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Speaker 1: Now joining me in the studio is the opposition leader,

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Speaker 1: Lea Finocchiaro.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Leah, Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, we know that's the meeting to determine who's

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Speaker 1: going to be on that board. It's going to be announced. Well,

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Speaker 1: it won't be announced until next week, but the Chief Minister,

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Speaker 1: Michael Gunner has previously urged the entire board of the

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Speaker 1: dh and Turf Club to resign after that i CAAQ report.

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Speaker 1: Now we've got that copy of the nomination form and

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Speaker 1: I can confirm at least three people who are on

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Speaker 1: the board during that debacle putting their hands up. The chairman,

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Speaker 1: Brett Dixon, will put his hand up again. What do

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Speaker 1: you make of some of those former board members still

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Speaker 1: wanting to stay on the board.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think this just goes to the heart of

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Speaker 3: the Chief Minister's inability to lead and the fact that

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Speaker 3: no one respects him and he carries no authority. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we had a Chief Minister just come out in the

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Speaker 3: wake of the Irocack report and instead of taking responsibility

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Speaker 3: for the fact that it was him and his cabinet

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Speaker 3: who gave away twelve million dollars demanded that a volunteer

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Speaker 3: board resign and then boycott the entire Darwen Cup carnival,

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Speaker 3: which brings millions, if not hundreds of millions of dollars

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Speaker 3: into the territory. Now you know, if board members continue

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Speaker 3: to want to put their hand up, it really is

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Speaker 3: a member a matter for the membership of the Darwin

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Speaker 3: Turf Club to decide. But I think the bigger issue

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Speaker 3: coming out of this is the precedent that Michael Gunner

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Speaker 3: wants to set. I mean, he has made threats that

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Speaker 3: if the board don't resign then he will bring legislation

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Speaker 3: into Parliament which gives the government the power to sack

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Speaker 3: a board, a volunteer board. So that impacts everyone, Katie.

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Speaker 3: That's your pony club, your Scouts group, your seniors organizations,

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Speaker 3: every single person out there listening who's a member of

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Speaker 3: an organization that is under the Association's Act, which is

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Speaker 3: a lot of people, probably every second person, Katie. You

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Speaker 3: would then be under the control and power of the

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Speaker 3: whims of the Chief Minister. And if he wakes up

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Speaker 3: one day and decides that your volunteer committee should go,

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Speaker 3: then he would have the power to do that. Ludicrous,

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Speaker 3: I do just want to go back to the fact though,

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Speaker 3: that the IKAK did make improper conduct findings against Star

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Speaker 3: Taking this into account, should either of them realistically be

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Speaker 3: standing on that board again, Well, look, it's a matter

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Speaker 3: for the individuals and it's a matter for the members.

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Speaker 3: That's just how organizations work. You can't have a government

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Speaker 3: coming in over the top with some sort of control,

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Speaker 3: like a dictatorship, where they can decide who does what

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Speaker 3: in our community. I think that's a really dangerous slippery

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Speaker 3: slope to dictatorship. I mean, honestly, how can you have

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Speaker 3: a chief minister decide himself who sits on what community

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Speaker 3: organizations and who doesn't. That's a really bad thing for

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Speaker 3: democracy and for people's freedoms. It's ultimately going to be

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Speaker 3: up to the.

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Speaker 2: Turf Club members.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if they think that the conduct as detailed

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Speaker 3: in the IKAK report is not what they want on

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Speaker 3: their board, then they will vote accordingly. But it's not

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Speaker 3: for a chief minister to come in because he's a

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Speaker 3: coward and can't fail up to his own mistakes, to

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Speaker 3: then try and shift this blame to someone else.

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Speaker 1: Now, when these findings were made, obviously the Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: also announced, like you've just touched on, that the government

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Speaker 1: would move that legislation on urgency to sack the board

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Speaker 1: members if the resignations aren't forthcoming. Now, I guess you

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Speaker 1: know the big question here is if any of those

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Speaker 1: former members are re elected, what do you think that

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Speaker 1: that means for the Chief Minister and for his leadership.

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Speaker 3: No, I think it just shows once again how untenable

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Speaker 2: We have repeatedly called for his.

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Speaker 3: Resignation over this issue, and in fact the resignation of

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Speaker 3: the entire cabinet that the fact alone remains true that

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Speaker 3: it is Michael Gunner and his team who approved the

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Speaker 3: twelve million dollars. They did not follow proper process and

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Speaker 3: they have been lying to territories about it ever since. Now,

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Speaker 3: if members of the Turf Club, and I'm sure there's

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Speaker 3: one hundreds, if not thousands of members of the Turf Club,

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Speaker 3: if they decide that existing members should remain on the board,

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Speaker 3: then I think that is a big show of force.

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Speaker 3: Here's the Chief Minister about exactly what people think about

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Speaker 3: the way he governs the territory.

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Speaker 2: What are you going to do.

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Speaker 1: I mean next week, if there is legislation that is introduced,

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: If the gun and government we're in parliament next week

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Speaker 3: for two weeks, If the Gunner government bring in legislation

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Speaker 3: so that they can sack committees and boards of associations,

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Speaker 3: we will strongly oppose that for all the reasons I

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Speaker 3: just said before, Katie. It's not okay for the Gunner

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Speaker 3: government to be able to pick and choose who it

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Speaker 3: hundreds of boards across the territory. I mean, this will

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Speaker 3: those committee members who are sitting on the BMX committee,

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Speaker 3: if they're sitting on a senior's advisory committee for seniors month.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what it might be in our community,

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Speaker 3: the karate club, you know, the local sports club at

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Speaker 3: Nightcliff you know, all of you will then be subject

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Speaker 3: to the whim of the Chief Minister, and if something

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Speaker 3: isn't going his way, make no mistake, you'll be next

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Speaker 3: to be thrown under the bus.

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Speaker 2: And the Chiefiness has got form on bus Rode. I

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Speaker 2: totally get that.

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Speaker 1: No, I feel the same, Like I don't think that

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Speaker 1: the government should be overseeing who sits on different volunteer boards.

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Speaker 1: I think that that's quite absurd. But what we're talking

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Speaker 1: about here, obviously with the turf Club there were you know,

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Speaker 1: there were improper conduct findings against the Darwin Turf Club

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Speaker 1: board members, two of them, and also the actual turf

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Speaker 2: Like, surely there does need to be some change. I

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Speaker 2: do think that, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, there's sort of two separate things that we need

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Speaker 1: to look at here. Obviously the government's conduct, but then

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Speaker 1: also are the conduct of the turf club.

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, But the fix to that is not

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Speaker 3: for government to be all powerful, you know, And this

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Speaker 3: is the problem. Gunner had to come out and say

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Speaker 3: and so for him to come out he had to

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Speaker 3: look tough. And we've heard him do this before. I mean,

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Speaker 2: And he's constantly talking tough.

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Speaker 3: Even the Labor Party ignored him when he said that

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Speaker 2: So you know, this is a man who doesn't hold

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Speaker 3: And sure, the Ikak report made some significant findings and

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Speaker 3: that's all their detailed in the public. But that is

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Speaker 3: then for the members of the Turf Club to decide

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Speaker 3: if they want a new way forward.

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Speaker 2: They will vote on the ninth of August for a

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Speaker 3: But Michael Gunner cannot reach into every association of the

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, It's going to be very interesting

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Speaker 1: to see what happens at that meeting on the ninth

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Speaker 1: on that. And when Parliament sits next week. Just to

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Speaker 1: reaffirm so there or re ask two hundred more than

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Speaker 1: to the government.

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Speaker 2: Yes we did.

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Speaker 3: We asked over two hundred questions to the government over

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Speaker 3: this ICAC Turf Club grandstand twelve million dollars giveaway, and

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Speaker 3: so we're expecting those to come back next not next week,

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Speaker 3: the week after, and that's all of publicly available, and

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Speaker 3: of course we'll be combing through that and letting territorians

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Speaker 2: We're not holding our breath.

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Speaker 3: We think there's going to be a lot of responses

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Speaker 3: along the lines of you know, cabinet confidentiality or you know,

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Speaker 3: just obfiscation like we've seen for this entire period. But

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Speaker 3: the hypocrisy is just unbelievable on this issue, Katie. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we've got the Racing Minister boycotting the races, the Chief

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Speaker 3: Minister boycotting the races, demanding the board members resign, but

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Speaker 3: then one of the board members who did resign the

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Speaker 2: I mean, how is.

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Speaker 3: It that the government think that they can demand resignations

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Speaker 3: but then take one of those people and give them

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Speaker 3: which then encroaches on every association.

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Speaker 2: In the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it is just unconscionable, the level of deception

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Speaker 1: All right, lea separately, I do want to ask the

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Speaker 1: KAC Commissioner yesterday took the unprecedented step to release a

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Speaker 2: He went on to.

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Speaker 1: Say, those who work in my office must act with

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Speaker 1: the utmost integrity. I demand nothing less of myself and

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Speaker 1: my staff. It comes after revelations that the QC inspectors

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Speaker 1: that Territorians could be losing confidence in the IKAK.

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Speaker 3: there is an issue there now. We well ahead of this, Katie.

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Speaker 3: As an opposition, we tried last parliament to move a

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Speaker 3: motion to establish a committee of the Parliament to review

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Speaker 3: the IKAK. You know, it's been in operation now a

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Speaker 3: couple of years. It's timely with the change of Kate

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Speaker 3: and whether it's working, what's not working. And of course

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Speaker 3: that was the day before I mean we didn't know,

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Speaker 3: but it was the day before the IYCAC reported to

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Speaker 3: the Turf Club got dropped. So of course the government

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Speaker 3: were extremely quick to shut us down.

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Speaker 2: But the fact remains the government.

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Speaker 3: Are doing some sort of closed, behind the scenes, backdoor

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Speaker 3: review with a former public servant and not something that

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Speaker 1: They're doing it that way, and that they're not doing

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Speaker 1: process and that the KAK needs to be very much independent.

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Speaker 3: That is just garbage to try and obfiscate an issue.

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Speaker 3: So absolutely politicians should be separate from the IKIC. But

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Speaker 3: The fact remains members of Parliament make the law. So

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Speaker 2: It has to get through the parliament.

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Speaker 3: What should happen is that that process be open to

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, were you surprised yesterday when you saw

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Speaker 3: And I think a line in the commissioner statement was,

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Speaker 2: It absolutely does.

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Speaker 3: And for the government to have a closed door legislative

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Speaker 3: This needs to be in the light for everyone to

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Speaker 1: All right, Leah, I want to just get through a

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Speaker 3: So we know October means it's going into our worst

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Speaker 2: But it just brings me back to the budget bottom line.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we've got a few text messages coming through

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Speaker 1: it says, good morning. It's not okay to allow members

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Speaker 1: this will allow lawlessness within the Darwin community. Leah, your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm not saying it is okay. What I'm

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Speaker 1: Opposition leader Leaf and Occhiaro, we really appreciate your time

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Speaker 1: this morning. Thanks so much for coming.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Take care everyone,