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Speaker 1: I found it quite funny because Amy was saying that

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Speaker 1: they know, at the end of the day, they could

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Speaker 1: and before we get into the whole privacy issue, I

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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people were driven to

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to know the address. I don't think

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Speaker 1: to be fair, you could argue, oh, well, people could

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Speaker 1: and they've been teasing it the whole time. Chloe put

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Speaker 1: this because I'm sorry, this is what's happening at the moment.

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00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,399
Speaker 1: This is a colored woman who is being called a

430
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 1: bully simply for telling a work colleague off. Sorry, a

431
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 1: work colleague her pa off. Yeah, And we've got to

432
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 1: remember she's in charge there, that she is in the

433
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 1: situation where she is the boss, So why can't she

434
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 1: tell someone that you know, they've actually made a mistake,

435
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 1: that this person was not meant to be there. Just

436
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 1: on your point, Sophie, about the discussion of how men

437
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: and women are portrayed differently. This article that was printed

438
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 1: by The Daily Mail about the accusations. They were just

439
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 1: so glowing of Harry. Everything was like, oh, this Megan,

440
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 1: She's tricked Harry into this. The way they described Harry

441
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 1: was as if he's some sweet little puppy dog that's

442
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 1: been tricked into leaving the Royal family all for Meghan. Well,

443
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 1: it's the whole narrative that Buckingham Palace has been perpetuating

444
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 1: the whole time. And it is really interesting to look

445
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 1: at the statement they put out and this statement, it's

446
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 1: been described as a highly unusual statement. So the Palace

447
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 1: said on social media they're very concerned about the allegations

448
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 1: and that their HR team will be looking into the

449
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: circumstances outlined in the Times article. It said members of

450
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,360
Speaker 1: staff involved at the time, including those who have left

451
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: their household, will be invited to participate to see if

452
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: lessons can be learnt. It also said that the Royal

453
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 1: Household does not and will not tolerate bullying or harassment

454
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 1: in the workplace. I wonder if this could be the

455
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: same if it came out that Prince William and Kate Middleton.

456
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: Do you know what really annoys me? And maybe this

457
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: is because of the background, so and I have both

458
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 1: experienced in previous workplaces. I just feel like this narrative

459
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: is always created that a woman is a bully, and

460
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 1: it's so hard if you've been accused of something like that,

461
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,959
Speaker 1: it is so hard to say no, I actually I'm not.

462
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: It's because mud sticks, exactly right. I was going to

463
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 1: say that mud sticks. And this is a clear smear

464
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,959
Speaker 1: campaign to discredit everything Meghan is about to say in

465
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: this interview with Oprah Winfrey, which makes me even more

466
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: interested to watch the interview because obviously some explosive claims

467
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 1: are going to come out. Well, that's right. Meghan has

468
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: issued a statement denying the bulling, of course, and saying

469
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: that it is an attack on her character. So Harry

470
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: and Meghan issued a legal letter to the Times with

471
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: their lawyers, accusing the publication of being used by Buckingham

472
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 1: Palace to peddle a holy false narrative. The letter said,

473
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: let's just call this what it is, a calculated smear

474
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: campaign based on misleading and harmful misinformation. We are disappointed

475
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: to see this defamatory betrayal of the Duchess of Sussex

476
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 1: given credibility by a media outlet. It's no coincidence that distorted.

477
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 1: Several year old accusations aimed at undermining the Duchess are

478
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: being brief to the British media shortly before she and

479
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: the Duke are set to speak openly and honestly about

480
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: their experience of recent years. Exactly right. The timing is

481
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,719
Speaker 1: just ridiculous, Like, how are we supposed to believe that

482
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: this has organically come out at this time? I mean,

483
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: there were rumors a couple of years ago that the

484
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: staffers weren't happy with Meghan, And as everyone's been saying,

485
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: this is just an image that they keep trying to

486
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: push out there that Megan is not a very nice person,

487
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: and it's something that a lot of people want to

488
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 1: believe because she is attractive, she is smart, she is

489
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: a famous person before Harry. She stands on her own.

490
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: People are jealous and don't like that. No, do you

491
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: know what. People don't like strong women, which is why

492
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: they try and tear them down all the time, and

493
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: it is their own inbuilt misogyny that is leading to

494
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: these kind of articles coming out. Let's just credit Megan.

495
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: Let's make her seem like a liar, not kisses me off.

496
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 1: As well, the fact that the Oprah interview has been

497
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: pre recorded, so they can't even talk about these latest allegations.

498
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: What I find quite funny is do have they not

499
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: heard that everyone's been watching the Crown. I know that

500
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: sounds so stupid. We've seen all the background of what

501
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: goes on with the press, secretaries of everything this is.

502
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: We're all clued up. It's to exactly what is happening

503
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: right now. Did anyone see Harry talking about the Crown

504
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 1: on James Corden that? I feel like that appearance on

505
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: the Late Late Show was a beautiful piece of pr

506
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: and that's what annoys me. I feel like they've seen

507
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: how popular and how likable Harry and Meghan have come

508
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,479
Speaker 1: across in this interview, and they've thought, what can we

509
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: do to discredit them? Just a side note, because I

510
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: feel like we need to talk about that interview. It

511
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: was amazing, like they stopped at the Fresh Prince of

512
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: Belair's house and they were sort of joking that they

513
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: were going to buy the house, and they got Megan

514
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: on the phone and of course she looks stunning. However,

515
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 1: Harry legitimately needed to use the bathroom. So we're inside,

516
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: I said, Terese, because we were watching it together, I'm like,

517
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: can you imagine if Prince Harry was like, oh can

518
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,719
Speaker 1: I just duck in to use your toilet? The panic

519
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: that would overcome me, thinking is it clean? I love

520
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: as well that he said that his grandma bought Archie

521
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: a waffle maker aka the Queen for Christmas. I just

522
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: love all those little details because it does remind you

523
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: that they are of real people. And the bullshit that

524
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 1: he said that Archie's first word was crocodile, Like, how

525
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: can a baby's first word be a three syllable word? Oh?

526
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: Like that? I think he'd be lying, though, Really, I

527
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: find it very hard to belong. I mean, I don't

528
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: have children, so I don't know. But ye talking about

529
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: media appearances and this upcoming interview, have you guys heard

530
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: the excerpt from this Oprah interview? I have hens wamsocks,

531
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So basically we hear Oprah say, how

532
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: do you feel about the powers hearing you speak your

533
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: truth today? Which one I find so funny because Oprah

534
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: is always about speaking your truth. Bloody love Oprah. So

535
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: I like a little glass as she's got. I'm just

536
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: throwing that she's actually still doing interviews, which is bloody

537
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: gray only top nochals. Yeah, so Meghan responded, I don't

538
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: know how they could expect that after all of this time,

539
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: we would just be silent if there is an active

540
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: role that the firm is playing in perpetuating falsehoods about us.

541
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: So the firm is, of course the British Royal Family,

542
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: and they sometimes use that term to describe themselves. She

543
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: went on to say, And if that comes with risk

544
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: of losing things, I mean there's a lot that's already

545
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: being lost. It just is so reminiscent of the Princess

546
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: Diana era. And I know that there are a lot

547
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: of conspiracy theories around her death, and one of them,

548
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: of course involved the Royal family, and a lot of

549
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: people think that they potentially could be behind her death.

550
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: And to be honest, I really hope that's not the case.

551
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: But when you think about the fact that she was

552
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: about to marry a that she was about to marry

553
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: a Muslim man and in that time the nineties, that

554
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: was so against what the Royal family was about, it

555
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: really does make you think. And the fact that it

556
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: is so orchestrated at the moment the Royal family have

557
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: the media in their pockets. Did anyone else see the

558
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: rumors today that have come out. I mean it's from

559
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail, so who knows how true it is,

560
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: but they're basically saying that Meghan has accused Camilla and

561
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: Kate Middleton of leaking these reports. Oh my gosh, it

562
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,239
Speaker 1: blows my mind that the press are now trying to

563
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: go women against women. It's a big cat fight now.

564
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: I don't really believe any of that. I don't think

565
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: that Kate Middleton or Camilla have the power to be

566
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: leaking these They have nothing to blood of it. It's

567
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: actually so ridiculous. I mean, is this the same publication

568
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: that announced that Meghan and Harry had broken up on

569
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: the day they announced they were pregnant with their second child.

570
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous. Kay, you were talking before about the

571
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: Princess Diana era, an era that I love. I utterly

572
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: adore Princess Diana, but sometimes I think about how her

573
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: era would have been changed with social media because at

574
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: the moment, the page called demurt ca can you pronounce

575
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: I think it's doumoir, However it's pronounced it's because it's

576
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: two and me oh okay in French. Well, Anyway, there

577
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: we did Frendship year eight. We discussed them a few

578
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: weeks ago because they are similar to seleb spell check,

579
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: but they report on huge celebrities. Anyway, they've been posting

580
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: a lot about the Megan Marcule saga at the moment,

581
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: and they shared an anonymous email that was allegedly sent

582
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: in by someone who used to work with the palace

583
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: assistant who's at the center of these claims. So excellent.

584
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: Basically someone has written in who used to work with

585
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: the PA who's made these complaints about Meghan. So this

586
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: girl was a referee when this worker went for a

587
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: job at the palace. So basically, unbeknownst to me, in England,

588
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: you were not allowed to actually give a thoroughly true

589
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: through report about something. Isn't it just a negative report? Yeah?

590
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: Negative report? So does that basically mean if someone you

591
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: ring someone in England and says, oh, what did you

592
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: think of this person? You just say, yes, they worked here,

593
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: like you don't emive them any positive But you can't.

594
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: It's bizarre to me because what's the point of having

595
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: a referee. Yeah, it seems utterly ridiculous. But so this

596
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: anonymous person wrote in and said that in reality, the

597
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: person who was hired as Meghan's PA had zero experience

598
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: and embellished her CV. So she said that this woman,

599
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: this new PA, was planning a historic wedding, which was

600
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: very different to the limited task she was used to

601
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: doing at the workplace. So, reading between the lines, what

602
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: you could take from this is that this person who

603
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: is being referred to in the story, this staffer, they're

604
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: not particularly great at their job and that's why they

605
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: might have been told off by Megan. Yeah, said that, Yeah,

606
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: it's that they're not up for the job. She's had

607
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: a PA who doesn't even know the basics yet. When

608
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: you're a PA for the Duchess of the Sussex, there's

609
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: a lot on your agenda to do and you have

610
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 1: to be a very very organized person. It's basically your

611
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: whole life. From what we see on the Crown, they

612
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: are very close to the royal family. I do find

613
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: it's fascinating that the royal family hides someone so inept

614
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: and out of their death for such an important role.

615
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: It does make me have question marks whether that this

616
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: was something that they purposely did. Do you know what's

617
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: crazy to me is the fact that the Royal family

618
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: has come out with this massive press release talking about

619
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: how they're going to look into these claims. What about

620
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: all the claims against Prince Andrew. They've been extremely tight

621
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: lipped about that, exactly right, So hang on, Meghan Michael

622
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: making a staff member cry because they weren't good enough

623
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,479
Speaker 1: at their job is the same level or sorry, worse

624
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: than Prince Andrew being a pediphra caate. You forgot to

625
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: mention that she also didn't wear a hat to meet

626
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: the Queen and that's probably that's another one of the

627
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: things that she's done, right, the height of rudeness, And

628
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: that's the whole the whole point is that they have

629
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: launched an official investigation into her conduct and these bullying claims.

630
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: Yet no official investigation has been launched into Prince Andrew's

631
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: friendship with the late with a late child sex offender

632
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: and also his own sexual abuse claim scutt. Yeah, it's

633
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: just ridiculous. I mean, they did do that really great

634
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: interview with him where he made himself look like the

635
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: biggest fucking lie. Ever. What is so clear is that

636
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: Meghan has been used, now for a number of years

637
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: to deflect away from the real issues that are going

638
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: on in the Royal family. Someone else wrote into Jamois

639
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: and said that they were a family member of someone

640
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: who worked as a staffer there, and it sounded like

641
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: stories started circulating around Meghan the second that news broke

642
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: that Prince William may be cheating on Kate Middleton and

643
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: this may become as news to a lot of people

644
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: because this really hasn't been broadly reported in the press,

645
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: and it sounds like their Royal family are so hell

646
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: bent on protecting the crown, which amy they spoke about

647
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: a lot on the show. They are so help bent

648
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: on protecting the crown and making sure that the future

649
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: king is seen in the best eyes possible. So not

650
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: only has she been used to deflect blame off Prince William,

651
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: but also now Prince Andrew. Well, this whole storyline of

652
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: this movie star coming in and fucking up the Royal

653
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: family isn't a new one because back with King Edward,

654
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: he actually abdicated the throne and ran away with movie

655
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: star Wallace Simpson, and that ate lot of issues for

656
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Speaker 1: the Royal family. I forgot Kate. She was a divorce

657
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: a as a divorcee like Meghan, I mean, she she

658
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: wasn't black so well, I just was American. Yeah, do

659
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Speaker 1: you know what I just don't understand. This was the

660
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: Royal famili's one chance to be really cool and up

661
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: with the times and relevant diverse. This is a woman

662
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: who is mixed race. She's a fucking movie star. She's

663
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: incredibly articulate, she's smart, she's an activist, she's a feminist.

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Speaker 1: She's everything that jen Zea's and millennials are looking for

665
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: and looking to look up to. Yet we have this stuffy, old,

666
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Speaker 1: bloody woman who has an issue with her for some reason.

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00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: Well I don't know if it's just the queen that

668
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: has an issue with her. I think it's the whole

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00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: establishment and again his repeating himself. We've seen this with

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00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: Princess Diana. Princess Diana was the people's princess and she

671
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: was doing absolutely amazing things, and she was sadly cut

672
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: down in her prime. And I just really hope that

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Speaker 1: Prince Harry and Meghan have got away in time and

674
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: are able to act continue the positive work that Princess

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Speaker 1: Diana was doing, because I feel like Harry very much

676
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: falls into the background here, but from what I've heard

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Speaker 1: of him recently, I'm very impressed and I'm very excited

678
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: to see what he does now that he is free

679
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: from the royal family. And for those who are interested

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00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: in tuning into this Oprah interview, it's going to be

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00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: on ten and ten play at seven thirty. I'm so

682
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: excited to hear what happens. There's a hair on your face?

683
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: Can I get it? Probably your rang a fucking hair.

684
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: It's all over my bathroom floor. I'd pick it up.

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00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: Let's get into the influencer rap and it's going to

686
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: be a little bit different today because we decided we

687
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: wanted to do a deep dive into Alie Orton's active

688
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: wear launch, which happened on Friday. Amy, can you fill

689
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: us in because you've caused a little bit of controversy

690
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: online regarding the event I have. Well, on Friday, I

691
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: was flicking through my Instagram story and I noticed that

692
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: Talia Scaines had attended an event for Muscle Republic Apparel,

693
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: which is an active wear brand that name just completely

694
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: rolls off the It just screams diversity and a brand

695
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: that I'd want to wear exactly. Well. The lie by

696
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: Ali Orton is called Sugar. Can I just say it's

697
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: a very ironic name for an active web brand. It's

698
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: not very healthy, No, it's not. So Basically, this was

699
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: a typical influencer event. They had a booty bands all

700
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: set up for the girls, I had fitness mats out,

701
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: so everyone was doing a bit of exercise. But the

702
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: thing that stood out the most was a complete lack

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00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: of diversity in terms of the influencers that were invited

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00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: to this event. Now, I feel like this comment in

705
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: our group summed up the photo very well, is that

706
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: this photo bullied me and told me I was a

707
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: dog at high school. I've got to say I felt

708
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: like I was transported back into twenty fourteen, when influencer

709
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: events were a new thing, because literally everyone at the

710
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: event looked exactly the same they did. I think the

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00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: only thing that was different about these girls was that

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00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: there was a slightly different shade of blonde hair to

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00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: all of them. There were a couple of brunettes too,

714
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: So if you don't forget that yet, and I do

715
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: want to point out, one of the girls is half Filipino.

716
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: Look that's a step in the right direction that they

717
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: did have someone with Filipino background. However, when I look

718
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: at that photo, I see a lot of girls that

719
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: look white. I would like to see some color in there.

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00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: I'd like to see black women. I would like to

721
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: see women with disabilities, different ages, different body types. I mean,

722
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: the women are size six to eight in the photo. Well,

723
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: as you said, Kate, all of the girls had the

724
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: same skin tone, and that was one issue that a

725
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: lot of people in our Facebook community were really upset about.

726
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: When I did share this photo, a lot of people

727
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: went over to the brand's Instagram page and started questioning

728
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: why there was such a lack of diversity. And I

729
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: think the most shocking thing is this brand's reaction to

730
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: those comments. It's funny because their PR manager was replying

731
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: to the comments asking about the lack of diversity. And

732
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: I would be very surprised if this person actually had

733
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: a degree in PR, because it looks like an absolute

734
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: PR nightmare unfolding on that Instagram. That's exactly what it is, Kate. So,

735
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: in response to a comment calling for more diversity, the

736
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: brand wrote back, we had multiple girls invited that were

737
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: curvier sizes. They were unable to make the event last minute,

738
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: and your comments are making our other guests feel as

739
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: if they aren't enough. So basically, they're throwing an insult

740
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: back at this person who is concerned about the lack

741
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: of diversity, saying that, oh, no, you're making our girls

742
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable. Oh, it's so sad that the privileged white

743
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 1: women who were size six are feeling uncomfortable. What about

744
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: the women that look at those photos and don't see

745
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: themselves reflected back and feel like shit? What didn't They

746
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: also point out that, you know, oh, in the photo,

747
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: we did have some people wearing medium sized clothes. Yeah,

748
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: so they said that some of the girls were a

749
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: size medium and they also had Asian heritage in them,

750
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: which I thought was really odd to point out in

751
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: such a way. It actually makes me feel sick to

752
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: pointing out that this person has a bit of Asian heritage. Yeah. Well,

753
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: things actually got worse after these comments were posted. The

754
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: brand then shut down the ability for people to be

755
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: able to comment on the photo of the influencers the event.

756
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: They then put up a photo of a woman who

757
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: was also at the event who was a plus sized woman.

758
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: They wrote, check out Anna wearing a size fourteen. She's

759
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: an extra large in the top and the large in

760
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: the bottom. It was so obvious they only did this

761
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: to deflect comments and say, oh, look, we did have

762
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: someone plus size at the event. What someone pointed out, though,

763
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: was this woman was not featured in the influence of photo,

764
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: which made me do a little bit of research. So

765
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: I clicked on this girl's page and it turns out

766
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: she's actually a graphic designer for the brand, so she

767
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: was not invited to the event. She was working at

768
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: the event, and she still wasn't included in the photo.

769
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: It just appears to be very token, is stick And

770
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: this second thought, let's just chuck anyone who's over a

771
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: sized ten it appears to be in any sort of

772
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: active where and just act like we're doing the right thing. Well,

773
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: it's quite clear that they were scrambling to find any

774
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: evidence of someone bigger than a size eight at the event,

775
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: and they had to go with a staff member there

776
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: that didn't even well, that wasn't even allowed to be

777
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: in the main photo. To make matters worse, the pr

778
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: man d're on Instagram claimed that they had invited curvier

779
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: girls to the event, but the large to extra large

780
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: women had canceled last minute. Now I would really like

781
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: to know who they invited to that event. I didn't

782
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: like how the blame was put on those who dared

783
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: not to attend the event. And it also made me

784
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: think that maybe a lot of the girls all look

785
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: the same because they're all the influencer Ali's friends, because

786
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of the time that these

787
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: influencers only hang out with people who look like that.

788
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I will be watching a vlog with Tyliscaines.

789
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: I think it was the Chris Kringle vlog and she

790
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: literally was sitting there and every single girl there had

791
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 1: blonde hair, fake boobs, was tanned, was a sire six

792
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: to eight, and was wearing some sort of revealing outfit.

793
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you guys look like carbon copies. I

794
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: feel like they look more identical than the three of us. Yeah. Well,

795
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: we've actually reached out to Muscle Republic to ask the

796
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: question of who were the plus size influencers that this

797
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: brand actually invited to the event that pulled out last minute,

798
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: and unsurprisingly, they're yet to respond with the names of

799
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: these influences. If they do, we will put them in

800
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: our Facebook community. The other issue that's raised is the

801
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: sizing of all of these activewear companies. So this particular brand,

802
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: this Sugar collection, it only goes up to an extra large,

803
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: and this is quite common for many active wear brands,

804
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: so Jim Shark and Zep they only go up to

805
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: an extra large. White Fox Boutique stocks an extra extra large.

806
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: Lulu Lemon only goes to a size sixteen, and to

807
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: my knowledge, Stacks and Brittney Saunder's active wear line are

808
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: some of the only brands that go up to a

809
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: four XL. And what's also disturbing is previously Ali Orton

810
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: confirmed by her Instagram that the Muscle Republic apparel runs small,

811
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: so normally she's an extra small and she has to

812
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: and she can only fit into as small in this line.

813
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: So basically, if eurosize fourteen to sixteen, there's going to

814
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: be a high chance that you can't even fit into

815
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: these active wear clothing. At the end of the day,

816
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: it's just bad business. And when you look at a

817
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: successful company like Stacks, who have embraced diversity, it is

818
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: crazy that other brands like Sugar are not doing the same. Well,

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00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. Thank

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00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us again, and if you

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00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,000
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