1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: os Oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily Odds. It's Thursday, 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 2: the ninth of October. I'm Lucy Tassel, I'm Billy fitz Simon's. 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Israel and Hamas have entered another round of negotiations on 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: a ceasefire deal proposed by the US. The fresh negotiations 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: are being held soon after the second anniversary of Hamma's 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: attack on Israel and a few weeks after a UN 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,959 Speaker 2: committee found Israel is carrying out a genocide of Palestinians 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: in Gaza. In today's episode, we'll explain what to know 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: about the latest round of talks and the US's involvement. 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: Okay, Lucy, whenever we do a podcast deep dive where 13 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: we are updating everyone on the latest on the Israel 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: Hamas conflict, it's kind of hard to know where to start. 15 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: But I think that for anyone who might not be 16 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,639 Speaker 1: following it as close as you are, do you want 17 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: to just give us an overview of I guess what 18 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: has happened this year that has led us to this 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: potential ceasefire deal. 20 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: Now, the proposal that's currently being discussed in Egypt, basically 21 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: as we speak, is one that's evolved a lot over 22 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 2: the last several months. After a previous ceasefire and hostage 23 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: exchange deal that was agreed in January broke down when 24 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: Israel attacked Gaza and cut off aid and electricity, accusing 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: Hamas of refusing to release hostages. Hamas said those attacks 26 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: meant Israel had decided to overturn the ceasefire deal that 27 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 2: had been in existence since January, so that was around 28 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: March April of this year. Israel then instituted a blockade 29 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: of aid to Gaza, which was widely condemned by UN 30 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: agencies and international governments, including our government here in Australia. 31 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 2: That blockade was partly lifted later in the year, but 32 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: the distribution of aid that is currently going on has 33 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: been widely criticized. So over the course of the year 34 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: there were several rounds of there were several incidents and 35 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: several rounds of criticism. By July, the UN said Israeli 36 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: forces had killed more than a thousand Palestinians trying to 37 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: access food, and then in August the following month, the 38 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: Integrated Food Security Phase Classification Authority, also known as the 39 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: IPC you might have heard of, said parts of Gaza 40 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: were officially in a state of famine during this time, 41 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 2: so the northern Hemisphere summer, that kind of middle three 42 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: months of the year. The US was pushing a sixty 43 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: day cease fire deal, which is different to the one 44 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: that's currently on the table. During that sixty day deal, 45 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: had it come into effect, the hostages taken by Hamas 46 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: on the seventh of October would be released in exchange 47 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 2: four Palestinians detained in Israel. Military operations carried out by 48 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: Israel would cease, and humanitarian aid would be set into 49 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: Gaza through quote agreed upon channels that includes things like 50 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: the UN. Israel said it had accepted that proposal. Harmas 51 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 2: called for changes, including assurances that the ceasefire would hold 52 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: after the sixty days. So obviously, having already had a 53 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: ceasefire that had been put into effect and then broken down, 54 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: I think that was kind of the thrust of their 55 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 2: That was what they said was their point. That also 56 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: has been kind of a key sticking point. As recently 57 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: as the beginning of September, that kind of sixty day 58 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: plan was still being discussed, but now a different plan 59 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: is on the table, and it's being discussed this week 60 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: in Egypt, the week of the two year anniversary of 61 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: Hamas's attack on Israel, and three or so weeks after 62 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: a UN committee found Israel Is carrying out a genocide 63 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: of Palestinians in Gaza. 64 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: Okay, So just to recap where we were, there was 65 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: a temporary ceasefire at the start of the year that 66 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: then broke down. Then in the middle of the year 67 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: there was talk of a potential sixty day ceasefire, but 68 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: that never came into effect because they couldn't agree on 69 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: the details of that arrangement. Now we are at a 70 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: place where we're talking about more of a long term ceasefire, 71 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: but they still can't quite agree as far as we 72 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: know on the details of that. But that is what 73 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: we are talking about today. That is the one that 74 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: has been proposed by US President Donald Trump. What do 75 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: we know about this proposal. 76 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: So we know that it has twenty points. I'll give 77 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: you a couple of them. I'm sort of summarizing here. 78 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: If Israel and Hamas both agree to the proposal that's 79 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: on the table, quote, all military operations will stop and 80 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: Israeli forces will retreat to what's being described as an 81 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: agreed upon line. The details that we have don't specify 82 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 2: where that is. Right now, Gaza will become, in the 83 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: words of the proposal, a deradicalized terror free zone exists 84 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 2: in peace with surrounding countries. Hamas infrastructure will be taken down. 85 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: Hamas will not run Gaza as it has up to 86 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: this point. Israel will also agree not to annex or 87 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 2: occupy Gaza, so both parties saying we will back out 88 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: of this piece of land. When the Palestinian Authority, which 89 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: currently governs parts of the West Bank, has completed certain reforms, 90 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 2: it will govern Gaza. These reforms aren't specified, but I 91 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: think you can extrapolate that they would be pretty similar 92 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 2: to what has been asked of the authority to allow 93 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: for the creation of the State of Palestine, sort of 94 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 2: a modern state of Palestine. We talked a couple of 95 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: weeks ago about Australia recognizing the state and what that 96 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: would mean. Those sort of things would include democratic elections. 97 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 2: There's a few different kind of requirements. I can imagine 98 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: that that's what that would involve. In the interim, a 99 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: new temporary government will be set up. It will consist 100 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 2: of quote qualified Palacestinians and international experts, and it'll be 101 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: overseen by something called the Board of Peace, which will 102 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: include Trump and former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair. We 103 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 2: don't really know many other members at this stage. Humanitarian 104 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 2: aid will be delivered without contact from Israel or Hamas, 105 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: and Palestinians will be allowed to freely leave and return 106 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 2: to Gaza. Members of Hamas who give up their weapons 107 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: and agree to peace will not be subject to any 108 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: kind of trial and will be allowed to leave Gaza. 109 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: Within three days of the Israeli government confirming it has 110 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: accepted the deal. Hamas would be required to release all 111 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: of the remaining hostages. It's belief there are around fifty 112 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: about twenty of whom are believed to be alive. Israel 113 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: would then release detained Palestinians, including around two hundred and 114 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 2: fifty who are on life sentences, and seventeen hundred people 115 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: detained after the seventh of October twenty twenty three, all 116 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: women and children detained in that context, and I'll just 117 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: note that Israeli human rights group Betzelem has said previously 118 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: that Israel has detained Palestinians without a trial and without 119 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: charge sort of indefinitely, so that group could include many 120 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: of those people, and as we progress, a new international 121 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: security force will be set up to train police on 122 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: the ground and manage the borders, taking over as the 123 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: IDEF retreats to that agreed uponline TBD where that is. 124 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: And we know so many details. I mean, you just 125 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: read out all of these details that we know about 126 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: this deal. Is that because I remember there was a 127 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: press conference that US President Donald Trump did alongside these 128 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: raely Prime Minister Benjamin Yahu. 129 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, So we learned some of those details 130 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: from that. We know that several media outlets then got 131 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: a full kind of release, including all of those sort 132 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: of twenty dot points, including the New York Times. That's 133 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: what I was looking at. I will also say, though, 134 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: some of those details, that's what we know going into 135 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: these negotiations. But obviously if both sides agreed to every 136 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: single point, they wouldn't need to be negotiations, right, So 137 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: there's some of those things are probably subject to change 138 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: or to tweaks. It's unknown at this point. 139 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: And so to be clear, Israel has agreed to this deal, 140 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: but Hermas hasn't yet as far as. 141 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: We know, we know that Israeli PM Benjamin nan Yiahua 142 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: said that Israel has agreed. He still needs to run 143 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: it past his Security Cabinet and it needs to be 144 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: passed by the Israeli Parliament, the Kanesset. So Israeli negotiators 145 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: maybe going into those talks knowing that there are changes 146 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: that would want to be made from this, like from 147 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: members of the Security Cabinet and from members of the Kanesset. 148 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: Got it? 149 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: And what has the response been? 150 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: So foreign ministers in the area, So the foreign ministers 151 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 2: of Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, Indonesia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, 152 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: Turki Katar and Egypt all welcomed the announcement. They said 153 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: they were prepared to work to make it a reality. 154 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: And as I've said, these negotiations are being held in 155 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: Egypt at the time of recording. The latest update I 156 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 2: have is that US mediators, so Steve Witkoff, who was 157 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: pushing that sixty day cease fire, he's the US's envoid 158 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: to the Middle East, and Trump's son in law Jared Kushner, 159 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 2: who was the envoid to the Middle East under the 160 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: previous Trump administration, were flying into Egypt to join those negotiations. 161 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: That's sort of the latest update at the end of 162 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 2: kind of the US day. Hamas and Israel have been 163 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 2: negotiating indirectly in Egypt this week, as I've said. 164 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: And before we move on, I just want to get 165 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: an understanding. This is probably an impossible question to answer, 166 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: but what is your sense as to how close we 167 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: are here to an actual ceasefire? 168 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 2: Speaking as a person with no kind of inside knowledge 169 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: of the mechanics of the negoiations, I think what I've 170 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 2: read about what Hamas has said, what I've read about 171 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: what Israel has said, the context of the deal, the 172 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: context of the global kind of pressure, the fact that 173 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: it's been two years of all out like two years 174 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: in terms of a long history of conflict, but two 175 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: years a very intense conflict. Twelve hundred killed on October seven, 176 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: sixty seven thousand and counting killed in Gaza since then, 177 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: the finding of genocide from the UN Committee, the sense 178 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: of the anniversary, all of this to me feels like 179 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,479 Speaker 2: there could be a push towards really getting to some resolution. 180 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: But it's pure speculation. Yeah, we can only speculate, we 181 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: can only guess. We may get kind of an announcement 182 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: that says positive moves have been made, but no deal 183 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 2: yet at the end of this week, or we might 184 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: get a deal. It's basically impossible to know without physically 185 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 2: being the room, and maybe even if you are in 186 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: the room, you still don't know how it's going to 187 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: pan out at this stage. 188 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: Another aspect of this that has really dominated headlines this 189 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: week is this push by Trump to receive the Nobel 190 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: Peace Prize for his role in these negotiations. Is there 191 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: precedent for a president, a US president to receive the 192 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: Nobel Peace Prize. 193 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 2: Yes, there's been a few. To pick two. Barack Obama 194 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: won it in two thousand and nine, so that was 195 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: less than a year into his presidency for quote his 196 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples 197 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: and former US President Jimmy Carter was awarded it in 198 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: two thousand and two, decades after his presidency, for quote 199 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 2: his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to 200 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 2: international conflicts, and that includes mediating peace talks between Israel 201 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: and Egypt while he was president in the late nineteen seventies. 202 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: One thing that has confused me at this conversation is 203 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: the idea of, you know, someone getting a peace prize 204 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: for a conflict where no peace has yet been achieved. 205 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: Is it possible for someone to receive a peace prize 206 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: for a conflict that yet hasn't been resolved yet? 207 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: Yes, it's happened several times. There was a peace prize 208 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: handed to two women in Northern Ireland when hostilities were 209 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 2: still very much active in that region. There were peace 210 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: prizes awarded to people working to end apartheid while apartheid 211 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: was still very much an active system. In the Middle East, specifically, 212 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: American diplomat Ralph Bunch was given the peace Prize for 213 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: negotiating a ceasefire between Israel and Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and 214 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: Syria in the late nineteen forties. However, Bunch came away 215 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: from those negotiations believing that his efforts had not benefited Palestinians, 216 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: and he thought about declining the peace prize with that 217 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: in mind. So obviously he did negotiate a cease fire 218 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 2: ending that one specific outbreak of conflict, but certainly not 219 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 2: resolving the entire region. So that's one example. And then 220 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: in the nineteen nineties that Palestinian leader yasa Arafat, Israeli 221 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: Foreign Minister Shiman Perez and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzak Raben 222 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 2: were awarded the prize jointly for quote their efforts to 223 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: create peace in the Middle East. That was in reference 224 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 2: to the Oslo Accords, a major peace plan that eventually 225 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: broke down. It's one of the dominoes that fell in 226 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: the lead up to the situation today. So you can 227 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 2: be given the prize for your efforts toward ending a conflict, 228 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 2: for reaching a conclusion in a conflict that then reopens. 229 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: They can't the Nobel Committee can't see the future. Yeah, 230 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: but yeah, so interesting. They're handing it down on Saturday night, 231 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: Australian time, and we don't know who the nominees are. 232 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: We don't find out, I believe until well after, like 233 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: many years in the future, they'll reveal who the nominees 234 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: for any given year were. And there have been times 235 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: in the past where they've just not awarded it. So 236 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: we'll see. 237 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: We will keep an eye on that. One more thing 238 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: that I want to talk about before we go is 239 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: another thing that has really dominated headlines in the past 240 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Is this flotilla of boats that has 241 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: been heading or been trying to head to Gaza to 242 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: deliver aid to Palestinians. They have been intercepted by Israel. 243 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: I know that there were a number of Australians on board, 244 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: as well as the well known activist Credit Tumberg. What 245 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: can you tell us about that? 246 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: So a convoy of boats called the Global Sumud Flotilla 247 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: sailed from Europe with aid on board, trying to reach 248 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: the shore of Gaza. As you said, Tunberg was on board, 249 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: Australian filmmaker Juliet Lamont another person on board one of 250 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: those boats. Israel intercepted several of the boats and detained 251 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 2: the passengers. Legal experts have accused Israel violating international law 252 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: by doing so, and as we are recording, more boats 253 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: are still sailing towards Gaza. All seven Australians were detained 254 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: and they've since been deported to Jordan. Lamont has since 255 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: told the ABC that Australia's government was unsupportive, and she 256 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: said that she believed that other countries' governments had helped 257 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: these Australians get across the border into Jordan. Many of 258 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: those who were detained have alleged mistreatment by their captors, 259 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: including Tunberg, who has alleged Israeli soldiers tortured her. 260 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: I've seen greater Tonberg speak after this all went down, 261 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: and one thing that she has really said is that 262 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: she doesn't want to be the story here. She really 263 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: wants the focus to remain on what is happening in 264 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: this conflict. Yeah, and there is certainly a lot for 265 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: us to keep it and I Lucy, thank you so 266 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: much for explaining all of that. Thanks Billy, and thank 267 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: you so much for listening to this episode of The 268 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: Daily os. We'll be back as always this afternoon with 269 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: your evening headlines, but until then, have a great day. 270 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 2: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda 271 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: Bunjelung Kalkottin from Gadigol Country. The Daily oz acknowledges that 272 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: this podcast is recorded on the lands of the Gadigol 273 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestrate island 274 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: and nations. We pay our respects to the first peoples 275 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: of these countries, both past and present.