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Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the Daily Off.

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Speaker 2: This is the Daily OS.

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Speaker 1: Oh, now it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It is Thursday,

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Speaker 2: the thirty first of October. Happy Halloween.

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Speaker 1: I'm Billy, I'm Sam.

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Speaker 2: A new report into the federal government's response to COVID

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Speaker 2: nineteen has found it was not adequately prepared for a pandemic.

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Speaker 2: It also found that public trusting government has been eroded

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Speaker 2: and that more transparency around decisions made during a health

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Speaker 2: emergency is needed. Plus, it has recommended Australia establish a

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Speaker 2: new Center for Disease Control. What does all of that

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Speaker 2: mean We will explain in today's podcast. But before we

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Speaker 2: get there, Sam, what is making headlines today?

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Speaker 3: Prices rose by a two point eight percent in the

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Speaker 3: year two September twenty twenty four. That's according to new

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Speaker 3: figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics. The annual inflation

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Speaker 3: figure is down from the last quarter, when prices rose

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Speaker 3: three point eight percent over the previous year. This means

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Speaker 3: prices arising at a slower rate than before, and according

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Speaker 3: to the ABS, the slowing of inflation was driven by

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Speaker 3: discounts on energy bills from federal and state governments, which

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Speaker 3: came into effect in July. The cost of fuel also

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Speaker 3: fell from July to September, which the ABS said was

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Speaker 3: due to quote lower global demand bringing down the cost

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Speaker 3: of oil.

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Speaker 2: The Corruption WATCHDOCK has announced it will reconsider a decision

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Speaker 2: not to investigate several officials over the unlawful Robodet scheme.

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Speaker 2: Robodet was a debt collection system used by the government

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Speaker 2: from twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen. It resulted in over

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Speaker 2: one point seven billion dollars of unlawful debt notices. This year,

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Speaker 2: the Robodet Royal Commission found several Code of Conduct breaches

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Speaker 2: by senior officials who worked on the scheme. It then

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Speaker 2: made six referrals to the National Anti Corruption Commission, calling

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Speaker 2: for it to conduct further investigations. However, in June, the

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Speaker 2: National Anti Corruption Commission said it would not pursue these inquiries. Now,

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Speaker 2: the watchdog says it will reconsider its position after a

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Speaker 2: commissioner involved in its decision making processes failed to declare

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Speaker 2: a conflict of interest.

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Speaker 3: The owners of Wakari White Island in New Zealand have

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Speaker 3: launched an appeal against a conviction for breaching workplace safety laws.

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Speaker 3: A volcanic eruption on the island killed twenty two people,

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Speaker 3: including seventeen Australians in December of twenty nineteen. Last year,

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Speaker 3: an Auckland court found the owners of the island, Wakari

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Speaker 3: Management Limited, failed to uphold their health and safety obligations

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Speaker 3: at the time of the eruption. The company, owned by

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Speaker 3: three brothers, was ordered to pay millions in fines and

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Speaker 3: compensation to victims. This week, lawyers filed an appeal on

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Speaker 3: behalf of WML in Auckland's High Court, seeking to overturn

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Speaker 3: the criminal conviction, arguing that tour operators who brought visitors

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Speaker 2: Day's good news. A PhD student from Tulane University in

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Speaker 2: the US accidentally discovered a lost mine city in Mexico

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Speaker 2: under dense forest cover. Archaeologists uncovered temples and pyramids in

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Speaker 2: the city they've named Valeriana. Using laser survey technology. Researchers

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Speaker 2: were able to produce a digital recreation of monuments and

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Speaker 2: structures that would have existed beneath the greenery. PhD student

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Speaker 2: Luke called Thomas told the BBC that the three sites

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Speaker 2: were uncovered when he was quote on something like page

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Speaker 2: sixteen of Google search and found a laser survey done

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Speaker 3: Okay, so, Billy, this was an inquiry into how Australia

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Speaker 3: handled the COVID nineteen pandemic. Havn't done episode on COVID

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Speaker 3: in a little while before we get into what the

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Speaker 3: report actually said. What was the intention of government asking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So this inquiry was announced by the government in

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Speaker 2: Australia went with the benefit of hindsight, how did we

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Speaker 2: go in our response to the pandemic, not just looking

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Speaker 3: I've seen a couple of countries do similar reports, so

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Speaker 3: it's not like we're the first people in the world.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a really important thing to do, especially

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Speaker 2: I just want to point out that this report was

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Speaker 2: they did announce this inquiry was why aren't you including

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Speaker 3: Interesting?

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Speaker 2: I also just want to mention that it was fully independent.

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't the government looking into the government, or

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Speaker 3: It's different governments.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was done completely independently.

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Speaker 2: It was done by experts in public health, government and

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Speaker 3: Okay, so last September they said that they would like

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Speaker 3: this report to be written and these independent writers are

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Speaker 3: going to put it together. That report is now with

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Speaker 3: us and anyone can read it. What does it say?

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Speaker 2: So it was a nine hundred page report, nice and brief. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was very fun reading for my Tuesday night. It

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Speaker 1: First, I want to mention.

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Speaker 2: That although it did get to what did not go right,

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Speaker 2: did acknowledge that Australia was quote unquote recognized globally for

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Speaker 2: our response. And they said that although we lost too

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Speaker 2: many lives, we also saved thousands, and they said this

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Speaker 2: of what could have been done better. I'd say one

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Speaker 2: of the big findings was that trust has been eroded.

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Speaker 2: They used those words a lot, that trust has been eroded,

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Speaker 2: and they said that the population today are broadly more

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Speaker 2: And they said that the way to fix this is

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Speaker 2: by increasing transparency over how decisions are made and specifically

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Speaker 3: When we talk about this a lot in talking about

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Speaker 2: Yeah said that the lack of letting the public know

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Speaker 2: not the Australia we were before the pandemic. I know

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Speaker 2: There was no minxing their words, so I'll just quickly

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Speaker 2: us in ways that are hard to imagine. They also added,

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Speaker 3: I take back my comment about that being soothing. That's

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Speaker 3: quite disconcerting and really strong. Did the report go into

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Speaker 3: how COVID impacted different groups of people differently.

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Speaker 2: It also had a significant impact on the social and

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Speaker 2: For older Australians, it said that isolation was a big issue,

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Speaker 3: Interesting and it's also really important for the future and

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Speaker 3: he said Australia is less prepared for a pandemic now

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Speaker 3: than we were in twenty twenty. Was that from the report?

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Speaker 1: You know, haven't we learned?

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Speaker 2: But I guess that is what this whole report is about.

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Speaker 2: He did explain why he said that. He said, a

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Speaker 1: But that is why again this report is happening.

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Speaker 3: So the report basically paints this picture of a period

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Speaker 3: did relatively okay in the world, but there's ways to

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Speaker 3: do it better. What are those ways, according to the report.

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Speaker 2: So overall, there were nine recommendations that the report made

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Speaker 2: and they also made twenty six short and long term

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Speaker 2: what they called actions to improve Australia's response. One recommendation

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Speaker 2: that would include the possible health, economic and social response.

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Speaker 2: They also recommended reviewing the effectiveness of some economic support

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Speaker 3: And when I saw this, I thought, God, there's an

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess the senior health figure we were looking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this would be a national public health body

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping that we'll never have to hear from this

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, that's a body that I don't think

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