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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of the sit Down.

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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Trolop, a writer for ozopen dot com.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Viv Christim, managing editor of Australian Tennis magazine

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Speaker 2: and Matt, why are we sitting down this week with

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Speaker 2: Andrea Petkevic?

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Speaker 3: Well, Viv.

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Speaker 1: We were lucky enough to get some time with Andrea

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Speaker 1: from Berlin, where she was in town preparing to commentate

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Speaker 1: for the Labor Cup, and we thought it would be

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Speaker 1: a great opportunity to talk to her about all things tennis.

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Speaker 1: She's such an interesting figure in the game. Her playing

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Speaker 1: career was so long and span generations, and she's moved

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Speaker 1: into the commentary and media space since she's retired. She's

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Speaker 1: still really connected with the sport and has such interesting

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Speaker 1: ideas about it, and she's such a great analyst. So

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Speaker 1: this was a really fascinating chat and we hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. Thank you so much for joining us on

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Speaker 1: the sit Down. It's great to chat with you and

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Speaker 1: we really appreciate your time today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited.

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Speaker 4: It's an exciting time for tennis in Germany. We talked

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Speaker 4: to Tobinbolts last week for the sitdown, and he talked

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Speaker 4: about tennis in Germany being on a bit of an upswing.

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Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 3: I agree with him in some way. I do think

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Speaker 3: that it's hard as a not tennis expert, let's say,

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Speaker 3: just because we've had this golden generation of players like

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Speaker 3: Angie Kerber and Julia Gergiz and all these fantastic young

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Speaker 3: women who are young for life but old for sports

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Speaker 3: and have retired, and so it's maybe hard to see

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Speaker 3: for people who are not in tennis that we have

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Speaker 3: young talents coming up and on the women's side, and

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Speaker 3: then of course on the men's side, we've had one

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Speaker 3: of the best male players ever in Germany since Boris

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Speaker 3: Bekka and mich In Alexander Zverev, who's just a top

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Speaker 3: five player on such a consistent basis. He hasn't quite

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Speaker 3: been able to get that major title, but I just

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Speaker 3: think in terms of consistency and and winning titles and

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Speaker 3: competing with the best in the world, he's really one

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Speaker 3: of the best male players we've ever had in Germany,

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Speaker 3: and so he's generating a lot of attention and hopefully

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Speaker 3: more tennis fans to flock to the tennis tournaments. But

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Speaker 3: just tennis is trending everywhere. I live in New York

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Speaker 3: and in Germany, and I see around me all these

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Speaker 4: You mentioned Angie Kerber earlier. She obviously ended her iconic

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Speaker 3: I have, Yeah, we are in close contact. We've actually

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Speaker 3: been closer since I retired, just because I have also

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Speaker 3: more time to go see her, and before we were

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen her since the Paras Olympics, but I

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Speaker 3: I think staying she's happy is a stretch because it's

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Speaker 3: always change. I've been there. It's always change to retire

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Speaker 3: Angie loved playing tennis, loved being a tennis player. But

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Speaker 3: she's happy that she's made the decision, and she's happy

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Speaker 3: that she has been able to retire in that manner

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Speaker 3: because her showing at the paras Olympics was absolutely phenomenal.

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Speaker 3: She played some great tennis and she also played and

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Speaker 3: away ag Kerber always played, which was fighting to the

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Speaker 3: last point, sweating blood, sweat and tears basically, And so

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Speaker 3: that was really really exciting. But it's normal to take

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Speaker 3: some time to get used to your new life. It

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Speaker 4: Your own retirement was two years ago. How did you

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Speaker 4: grapple with that decision? And was it an easy transition

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Speaker 3: So before the transition, it wasn't easily at all. The

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Speaker 3: to retire. I really loved playing tennis. I really loved

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Speaker 3: But I could feel that it was time for me.

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Speaker 3: My body wasn't as able anymore to practice all these

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Speaker 3: the last three four months were really before I retired

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Speaker 3: it was much easier than expected because after before I

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Speaker 3: So the transition itself wasn't as bad, but the moments

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Speaker 1: So me we definitely want to talk about that busyness

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Speaker 1: with you Andrea. But first of all, it would be

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Speaker 1: great to reflect on your career. Certainly watching your career,

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Speaker 1: the things that stood out for me were twenty eleven

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Speaker 1: when you made the three Grand Slam quarterfinals. You cracked

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Speaker 1: first year I went to Roland Garros was twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 1: and I remember you beating a Rani in the quarterfinals.

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Speaker 1: It was an incredible performance and you made your first

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Speaker 1: they are your career highlights. Do you remember it the

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Speaker 3: I know, I think you now there are. In this

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Speaker 3: And I think that's also where the semifinal run at

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, I think though were my hadhlights. But

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Speaker 3: I had this strange existential crisis where I was like,

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Speaker 3: obviously retiring with one of the goats in women's tennis

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Speaker 3: And I can just really to all the active tennis players.

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Speaker 3: That's the only message I have for them. What you

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Speaker 3: you've given it. You're all now I find much more

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Speaker 3: interesting when you get older how much more you value

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Speaker 3: I can tell young players that even if you maybe

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Speaker 3: with then you if you know you've done it all

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Speaker 1: That sounds like a healthy perspective. We like that, And

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Speaker 1: I just wonder, Yeah, like thinking about all those names

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Speaker 3: tennis player. So what comes with writing is watching, right.

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Speaker 3: I was always a very keen observer of everything around me,

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Speaker 3: and I would watch all these girls and all these

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Speaker 3: And how they trained, how they ate, how they slept,

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Speaker 3: all these things that sounded creepy, how they I didn't

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Speaker 3: So that was always a big yeah, something that I

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Speaker 1: This is the narrative around Big Three, Big four and

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Speaker 1: the game, but it seems tennis is replenishing, like is

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Speaker 1: that an exciting time? So that was one question. Well,

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Speaker 1: the other one was if your tennis commissioner for a day,

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Speaker 3: I will start with a tennis commissioner because that's a

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Speaker 3: very short answer. How I would do it in major tournaments.

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Speaker 3: I would have everyone men and women play best of

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Speaker 3: but I think it would be the perfect from it.

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Speaker 3: So that's me. I can also argue for it, but

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Speaker 3: I'll keep that for another day. Yes, and what I

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Speaker 3: your question, don't worry is I think the game is

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Speaker 3: bigger than its stars. We think that the stars make

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Speaker 3: the sport, but I think the sport makes the stars

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Speaker 3: the very specific way Hennies works with the one on

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Speaker 3: you have to win the last point. It's such mental

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Speaker 3: challenges that it breeds stars and we will always have stars,

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Speaker 3: and some shine brighter than the others, talking about Roger

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Speaker 3: Federer obviously and Serena Williams. But this sport will always

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Speaker 3: breed stars. It just makes stars the way the mental

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Speaker 3: challenges are presented to them. And so I'm never worried

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Speaker 3: about the sport. And what is also great, it's a

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Speaker 3: global sport. So if Germany is not watching because we

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Speaker 3: don't have a star, Spain will because Kylos Alcaraz is there,

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Speaker 3: or Italy will because Jannick Sinner is there, or Australia

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Speaker 3: will because the next Aussie star is just around the corner.

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Speaker 3: And so I think that's the biggest strength of tennis,

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Speaker 3: that it's a global sport.

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Speaker 2: Well, Matt, what a note to finish on tennis makes

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Speaker 2: the stars, not the stars making tennis. Incredible insight from Andrea,

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Speaker 2: who always brought something a little extra to her time

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was just struck talking to Andrea during

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Speaker 1: that interview. We're talking to her in English, which I

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Speaker 1: think is her third language, and she's just lived this

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Speaker 1: incredibly global life, Like now she's living in New York,

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Speaker 1: She's grown up in different places, and she's just got

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Speaker 1: such a cool, worldly perspective. I really appreciated that. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: we were lucky to talk to her.

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Speaker 2: I love how she threw and that she'd written a

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Speaker 2: couple of books while she was still playing tennis as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back again next Monday with another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Sitdown, but in the meantime, you can listen to

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Speaker 1: John and the team this Thursday on the Aoshow Weekly.

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Speaker 2: Details for how to contact us or in the show notes,

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Speaker 2: Please remember to subscribe, rate, and review.

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Speaker 3: See you next week, Matt, see vib