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Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh,

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Speaker 1: now it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the fifth of June. I'm Sam, I'm Billy. For the

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Speaker 2: first time in US history, the son of a sitting

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Speaker 2: president is facing trial and potential jail time. The trial

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Speaker 2: of Hunter Biden, the son of current President Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: has begun in the US state of Delaware this week.

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Speaker 2: He stands accused of illegally buying and owning a handgun

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Speaker 2: while using drugs. It's another twist in what is becoming

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Speaker 2: a legally entangled presidential election. But before we get to

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Speaker 2: that story, first, Billy, what is making headlines this morning?

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Speaker 1: X will now allow pornography on the social media platform,

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Speaker 1: saying it believes in the autonomy of adults to engage

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Speaker 1: with and create content that reflects their own beliefs, desires,

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Speaker 1: and experiences. This could include AI generated and animated pawn.

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Speaker 1: It asked users who regularly post adult content on the

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Speaker 1: behind a content warning, which would require users to opt

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Speaker 2: Content avian influenza or bird flu, has been detected at

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Speaker 2: a third poultry farm in Victoria. Bird flu is a

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Speaker 2: viral infection that is highly contagious amongst birds, although people

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Speaker 2: That's according to Agriculture Victoria. The latest bird flu site

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Speaker 1: South Korea will suspend a military deal with North Korea

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Speaker 2: And today's good news, The Matilda's played in front of

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Speaker 2: retirement from international competition after the Paris Olympics. And as always,

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Speaker 2: show notes.

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Speaker 1: So, Sam, let's start with the main character here. Who

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Speaker 1: is Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 2: It's funny to use the word characters. Often think of

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Speaker 2: US politics as like this drama that just keeps going

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Speaker 2: on and on, And this is definitely another chapter in

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Speaker 2: the soapi that is the US politics. Hunter Biden is

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Speaker 2: the new character you need to know. He is the

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Speaker 2: lawyer and businessman son of the US President. Joe Biden's

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Speaker 2: other son, Bo who is Hunter's older brother, died of

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Speaker 2: very open about his history of drug addiction, alcohol abuse,

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: You might have heard Hunter Biden's name come up in

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Speaker 2: There's never been a finding of criminal wrongdoing in that situation.

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Speaker 1: He's definitely been a controversial figure throughout Biden's.

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Speaker 2: Presidency, definitely, But I think the moment that a lot

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Speaker 2: the Hunter Biden laptop scandal. And this was a big

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Speaker 1: You mean, a big thing that Trump used against the

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Speaker 2: And this was basically when the hard drive in a

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Speaker 1: So he is now in court. Why now, Well.

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden has been accused of lying on a background

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Speaker 1: It's alleged that this happened in twenty eighteen, though, so

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Speaker 2: It's taken us a long time to get to this point.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the US Department of Justice began their investigation

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Speaker 2: paid back those taxes that he owed. Now This was

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Speaker 1: Wait, sorry, can you just explain that? So the election

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Speaker 2: And it was kind of happening simultaneously. And there's been

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Speaker 2: but there was this sense that there was a serious

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Speaker 2: And for a while, the DOJ, the Department of Justice

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Speaker 2: And this is a really serious charge. I know, the

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Speaker 2: Well, we're going to find out more about what the

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Speaker 2: But like I said, that failed, and so now Hunter

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Speaker 2: And so we can expect a lot of evidence in

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Speaker 2: a political undertone. Now there is a chance that Hunter

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Speaker 1: The point about whether this is politically motivated, I don't

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Speaker 1: saying that the reason why we are here and it's

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden isn't a presidential candidate. He's a son of

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It is breaking all precedent. I feel like every single

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Speaker 2: So a twelve member jury was selected on Monday, and

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Speaker 2: We had some big names in attendance. First Lady doctor

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Speaker 1: And have we heard from President Biden on this?

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Speaker 2: They're also zoning in on this comparison between Hunter Biden's

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Speaker 3: And meanwhile, we are monitoring yet another legal case, this

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Speaker 2: And then, of course you have the other side, supporters

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Speaker 2: they've framed this as a personal issue and it shouldn't

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Speaker 4: This has really taken an emotional toll on the first

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Speaker 1: Some really interesting insights there into the bias of different

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Speaker 1: Now I've mentioned briefly this is all happening in the

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Speaker 2: Campaign or We're getting into kind of the fortune telling

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Speaker 2: And another poll from last year, specifically on Hunter Biden,

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Speaker 1: I also think it's interesting to point out how little

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Speaker 2: It's a weird one. And again to kind of end

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Speaker 1: Spoken like a true politician sands that is what all

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