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<v Speaker 1>Christ Yeah, Welcome friends to the Christian O'Connell show podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Jackie Boy, tell me how you feel in today? This

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<v Speaker 2>is an interesting and exciting moment for you. Jack's got

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<v Speaker 2>an interview on a podcast, a brilliant podcast, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest ones in Australia called Imperfect and Jack is

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<v Speaker 2>a very deserved special guest on the brand new episode

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<v Speaker 2>out today.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for saying. Man, If I'm honest, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a not in my stomach right now about it coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a podcast I love. It's very vulnerable and open,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm very happy to listen to other people be vulnerable

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<v Speaker 1>and open. But when it's you in that hot seat,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very different experience, and I guess to that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm worried about just what the reaction would be for

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<v Speaker 1>people hearing it for the first time. I've spoken a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about on this show about what I went

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<v Speaker 1>through when Gordon was born and I struggled with postnatal

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<v Speaker 1>depression and it was something that I didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>it was at the time. I was very confused about

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on. It was very hard for me

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<v Speaker 1>to come into the show. It was a difficult period

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<v Speaker 1>of my life. And it's one thing to speak on

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<v Speaker 1>this show for ten minutes about it, but it's another

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<v Speaker 1>thing to sit down with those boys and speak at

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<v Speaker 1>length for over an hour about everything I've been through

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<v Speaker 1>over the last two years with Gordy and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know you've been on the show. How did you feel

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<v Speaker 1>when it was coming out?

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<v Speaker 2>Terrified? Really really terrified, you know when I went on,

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<v Speaker 2>and they do a great podcast and they're really friendly guys,

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<v Speaker 2>But honestly, when you go into this room, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>an interrogation room, and it's not them. It's just that

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<v Speaker 2>it's black curtains everywhere, and then there's lights in front

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<v Speaker 2>of you, then there's cameras, and so it's one thing

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<v Speaker 2>to like write a vulnerable post or even you know,

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<v Speaker 2>write a book that I did a couple of years

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<v Speaker 2>ago about having panic attacks, then to go in there

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<v Speaker 2>and talk about it for about two hours right being recorded.

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<v Speaker 2>You're being vulnerable as well. You're aware that people are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be able to watch me cry, not just

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<v Speaker 2>hear it. Yes, and it's all happening in there gently

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<v Speaker 2>basically an open heart surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the integratory irrigation scenes out of Sas, except

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<v Speaker 1>they're not yelling at you. They're going tell me your

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<v Speaker 1>deepest keep going, story.

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<v Speaker 2>Going, keep going, and it's I found it. I feared

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<v Speaker 2>what people would think about me, and actually, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>what really is going on? Actually you're not worried about

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<v Speaker 2>other people think about There's still probably some shame around it.

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<v Speaker 2>There was so many a couple of years ago when

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<v Speaker 2>it came out and I actually found it. It was

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<v Speaker 2>equivalent to a couple of years of therapy. I feared

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<v Speaker 2>judgment Jack, and all I got was so many emails

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<v Speaker 2>still getting today about my episode two odd years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I just got more and more connection because actually you

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<v Speaker 2>realize the more vulnerable you are, the deeper we connect

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<v Speaker 2>to people. And I've heard Jack's episode. I heard it

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<v Speaker 2>last week. It is incredible. This is a story of healing,

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<v Speaker 2>and you bravely go to heal. There was a loss

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<v Speaker 2>and a longing that you were feeling in your heart

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<v Speaker 2>for what happened when your son was bored. And it

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<v Speaker 2>will help people hear in this. They will I think

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<v Speaker 2>you'll normalize what it's like when we have tough times

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<v Speaker 2>in life, and no matter how you try and build

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<v Speaker 2>your life, to try and fly under the radio where

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<v Speaker 2>tough times won't come for you, they will. You're going

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<v Speaker 2>to find yourself from Tomas. You're going to find yourself

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<v Speaker 2>one day waking up and it feels like there's a

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<v Speaker 2>dark forest in your life and you don't know the

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<v Speaker 2>how a you're going to get out. Then you don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know how to go back to how it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the best thing you can do about that

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<v Speaker 2>is you've shared your story now. I mean, where you

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<v Speaker 2>are now is a magical pas karaoke with Gordon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know it's I'm a hugely different person who

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<v Speaker 1>I was two years ago in that moment. And that

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the feelings you feel when you struggling

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<v Speaker 1>with mental health or depression, is you feel so lonely

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<v Speaker 1>and isolated. You honestly feel like you are the only

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<v Speaker 1>person who feels this way. And the strange feelings I

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<v Speaker 1>had when I became a dad for the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>and you and pattern with lots of people I love

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<v Speaker 1>in my life who are parents, were saying, you'll love

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<v Speaker 1>Gordy so much, or you'll meet this new baby who

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<v Speaker 1>comes into your life and you'll love them like you've

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<v Speaker 1>never loved anything before. So I felt really strange when

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<v Speaker 1>that love and connection didn't come straight away from me,

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<v Speaker 1>and that made me feel really ashamed and made me

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<v Speaker 1>feel really isolated and a very difficult thing to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>And it took me a long time to open up

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<v Speaker 1>to people in my family. It took me a long

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<v Speaker 1>time to and I thank god I finally told you

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<v Speaker 1>as well, because I was coming in here every day

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<v Speaker 1>pretending that I was fine, and I wasn't fine. So

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<v Speaker 1>we had a lot of long chats in this studio

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<v Speaker 1>after the show, and I'm very thankful for those conversations,

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<v Speaker 1>and it helped me realize that by talking about it,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd lift a lot of that shame off. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about it for the first time on this

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<v Speaker 1>show and I got instead of people feeling like that

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<v Speaker 1>was a weird thing, I got a lot of messages

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<v Speaker 1>of support or messages of saying, hey, I went through this,

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<v Speaker 1>or my husband went through this, or my partner went

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<v Speaker 1>through this, and you're right, it only built connection.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I'm an order of you what you've been through, Jack,

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<v Speaker 2>And also what a gift is When you've been through

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<v Speaker 2>a tough time and you heal and you grow, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't diminish you it actually makes you more of you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're you're a you're a more loving, open empathetic person

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<v Speaker 2>because of what happened to you. And when I heard

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<v Speaker 2>the interview right and I ased you order to hear

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<v Speaker 2>it today, right, this is a joyful story Jack. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like you had a tough time and then you went

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<v Speaker 2>and got help. Something wasn't right, and you actually did

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<v Speaker 2>the brave thing that most people don't want to do,

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<v Speaker 2>is you want you wanted to go and face yourself

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<v Speaker 2>whatever was there, and actually sit down opposite yourself and

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<v Speaker 2>work out what is happening here, what's going on? And

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<v Speaker 2>then you grew through it and actually, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I know. You know a couple of weeks ago, when

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<v Speaker 2>you first invited to go on, you must have thought

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<v Speaker 2>about saying no.

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<v Speaker 1>I did, like, screw that definitely the first thought when

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<v Speaker 1>the invite came in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that no, No, an invitation to be vulnerable. No

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<v Speaker 2>fary easier to let your other people on the radio

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<v Speaker 2>about the importance of being vitable read my book. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to go and talk about it again. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>scared of being vulnerable, I said. He realized my wife

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<v Speaker 2>is going so let me restrang you. You've written a

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<v Speaker 2>book about the power of vulnerable. Yes, you talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it on the radio, but you don't want to go

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<v Speaker 2>and be vulnerable. No, but you expect other people to

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<v Speaker 2>be vulnerable. But you've done it, Jack, And what you

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<v Speaker 2>get throughout the whole chat with the boys is your

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<v Speaker 2>deep love for Gordon and your amazing wife as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Be glad, Oh my god. It shines through right a

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<v Speaker 2>from the beginning. And also because it's our boy, Jackie boy,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a very funny chat as well, all of

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<v Speaker 2>Jack is there. You will get something from the interview.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called the Imperfect, and I think it's a great title.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes we feel that we're broken and flawed in life,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're not. It's messy, it's hard being a human,

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes the best thing we can do is share

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<v Speaker 2>those messy, hard stories where we feel like we're coming undone.

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<v Speaker 2>But you weren't coming undone. It was actually just you

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<v Speaker 2>were breaking through to the new Jack post. And as

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<v Speaker 2>I sit in front of you now, even us having

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<v Speaker 2>this conversation, Jack and I last week went for a

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<v Speaker 2>walk and sat on a bench talking about how you

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<v Speaker 2>might feel today and over the next couple of days.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think you might be surprised by the messages

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<v Speaker 2>you get as people will hear your story. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful story, mate, and I am in awe of the

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<v Speaker 2>people that you may never even meet, who are who

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<v Speaker 2>are going to get something from that chat chat so

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<v Speaker 2>well done. It's one thing to go through and grow

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<v Speaker 2>through it, and then to go and talk about it

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time with those boys and share it

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<v Speaker 2>with wait, the entire country and the world. That's some

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<v Speaker 2>real powerful vulnerability. So good on you, mate, You're a

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<v Speaker 2>shining example of what it is to be a man

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<v Speaker 2>to Gordon as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I appreciate it, and I appreciate the ongoing support

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<v Speaker 1>and even right up until the point where I did

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<v Speaker 1>the interview where you walked me from the radio station

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<v Speaker 1>here in Richmond to their studios in Collingwood, like mum

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<v Speaker 1>dropping me up at school on my first day of

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<v Speaker 1>being vulnerable, Your mum, what could you call me that?

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate the supply.

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<v Speaker 2>I love our friendship, and I am in awe of

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<v Speaker 2>what you're what you're doing as well and showing up

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<v Speaker 2>for yourself and other people. Jack. It's called the imperfects.

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<v Speaker 2>Wherever you get your podcasts you'll find it. Check it

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<v Speaker 2>out The Christian Connell Show podcast