WEBVTT - Do Late Dinners Really Stall Fat Loss? Plus Tinned Tuna Ranked at Coles, Aldi & Woolies

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<v Speaker 1>Are you one of our many listeners who find yourself

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<v Speaker 1>eating dinner as late as seven point thirty, maybe even

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<v Speaker 1>eight o'clock every night?

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<v Speaker 2>The mix of long.

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<v Speaker 1>Hours, long commutes, gym, school, exercise keeps you out of

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<v Speaker 1>the house until pretty late and at which point you're

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<v Speaker 1>often exhausted and pretty damn hungry.

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<v Speaker 2>So in today's episode of.

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<v Speaker 1>The Nutrition Couch, we deep dive late dinners and how

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<v Speaker 1>you can take control of the foods you eat later

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<v Speaker 1>in the evening as well as your weight long term.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye. I'm Leanne Wood.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm Sissy Burrel, and together.

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<v Speaker 1>We bring you The Nutrition Couch, the weekly podcast that

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<v Speaker 1>keeps you up to date with everything that you need

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<v Speaker 1>to know in the world of nutrition as well as

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<v Speaker 1>late night dinners. Today we discuss tinned tune up. We

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<v Speaker 1>talk about how to differentiate between the good, the better,

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<v Speaker 1>and the best brands. We've also found a high protein

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<v Speaker 1>frozen egg option worth discussing, and our listener question is

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<v Speaker 1>all about shift work. So to kick us off today, Susie,

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<v Speaker 1>we are chatting all things late night dinner, and we

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<v Speaker 1>want to start off the segment by saying that eating

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<v Speaker 1>late is inherently bad. It's not a bad thing. But

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<v Speaker 1>for some people what tends to happen is when you

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<v Speaker 1>push that last meal of the night out longer and longer,

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<v Speaker 1>it can end up being quite a heavy, large meal,

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<v Speaker 1>because what happens is ultimately you get to the point

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<v Speaker 1>where you're so starving that you tend to overeat, and

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<v Speaker 1>often it is sort of those poorer food choices, or

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<v Speaker 1>it may be skipping dinner completely and just having more

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<v Speaker 1>snacks at nighttime, which tips the balance from like a nice, balanced,

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<v Speaker 1>healthy meal to more of that snacky kind of ultra

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<v Speaker 1>processed food. So it's not inherently a bad thing to

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<v Speaker 1>eat later at night. The context certainly matters. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you are someone that finds themselves, you know, eating quite

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<v Speaker 1>late at night heavy meals, not waking up hungry the

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<v Speaker 1>next morning, perhaps this is a segment for you, because

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<v Speaker 1>we certainly do have clients where they don't mean to

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<v Speaker 1>do it, but it's just the business of life and

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<v Speaker 1>it tends to just happen, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>Quite occasionally, lan are going to talk about the elephant

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<v Speaker 4>in the room, about why the podcast has been a

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<v Speaker 4>whole for the past for three or four weeks, So he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Gonna over it's gonna be nice.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be nice, and I've just got a gloss

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<v Speaker 1>over it and pretend we haven't done forty seven practice

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<v Speaker 1>runs of the same episode.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, you're welcome be my guest.

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<v Speaker 4>Feel that because we've got our community of people on

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<v Speaker 4>the nutrition couch, we owe them an apology or we

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<v Speaker 4>owe them an explanation about what's been happening behind the scenes. No,

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<v Speaker 4>LeAnn and I haven't had a big fight. We've had

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<v Speaker 4>the worst technical glitch we've ever had. So we had

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<v Speaker 4>decided to take a little break from the podcast over

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<v Speaker 4>Easter because we are pretty burnt out with overwork in general,

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<v Speaker 4>and we thought people are away will have a break.

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<v Speaker 4>So we had bulk recorded a lot of episodes and

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<v Speaker 4>then sort of had several weeks with no recording, and

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<v Speaker 4>then last week when we came to return, we could

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<v Speaker 4>literally not get my computer to record. Now, I'll be

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<v Speaker 4>very honest to say that I am a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>older than Land and I work on a PC and

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<v Speaker 4>she is mackel the way baby, and for some reason,

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<v Speaker 4>my PC just would not work with my microphone for

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<v Speaker 4>no known reason, which actually turns out that mic hasn't

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<v Speaker 4>been working my editor Tom tells me now for weeks

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<v Speaker 4>that we didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that Susie sounds like she's recording it a cave.

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<v Speaker 4>And for some reason my mic just was just my

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<v Speaker 4>PC has just rejected it. So we've literally spent two

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<v Speaker 4>well we recorded last week, it didn't work, kept getting

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<v Speaker 4>kicked out, and I was thinking, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 4>we're ever coming back on the podcast because we literally

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<v Speaker 4>could not get the tech working. So finally I have

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<v Speaker 4>relented and come upstairs to use the Mac the Children News,

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<v Speaker 4>and we today after many attempts, have got it going.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was hit and miss for a while.

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<v Speaker 4>We were pretty keen to just throw it in because

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<v Speaker 4>it was we were just not compatible where we can

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<v Speaker 4>not compatible.

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<v Speaker 2>To use her new Mac for years.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the minute she comes upstairs and tunes in

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<v Speaker 1>it works first time.

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<v Speaker 3>So no, that's a lilia and it didn't work the

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<v Speaker 3>first time we had. We had to little little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>But it does appear that my road mike is now

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<v Speaker 4>working after several months it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, we're back.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe we're back, baby, and we won't be having a

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<v Speaker 4>break again like that because it just started a cascade

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<v Speaker 4>of events where anyway, so this is the second time

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<v Speaker 4>we've recorded this episode, so what we're feeling positive as.

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<v Speaker 2>Good as the first one. But thanks to.

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<v Speaker 3>Give it a crack, thanks to your patience.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's what's going on in the background anyway, late

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<v Speaker 4>night dinners. Yes, it's yeah. I see it all the

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<v Speaker 4>time with busy people. And often I think it's that

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<v Speaker 4>they're trying to get to the gym as well for

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<v Speaker 4>some in some cases, or it may be that they're

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<v Speaker 4>trying to have dinner with the family. So what happens

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<v Speaker 4>is it gets pushed back later and later, so it

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<v Speaker 4>starts at sort of six thirty seven, becomes seven thirty eight,

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<v Speaker 4>and then all of a sudden, people are still eating

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<v Speaker 4>their snacks and treats it at nine o'clock at night.

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<v Speaker 4>And the issue is inevitably the two things I see

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<v Speaker 4>is that people get almost over hungry. So I've got

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<v Speaker 4>clients who are then having a snack at five o'clock

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<v Speaker 4>and not something insignificant, you know, a couple of hundred calories,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, you should actually be eating dinner, and

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<v Speaker 4>they're like, oh, but I want to go to the gym,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's like, well, you know, according to circadian rhythm. Really,

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<v Speaker 4>the earlier you eat the dinner, the better, And in

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<v Speaker 4>some cases I'd say I'd rather you come home and

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<v Speaker 4>have an earlier dinner than be having going to the

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<v Speaker 4>gym and then having dinner at eight o'clock. So I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's just being realistic with your schedule. I think

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<v Speaker 4>for some women it's acknowledging that your nutritional needs are

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<v Speaker 4>different from the families. So just I know it's nice

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<v Speaker 4>to sit down with the family, but if you've got

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<v Speaker 4>teenage boys a husband who comes home quite late, you

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<v Speaker 4>know you're really sacrificing your nutritional needs for them. Depending

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<v Speaker 4>on what your goals are, and specifically, if your goal

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<v Speaker 4>is fat loss, you will certainly be better to prioritize

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<v Speaker 4>your own nutritional needs earlier and have that meal earlier, even.

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<v Speaker 3>If you can.

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<v Speaker 4>If you can't routinely and you still want to sit down,

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<v Speaker 4>I'd say you've got to shift your calories more into

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<v Speaker 4>the day where lunch is more substantial, afternoon snack at

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<v Speaker 4>four is more substantial, so dinner can be that lighter

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<v Speaker 4>top up if you haven't eaten very much between lunchtime

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<v Speaker 4>at one o'clock and eight o'clock at night, you will

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<v Speaker 4>overeat because your body's trying to play catch up with it.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think just be realistic about where the calories sit,

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<v Speaker 4>and if you do choose to have the late night dinner,

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<v Speaker 4>pre empt that by having more in the day so

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<v Speaker 4>you don't end up over hungry. And the other thing

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<v Speaker 4>I'm seeing with a lot of clients lean is that

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<v Speaker 4>they're all in love with the protein pudding. So there's

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<v Speaker 4>several brands who have protein puddings. I think there's the Pools,

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<v Speaker 4>there's the r Low and the RockA Bees, and they're

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<v Speaker 4>increasing in range every time I look. There's more. I

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<v Speaker 4>think Muscle Nation have got a new range of protein. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>now you don't need to sit down to a meal

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<v Speaker 4>of chicken breast or steak and veggies and then load

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<v Speaker 4>up with another twenty grams of protein an hour later.

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<v Speaker 4>I know there's a lot of focus on protein in

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<v Speaker 4>the diet, but if you're having a decent server protein

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<v Speaker 4>that is giving you thirty even forty grams, you don't

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<v Speaker 4>need to then back it up with twenty for dessert.

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<v Speaker 4>So keep that in mind as well. It works well

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<v Speaker 4>I find for vegetarian clients who maybe struggle to get

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<v Speaker 4>the protein in at dinner, but if you eat animal

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<v Speaker 4>based food, you don't need them to back up your

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<v Speaker 4>dessert with a protein load. I'm happy with it just

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<v Speaker 4>to be more of a one hundred calorie frozen yogurt

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<v Speaker 4>or ice cream on a stick or limpball. You don't

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<v Speaker 4>need the extra protein. So I'm seeing that too, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's just being adjusting and just making sure nutritionally,

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<v Speaker 4>particularly what your goals are.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>I've got some girls who are trading cross fit up

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<v Speaker 4>super early and they eat eight o'clock at night, and

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<v Speaker 4>they'll still have a portion of carbohydrate that's very different

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<v Speaker 4>from someone who's ninety kilo's insulin resistant and really needs

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<v Speaker 4>to wake up hungry or and shift calories into the

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<v Speaker 4>first half.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the day.

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<v Speaker 4>So I generally try and have the final meal by seven,

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<v Speaker 4>and then if people are having a dessert by eight,

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<v Speaker 4>aiming for that ideal twelve hours overnight without food to

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<v Speaker 4>allow the gut microbiome to have a break and regenerate.

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<v Speaker 4>So at a minimum you'd want ten, but I really

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<v Speaker 4>would try and get twelve. And you can see that

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<v Speaker 4>if you're eating at eight or nine at night and

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<v Speaker 4>then having snacks later, it's shifting everything back the next day,

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<v Speaker 4>you're not waking out hungry. Hence the rationale for what

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<v Speaker 4>is a lighter dinner. And in terms of lighter dinners,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, if it's after eight o'clock at night and

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<v Speaker 4>you're having sort of a bigger lunch and afternoon snack,

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<v Speaker 4>that's where it's that more three hundred cow dinner when

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<v Speaker 4>it's later. So things like the soup, the white fish

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<v Speaker 4>and green veggies, the plain chicken breastir fry, you know

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<v Speaker 4>that kind of food then. But yeah, I would just

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<v Speaker 4>argue that if you're playing calorie catch up, it's sort

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<v Speaker 4>of it's not ideal when it particularly comes to body

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<v Speaker 4>fat loss.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it is worth noting, like we said

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<v Speaker 1>in the beginning, it's not something that is like a

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<v Speaker 1>one size fits.

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<v Speaker 2>All rule really.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, ultimately it comes down to calories, right. It

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<v Speaker 1>is really how many calories you consume throughout the entire

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<v Speaker 1>day that's going to make a difference in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>fat loss. But there are some small things like as

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<v Speaker 1>Susie mentioned, Katie, and rhythm does play a role. The

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<v Speaker 1>body is a little bit more insulinced sensitive earlier in

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<v Speaker 1>the day. Yes, some of these things matter, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't overhype them. For some people they don't matter

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<v Speaker 1>as much. For others they matter a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>But really, timing, yes, we like to you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>plays a role in terms of how well you're sleeping

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<v Speaker 1>at nine, maybe gut health, digestion, but it's not more

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<v Speaker 1>important than how much you're eating overall, if the ultimate

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<v Speaker 1>goal is fat loss. But if you ask someone that

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<v Speaker 1>is really prioritizing more of that snack based food, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to remember that you're never going to get the

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<v Speaker 1>type of good quality nutrition that you can get from

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<v Speaker 1>a well balanced meal from multiple snacks. And often i'll

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like Susia have clients who get to five

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock and they say, look, dinner won't be till seven thirty, eight,

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<v Speaker 1>eight thirty because hubby's working late, the kids are eating.

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<v Speaker 2>Now what should I do?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, hands down, eat your dinner, eat a proper

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<v Speaker 1>well balanced meal, don't have a snack then, and then

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<v Speaker 1>try to have a little snack later on with hubby

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<v Speaker 1>when he gets home at eight o'clock because it's just

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<v Speaker 1>too like, it's too late. So you're far better off

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<v Speaker 1>having a well balanced meal earlier in the day and

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<v Speaker 1>then having something a little bit lighter, like a protein

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<v Speaker 1>putting at eight pm. If you've had a well balanced

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<v Speaker 1>dinner five five point thirty early, if you've got little

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<v Speaker 1>kids like I do, so it is okay to have

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<v Speaker 1>a snack or two later on if you're hungry, but

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<v Speaker 1>don't do it at the expense of having a well

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<v Speaker 1>balanced meal, because you can never get the type of

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<v Speaker 1>good quality nutrition that a well balanced meal provides in

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<v Speaker 1>multiple snacks. You might hit the macro targets, you might

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<v Speaker 1>get any bit of carbs and protein from many snacks,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're not going to get in the micro nutrients

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<v Speaker 1>and the volume. And that's a tidy factor that are

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<v Speaker 1>really well balanced meal with low GI carbohydrates, a good

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<v Speaker 1>source of protein, some healthy fats, and you know, lots

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<v Speaker 1>of fiber and fresh food. What that well balanced meal

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<v Speaker 1>will provide will not come from multiple snacks. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>probably the main focus we want you to think about

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<v Speaker 1>as dieticians is where can I get that well balanced

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<v Speaker 1>dinner in. And for a lot of us, the earlier

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<v Speaker 1>the better because it does tend to prevent some of

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<v Speaker 1>that late night snacking. So that's probably just the point

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<v Speaker 1>we really want to hit home about, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the five o'clock is too late, and then you're

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<v Speaker 4>better to have a soup or a salad then almost

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<v Speaker 4>half the dinner earlier, rather than allowing yourself to have

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<v Speaker 4>the snack for which, of course, as we know, Leanne,

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<v Speaker 4>what does everyone love? Everyone loves the bars, So yes,

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<v Speaker 4>you better to have dinner all right? Well, moving on

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<v Speaker 4>to quick and easy meals, We're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 4>a topic that I think will be interesting to a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of our listeners for anyone who enjoys canned tuna,

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<v Speaker 4>because can tuna is without doubt one of the most

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<v Speaker 4>nutrient rich, budget friendly, high protein foods you can have

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<v Speaker 4>in your diet. We don't can tuna in Australia. There's

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of boutique brands that do have some, but

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<v Speaker 4>in general the mainstream brands you see in supermarket are

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<v Speaker 4>all important and there is a really wide range of

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<v Speaker 4>varieties available and also price points, you know. And what

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<v Speaker 4>we've found having a look at this is that just

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<v Speaker 4>because you pay more for your tuna doesn't necessarily guarantee

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<v Speaker 4>the quality or the basically the amount of tuna that

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<v Speaker 4>you would get in a tin. So as a general

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<v Speaker 4>rule of thumb, when it comes to canned goods, what

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<v Speaker 4>you're looking for is the highest percentage of the actual

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<v Speaker 4>ingredient in there. So, for example, there's been some recent

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<v Speaker 4>posts on Instagram looking at tin tomatoes, and it can differ.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, some varieties can have as much as eighty

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<v Speaker 4>percent tomato that you're paying for and some as low

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<v Speaker 4>as forty or fifty, so that it does differ. And

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<v Speaker 4>just because something's a dollar doesn't mean it's got the

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<v Speaker 4>lowest amount of tomatoes by any means.

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<v Speaker 2>And same with tuna.

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<v Speaker 4>You really got to take your magnifying glass and work

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<v Speaker 4>through to see how much is in there. Now, first

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<v Speaker 4>I would say is that I'm a tin salmon fan,

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<v Speaker 4>which some people are not. But when you buy, even

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<v Speaker 4>though it's quite expensive, the tinned red salmon, and you

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<v Speaker 4>look at the ingredient list, it's ninety nine percent salmon.

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<v Speaker 4>So even though it's quite expensive, I think it's about

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen dollars for the large can, you're getting all fish

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<v Speaker 4>in there. There's no filler, there's no water, it's just

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit of salt and salmon. So in terms

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<v Speaker 4>of you're basically getting what you're paying for in terms

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<v Speaker 4>of a lot of good quality fish. That is not

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<v Speaker 4>the case with tuna. My chemeras are surprisely and that

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<v Speaker 4>the highest percentage of tuna in tin tuna is about

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<v Speaker 4>seventy five percent. Generally it's a lot of water added

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<v Speaker 4>it might be oil. Where you see the oil varieties,

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<v Speaker 4>there's quite a big difference in the percentages, but overall

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<v Speaker 4>that's the highest amount you'll get is about seventy to

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<v Speaker 4>seventy five. Now, we would generally say if you're buying

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<v Speaker 4>tin fish, you're much better to pay just for the

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<v Speaker 4>fish in spring water, or if you want it in oil.

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<v Speaker 4>The options that have extravaginal I think generally just olive

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<v Speaker 4>oil in there is key because you generally they're the

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<v Speaker 4>ones with the higher percentage of fish. So I'm just

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<v Speaker 4>looking at one of them. The Serena lemon and pepper

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<v Speaker 4>is seventy eight percent tuna compared to say the Mexican

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<v Speaker 4>style wil worst tuna, which is only thirty five percent tuna.

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<v Speaker 4>So that basically means you're paying for a whole lot

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<v Speaker 4>of fillers and sauces. And if you don't mind having

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<v Speaker 4>the tuna in spring water and then adding your own

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<v Speaker 4>flavors to it. You're there knowing that you're paying for

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<v Speaker 4>the fish and you can season it yourself, but you're

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<v Speaker 4>going to get a much higher percentage overall rolling through

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<v Speaker 4>actually because another dietician's done all the work of the numbers.

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<v Speaker 4>So from Daily Serve Nutrition, we thank you. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of brands Serena, most Serena varieties, even if

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<v Speaker 4>they've got a flavor through them, are over seventy percent tuna.

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<v Speaker 4>Some of them go down a little bit lower, but

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<v Speaker 4>the most popular varieties that I know people have, which

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<v Speaker 4>are in sort of the Italian style source, the light variety,

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<v Speaker 4>the plain one in Chile, they're all over seventy percent.

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<v Speaker 4>So they're all pretty good varieties, as is the Wild

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<v Speaker 4>Tides variety, and that also is quite a lot cheaper,

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<v Speaker 4>so that's almost half what you're paying for the Serena tuna,

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<v Speaker 4>which I guess known as a more boutique brand. The

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<v Speaker 4>pouches are pretty good. The Safgo pouches are all over

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<v Speaker 4>seventy percent as well, and when you get to green

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<v Speaker 4>seas that's when it starts to reduce down. So the

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<v Speaker 4>highest one they've got, which is a skip jack tuna

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<v Speaker 4>they're tuna and oil is only sixty eight percent and

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<v Speaker 4>goes down as long as fifty. The John West Premium

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<v Speaker 4>in the black all over seventy, but again you're paying

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<v Speaker 4>a lot more for it, and John West in general,

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<v Speaker 4>you're paying a lot more for it, And something like

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<v Speaker 4>their mango Chili one is as low as forty four

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<v Speaker 4>percent tuna, but still retailing close to three dollars for

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<v Speaker 4>ninety five grams. You also lean can't assume that because

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<v Speaker 4>it's home brand it's poorer quality, because some of the

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<v Speaker 4>home brands, for example, the Audi range can actually be

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<v Speaker 4>incredibly high, as can the coal. So the coals specific

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<v Speaker 4>yellow fins are all over seventy percent, as are the

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<v Speaker 4>ocean Rise range stocked in Audi, which again retails at

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<v Speaker 4>about half the price of the mainstream tumors, and they

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<v Speaker 4>with the exception of one variety, the put and Esca,

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<v Speaker 4>the others are all over seventy. So you would argue

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<v Speaker 4>that in terms of budget costs and quality of tuna,

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<v Speaker 4>Audi actually rates incredibly highly in their tin tuna amounts,

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<v Speaker 4>in both their kind of prestige ocean Rise brand as

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<v Speaker 4>well as their sort of port view which is known

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<v Speaker 4>as the cheaper one, So in many cases you're not

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<v Speaker 4>better to spend more on tuna. You're actually getting pretty

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<v Speaker 4>good amounts tuna, particularly in the yellow range at Aliti,

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<v Speaker 4>just as high as the Serrena and certainly the John

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<v Speaker 4>West at about half the price point. The next best

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<v Speaker 4>option after that is the Coals range, which the majority

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<v Speaker 4>are over seventy percent, and in fact their lemon and

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<v Speaker 4>pepper is eighty percent tuna for a dollar ten, so

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<v Speaker 4>an incredibly good investment, whereas Woolly's fair far poorer Leanne

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<v Speaker 4>in their tuna. So I think they've got this boutique

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<v Speaker 4>range Pacific. Their Pacific one is better at two dollars twenty,

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<v Speaker 4>but they're one dollar ten range. They're all under sixty

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<v Speaker 4>five percent, and most of them are under sixty coming

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<v Speaker 4>in at fifty. So you'd actually when you're going for

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<v Speaker 4>home brand, you'd be more inclined to go for the

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<v Speaker 4>basic coals varieties, which self are just over a dollar

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<v Speaker 4>and you're getting in most of them over seventy percent tuna.

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<v Speaker 4>So it doesn't translate paying more for the boutique brands,

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<v Speaker 4>it really and I understand flavors a thing. I know

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of my clients prefer Serena as a flavor option,

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<v Speaker 4>but you certainly pay up to three times as much

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<v Speaker 4>for that, Whereas if you want to put a bit

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<v Speaker 4>of your own sauce and seasoning in the coal's home

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<v Speaker 4>brand or the Audi varieties both there prestige and lesser brand,

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<v Speaker 4>you're actually getting much better value for money, which I

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<v Speaker 4>think is really important at this time when we're just

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<v Speaker 4>getting bent over with three prices NonStop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I totally agree.

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<v Speaker 3>You're a tuna eater. What do you buy?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a tune reader, but I'll say it, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I eat it because it's convenient, be its high protein

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<v Speaker 1>and see it's very budget friendly. But I can't do

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<v Speaker 1>can salmon like to me, it's too fishy, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the tuna varieties for me are too fishy.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't really do spring water unless I am

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<v Speaker 1>putting some like male or something stronger tasting through it,

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<v Speaker 1>or mixing it with, sayor a cottage. She is an avocado.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of my clients like yours, like the Serena

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<v Speaker 1>from a taste perspective, And let's be honest, who's buying

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<v Speaker 1>tuna full price? Like I always wait till it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty forty fifty percent off, and the home band varieties

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<v Speaker 1>don't really go on sale, so it is better if

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<v Speaker 1>you are someone that likes something like the Tuna Serena

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<v Speaker 1>or the Wild Tide's brand, wait till they're on sale

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<v Speaker 1>and stock up because tuna has a great shelf life,

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<v Speaker 1>like you can keep them in the pantry for months

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<v Speaker 1>and months. My favorite one actually is the Wild Tied

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<v Speaker 1>smoked one, so only get it when it's fifty percent off,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, you know, a dollar something in tin,

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<v Speaker 1>and I find that that smoky texture gets rid of

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<v Speaker 1>that fishy smell and fishy taste.

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<v Speaker 2>And my girls eat the smoke one as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is a little bit higher in sodium, but

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<v Speaker 1>to me, it's so versatile you can basically put it

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<v Speaker 1>into anything. And my little kids eat it too, which

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<v Speaker 1>it's really hard to get small children to eat things

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<v Speaker 1>like tin tuna because it is quite should we say

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<v Speaker 1>offensive smelling, like it's very strong, let's be honest, And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I have a lot of clients who really

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<v Speaker 1>shrugle to have tuna in any form because of the

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<v Speaker 1>smell and the taste of it. So I think that

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<v Speaker 1>if you ask someone that likes the flavored varieties, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>But knowing that you know a lot of those flavored

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<v Speaker 1>varieties are twelve thirteen grams of protein and tin only,

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<v Speaker 1>so perhaps using two tins is a good hack really

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<v Speaker 1>to drive that protein closer to that twenty five thirty

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<v Speaker 1>grams of protein, which if you're a female thirty forty

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<v Speaker 1>plus and you're looking to lose weight, that's ideally where

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<v Speaker 1>you want your protein range to sit. So perhaps two

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<v Speaker 1>tins of the flavored option or a tin plus adding

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<v Speaker 1>it a bit more protein like some chickpeas or some

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<v Speaker 1>cottage cheese or something like that, or putting it on

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of good slices of quality grainy bread like

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<v Speaker 1>a berg and soy lin is going to really help

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<v Speaker 1>to drive that protein range up. So it's one thing

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<v Speaker 1>to know what you're paying for, but I think the

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<v Speaker 1>taste is really a really key part as well. But

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<v Speaker 1>me personally, my hack is to get the smoked range

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<v Speaker 1>because you're still getting a really high percentage of tuna.

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<v Speaker 1>The one I like is like seventeen points something grams

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<v Speaker 1>per tin, which is great, And then if I put

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<v Speaker 1>that onto like a sandwich, I might use a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of cottage cheese or a slice of say the Yellsberg

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<v Speaker 1>Swiss cheese or something like that to add a little

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<v Speaker 1>couple of extra grams of protein to get that well

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<v Speaker 1>over sort of twenty grams. And to me, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>very budget friendly, sort of easy lunch option as well.

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<v Speaker 4>True true trudery. So buyer beware when it comes to

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<v Speaker 4>your tuna. But again, you know, if you're eating tuna,

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<v Speaker 4>we wouldn't say to eat tuna every day anyway, because

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<v Speaker 4>you can have a bit too much of it, But

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<v Speaker 4>say you're eating it every second day, you can literally

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<v Speaker 4>save yourself three five bucks a week every week just

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<v Speaker 4>by swapping your tuner over to one that you like.

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<v Speaker 4>So check out the ones at Aldi and even the Coals,

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<v Speaker 4>and if you lack one with the flavor, anything over

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<v Speaker 4>seventy is a pretty good investment. And really, if you

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<v Speaker 4>like salmon, go the tin red salmon because you're getting

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<v Speaker 4>a much higher amount of Amiga threes. So if you

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<v Speaker 4>buy the ten dollar one in the Coals or Allies

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<v Speaker 4>brand and getting four or five lunches out of it,

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<v Speaker 4>you're still any paying two dollars and you're getting a

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<v Speaker 4>lot more nutrition with no additives at all. Okay, Lee Anne,

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<v Speaker 4>Now I've got to high protein food you're going to

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<v Speaker 4>review for us today. And I think this is a

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<v Speaker 4>super interesting product because I think if you picked it

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<v Speaker 4>up as I did initially for one of my trolleys,

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<v Speaker 4>I thought it was going to be an amazing option.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's an interesting one, isn't it. The Sunny Queen

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<v Speaker 4>Bacon and Cheese protein bites. They're definitely in coals. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not sure if they're in Willies. But have you seen them?

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<v Speaker 2>I have seen them. I haven't tried them, I think

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<v Speaker 2>quite a while ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried them, but they were like a vegetarian version,

0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:00.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe with a bit of tomato or spinach or something.

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<v Speaker 2>And they were good.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's run through and we'll have a discussion because

0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:06.000
<v Speaker 1>they're interesting is a good word. So they're the Sunny

0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Queen Bacon and Cheese protein bytes. A bag is two

0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.480
<v Speaker 1>hundred grams and on the front of the packet the

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<v Speaker 1>three call outs are twenty seven grams of protein, so

0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.439
<v Speaker 1>high in protein, high in fiber, with seventeen grams of

0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:20.760
<v Speaker 1>carb and three hundred and eighty one calories included free.

0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:23.240
<v Speaker 1>So they're the call outs on the front of the pack. Now,

0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.000
<v Speaker 1>when we look at the ingredient list, it's pretty long

0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:28.119
<v Speaker 1>for like a little egg bite Like that was my

0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:30.640
<v Speaker 1>first sort of you know reference. I was like, that's

0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.600
<v Speaker 1>a long ingredient list. So it's exit sixty nine percent,

0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:38.960
<v Speaker 1>followed by skim milk powder, and then cheese with you know, milk, salt, cultures, enzymes,

0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:43.679
<v Speaker 1>anti caking, Adrian preservatives. Then you've got bacon, pork, water, salt, sugar,

0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.879
<v Speaker 1>and mulsified dextros. Then you've got some antioxidants, some acidity regulators,

0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:51.840
<v Speaker 1>some sodium nitrate, some flavor, some vegetable oil, some modified

0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:55.240
<v Speaker 1>corn starch, some stabilizers, some salt, some natural smoke flavor,

0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and some herbs. So definitely not what we would call

0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:02.040
<v Speaker 1>a very wholesome ingredient list. They are certainly using some

0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:05.919
<v Speaker 1>more processed foods to make up this processed food, but

0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.320
<v Speaker 1>it is sort of, I guess, aimed at a convenient,

0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:11.680
<v Speaker 1>protein based snack. So looking at the nutritionals, the first

0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.560
<v Speaker 1>thing that to me makes this very interesting was that

0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:16.760
<v Speaker 1>it's one server pack and I was like, that's a

0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.359
<v Speaker 1>big bag, so they expect you to eat that entire

0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:22.680
<v Speaker 1>two hundred grand bag in one serve. To me, I'd

0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:24.920
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh no, that's way too much flavor fatigue,

0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Like it's just too much. Like to me, you'd have

0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:28.800
<v Speaker 1>a couple as a snack, or you'd put a few

0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:31.040
<v Speaker 1>on the side of a meal, and that's a meal

0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:34.159
<v Speaker 1>in itself. I don't see any world where somebody's eating

0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:36.720
<v Speaker 1>an entire bag of these, So that's the first point

0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:39.600
<v Speaker 1>I'll make. But per serving, which is obviously the whole

0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:43.520
<v Speaker 1>two hundred grand bag, you've got basically sixteen hundred kilogels,

0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:47.159
<v Speaker 1>So that's like close to four hundred calories coming in

0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:49.480
<v Speaker 1>in just your little eggy protein botes. And yes, you're

0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:52.000
<v Speaker 1>getting twenty seven point six grams of protein, but I

0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:54.840
<v Speaker 1>could probably think of one hundred better ways to get

0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:57.320
<v Speaker 1>twenty seven grams of protein for four hundred calories, let's

0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:59.679
<v Speaker 1>be honest. So it's not what I would consider a

0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:04.200
<v Speaker 1>good protein load for the calorie ratio basically. And then

0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:07.000
<v Speaker 1>fat wise, it is twenty one grams of fat, so

0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:09.840
<v Speaker 1>about ten and a half percent fat, so not low fat,

0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:12.920
<v Speaker 1>a seven point two of that being saturated fat due

0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:16.159
<v Speaker 1>to I'm imagining the cheese and the bacon seventeen point

0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:20.200
<v Speaker 1>four gram of carbohydrate and six hundred milligrams of sodium,

0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:22.119
<v Speaker 1>which is a big whack of sodium. But again, I

0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:24.720
<v Speaker 1>don't think anyone's eating that whole bag. And then there's

0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:28.479
<v Speaker 1>a call out saying that it's high in fiber, and

0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:32.760
<v Speaker 1>then there's six grams of dietary fiber per little for

0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:34.560
<v Speaker 1>the entire bag as well, and I'm like, where is

0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:38.160
<v Speaker 1>this dietary fiber coming from? And I'm thinking that it's

0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:40.800
<v Speaker 1>the modified corn starch because that's the only thing on

0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:44.880
<v Speaker 1>the ingredient list I can see that would give you fiber.

0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Is that right?

0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:47.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm with you.

0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:50.119
<v Speaker 4>I just think that it's deeply misleading to be claiming

0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:52.800
<v Speaker 4>twenty seven grams of protein when you have.

0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:53.760
<v Speaker 3>To eat the whole bag.

0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:55.680
<v Speaker 4>Like, to me, it's a product you want to add

0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:58.359
<v Speaker 4>one or two in, and the protein on one or

0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:02.000
<v Speaker 4>two is so low. I'm thinking it's not even a

0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:06.080
<v Speaker 4>great egg option. Like yeah, So I just found it

0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:09.240
<v Speaker 4>fascinating because it looks really high protein, but the truth

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:13.720
<v Speaker 4>is perserve so yeah, like, yeah, it doesn't even tell

0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:15.440
<v Speaker 4>you how many you are in there to work out

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:20.359
<v Speaker 4>a serving. Yeah, but you're getting the three grams per one. Well,

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:22.120
<v Speaker 4>just eat an egg, you're going to get six or eight.

0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:27.240
<v Speaker 1>We'll literally get more protein out of one egg from

0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 1>a much better health perspective as well, you know you're

0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:31.560
<v Speaker 1>not getting the added bacon. And also, like in this

0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:34.200
<v Speaker 1>day and age, bacon it's not great, it's not healthy.

0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:36.119
<v Speaker 1>We know that, like it should really be a special

0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:38.520
<v Speaker 1>occasion kind of treat food, Whereas I feel like this

0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:41.160
<v Speaker 1>is marketed as a real convenient food that people would

0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 1>probably eat quite often. So you're never going to see

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:45.959
<v Speaker 1>me writing bacon into a meal plan unless it's, you know,

0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:48.440
<v Speaker 1>something that is a real soul food for someone and

0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.280
<v Speaker 1>sort of you know, maybe once or twice a month.

0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Definitely not something that you'd look at as a convenient

0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:54.679
<v Speaker 1>option a few times a week, which I believe is

0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:56.360
<v Speaker 1>how they're sort of marketing this product.

0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:58.240
<v Speaker 2>So I feel like they've missed the mark.

0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:00.560
<v Speaker 1>I feel like they've been a bit misleading, and it's

0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:03.600
<v Speaker 1>probably not something I would recommend, not the entire bag anyway,

0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:05.840
<v Speaker 1>not for four hundred calories and only twenty seven grams

0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:07.440
<v Speaker 1>of protein. As I said, I can think of far

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:09.120
<v Speaker 1>better ways to get that protein.

0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 4>In true, true, true, So I think it's just another

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:13.119
<v Speaker 4>example of how You've got to be careful whenever you

0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:16.960
<v Speaker 4>see a protein claim on supermarket foods, it's not always

0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:20.200
<v Speaker 4>better and it's not always used at the right time,

0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:22.119
<v Speaker 4>which is a good example of the yogurts. You know,

0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:23.560
<v Speaker 4>the yogats can be great in the day, but you

0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:25.879
<v Speaker 4>don't need it as a dessert. So it's not about

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 4>the more protein the better. It's about using it in

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:30.919
<v Speaker 4>strategic foods and generally speaking, when you get it from

0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:32.920
<v Speaker 4>whole natural foods, it's always going to be better from

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:36.240
<v Speaker 4>a more process variety like this. All right, Len, Our

0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:39.480
<v Speaker 4>final segment is our listener question, and this was one

0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:41.040
<v Speaker 4>that came through from a long term listening and a

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 4>call a big shout out to Nick asking about a

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:47.360
<v Speaker 4>reminder of nutritional guidelines for shift work. And I think

0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:49.840
<v Speaker 4>shift week's interesting because we think of it as overnight,

0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:51.600
<v Speaker 4>but it may not be. It might be just afternoon

0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:54.359
<v Speaker 4>shift where you're not finishing to eleven or starting a

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:56.560
<v Speaker 4>day shift at six am, so you're up at four

0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:59.399
<v Speaker 4>and wondering when to eat. So the most important thing

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 4>to remember for shift workers is the closer that you

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:05.200
<v Speaker 4>keep your food intake to your natural circadian rhythm where

0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:08.200
<v Speaker 4>you're eating the bulk of calories in daylight hours the better,

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 4>and there is an art to doing that when you're

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:14.040
<v Speaker 4>up overnight. But metabolically it doesn't matter that you're working overnight.

0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:16.199
<v Speaker 4>The body remains programmed to burn in the day and

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:19.040
<v Speaker 4>store at nighttime, which is why it's so easy for

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:22.359
<v Speaker 4>shift workers to gain weight. So a routine that I

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:25.399
<v Speaker 4>or regime I will encourage or try with my shift

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 4>workers is that if they are starting, for example, on

0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:32.679
<v Speaker 4>a night shift, where they might have their final bigger

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.480
<v Speaker 4>meal of the day before they start that shift, maybe

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.800
<v Speaker 4>eight or nine at night, and then try and still

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.960
<v Speaker 4>have eight hours minimum overnight without food. I'll come back

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:44.000
<v Speaker 4>to that in a minute. And then they might have

0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:46.440
<v Speaker 4>an early breakfast before they go and sleep for the day.

0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 4>So they might have a breakfast at five six am,

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:51.640
<v Speaker 4>then get home, have a sleep, wake up at three

0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:54.400
<v Speaker 4>or four, and then have kind of their lunch meal late.

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 4>Now that can work quite well. Then if they struggle

0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:00.440
<v Speaker 4>with neating snacks and things overnight, I'll try and keep

0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 4>the fuel load as low as possible, so I would

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 4>use lighter fruits, things like berries, plain tea, even things

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 4>like nuts that don't have a heavy carbohydrate load, so

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 4>if they do need a little top up snack to

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 4>keep alert, it's lower on the fuel side. So yeah,

0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:17.760
<v Speaker 4>it's trying not to have extra meals because of course

0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:19.879
<v Speaker 4>it's the same when we fly overseas. We tend to

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 4>eat an extra two meals on an overseas flight because

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 4>we're eating at both ends of the day. You've got

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:26.879
<v Speaker 4>to steal try and stick to kind of three meals

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:29.679
<v Speaker 4>and maybe one light snack, but minimize the calories that

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:32.360
<v Speaker 4>are going in overnight the best you can. And it's

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 4>like everything, it is a programming effect. If you've programmed

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.120
<v Speaker 4>to eat your biggest meal at two am, your body

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 4>will look for it. But really, ideally when it comes

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:43.640
<v Speaker 4>to metabolism and hormone control and weight control, you will

0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 4>be better if you can still have at least stay

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 4>between midnight and six am or ten and six am

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 4>or ten and five am without food with minimal calories

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:53.960
<v Speaker 4>going in, And that would be a timely And I

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.760
<v Speaker 4>would maybe use things like those sort of low sugar

0:27:56.880 --> 0:27:59.879
<v Speaker 4>lollies and things that people are having some calories but

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 4>minimal in terms of the better to have that than

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:04.760
<v Speaker 4>natural chocolate or miles bars to keep themselves up late

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:07.960
<v Speaker 4>at night, functional foods that are low sugar, just to

0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 4>keep them up if they need it, but really trying

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:12.960
<v Speaker 4>to work on minimizing the intake of food overnight.

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:14.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's a.

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Really tricky one because shipwork in general, breaks are so sporadic.

0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Like I have so many of my ladies who are

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, they might be doctors, nurses, that kind of thing,

0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:24.680
<v Speaker 1>and like it's so hit and miss whether they even

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.160
<v Speaker 1>get a meal break. Like, yes, legally they should, but

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 1>the reality is that often, particularly during day shifts, things

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:32.679
<v Speaker 1>can just go sideways so quickly, and you know, if

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 1>I've got some clients that are doctors or nurses and

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:36.679
<v Speaker 1>they're in a surgery or something, they might be in

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 1>there for eight, ten, twelve hours, like they just don't

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 1>really get that regular meal break. So I do find

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 1>the benefit of my shift workers on overnight shifts is

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 1>that you do sort of get that opportunity to have

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more of a regular meal break because

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.760
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't tend to be as chaotic overnight than it

0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 1>does during the day. But I think that with shipwork,

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.480
<v Speaker 1>your bodyclock is so disrupted, and I think for a

0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of people they don't regularly do that shift where

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:02.960
<v Speaker 1>it's overnight. They might do it for say a week on,

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks off, then go back on it again.

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 1>So it makes it so difficult for your body clock,

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 1>and it really does throw off things like your hunger hormone,

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 1>your energy levels, even digestion can go way off when

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 1>you're doing overnight shifts or different shift work. So I think,

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 1>like you said, Susie, that consistent meal timing and that

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>structure is really key to staying in control. So really

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 1>set yourself a goal like, as Susie said, have you

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 1>a bigger meal just before you start. To me, I

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 1>like to sort of have that early morning meal. Like

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I think, to me, going eight ten hours without a

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 1>proper meal is a really really long time. I know myself,

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 1>I would really struggle with that. So if I am

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 1>going to get a meal break and it might be

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>around that sort of two three am, I would encourage

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 1>someone to have sort of a breakfast meal, then when

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 1>they come home, have something quite light and go straight

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 1>to bed, rather than trying not to eat overnight and

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 1>then having a big meal and then going directly to bed.

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 1>So I'd sort of do that a little bit differently

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>where they're coming home, they're having something light like a

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:00.600
<v Speaker 1>little bit of a snack and maybe a tea, and

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>then they're heading off for their big sleep. So I

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 1>think it is that structure, however it works for you,

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 1>is super important. But the probably the most important thing

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 1>is to minimize snacking as much as possible, and it's

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 1>so difficult, particularly if you are in a hospital. Susie

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 1>and I've both worked in hospitals before. There's just food everywhere.

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>There's there's biscuits, there's lollies, there's chocolate, like patients bring

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 1>you gifts. It's just food absolutely everywhere. So it's it's

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 1>easier said than done. Don't snack, but it is really

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 1>something that if you can try to prioritize, minimize the

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 1>snacking and go for really those balanced meals because you

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 1>need that vegetable load, you need that lower GI carbohydrate,

0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 1>you need that adequate amount of protein to really get

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 1>you through those massive shifts and prevent a lot of

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:43.960
<v Speaker 1>that fatigue or those blood sugar spikes and drops. So

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 1>that's probably the most effective strategy for shift working is

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 1>balance meals, but trying to get the timing of those right,

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 1>like Susie said, and it will work a little bit

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:55.200
<v Speaker 1>different to everyone, but ideally you still want to be

0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 1>having a good three four hours between meals, even if

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 1>you are on an overnight shift, and you're better off

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 1>to have a well balanced meal then trying to eat

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote lightly and just having a snack every one

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>or two hours, which I feel like people might do

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>because they feel like it's lighter, but the reality is

0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>it's actually more calories overall, and it does tend to

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<v Speaker 1>be heavier in terms of carbohydrates in fats than what

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<v Speaker 1>a well balanced meal may be as well. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>probably a good little takeaway frashship workers is try to

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<v Speaker 1>maintain that structure as much as possible, focus on well

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<v Speaker 1>balanced meals, and try as best as you can to

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<v Speaker 1>minimize that snacking if you can.

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