1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: We do know as I said, that these issues that 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: we are seeing with crime and anti social behavior, they 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: have been on the agenda for quite some time now. 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: I know this overnight or yesterday, as I understand it, 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: Marian Scrimjaw and Melanderie McCarthy brought together a number of 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Aboriginal organizations to discuss youth crime and justice. 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 2: Now. 8 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: In a post on social media, Marion said about forty 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: people attended who helped to develop a clear pathway forward. 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: Marian Scrimjaw is the member for Lingiari and she joins 11 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: me on the line right now. 12 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 2: Good morning, Marion, Good morning Katie. How are you? Yeah? 13 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: Really well, thank you Marion. What were some of those 14 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: solutions that were discussed at the meeting? 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: Look, I think what came through very clearly, Katie, from 16 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: all of the organ and most of them weren't organizations. 17 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: They were Aboriginal women, grandmothers, people who are really concerned about, 18 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: you know, the demonizing, but also the issues to do 19 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: with children running the streets and nowhere to take these kids. 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: So there was a whole number of It wasn't as 21 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: simple as you know. These kids have got families and 22 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: their house running a muss there's a lot of kids 23 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: that are actually homeless and have come in and they're 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: without their families, but they're living roughly in Alice Springs. 25 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: So look, we've got to work together with the Northern 26 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: Territory government ministers, particularly territory families to try and look 27 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: at ways in which we can deal with because it 28 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: is escalating. It is out of control, and we need 29 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: to try and look at you know, like some of 30 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: the women are saying, it's simple solutions. Put it, you know, 31 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: give the responsibility to Aboriginal leaders and people to resolve 32 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: some of this rather than you know, government thinking they've 33 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: got the answers for it. And I actually agree with that. 34 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: I think it's got to be Aboriginal led solutions to 35 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: deal with what has been an ongoing problem for some time, Katie. 36 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: And this is right across the UDN territory. It's not 37 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: just Ella Springs that I see these issues are. 38 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is the thing, isn't it. You know, 39 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: there has been so many issues and like you said, 40 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: there's been an escalation. Alice Springs seems to be really 41 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: copying it right now, Marion. 42 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: I look, it seems to be in the media a 43 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 2: lot Katie and look, I you know, having moved down 44 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: here people and as I said to some of the 45 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: Aboriginal leaders yesterday, government can't ignore this either. It's got 46 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: to be you know, people have got to feel safe 47 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: in their homes and and you know a lot of 48 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: people feel unsafe, and you know it's in your face 49 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: every day, and businesses that are under you know, under under, 50 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 2: you know they're under siege. And you know, we've got 51 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: to get some res bite here. And I had a 52 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: long discussion and it was a great discussion last night 53 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: with achievements. So we do need to there's a lot 54 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: of resources that are going to come into Alice Springs. 55 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 2: But I'm also conscious that there's this issues in Darwin, 56 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: it's in Catherine, it's in you know, Can and Craig. 57 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: So we've got to look at a territory wide solution 58 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: and not just do knee jerk reactions across you know, 59 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: in different parts. Because you know there's a spike in 60 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: crime in Alice Springs. We've got to get some sustainable 61 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: solutions to this so that we can deal with what's 62 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: been an ongoing problem, particularly where we're seeing a lot 63 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: of these young people don't have somewhere to go. 64 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: Now tell me, Marian, what are the next steps or 65 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: what are your next steps following on from that meeting yesterday. 66 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: Look, I'm going to facilitate another discussion with all of them. 67 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: I'm going to keep ongoing discussions with all of the people. 68 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: I'm hoping that I can have some discussions with business, 69 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: because business there's a lot of frustration, Katie. So that's 70 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: costing people a lot of money because they're windows, and 71 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: you know they're being broken into every day. No, it 72 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 2: needs government to put and the federal government. I know that, 73 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 2: you know the federal government. There was a number of 74 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: promises that we made during the election that'll be forced 75 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: coming in terms of working with the Alice Springs Town Council, 76 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: for instance, to get CCTV, you know, capability and other 77 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 2: issues around Alice Springs so that we can at least 78 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: address some of the problems that are happening in and 79 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 2: around Alice Springs. So I meet with Melanderry McCarthy this 80 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: afternoon with Matt Patterson and the Alice Springs and Council 81 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 2: to look at what we need to do in terms 82 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: of rolling out that capacity for them to be able 83 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: to put in place, these these strategies to deal with 84 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 2: the antisocial and crime issues in Malice. 85 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: And Marian you said that, you know this needs to 86 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: be Aboriginal lead. How do we make that happen? How 87 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: do we you know, how do we get leaders out 88 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: there and make it happen. 89 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: Well, I'd put out the call, Okadie, I've just I've 90 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 2: just you know, we I've put out the call to 91 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 2: Aboriginal leaders because and it's not just up to myself 92 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: or Melandari or members of parliament or government. You know, 93 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: everyone has a responsibility here and I think that if 94 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 2: we talk about Aboriginal lead, well, I'm saying to those leaders, 95 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: we'll get to the table, let's sit down and let's time, 96 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,679 Speaker 2: let's result it, because there's no point in us saying 97 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: just give us the government money and go away. And 98 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 2: just we need people to put their hands up, put 99 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: their money where their mouth is, and let's resolve this 100 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: together because it's all of our territory and we need 101 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 2: to work together to make sure that we can overcome this. 102 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: Now, Marion, I know there has been calls from just 103 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: Enterprise for the Prime Minister to visit Alice Springs. Do 104 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: you think that needs to happen. 105 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: No, Look, Katie, I've offered, and I've extended my handout 106 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: to reach the center. I think that I'd like to 107 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 2: work with her to look at how do we you know, 108 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: given she's a Senator for the Law and Territories, to 109 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: go Melandarie McCarthy work with MELANDERI and I to put 110 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 2: in place these strategies. Let's bring people together, and let's 111 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: get the resources of government and the machinery to try 112 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 2: and deal with some of this stuff. But let's get 113 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 2: the Aboriginal leadership to say end up and you know, 114 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 2: deal with this issue and lead it so that we 115 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: can overcome these issues that are often always in the 116 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: media in a negative way case. And I think that 117 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: we can all work together. And I'm urging just inter 118 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: you know, it makes a great headline story to call 119 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: for the Prime Minister that I want her, you know, 120 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: I'd like her to sit down with MELANDERI night and 121 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: look at how we can move forward to better Alice Springs. 122 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: But the whole of the Northern. 123 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: Territory now in the short term, because I know that 124 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, much of what we're discussing is obviously it's 125 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: going to take a little while I would suspect to 126 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: get into you know, to get into play Marion. Is 127 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: there anything that can be happening in the short term 128 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: to help, you know, to help the community of Alice Springs. 129 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: It does seem to be hurting right now. 130 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: Yeh. Look, we're going to and it's not just talking 131 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: to the Aboriginal leadership I've got I'm going to be 132 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: talking to. There's some discussion happening with Jeanette Kerr, who 133 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 2: used to be quite singer and the police. She's now 134 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: heading up a response unit in Alice Springs. When I 135 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: go back this afternoon, I'm actually in yun Demo at 136 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: the moment, Katie, Okay, So when I get back to 137 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: Alice Springs, it'll be meeting with Matt Patterson, but Jeanette Kerr, 138 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: who's the Deputy CEO of Territory Family and I'm hoping 139 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 2: and I spoke to the Chief Minister last night and 140 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: I'm waiting for Minister Warden to give me a ring 141 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: whether I can also meet with the police to look 142 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 2: at what do we need to do and how do 143 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: we put this in place with you know, Aboriginal lead 144 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: ambassadors around the streets of Ella Springs to try and 145 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 2: deal with some of. 146 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: These issues, Marion, Are you confident it's going to make 147 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: a difference. 148 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 2: Oh, look, I think so, Katie. I think, Look, it 149 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: needs to be you know, I think the Aboriginal leadership 150 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: needs to take control of this and lead this and 151 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: work hand in glove with the police, with territory families 152 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: and with both levels this government or three levels of 153 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: government to make this work. Katie, I think, you know, 154 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: governments for a long time has been throwing a lot 155 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: of money, and you know there's been different strategies and 156 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 2: policies to overcome this. The missing piece has been Aboriginal 157 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: people leading this and I think that's what needs to 158 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 2: happen here. And I'm merging all of those leaders and 159 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: yesterday it was fantastic. It was actually quite humbling to see, 160 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: you know, over forty of our women come and there's 161 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: a young man who's running a you know, quite a 162 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: good program and Alice Springs called King's Narrative and doing 163 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: it differently on country. You know, we need to pull 164 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: those people in and get them to lead the and 165 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: to work with the police and territory family so that 166 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 2: we can give people some respite and people can feel 167 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: safe in their home bar and we. 168 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 1: Are going to have to wrap up. What are you 169 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: up to in you and to move? 170 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 2: Oh, I look visiting getting around having a look at 171 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: this fantastic electorate of mine, Katie. I'm coming up the top. 172 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: I've got to go to the Chiwey Island unfortunately for 173 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: a funeral for mister Rioli, and then I'll come back 174 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: down again and go through down the Stuart Highway and 175 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: you know, I've got Barunga. There's these visits to Bori, 176 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: Lula and a number of places, so I'm trying to 177 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 2: get as much travel to some of the remote communities 178 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 2: but into our evens that you know, some of our 179 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: regional town before I've got to go back to sitting 180 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,239 Speaker 2: parliamentary sittings in early September. 181 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: Well, we always appreciate your time in screen. Jaw the 182 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: Member for Lingiari, thanks very much for having a chat 183 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: with us today. 184 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you.