a combination of police larakia are

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Speaker 4: doing a good job in that space. They're utilizing that

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Speaker 3: So essentially your work's gone up twenty percent.

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Speaker 4: Call volume has and look, yes, our people, it's not

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Speaker 4: next year. Our business is not changing. It is extremely busy.

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Speaker 4: with We've developed this new multi agency approach where Departner

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Speaker 4: so that when we've got all this antisocial behavior and

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Speaker 4: how all those opportunities that we're trying to maximize that workforce.

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Speaker 4: It's not a police problem. This is a multi agency

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Speaker 4: This is NLCO need to be in this space, which

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Speaker 1: Travels to those out there listening this morning who are

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Speaker 1: feeling really frustrated. And again, I know you and I

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Speaker 4: One of the things that happens historically in the in

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Speaker 4: We can't force people to go home. So I know

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Speaker 4: So there just isn't the availability of housing, emergency housing

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Speaker 3: Now I do want to ask you.

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Speaker 3: Is that right police on segway or is that the case.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting that he's indicating what he thinks is the case.

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Speaker 4: But look, we have been able to get resourcing back

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Speaker 4: a wonderful tool. I know the moll traders will be

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Speaker 4: they can be, to say that it's permanent. Something changes,

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Speaker 3: Now, Travis, before I let you go, I do want

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Speaker 1: We know that last week we received a couple of

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Speaker 1: phone calls from women in their sixties who had had

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Speaker 1: Palmerston on Tuesday. She was in her seventies, had her

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Speaker 1: phone and a handbag stolen getting off the bus at

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Speaker 1: Woodcroft Avenue. Have we got a situation here where people

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Speaker 1: are targeting women and those maybe a little bit older

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Speaker 1: because they're seen as an easy target.

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Look?

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Speaker 4: Not necessarily we do see bags snatching as a crime

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Speaker 4: trend that pops up from time to time. There are

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Speaker 4: no linkages between any of them that I can see.

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Speaker 4: The one at the shopping center that you spoke of.

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Speaker 4: The youth were identified very quickly. Police work really closely

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Speaker 4: with the security outfits that work at all of those

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Speaker 4: shopping centers, and I know that officers from Trient and

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Speaker 4: Frontline identified those youth, actually recovered the money, and I

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Speaker 4: believe all but fifty dollars was a.

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Speaker 2: Return to that woman.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't take away the trauma from what she was

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Speaker 4: exposed to from that particular offending, the matter you spoke

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Speaker 4: of at in Palmerston. Our adults are involved in that offending,

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Speaker 4: So we can't put this down to youth or one

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Speaker 4: particular cross section of society. It is behavior that it's

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Speaker 4: concerning and disturbing. It comes and goes. It is actually

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Speaker 4: a change in behavior, so it's not just simply basic

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Speaker 4: property offending. There's a livel of violence that's associated with

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Speaker 4: We're seeing that across the board. We're seeing this level

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Speaker 4: of violence increasing in the behavior of criminality that we're

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Speaker 4: being exposed to, the community being exposed to.

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Speaker 2: So it's a really disturbing trend.

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Speaker 4: We're actually doing some more work on understanding that there

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Speaker 4: at the moment so that we can work with our

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Speaker 4: partners to be able to address what the root cause

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Speaker 4: might be. Now it could be a raft for factors,

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Speaker 4: but for us to be able to address it, we

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Speaker 4: need to understand it better. And I'm happy to talk

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Speaker 4: further about that when i know more of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I reckon that'd be a good idea because

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Speaker 1: I know for a lot of people listening, particularly if

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Speaker 1: you are a woman in your sixties or even a

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Speaker 3: It's a bit bloody scary.

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Speaker 1: And then you think to yourself, yeah, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to walk into the shops and feel worried that I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be knocked over and have my bag flogged.

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Speaker 4: Now, I'm not going to provide commentary that's going to

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Speaker 4: scare people, but you just need to be aware of

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Speaker 4: your surroundings. Yep.

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Speaker 2: Same for business owners.

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Speaker 4: We're unfortunately seeing a bit of a trend where businesses

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Speaker 4: are not securing their premise. There's been a few over

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Speaker 4: the last couple of weeks, unfortunately, and that has led

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Speaker 4: to opportunistic criminals actually breaking into their premises and having

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Speaker 4: an impact on that business.

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Speaker 2: So there's small things that people.

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Speaker 4: Can do about looking after their own environment, making sure

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Speaker 4: that they are safe. There's websites out there that they

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Speaker 4: to manage their business premise better. Obviously, business qures an

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Speaker 4: much better prepared for. Unfortunately, the grubs that live in

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Speaker 4: our community that cause this pain to our business owners,

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Speaker 4: our residential sorry, our dwellings that get broken into the

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Speaker 4: residents in our community. I'm one of those. I'm not

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Speaker 4: unaffected by crime myself unfortunately, nor are the other police.

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Speaker 4: But I can tell you that our police we are

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Speaker 4: working twenty four to seven extremely hard, never being harder.

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Speaker 4: Our workload has probably never been higher, but they turn

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Speaker 4: up every day, they put on the uniform, they do

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Speaker 4: in an outstanding job in very tough circumstances, and I

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Speaker 4: think that's something that the publics sometimes don't see, and

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Speaker 4: I don't expect them to see it. But we're out

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Speaker 4: there twenty four seven and fighting hard to keep our

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Speaker 4: community safe. And sometimes the challenge gets away from us

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Speaker 4: because there's so much going on at one.

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Speaker 2: Point in time that we can't be everywhere at once.

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Speaker 4: So that's why it's so important for us to use

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Speaker 4: all of our partner agencies to help support us in

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Speaker 4: that twenty four to seven challenge that is about community safety.

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Speaker 1: Well, Travis Worths, the Assistant Commissioner for Greater Darwin, we

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,