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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty ninth of November. I'm Sam, I'm Zara. Professional

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Speaker 2: Australian netball players haven't been paid since the end of September,

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Speaker 3: Going on nine weeks is a very very long time

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Speaker 2: So there's kindly this new CPA deal being negotiated with

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