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Speaker 1: Get a I'm Lula Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,

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Speaker 1: and professional overshareer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as they're lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we've got a special lep today. It is a birthday celebration.

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Speaker 1: App not my birthday, because as you may know, I'm

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Speaker 1: a virgo, but we have a wonderful Sagittarius on the

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Speaker 1: pod today by the name of Noel Smith, aka my dad. Dad.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the pod.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. It's been quite a while and

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Speaker 2: it's the first time in the US, and I bastually.

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Speaker 1: The US episode for you, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It's the first time I've been here and I've been

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Speaker 2: suitably impressed with all my experiences. It's been great in America. Yes,

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Speaker 2: oh nice.

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Speaker 1: Well, the reason why I wanted to interview you is

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Speaker 1: to get you on the pod because it's your birthday

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Speaker 1: the day that this episode will drops. We're recording this

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Speaker 1: couple of days in advance, but you're seventy two we record,

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Speaker 1: and when this comes out, you'll be seventy three. So

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Speaker 1: I thought, what a celebration.

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Speaker 2: It is a celebration. I feel blessed to be able

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Speaker 2: to travel at this age.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've had a big trip. So what have

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Speaker 1: we done. We've done New York.

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Speaker 2: New York was amazing. I mean, it's just a city. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was a real blessing to have that experience. So,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a city with so much vibe and

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Speaker 2: city that has got it's not the capital, but it's

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Speaker 2: got a grandeur about it, I think, and I think

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Speaker 2: anyone that comes to the States has to experience in

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Speaker 2: New York. And we were so lucky. The first night

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Speaker 2: we arrived, we went to the Empire State Building at sunset,

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Speaker 2: and that gave us an overall impression of the city north, south, east,

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Speaker 2: and west, and it was just beautiful to see the

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Speaker 2: layout before the sunset, then the sunset, then all the

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Speaker 2: lights that were on after sunset. It was just a

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Speaker 2: great way to get your bearings.

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Speaker 1: It was a really good I feel like we picked

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Speaker 1: the perfect time to go because you got like daylight sunset,

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Speaker 1: and the sunset kind of went for an hour, I

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Speaker 1: want to say it did. And then all the other

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Speaker 1: cool thing is Christmas was kicking off when we were there,

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Speaker 1: so we could see the ice skating rinks popping up

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Speaker 1: and all the like festoon lighting, and it was just

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Speaker 1: a great way to see it's.

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Speaker 2: A city that celebrates Christmas like no other as far

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Speaker 2: as I can tell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think I said this in the other

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Speaker 1: pot about New York, and that was I think we

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Speaker 1: timed it because we got a little bit of Halloween leftover,

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Speaker 1: like you said, all the.

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Speaker 2: Decots, yes in Soho and everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but then like within a couple of days it

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Speaker 1: all flicked to Christmas, and like we saw the Rockefeller

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Speaker 1: Tree go up and stuff like that. So I imagine

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Speaker 1: now it would be even more Christmasy.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, and Macy's was just starting to to get the

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Speaker 2: decorations out. It looked really impressive, but it was also

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Speaker 2: so many other things. I mean, Times Square, it's just

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Speaker 2: a sight to behold. And we got to go to

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Speaker 2: Broadway and see a show and that was an experience

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Speaker 2: at the Lyric Theater.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Harry Potter and Harry's Child.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: And we passed last night the theater that it's going

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Speaker 1: as grand as the New York one, did it? No?

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Speaker 2: I think the Lyric Theater. I haven't studied this, but

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Speaker 2: I think it's probably got a lot more history than

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Speaker 1: Well you don't. You don't know this, but yesterday you

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Speaker 1: and I went and saw Gladiator, which was amazing. But

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Speaker 1: I did some research going to bed and Denzil Washington,

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Speaker 1: And in Australia it hasn't. It will have only just

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Speaker 1: come out right. But Denzil Washington, who is a character

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Speaker 1: And I just said to Matt, oh, do you think

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Speaker 2: I didn't know they did Shakespeare.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of But so I

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Speaker 1: looked at like the cheapest tickets and it'd be a

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Speaker 1: as Othello would be once in a lifetime.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's a very interesting character in Gladiator. I won't

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Speaker 1: It's fantastic though, So I did want to say, I

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Speaker 1: did want to quickly before we get onto what we

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Speaker 1: did last night, if you could summarize three highlights of

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Speaker 1: the trip so far. Because you've been to Minnesota, you've

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Speaker 1: just got back from Joshua Tree, You've obviously spent a

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Speaker 2: I have. It's been vast. It's a vast country and

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Speaker 2: there's so much to see, and you could come five

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Speaker 2: or six times and still not encompass everything that there

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Speaker 2: is to see. But I feel I've been very, very

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Speaker 2: highlight I think for me was just visiting New York.

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Speaker 2: You know, just Central Park's beautiful and I even went

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Speaker 2: to go there and just contemplate it was very nice,

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Speaker 2: but to do that, I felt happy that I had

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Speaker 2: done it. But New York definitely a standout for me.

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Speaker 2: I did go to Minnesota and Minneapolis, and while in Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: I've got a vetery friend there that I visited, and

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Speaker 2: he took me. He and his wife took me up

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Speaker 2: to Lake Superior, which is one of the Great Lakes

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Speaker 2: There are five great lakes, I believe, and it was

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Speaker 2: just spectacular scene me. I've never seen silver birch forests

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Speaker 2: So that was a highlight. And the third one was

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Speaker 2: a complete contrast, was the Joshua Tree. I mean it's

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Speaker 2: and Pineer Town definitely was a third highlight. So they

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Speaker 1: So good. You've done so much in quite a compact

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have. The thing that's amazed me in my

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Speaker 2: so that I enjoyed that flight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, especially in LA I feel like dogs

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Speaker 1: so they've got a full seat to themselves. Yes, And

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Speaker 2: I'm intrigued by the parks within these busy hustling cities.

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Speaker 2: very different to Australia where you've got big open parks

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Speaker 1: And all the cats you have to live inside? Do

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Speaker 1: It makes sense because the coyotes will eat them of course,

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Speaker 1: seventy three and your two kids. Tristan is about to

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Speaker 1: turn thirty six. Yes, I'm thirty nine. What's something that

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Speaker 2: It is to you making me feel old now you're

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Speaker 2: think a lot of people are disillusioned when they do

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Speaker 1: But that's more advice for like an eighteen nineteen because

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Speaker 1: you've changed careers, and Tristan's like very much the adventure kiddo.

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Speaker 1: And so it's more that next age because I know

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Speaker 1: I think you went through divorce at forty, yes, So

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you're a prime example. You're in that

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Speaker 2: Most important lesson I've learned. I think something I've learned

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Speaker 2: So many people are so well self. I wouldn't call

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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of people achieve to get more

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Speaker 1: Is there anything looking back now like at all that success?

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Speaker 1: He was the order to Fred Fred Smith.

436
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 2: That's right.

437
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: But is there anything looking back that you would have changed?

438
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 2: Look, knowing my personality and you know it, I don't

439
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 2: think I'm a natural leader, so managing people is probably

440
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: something that I didn't enjoy and potentially, in hindsight, I

441
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 2: might have been better off employed by someone rather than

442
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 2: leading the actual show. If you like, I did it

443
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: and managed to get through it, but I think, being

444
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: self critical, I could have done it better.

445
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: Although that said, like the way you talked about listening,

446
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: I think you would have really honed that bit by

447
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: being a because even me, stuff come to me and

448
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: they'll just like verbal diarrhea, the stress of something like stupid,

449
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: and you just have to sit there, and you just

450
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,239
Speaker 1: have to sit there and be like, ahah, yeah, I

451
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: hear you, I hear you. And even if you don't

452
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: agree at all or think that it's been blown out

453
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: of proportion, you just have to like sit there and

454
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: listen to like. And I wouldn't say I'm a great listener,

455
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: but I've learned the skill from managing people to just

456
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: be quiet and let them like ran essentially so that

457
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: like it just it just basically takes a fire and

458
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: it brings it down to just simmering.

459
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: Little you know, it gets back to being able to conciliate,

460
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: compromise and listen. But times have change in business since

461
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 2: I started. I mean, the HR component now is huge.

462
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: Occupational health and safety has changed completely for the better,

463
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: probably for employees and quality of work. But yeah, the

464
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: ground that I worked under for many years is very

465
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: different to the ground you work under now.

466
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: So interesting and the changes, I mean, I love the

467
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: changes that look after the employees. But yeah, it's just

468
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: I would agree with you about like that. I like

469
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: being in the leadership, but I don't like managing trivial matters.

470
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: To me, it feels like a waste of time. And

471
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: that might because I'm a big dreamer. I'm just like,

472
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: let's get some perspective here.

473
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's look at the bigger picture. Yeah, not worry

474
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: about this trivial Stuy's really not important. Yeah, yeah, but

475
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: you're I'm not a confrontry person, so I don't like confrontation.

476
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: I quite like it.

477
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: Yes, I know, I was going to say, you are

478
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: no ide different from that perspective, So.

479
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: Very comfortable sitting in fire. It doesn't bother me at all,

480
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: Like I would just sit. Even when people come to

481
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: me and will blame something on me that I have

482
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: no like, has literally nothing to do with me, I'll

483
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: be like, bring it on, I'm here, Like it doesn't.

484
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: But then again, that is that is nine years I've

485
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: been in therapy. So I'm so comfortable with conflict confrontation.

486
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: But you know, before therapy, I was hyper reactive. I'm

487
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: still a reactive person now, but I can sick more

488
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: comfortably in conflict. But use I used to be way

489
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: more fiery. You've seen me. Feel that you've been the receiver.

490
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: I still am sometimes not too bad.

491
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: I feel like i've I've it's smellowed. That might be

492
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: in thanks to Matt.

493
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: Also, he's very gentles he's very on an even keel.

494
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: I think he's very good for you. He keeps you constant.

495
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, but that's the difference between you and I.

496
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: You know, you don't mind confrontation, and I never enjoyed

497
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: it so and that might be related to having a

498
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: therapist and not having a therapist.

499
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: And maybe you would laugh at it. I think I

500
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: told you this. But I was in a meeting the

501
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: other day and I got I just got told I

502
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: was a bit too friendly, and I was like, oh,

503
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: that's and that was like in front of a lot

504
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: of people, like we're all on a meeting, and I

505
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: just said that's a value of mine that I'm not

506
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: willing to change. And they were just like, well, take

507
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: this offline law. I was like, okay, cool, but I

508
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: was so comfortable sitting in the fire just saying the

509
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: truth because that was true for me.

510
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: But I think that's good. I like the fact that

511
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: you're honest and upfront and and sort of protect yourself

512
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: and your values. I think that's act.

513
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: Here's my thing, and this is like something when I said, like,

514
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: and I'm interested to hear if there's something or a

515
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: motto that you live by. But I know that saying

516
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: that as like people don't remember what you say, they

517
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: remember how you made them feel. And so I'm also

518
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: working in La Magified Cross Paths as the person on

519
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: a set one day, because every second person's an actor.

520
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: I want people to be like I felt good around

521
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: that person, or that person was honest and tough to

522
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: me sometimes, but they were still honest and came from

523
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: a good place. Like I'm cool with that. But I

524
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: don't want people to be like, ah, she was a

525
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: tyrant to work, you know what I mean.

526
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always said that the thing that I have

527
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: to just pick myself up on and I do it

528
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: as a New Year resolution is not to be judgemental.

529
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: Not to be judgmental people.

530
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: That's also generational as well.

531
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: It could be, but I sort of reflect on it

532
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: every New Year's Eve. Yeah, let's not be judgmental going forward.

533
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: Let people be themselves and you be yourself.

534
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: Well, I think also, like you living on your own

535
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: with chat the dog, like it's easy to like live

536
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: your way and not like bend in flex for other people.

537
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right. I think you become

538
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: a little bit too self centered when you live on

539
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: your own because you're not worrying about other people, and

540
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: you're not probably socializing quite as much as you would

541
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: if you're in the workplace. So yeah, it becomes a

542
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: different lifestyle. But I enjoy solitude.

543
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: I enjoy Sagittarius sagittarious need alone time.

544
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: I love my solitary space. And I go to the

545
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: beach every morning with the dog and have a swim

546
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: and a walk and cheer. It just makes my day.

547
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love you. I have described myself as a

548
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: lone wolf a lot. Sometimes I'll say to Matt, who

549
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: also works from home, I'll be like, I need a

550
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: morning to myself, like I might take yourself out. I

551
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: need the space, I need to feel creative, I need

552
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: to like have a game plan, and I need like that,

553
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: just like clear energy.

554
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: It's probably important in a relationship to have that space

555
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: every so often. You know, I haven't lived with anyone

556
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: for quite a few years now, but but yeah, it

557
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: gets back to that, you know, compromise and conciliation, personal communication,

558
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: the three c's, I call them compromise, conciliation, and communication

559
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: in a relationship.

560
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: But then communication means you've got to be comfort with

561
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: conflict if you're going to communicate openly and honestly.

562
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I'm living my own Okay.

563
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: What's the weirdest fad you remember from all the decades

564
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: you've been living through.

565
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: Definitely, you know, the Beatles come to mind here, the Beatles,

566
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: John Lennon, the psychedelic phase, the you know, be the seventies.

567
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: Probably not a decade like a fad like Yo Yo's

568
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: or like slap bands or like a fad, a weird

569
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: fad that because some of it rolls back around.

570
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: Well, the one I remember firstly as a young boy

571
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: was marbles, really playing marbles at school and swapping marbles,

572
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: and that was the big great really to the point

573
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: where teachers would confiscate marbles because they.

574
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: Was knucklebones was knucklebones a thing, not as much.

575
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: Not as much, but knucklebones was a thing.

576
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that might be more.

577
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember, you know, doing the knuckle thing. But

578
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: but yeah, the first thing I remember was the Marbles,

579
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: I think, but as a few period fad definitely that

580
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: Beatles phase of psychedelic clothes, and.

581
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: So was that seventies.

582
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: I think it was around the sixties sixties seventies. Yeah,

583
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: well you you visited John not visited walk past his apartment,

584
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: didn't you? In New York?

585
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's at Central Parkers and there's like an

586
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: imagined circle that there's always someone singing at and people

587
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: like busking. Yeah, but people go there to pay tribute

588
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: to I believe him and kind of connect to that

589
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: kind of creativity. And there's all people selling artwork of him,

590
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: that famous shot of him wearing his New York singlet

591
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: like tank. But yeah, I had an idea. A friend

592
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: took us past his apartments, like, oh, that's that's his apartment,

593
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: that's where he was shot. And we were like what,

594
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: but that area we loved, We thought that was a

595
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: beautiful area.

596
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I went to Central Park, but I didn't see

597
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: that section it's so huge.

598
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: You need like two or three days to do all six.

599
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 2: Miles from front to back.

600
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: Apparently, what's that in kilometers?

601
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: Uh, it'd be probably about twelve approximately, Yeah, twelve kilometers. Yeah. Wow.

602
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: Do you have a day of your life that you

603
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: remember vividly that you loved? I feel like it's going

604
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: to involve an Essendon premiership? Probably.

605
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: No. I hadn't talked sport, had I so far? Look,

606
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: I mean my graduation was a day I remember because

607
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: that was big for me because my final year at

608
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: university I'd been quite unwell and I missed a lot

609
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: of my final term in my final years, so that's

610
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: a lot of work. So I felt really pressured and

611
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: stressed doing the final assessments and exams. So to have

612
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: got through the Vetery degree with that setback was a

613
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 2: huge achievement given what I've been through, and I.

614
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: Remember to share the setback I can. Yeah.

615
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I was diagnosed with a bronchial adinoma, which

616
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 2: is like a lung tumor. It turned out not to

617
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: be malignant, but it had to be removed, so I

618
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: had to have major thoracic chess surgery in that last well,

619
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: it was the holiday before the last semester that I

620
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: got operated on, and I was off university for two

621
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 2: or three weeks into this semester recovering.

622
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're having food through a straw and all that

623
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: kind of thing.

624
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: I know. That was another injury. That's when I was working.

625
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: And I got kicked in the face.

626
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: I did. I got kicked in the face by a mule.

627
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: Didn't you break every bone in your face or something?

628
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 2: I did break every bone in the front of the face,

629
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: like my order bones, Mozilla's mandible, mynose. I was a mess. Yeah,

630
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: and I was a walking TV antenna and I get home.

631
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: I got home from hospital and a dog ran away

632
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: from me because I looked so obscure.

633
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had like pins right things.

634
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pins into the skull and I had dental

635
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: splints so you couldn't move your mouth to hold your

636
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: jaw in place. And yeah, but no, I think I

637
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: think the step back with the bronchial ad nome was

638
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 2: the thing that I remember most. Certainly. There are sporting

639
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: things that I remember as well, like a Grand Final, yes,

640
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 2: well the two thousand Grand Final and Australian rules football.

641
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: I love the sport, always have and I follow sadly

642
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: Essendon because they've been down the doldrums for many years now.

643
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: But in two thousand they won every game bar one,

644
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: which included the Grand Final. They won the Grand Final.

645
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: So and I remember not taking you so much, but

646
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: taking Tristan to Marvel Stadium. They just started playing at

647
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: Marvel Stadium. You used to go to the mcg a lot,

648
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: but you then sort of grew a little bit away

649
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: from football, didn't you, and doing your own thing, And

650
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: so I remember that year that was a sensational year.

651
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: Would have been in year nine or something. Then I

652
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: was probably getting into theater, studies and drama and boys

653
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: and things. You were, yeah, more the latter, okay, And

654
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 1: you've been to like Sydney Olympics, all that kind of.

655
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: Thing I have. I have. That was in two thousand

656
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: and I went up for the first week at the

657
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: Olympics and obviously been sports fanatic.

658
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: He's wearing an Australian Open cap as we speak.

659
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 2: I go to the Australian Open every year in Melbourne.

660
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: It is a wonderful event. Every won't go to a

661
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: sporting event in Melbourne. There's the Formula One Grand Prix,

662
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: there's the mcg Grand Final AFL, there's the Melbourne Cup,

663
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: but the one you want to go to is the

664
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: Australian Open. It's two weeks of fantastic entertainment.

665
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: I've still got memories of going to the footy though,

666
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: and sometimes Grandma would come, who also was a big

667
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: Bombers fan as well.

668
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I had no choice as a Chile.

669
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: Well, mom says the name about us.

670
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: Well, that's right, Yeah, it's genetic. Yeah.

671
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: So but she was a mad Bombers.

672
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: Fan, Yes she was. She used to go with her father.

673
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: Oh did She was a little girl, so so she Yeah,

674
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: my father wasn't really into football. He was a crow

675
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: eater from South Australia. That's what they call them, that's

676
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: the nickname.

677
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: So so what was grandma. What was grandma's dad's name, Bill,

678
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: William Bill? And he took Grandma to the footy to

679
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: see the bombersdon every week really their home, their home ground.

680
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, when they played at home, they would always go

681
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: up there. I didn't know that I was a little girl,

682
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: so that's I guess that was the origin for me,

683
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: because she she took us. She used to take Peter

684
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: and herself too, and.

685
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: I remember, I've got a memory of going with you

686
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: and with her as well.

687
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: A lot then in latter years I would take her.

688
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, she used to get very stressed though, I remember

689
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: she did.

690
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. She was a passionate supporter. She liked the Essendon

691
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: Football Club and as I say, from a young.

692
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Speaker 1: Girl, yeah, that's amazing already. One more thing, What is

693
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: the most rewarding thing about getting older?

694
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: I'm loving retirement.

695
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: I know, I can tell.

696
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: I've just I've got no stress. I worked to the

697
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 2: boat of my own drum. I have a leisurely lifestyle now,

698
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 2: just pleasing myself. Very selfish probably, but I love living

699
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 2: on the surf coast talkie. It's just a beautiful playground

700
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: to spend time, beautiful coastal walks, hint Alene waterfall walks.

701
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: And I'm a member of the local golf club. Play

702
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: very badly.

703
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: I've heard you said there were snakes on the.

704
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 2: Golf snakes, yes, copperheads and brown snakes. I've actually seen them.

705
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: So you don't always chase your ball in the summer

706
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: because you could be in trouble. In fact, I've seen

707
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 2: the ambulance on the course a couple of times where

708
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: golfers have gone in and look for balls and being bitten.

709
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, you've got to be careful in the summer.

710
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: Just one thing about this, like loving retirement stuff. When

711
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: I interviewed Mum, she said, and I think I interviewed

712
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: her probably mid six early sixties, mid sixties. She's a

713
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: bitch younger than you is. And she's five years younger, yes,

714
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: And she said, I feel like a teenager again. She's like,

715
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: I feel like I've got all this freedom and like

716
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: I don't have to work same things. She just retired

717
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: as well, and she's like, I get to do whatever

718
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: I want whenever I want, wake up when I want

719
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: to live the life that I want. And you've got

720
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: the financial security of working all the years that you've

721
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: both worked.

722
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: Sure to indulge yourself a bit.

723
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: Well to do whatever you want to do. And as

724
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, she's got a farm that she loves and

725
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: lives on that farm. And so it sounds like from

726
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: speaking to both of you, that like that freedom that

727
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: you get. But you also both of you would have

728
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: given a lot of your time yes to your careers.

729
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: But both to Tristan and I I imagine you would

730
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 1: have felt like a couple of decades would have been.

731
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 2: Oh. I think that applies to most parents, you know,

732
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: if they've got kids. I mean, their life goes on

733
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 2: hold for I mean they're working hard. They're working hard

734
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: because they financially have to, because they've got to put

735
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 2: kids through education. And it's not easy these days, you know,

736
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: with costs and costs of living and prices, etc. But

737
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: I think most people would put their life on hold

738
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: for close to twenty years doing that sort of thing,

739
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: just really trying to make ends meet and do it

740
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: the best to their ability. Yeah, and then you do

741
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: get to that stage where you kids are going in

742
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: your own directions, you're earning your own incomes, you're not

743
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: as dependent on us, and that frees you up a

744
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 2: little bit. But I mean, you don't realize in hindsight,

745
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,959
Speaker 2: you don't realize how you did you sixty hours a week,

746
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: you know, because you still seem to be doing a lot.

747
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: But it's different things. It's things that you enjoy doing,

748
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 2: things that you have to do. It's just a different

749
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 2: lifestyle and it's easy to take. And as I say,

750
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: you know, as I got bigger in my practice, I

751
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: just had more individual issues and so the last couple

752
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: of years was stressful, really, and I'm really enjoying the

753
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 2: retirement because of forty five years of hard work.

754
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: Nice. And then finally, what's something that you want the

755
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: listeners to know is like the way I was saying

756
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: is like I like to focus on the way that

757
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: I can make people feel is kind of like my

758
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: barometer when not. But for you, is there like a

759
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: mantra or a metaphor you live by or is it

760
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: just kind of doing what pleases you now?

761
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 2: Because well, that's right, But there is a little saying

762
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: that I always go back to, if it is to be,

763
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: it is up to me. It's two letter words, and

764
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: I think there's twelve of them if i'd have to

765
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: count it. If it is to be, it is up

766
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: to me. And that was a bit of a mantra

767
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: for me through work and even now if I want

768
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: to achieve things different goals of course, but the fact

769
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: that I'm over here, I mean that took a bit

770
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: of preparation and organization and you helped me immensely, but.

771
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: Thank you for that credit. I was like, hang on

772
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: a sec here. I did a lot of travel agent.

773
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: Work and you've been so busy here and I've been

774
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,479
Speaker 2: so appreciative that you've been able to spend a little

775
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: bit of time with me because I didn't come over

776
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: here as an exploration trip. I came over because I

777
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: really hadn't seen you for twelve months approximately. Yeah, and

778
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: it was a catch up. But I've been able to

779
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: do so many other things too, and many things to

780
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: you for allowing me to do that.

781
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: Well, No, thank you. You took us to New York,

782
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: so I did.

783
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: I did, Yeah, but there have been plenty of other

784
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: things that you've been involved in that I wouldn't have

785
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 2: done that without your influence.

786
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: No, I'm so happy that you've seen a lot of

787
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: America in a small amount of time. Obviously it's the

788
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg. There are so many other places.

789
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: But I feel like you'll probably go home going Wow,

790
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: that was a busy month, Like that was.

791
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: A big, busy month, but worthwhile.

792
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've ticked a lot of places off.

793
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: The US was never on my bucket list. I've been

794
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 2: to the UK, I've been to Europe. I've been to Scandinavia.

795
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: I've been to Thailand. I've been to New Zealand. I've

796
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 2: been to Indonesia, Malaysia, but the US. I just thought

797
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: it was a hyped up Australia, Australia on steroids sort of,

798
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: and to a degree it is. But I feel pretty

799
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: comfortable here and I'm so pleased that I did. And

800
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 2: you were probably the instigator of it because I wanted

801
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 2: to come over and see you. But I'm so pleased

802
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: that I did make the effort to come over here

803
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: and see this amazing country. Really.

804
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're glad to have you. I feel like

805
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: we've ticked a lot off. I feel like there's not

806
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: too much left to other than the grove, Christmas lights

807
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: and Radeo Drive. We've got to do that.

808
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: We love our Christmas decorations, don't we. We love this

809
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: time of the year.

810
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, love Christmas. It's one of my favorite times year.

811
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Speaker 1: Thank you for jumping on the pod. It's been nice

812
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: to have you on Happy birthday.

813
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. You know I always so I'm

814
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: trying to forget them, but I'm not really. I'm having

815
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: a great time here.

816
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Perfect. We've got a plan for a birthday bracky.

817
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: So nice.

818
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: You've got a nice little birthday planned ahead. Big big

819
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: love to you the listener, Love you, lots Dad, thanks

820
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: for jumping on the pod and.

821
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 2: Until next time, thank you for having me.

822
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Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

823
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

824
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:49,439
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826
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