1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Put on your dance and shit, give me your best shot. 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 2: That on secondment from MoMA me, I like saying that 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: that's a new thing I'm adding to our wheelhouse. Second men, 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: it sounds so important. Emma Gillespie is here. 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 3: I am ah hello, I'm so glad we're talking about 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 3: this today. I was on Twitter over the weekend and 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 3: people were saying their farewells. It was like the dance 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 3: band on the Titanic. Goodbye everyone. It's been great because 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 3: it was thought that Twitter was going to collapse because 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 3: of the number of staff that had left. 11 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 1: Well, that's been the sentiment for a few months now, 12 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: and it's sort of like an Elton John farewell too, 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: And no one really knows when the final goodbye is 14 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: going to come, but yeah. Elon Musk took a vote 15 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: over the weekend to ask his followers should we allow 16 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump back on the platform now? Famously, after the 17 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: insurrection January sixth riots in Washington, DC, Trump was kicked 18 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: off Twitter. So that was in twenty twenty one. Twitter 19 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: said permanently, you've gotten mate, You're done. You're absolutely finished 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: on Twitter. Well, things have changed. Elon Musk has bought 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: Twitter for a cool sixty five Australian billion dollars and 22 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: as of the weekend, Elon said, all right, I'll put 23 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: it out to you guys. What do you think I 24 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: voted in state him, I voted no. Well, fifteen million 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: people voted. Amandaqulla was one of them, and by a 26 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: narrow margin, fifty one point eight percent said let him 27 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: back on. 28 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 3: I saw a great quote by well, whether he'll want 29 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 3: to is another story, but I heard so a great 30 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 3: quote by the American politician Alexandria Ocasio Coutez. She said 31 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: when she saw the poll, she said, I don't know, man, 32 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 3: Last time he was here on this platform, he used 33 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 3: it to inside an insurrection. Multiple people died, the Vice 34 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 3: President of the United States was nearly assassinated, hundreds were injured. 35 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: But I guess that's not enough for you to answer 36 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 3: the question. So why do we put it to a twitter? 37 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: More research on that. 38 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: And this is the thing with Musk. You know, people 39 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: are saying, yeah, free speech is one thing, but to 40 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: allow hate speech is another. But Elon Musk's sort of 41 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: whole libertarian ethos is very you know, let people will 42 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: do what they're going to do. And if the town 43 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: square burns down, then it burns down, so it doesn't 44 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: really come as any surprise at this point. But you're 45 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: right a man to everyone's wondering how long has Twitter 46 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: got left in the tank to stay afloat because they're 47 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: bleeding advertisers. 48 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: As an advertiser, there's been a whole lot of things 49 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: in place in Twitter that gave you confidence that you 50 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: weren't going to be next to a piece of hate speech. 51 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 3: And now a lot of the people who've left in 52 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 3: recent months were the people that worked in those departments, 53 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,559 Speaker 3: So all the safeguards have gone, So why would advertisers 54 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 3: stick with Twitter? 55 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: Exactly? The whole senior leadership team was pretty much sacked 56 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: on day one of Elon Musker's chief Twit as he 57 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: calls himself, and then last week I know that you 58 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: guys spoke about it. Earlier this morning, Elon sent an 59 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: email to what remaining stuff were on the database saying, hey, listen, 60 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: you've got to go hardcore if you want to work 61 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: at Twitter. It's all or nothing, long days, no breaks. 62 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: From school of rock. 63 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 3: And they all went a lot of the weekend that 64 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 3: he's been called space Karen. I've seen pictures of his Karen, 65 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 3: people putting Karen haircuts on him, because now he's in 66 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 3: a position where he's saying, hey, if someone can do 67 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 3: any coding, can you come to four three? He hasn't 68 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 3: how to run the business. 69 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: Also with the blue tick thing. So now like for example, 70 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: the Jonesy demanded Twitter, we've got is that's got a 71 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: blue ticks, so we have to pay eight dollars for 72 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 2: that matter. 73 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: So that's what's happening to the verification process. Now the 74 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: blue tick is in place. A lot of people see 75 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: it as a bit of a status symbol, but really 76 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: it's there to keep verified accounts safe. So to keep 77 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: high profile accounts or people who have any sort of credibility, 78 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: to keep them safe from you know, certain amounts of 79 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: trolling or verification is a good thing ultimately. And now 80 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: Elon is saying no, we're going to democratize verification and 81 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: if you want a blue tick, it's eight dollars. So 82 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: people who really are verified are like, well, I don't 83 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: want to spend that money and be seeming like I'm 84 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: not real in my verification, and then everyone else going, 85 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I want my blue tick. So it's just 86 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: becoming the wild wild West. Of the Internet. 87 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: At this Kathy Griffin impersonate Elon musk Yeh. 88 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: To show how easy it was to fake it. And 89 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: I saw Stephen King who said, you know what, I 90 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 3: provide content for your platform. Why am I being charged 91 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 3: to be on it now? Also, if Twitter goes down, 92 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: it's not I know a lot of people love TikTok 93 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: and all of that, but Twitter has a whole world 94 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: of people who fight for diversity, people who fight from 95 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 3: cultures that don't get another voice. It plays a very 96 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: important role in people's lives. 97 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: Well, I was thinking on the way in this morning, 98 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, for people who aren't on Twitter or thinking, 99 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: who cares? You know, Twitter is not part of my life. 100 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: It's a part of a lot of people's lives. But 101 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: especially in the media. You know, most news will break 102 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: on Twitter as the first stop in the news cycle. 103 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: There's so many journalists doing amazing things on Twitter all 104 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: the time that we in the media really rely on 105 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: that fast paced news. The community that's been built. 106 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 3: There, that's it, and the community of voices that have 107 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 3: no other outlet. In some countries where people have no 108 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 3: other outlet, this is the thing that tells us what's 109 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: going on. 110 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 2: There, and if I want to model a new Cosey, 111 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 2: I go straight to Twitter. 112 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: Yah. And if we want to find a silly video 113 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: or a cat meme or whatever else, it is straight 114 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: to Twitter. 115 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 3: So look, let's hope that Twitter survives, but I hope 116 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 3: that Elon doesn't. 117 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: Well in terms of the Trump thing. You know, he's 118 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: come out over the weekend and said he's not interested, 119 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: he doesn't even want to come back on because he's 120 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: got his truth social thing that he's developed, and you 121 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: can only imagine the wonderful things that go on there. 122 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: Think it'd be reasonable to back on that em It's 123 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: great to talk to you, Jealousy Podcast or Mamma Mia 124 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: Ever Gillespie, We'll catch you next week. 125 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: See you next week.