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Speaker 1: It's joining us on the line is Just center Price,

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Speaker 1: well known territorian and also running at the next federal election.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, just.

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Speaker 2: Interer, Good morning, Katie, thank you so.

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Speaker 1: Much for your time. Now, I noticed over the weekend

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Speaker 1: you'd put a post about, well, unfortunately a situation where

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, Justinta, it's something that we're just hearing more

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it came as no surprise. You know, we've

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Speaker 2: my son's car. And it's really I mean, it came

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Speaker 2: in the fact that there is a hell of a

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Speaker 2: it just seems like the situation is not improving at all,

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Speaker 2: and we're just done with it, absolutely done with it.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's something that I've had raised to

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Speaker 1: just seems like there is you know that there's incidents

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. And you know, given us I've

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Speaker 2: solve some of these issues. You know. The other thing

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Speaker 2: And I'm just you know, will watch the Chief Minister

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Speaker 2: And as I said, we've just absolutely had a gutsful

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do, like, I honestly believe when it comes

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Speaker 1: Then you go into those house breakings, they're up forty

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt that Alice Springs has been going through

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you know, we hear absolutely nothing from our

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Speaker 1: What do you reckon needs to happen here? I mean,

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Speaker 2: Well, I've been talking about this for years. I've been

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Speaker 2: But there needs to be understanding, there needs to be

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Speaker 2: those sorts of things as well. But certainly we've got

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Speaker 1: Jacinta, Look, look, I agree with much of what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: take it really quite seriously, because the people of Alice

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Speaker 1: are hurting. Can I just ask, how's your son?

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Speaker 2: He's sick of seeing those situations. We buried his cousin

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Speaker 2: So he hasn't experienced that. But what he has experienced

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Speaker 2: They're feeling like they just simply can't get a good

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Speaker 1: It is just a situation that you should not be

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Speaker 1: going through. And look, I actually think it's really important

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Speaker 2: No problem, thank for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you justin Dry always appreciate your time. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: again soon