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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio right now is Commander of

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Speaker 1: Darwin and Road Policing, Danny Bacon.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, great have you in the studio now?

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you firstly, because the Northern Territory government

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Speaker 1: has indeed released their review into alcohol policy. Now, we

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Speaker 1: know that one of the things that's been discussed at

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Speaker 1: lengths over the last couple of days is the two

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Speaker 1: kilometer rule. What's the situation at the moment? Can police

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Speaker 1: tip out alcohol within that two kilometer distance from a

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Speaker 1: takeaway out let?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Please can? And please do? I suppose that the

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Speaker 3: two key answers to that question obviously the Alcohol Policy

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Speaker 3: paper though, looks that Legisley performed to strengthen our powers

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Speaker 3: powers to assist us in alcohol management, particularly as they

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Speaker 3: relate to offending, repeat offending that to a area. What

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Speaker 3: does that look like in a BDR perspective?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so do you reckon there is different ways

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Speaker 1: with that two k rule, that different ways that it

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Speaker 1: might be able to be used that would be helpful.

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Speaker 2: To the police. Provides sort of more tools than your

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Speaker 3: I think any additional tool, certainly from a policing perspective,

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Speaker 3: will assist us. There's no one silver ball, as you're

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Speaker 3: well aware, in the our Cooho management space, So any

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Speaker 3: sort of additional ladiship reform and facilative powers that police

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Speaker 3: have in this books to manage alcohol in our community

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Speaker 3: would certainly be welcome.

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Speaker 1: Now, look, I'm very aware that the Northern Territory Police

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Speaker 1: legislation that comes from the Northern Territory government. So I

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Speaker 1: don't want to put you, as an operational member of

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Speaker 1: I do just want to ask. That discussion paper for

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Speaker 1: the review also suggested that to address public drinking and

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Speaker 1: the associated anti social behavior, that the Liquorict be amended

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Speaker 1: to empower other appointed officers such as transit officers, public

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Speaker 1: individuals and sees any unopened container that's believed to contain liquor.

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Speaker 1: But it is also pointed out in that report that

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Speaker 1: there have been concerns raised by police that it could

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Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly when there's any sort of legisative reform, a

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Speaker 3: number of those reform certainly circulated amongst government agencies. Police,

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Speaker 3: like any other government agency, provide some comment to sort

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Speaker 3: been highlighted by agency, just that if government are intended

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Speaker 3: have well the advice that we've sort of provised a

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Speaker 3: need to look a bit broader in regards to that.

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Speaker 1: Now I want to ask you, commander, there's been quite

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Speaker 1: a bit going on, and earlier this week police had

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Speaker 1: scanned more than two hundred people in the Greater Darwin area.

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Speaker 1: I even got a message from someone saying that they

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Speaker 3: As said, many sort of new bits of legislation. We're

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Speaker 3: obviously out there to see if we can operationalize those

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Speaker 3: across Darn, we've run six separate operations in high risk

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Speaker 3: areas as you indicate just able to and forty people

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Speaker 3: Most of those have been scissors, which appears have been

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Speaker 1: So they've actually they have told you that that's what

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Speaker 2: Interesting, that's like, that is interesting.

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Speaker 1: It's not I mean, clearly I'm a bit naive in

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and certainly that's how it's been communicated into

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Speaker 1: Like is there anyone being fined or you know, like

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Speaker 1: I guess they're having those those things ceased. But anybody

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Speaker 3: To date, and we go to operations that we've run,

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: People need to just get a little bit more used

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Speaker 3: Well, certainly where the high risk areas will define they

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Speaker 3: if you're within those high risk areas, you expect police

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Speaker 3: or night. We do try to maximize our operations in

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Speaker 3: So that's a maximum exposure but also maximum deterrence as well.

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Speaker 1: Is it like, is it difficult operationally to you know,

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Speaker 1: is it a pretty fast process that you know you're

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Speaker 2: Work through it pretty quickly.

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Speaker 3: There's certain approval processes that needs to be undertaken in

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Speaker 3: a methodical planning matter for a significant event that's sort

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now, Commander, I know that that you are not

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Speaker 1: Made out of Catherine is that there is a group

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Speaker 3: Street okay, down and road policing instead of my portfolio.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't have any in depth detail on

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Speaker 3: We do work really well with territory families, particularly when

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Speaker 3: But I can certainly say that jointly we are there

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Speaker 3: So you know that the volume there for our officers

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Speaker 1: So well, look, we will make sure that we follow

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Speaker 1: understanding that that is not your region. Commander, I do

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Speaker 2: Is there any indication of what happened?

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Speaker 3: Again a senseless loss of another life on territory roads? Cody,

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Speaker 3: So early indications is alcohol is certainly a factor within

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Speaker 3: preventable now, the loss of life does not need to occur.

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Speaker 3: You know, we have twenty two lives loss this year.

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Speaker 3: We had forty five this time last year, so we

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right as well.

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Speaker 3: So we'll continue to push that road safety initiative, those

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Speaker 3: we'll continue to be urban, rural and regional enforcing road

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Speaker 3: these lives lost in our roads because they are preventable.

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Speaker 3: And that's the very sad thing about that.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely now we know as well.

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Speaker 1: Police were calling for witnesses in relation to another fatal

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Speaker 3: We're still asking members of public to come forward in

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Speaker 3: So we continue to ask members if they do have

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Speaker 2: Yep, Commander.

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Speaker 1: There was also a significant drug bar with a twenty

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Speaker 1: was twenty seven year old male? So I had a

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Speaker 3: Yes, certainly our drug enforcement remains one of our priorities

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Speaker 3: within the territory. You know, whilst alcohol is a predominant

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Speaker 3: use certainly feature within that kind of type as well,

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Speaker 3: and not just in the use, but also the supply

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Speaker 3: and the selling. With obviously this apprehension, it was as well.

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Speaker 3: We'll continue to throw all the investive messages towards people

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Speaker 3: this is one of those successful apprehensions where we've managed

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Speaker 1: Because we talk a lot about alcohol, and rightly so,

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Speaker 1: because alcohol is a real scourge on society. But drugs

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Speaker 1: are still an issue as well. I mean when you

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Speaker 3: Certainly is I mean, I want to look at you

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Speaker 3: don't know what's in the drugs to start with. You know,

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Speaker 3: there's also the medical mental health issues associated with long

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Speaker 3: term drug use addicts that are looking to supply their

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Speaker 3: drug use, So you're looking at potentially offending in those regards,

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Speaker 3: both property offending but also violent offending. So it does

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Speaker 3: It is not a victimless crime. Sometimes you hear like

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Speaker 3: we're talking about drug use being a victimist crime. It

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Speaker 3: certainly is not within any community whatsoever. And certainly, removing

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Speaker 3: you make cocaine, seizing this cash which is gained is

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Speaker 3: certainly going to make our community much safer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Commander, before I let you go, just on the alcohol,

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Speaker 1: someone had just messaged through and said, is how much

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Speaker 1: alcohol are the police tipping out? You know around the city,

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Speaker 3: That's a difficult question to answer on that spot. Certainly,

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Speaker 3: you know, we could be tipping out hundreds of leaders

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Speaker 3: of that obviously relates to who's in town and who's

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Speaker 3: but by and large we'd be tipping out in the

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Speaker 3: certainly across our greater daal and community itself. So we

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Speaker 3: alcohol and level of intoxication of individuals as number one,

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Speaker 3: because that increases level of arm afterwards. So we will

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Speaker 3: continue to do that, continue to drive. But as I said,

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Speaker 3: the review for the our core reform coming up, we're

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Speaker 2: G That's a lot, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: You know, hundreds of leaders of alcohol a week, and

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming as well that there are quite a number

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Speaker 2: In terms of that secondary.

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Speaker 3: Supply, we have policing operations specifically looking at alcohol itself.

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Speaker 3: Second supply is always an issue, but it's not a

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Speaker 3: significant issue that probably people may think. Most of it

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Speaker 3: is that lawful purpose purchase. Most of the secondary supply

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Speaker 3: that we get as your family members supplying family members,

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Speaker 3: which are still secondary supply, but it's not that commercial

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Speaker 3: base the candy supply. There is some of that out

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Speaker 3: there in the community, but it's not just significant numbers,

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Speaker 3: certainly not in this particular command area. In other command

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Speaker 3: areas is probably a bit more higher. Yeah, ye, but

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Speaker 3: here we perhaps have the more lower level supply. If

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Speaker 3: I'm on the BDR and you're not, then as a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not.

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Speaker 3: That if you can go buy me a bottle of

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Speaker 3: rum for this amount of money, is that sort of

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Commander Danny Bacon, Commander of Darwin and Road Policing, it

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Speaker 1: is always good to catch up with you. Really appreciate

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Speaker 1: you coming into the studio this morning and taking those questions,

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Speaker 1: some of them obviously not even in your region. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate you trying your beast to answer those and we'll

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Speaker 1: make sure that we do get in contact and get

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Speaker 1: some further detail on Catherine. So thank you, no, thanks

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Speaker 1: very much, Kennie, thank you