WEBVTT - BONUS: Lance Armstrong

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<v Speaker 1>On a crisp morning in twenty twelve, the world awoke

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<v Speaker 1>to a revelation that would shake the very foundations of

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<v Speaker 1>professional cycling. Lance Armstrong, seven times Tour de France champion

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<v Speaker 1>and global icon, had been living a double lie. Behind

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<v Speaker 1>the medals, the charitable foundations, and the carefully curated image

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<v Speaker 1>of invincible athleticism lay as secret, decades in the making,

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<v Speaker 1>a sophisticated, systematic doping scheme that had deceived teammates, rivals,

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<v Speaker 1>and millions of fans worldwide. What began as whispers in

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<v Speaker 1>locker rooms and suspicious test results had become a full

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<v Speaker 1>blown investigation, peeling back layer after layer of lies, manipulation,

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<v Speaker 1>and betrayal. The question wasn't just how he had cheated,

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<v Speaker 1>It was how someone so adored could orchestrate such a

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<v Speaker 1>massive deception for so long. This week, ge, we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Lance Armstrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and those silly rubber yellow bands.

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<v Speaker 3>Those silly well thank you for finally saying a good one. Finally,

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<v Speaker 3>I'd he built his empire on gold and air, only

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<v Speaker 3>to watch it to solve like missed at sunrise. For years,

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<v Speaker 3>Lance arms Strong seemed untouchable, a force of nature. On

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<v Speaker 3>two wheels, a symbol of perseverance, a symbol of perseverance

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<v Speaker 3>against cancer, A beacon of hope for millions. His victories

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<v Speaker 3>were celebrated not just in the arena of professional cycling,

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<v Speaker 3>but in living rooms across the globe. He inspired others.

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<v Speaker 3>Charities flourished in his name, Endorsements poured in His story

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<v Speaker 3>became larger than sport itself.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a legend to the world.

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<v Speaker 2>He was immortal because I don't like there aren't. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't really think of any cyclists who aren't Australian whose

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<v Speaker 2>names I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Just Mark philippusis probably the only one I can think of.

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<v Speaker 2>Think so.

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<v Speaker 1>But beneath the shine of metals and accolades, the foundations

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<v Speaker 1>were fragile. The air he had built upon was a

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<v Speaker 1>carefully constructed illusion, a network of banned substances, secret routines,

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<v Speaker 1>and silent complicit teammates. Each Tour de France triumph, once

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<v Speaker 1>considered the pinnacle of human endurance, was now revealed to

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<v Speaker 1>be a carefully choreographed deception. The higher he climbed, the

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<v Speaker 1>more precarious the pedestal became, until the slightest whisper of

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<v Speaker 1>truth threatened to unravel everything, and then the mist began

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<v Speaker 1>to lift. Investigations, testimonies, and confessions peeled away the golden vine.

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<v Speaker 1>Sponsors withdrew accolades, were stripped, and fans wrestled with disbelief.

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<v Speaker 1>The legend of Lance Armstrong, once untouchable, cracked and faded,

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<v Speaker 1>leaving behind the stark reality of ambition, vanity, and human fallibility.

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<v Speaker 1>In the end, what remained was not the glint of gold,

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<v Speaker 1>but the fragile memory of what happens when brilliance is built.

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<v Speaker 4>On air.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we meet Lance, I want to give you a

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<v Speaker 1>brief overview of the Tour de Frances. Could you you

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<v Speaker 1>are We're proud of you too, Baba. You think like

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<v Speaker 1>you are quite amazing at your sport.

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<v Speaker 2>Please, I hope you're watching that on the YouTube. He

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<v Speaker 2>just walked up to me and just writing right in

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<v Speaker 2>my face and pushed me away from the Microsoft, very

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<v Speaker 2>jealous about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know much about the Tour Defance?

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<v Speaker 4>No, not really to de France, no.

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<v Speaker 2>About I just know the yellow Jacket and that it's

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<v Speaker 2>like the longest Smalls. It's certainly the most prestigious cycling

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<v Speaker 2>road race in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Battle I know about it. Oh, it's a battle.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I thought you said it's a battle, I

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<v Speaker 1>know about it. No, you said that's about.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about all I know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a battle. Battle, I know about it. That's me.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I don't know battles.

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<v Speaker 4>I know battles, magis straight. I employ you. It's a battles,

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<v Speaker 4>I know a battle.

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<v Speaker 1>When the race started in nineteen o three, which is

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<v Speaker 1>how long after adh.

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<v Speaker 2>That is one thy nine hundred and it's either two

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<v Speaker 2>or three.

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<v Speaker 4>Years after, so close. Not regod at math.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people were amateurs and I kind of love that

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<v Speaker 1>you look at like early sport, like especially like football

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<v Speaker 1>here AFL what we call it in Australia. You look

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<v Speaker 1>at like these men that were like butchers and worked

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<v Speaker 1>full time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, not myself to.

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<v Speaker 2>A butcher works full time plays games. It's your Instagram buyer,

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<v Speaker 2>was it?

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<v Speaker 4>Yep?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you your Instagram by to that for a week.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very funny a buddhacher who works full time and

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<v Speaker 2>plays game.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The moment just says busy mum. So I'm happy to.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it really? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Busy mum. I think that's very funny. Busy mum.

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<v Speaker 1>It is to stay awake and and be able to

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<v Speaker 1>endure their grueling challenge. They would take in hands as

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<v Speaker 1>to stay awake and get through.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you do you have hear what the challenge is?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go into it. Don't you worry about it,

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<v Speaker 1>baby girl? Even drinking to keep them going. The Tour

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<v Speaker 1>de France is an annual men's multiple stage road cycling

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<v Speaker 1>race held primarily in France. It is the oldest and

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<v Speaker 1>most prestigious of the Grand Tours. The race was organized

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen oh three to increase sales for a newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>and has been held annually ever since, except when it

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<v Speaker 1>was not held from nineteen fifteen to nineteen eighteen and

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty to nineteen forty six due to the War

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<v Speaker 1>COVID nineteen. Due to the Two World Wars, as a

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<v Speaker 1>tour gain dominance and popularity, the race was lengthened and

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<v Speaker 1>gained more international participation. The modern editions of the Tour

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<v Speaker 1>de France consist of twenty one day long stages over

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty three or twenty four day period and cover

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<v Speaker 1>approximately three thousand and five hundred kilometers in total. What

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<v Speaker 1>this is why it is a sport of endurance.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not there's no like realay aspect to it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one like each team person.

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<v Speaker 4>It is a ten team.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so individual American team.

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<v Speaker 2>So an individual won't ride the twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing you can be a captain of. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you can be, and please do tell us

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<v Speaker 1>if your game. I don't think you can actually be

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<v Speaker 1>a an individual individual. I think you ride for a

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<v Speaker 1>team as far as I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but does anyone ride every day of it?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>You do? You ride every day?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I'm asking A cyclist will ride all

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<v Speaker 2>twenty will ride the three thousand something killed? Holy shit?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you're in a team. But yes, each rider

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<v Speaker 1>they like to be called girl, don't mean. Lance Armstrong's

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<v Speaker 1>mother had him when she was just seventeen years old

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<v Speaker 1>and he was.

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<v Speaker 4>Zero at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>His biological father and mother didn't stay together, and by

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<v Speaker 1>the age of three years old, his mother had remarried

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<v Speaker 1>to a very strict drill sergeant by the name of

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<v Speaker 1>Terry Armstrong, and Lance hated him. So that so Armstrong

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<v Speaker 1>was and yeah, not his biological And I know, something

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<v Speaker 1>as small as leaving the door open will be enough

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<v Speaker 1>to incur a punishment. Lance Armstrong loved to compete from

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<v Speaker 1>a young age. He didn't have the skill to play baseball,

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<v Speaker 1>the coordination to play basketball, or the strength to play football.

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<v Speaker 1>While he couldn't compete in these sports against his components,

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<v Speaker 1>he could outlast them. In nineteen ninety four, my when

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<v Speaker 1>I was in prep, I was three years old and.

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<v Speaker 2>One nine hundred and ninety. I think it's two years ad.

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<v Speaker 4>She's so close.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety four, thirteen year old Lance tried insurance sports,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly triathlons. He was a teen thirteen. He was obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with training and would keep a log of his workouts,

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<v Speaker 1>gaining on his competitors each time as much as he could.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I could become obsessed with something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah you know, challenge, Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm obsessed with it. In toastis and sleeping, yes, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Are obsessed with I'm not saying toasty you are obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with sleeping. When Lance was still a child, he competed

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<v Speaker 1>in swimming and cycling. When he began, Terry, his stepdad,

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<v Speaker 1>became even more strict and even more intense than before.

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<v Speaker 1>Terry later attributed much of Lance's success to his strict

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<v Speaker 1>treatment of him, saying later that when Lance fell off

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<v Speaker 1>his bike, he said, if you're gonna come out of

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<v Speaker 1>here and quit and cry, then we're done. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to have a quitter because he.

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<v Speaker 2>Fell off his bar.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I play sing a song about a man named Terry?

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<v Speaker 1>Could you do it at the end to end the episode,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think I know it rhymes with Mary, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to hear it at the end. Anger and

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<v Speaker 1>frustration became a big motivator in Lance's life. When he

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<v Speaker 1>got angry at Terry, he said, you're not my dad,

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<v Speaker 1>something that he that he said later to coaches and

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus had actually said to Joseph.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, how many years after.

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<v Speaker 1>Us Joseph lance Water did in the fact check. Lance

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to continue racing in triathlons. This was a real

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<v Speaker 1>passion for him.

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<v Speaker 2>And how many sports are there in a triathlon?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have these facts.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish it wouldn't throw me out like that. Insurance

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<v Speaker 1>sport became his superpower. He won even though he was

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<v Speaker 1>under the age limit. His mother even helped forged Forde

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<v Speaker 1>the documentation for Shadowing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that was stunning.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we said we wouldn't do songs to the en,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want to that one. By the age of sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>he turned pro. At eighteen, he was the national sprint

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<v Speaker 1>course triathlon champion.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>But he didn't really.

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<v Speaker 1>Care enough about running or swimming. His true passion was

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<v Speaker 1>Toboggans so close cycling the other one's the opposite of that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>cycling is the opposite of that. After graduating, No no sports.

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<v Speaker 1>After graduating, he moved to Austin. Likey Austin and began racing.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety one, Well I was born. He was

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<v Speaker 1>just twenty years old and won the US Amateur national championship.

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<v Speaker 1>It earned him a spot on the nineteen ninety two

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<v Speaker 1>Olympic team.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>He ended up finishing fourteenth and was embarrassed by that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt like he needed to lift his game.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what they say, if you're not first, you're

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<v Speaker 2>fourteenth good.

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<v Speaker 1>Immediately after that he joined the Motorola team. He participated

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<v Speaker 1>in his first road race. He finished dead last. He

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<v Speaker 1>was undeterred, and he became more and more competitive. He

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<v Speaker 1>had his sight set on the Tour to four the

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<v Speaker 1>false Now the Tour de France changes route every year, so.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to go a bit more into it. At

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<v Speaker 4>this time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the biggest phrase. Hold over twenty three days in July.

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<v Speaker 1>The riders in the peloton, that's called a term for

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<v Speaker 1>a group of riders struggle up at least two mountain rangers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the ultimate test of skill and insurance. But Lance

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<v Speaker 1>was just twenty two years old at the time. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>the average age of a rider in the Tour de France.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you I guess?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do want to guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty eight sixty seven years old to no, he is

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight?

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<v Speaker 4>Did you catchphrase? What? What?

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<v Speaker 2>I actually didn't think it would be thirty eight, but

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<v Speaker 2>when you were saying twenty two was so wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty eight but still, I mean athlete, That is a

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<v Speaker 1>huge difference. I guess six years there. They have more

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<v Speaker 1>diverse skills at that age.

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<v Speaker 5>Agility, Yeah, yeah, that more diverse skills. Apparently, agility the

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<v Speaker 5>strength to power through and are better with endurance. Lance

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<v Speaker 5>had ambition, though he would win an individual space. Each

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<v Speaker 5>individual race makes up the Tour de France. He was

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<v Speaker 5>on the nine man Tour de France team with Motorola.

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<v Speaker 5>He was chosen for his express riding, so he was

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<v Speaker 5>really good at Sprints. The eighth stage was through the

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<v Speaker 5>hilly French countryside. In most stages, a few riders try

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<v Speaker 5>to ride out into breakaway groups so the sprinters can

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<v Speaker 5>compete for the win. In the last few miles of

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<v Speaker 5>the eighth stage, a breakaway group surged ahead. Lance and

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<v Speaker 5>two others were able to bridge the gap, and it

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<v Speaker 5>paid off. Lance's group had a six second lead.

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<v Speaker 2>Should name pronounced Lance? If we're talking about to Minfong, Let's.

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<v Speaker 4>Call him Lance from now on.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the first major victory of Lance's career. The

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<v Speaker 1>Tour de France had been a major success for him

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<v Speaker 1>and his team In nineteen ninety three. It lined up

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<v Speaker 1>a road race in the World Championship in Norway. Many believe,

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<v Speaker 1>Wait what Norway? Many believed Lance would win the race.

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<v Speaker 1>Conditions perfectly suited his combative approach. It would be it

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<v Speaker 1>would be who could stay on the bike the longest,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the most ambitious and the most determined. As

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<v Speaker 1>the one hundred and sixty mile race progressed, Lance rode

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<v Speaker 1>away from the back and raised his arms in victory alone.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a champion. He had accomplished more than other

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<v Speaker 1>cyclists had ever dreamed of. He was the next big thing.

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<v Speaker 1>He set out to win the Thrift Triple Crown in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety three. This was a trio of cycling events

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<v Speaker 1>in the US. Any rider who can win all three

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<v Speaker 1>scored a whopping one million dollar prime.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh in the nineties Yeah wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Lance won the first two, sending him up for a

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<v Speaker 1>massive payday if he could win all of them. He

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<v Speaker 1>met up with the captain of the rival team and

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<v Speaker 1>he laid out a deal. If they let him win,

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<v Speaker 1>he would give them fifty thousand dollars in winnings. Since

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't already in the running.

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<v Speaker 4>It sounded pretty.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing to them, except that it's cheating. On the day,

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<v Speaker 1>he got a comfortable lead, he coasted to victory. He

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<v Speaker 1>then found the racer at the hotel and actually gave

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<v Speaker 1>him one hundred thousand dollars more than promised. They did

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<v Speaker 1>said Merry Christmas?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it Christmas? Or did you just say no? Okay?

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<v Speaker 4>He began racing. Mince snap at you like that.

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<v Speaker 1>He began racing more overseas and against people he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>always be able to buy off.

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<v Speaker 2>Hang on, is that is this buying this other? After that?

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<v Speaker 4>Like was in?

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<v Speaker 2>Did he get trouble for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone knew at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>I kept his.

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<v Speaker 1>Winning streak going for a few years, a stage in

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<v Speaker 1>the Tour de France and a few races in Europe.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point he was taking testosterone and cortizone, both

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<v Speaker 1>are illegal in pro cycling, but most athletes take them anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>They were illegal but difficult to control, especially for endurance

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<v Speaker 1>sports and everything. A lot of people were taking stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Your difficult to control, as in it's difficult to control

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<v Speaker 2>where the people are. Yeh yeh.

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<v Speaker 1>Lance moved to Italy to train, and while he was

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<v Speaker 1>using enhancements, he and his teammates kept losing. He was

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<v Speaker 1>getting mad at and madder, and he discovered a drug

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<v Speaker 1>called EPO.

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<v Speaker 2>He's getting mad because he's taking testosterone. Yeah, yes, scread yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a medical doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an enhancement drug that increases your red blood cell count,

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<v Speaker 1>which enables you to exert yourself longer than you normally would.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called epopo. Is that why three po.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you don't have any more to the punchline,

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<v Speaker 2>so keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. There's also no way to test it. Also, at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, there's no way to test if you're taking

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<v Speaker 1>the drug. In nineteen ninety five, he learned that someone

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<v Speaker 1>he knew was working with doctor. He was a sports

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<v Speaker 1>medicine expert. You and did a bit of off the

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<v Speaker 1>book work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I do.

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<v Speaker 1>He worked in a beat up station wagon.

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<v Speaker 4>That's how you know. Pretty off book, isn't it he works? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Where was your office? It's a beat up stations.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it'd be one of those ones with

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<v Speaker 2>like a mattress in the back as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually athletes pay him out of their winnings. So commission

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<v Speaker 1>pays doctor that works in a picked up station wagon.

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<v Speaker 1>Things are going pretty well for doc very.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm picturing a better coal soul. Oh yeah, like you

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<v Speaker 2>know how he's like the kind of dodgy lawyer yours.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Piggy no for any reason, No, no, no, no, no no no.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just picturing me going I was talking that

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<v Speaker 1>she was No, no, I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Just picturing her nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Lance paid him tens of thousands of dollars a month

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<v Speaker 1>to be the EPO program, So now he's buying a really.

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<v Speaker 4>Nice station wagon.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety six, Lance was the top ranked cyclist

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. He was living in a beautiful house

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<v Speaker 1>all by himself. He's doping got results. He was the

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<v Speaker 1>first and only American to win a two hundred kilometer

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<v Speaker 1>race in Belgium. He competed in the Olympics and signed

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<v Speaker 1>an endorsement deal with Nike, Nike Nike. In nineteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>he was diagnosed with cancer because he was a bikey

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<v Speaker 1>BIKEI Nike Nike.

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<v Speaker 2>That wasn't about cancer, sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>And only had a fifty percent chance of living particular,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he dropped out of the Tour de Frent.

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<v Speaker 1>He was twenty five years Oh my god. Yeah, diagnosed

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<v Speaker 1>with testicular cancer. The disease had spread throughout the day.

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<v Speaker 1>After his diagnosis, he had his right testicle removed and

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<v Speaker 1>flew to have brain surgery. Luckily he had our great

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<v Speaker 1>support system to see him well.

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<v Speaker 2>It had spread to his brain. Yeah, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>The doctors asked if you had ever taken performance enhancing drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>He straightaway said yes, yes, and listed a long list

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<v Speaker 1>including epo, steroids and more. He said this in front

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<v Speaker 1>of all of his friends quite openly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, when you've got your going in from brain surgery,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to be honest about it.

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<v Speaker 1>His friends were absolutely shocked. Lots of people suspected the

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<v Speaker 1>drugs are linked with the cancer. Lancer's recovery was brutal

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<v Speaker 1>for a few months. He was declared cancer free in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 6>That isn't miraculously, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>He's all.

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<v Speaker 1>Motorola team had folded by then, but he joined the

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<v Speaker 1>newly formed USPS team sponsored by the Postal Service.

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<v Speaker 2>So when Motorola folded, did they say goodbye.

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<v Speaker 4>Mortal it's a flip phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh and folded. Yeah, that was making but that

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<v Speaker 2>one's better.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, they signed Lance. He was a low risk person

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<v Speaker 1>to take on. If he returned to his previous heights,

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<v Speaker 1>he would be the best rider, but also the publicity

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<v Speaker 1>would be great. At the time, Lance met a new girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>They got a kitten together and called it Chemo.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh sweetest, I'm not sure about that.

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<v Speaker 1>He was working back to full fitness slowly, so it

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<v Speaker 1>took a long time obviously. After the treatment and everything,

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<v Speaker 1>Lance decided to move back to Austin. He started to relax,

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<v Speaker 1>do some soul searching and had a new cancer charity setup.

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<v Speaker 1>He couldn't just relax and soon wanted to just spend

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<v Speaker 1>all of his time racing again. He had his cancer

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<v Speaker 1>charity at this point, but he needed to get back

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<v Speaker 1>out there more and more and kind of compete as

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<v Speaker 1>much as he could.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just that personality exactly. Yeah, it's all he's ever

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<v Speaker 2>known and that's what he loves exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>On July eighth, nineteen ninety eight, French customs officers stopped

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<v Speaker 1>a Spanish cyclist at the border.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have said this, ahit, let's stop in French.

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<v Speaker 2>I learned that word because when I didn't exchange in

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<v Speaker 2>France when I was seventeen, and.

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<v Speaker 4>What did you get into return?

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<v Speaker 2>The younger brother in the family that I stayed with,

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<v Speaker 2>his name was Victor, and he was like just like

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<v Speaker 2>a naughty teenage boy. There was just always like bouncing

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<v Speaker 2>off the walls and just being naughty, and so the

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<v Speaker 2>parents were always going avidor avidor that's all. I always

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<v Speaker 2>remember that stop stop.

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<v Speaker 1>When they searched his car, they found full bags of

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<v Speaker 1>EPO Sarah. Yeah, the Spanish person are steroids and more.

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<v Speaker 1>It was three days before the Tour de France was

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<v Speaker 1>set to start. It set off a huge chain reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>The entire Spanish team was thrown off the tour.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole team.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Also like in jury sports. I don't know if the

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<v Speaker 1>whole team were using.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it were, but yeah, when your classmate does

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<v Speaker 2>something naughty and you all get punished, you all.

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<v Speaker 1>Get dead, apple rots, all of the bananas. I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>saying that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you've always said that, but I've always said it's

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<v Speaker 2>not true.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, say it. By now, love keep saying it.

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<v Speaker 4>By now.

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<v Speaker 1>Lance was training harder than ever with the doctor watching

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<v Speaker 1>over him. He lost unnecessary muscle and found a more

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<v Speaker 1>committed team m with a new physique. So he was

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<v Speaker 1>losing unnecessary muscle, so he just like so Lena's Lena,

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<v Speaker 1>and he could Yeah. Yeah. Armed with the new physique

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<v Speaker 1>and new teammates, he was promoted to lead in his

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<v Speaker 1>team in nineteen ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, only two years after being.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, so quite incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look at this, you're going, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>that's incredible. Yeah, without drugs on not really, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's quite incredible to come back from that. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety nine, for the Tour de France, Lance won his sprint,

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<v Speaker 1>coming in eight seconds over the last person. No one

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<v Speaker 1>was expecting him to be that incredible.

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<v Speaker 4>So like.

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<v Speaker 1>Surely after his recovery, the press were excited to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to Lance. Lance spoke quickly, going on the offensive, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>on the defensive and also offensive, and said that it

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<v Speaker 1>was time for journalists to leave the past in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an opposite. Offensive and defensive is an opposite, like

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<v Speaker 2>tobogganing and cyclist, Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Exact opposite. That they need to stop focusing on doping.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was cancer free and was at the next

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<v Speaker 1>stage of his life.

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<v Speaker 2>He was saying this to journalist. Yes, so like red

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<v Speaker 2>rag to a bull, stop focused. Don't worry about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't worry about that guy, worry about that.

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<v Speaker 1>WHI there's a moving my hand over here. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I always doing. Put my hand over here, waving at you.

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<v Speaker 1>A few days into the race, the truth came out.

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<v Speaker 1>Lance tested positive for cortzone. Like EPO, it is a

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<v Speaker 1>naturally occurring hormone that helps combat stress and aids muscle recovery.

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<v Speaker 1>It has been banned in cycling since nineteen sixty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can have exemptions for using this, and Lance

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<v Speaker 1>had some kind of exemption for using quarter zone over

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<v Speaker 1>his time.

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<v Speaker 4>Over this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, he got his doctor to back date so he

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<v Speaker 1>could pass the test in that beat up state station

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<v Speaker 1>wagon you know where in.

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<v Speaker 2>Partisi he's got a good station wagon.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the authorities believed him and let him go. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Lance had a new team doctor, so he brought the doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>M Lance's wife went around distributing cortizone drugs to his teammates.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>In nineteen ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, do you know what cortzone does to enhance performance? No?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think it just helps you recover, like

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<v Speaker 1>your muscle recovery is, so we can get back to

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<v Speaker 1>going quicker. Yeah. In nineteen ninety nine, he and his

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<v Speaker 1>team won the Tour de France. People pointed out how

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<v Speaker 1>unbelievable it was. Fans waved American and Texan flags. He

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<v Speaker 1>was making a historic comeback. It was the front page everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and America was extremely proud, and now he was a superstar.

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<v Speaker 1>He was all over everything. People were hailing it as

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<v Speaker 1>a miracle. How would it be possible after just recovering

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<v Speaker 1>from cancer with a fifty percent chance of surviving. His

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<v Speaker 1>new approach to doping worked, but it was very risky.

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<v Speaker 1>It was becoming more noticeable and people were getting found

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<v Speaker 1>out and banned. His teammates had to cover up their

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<v Speaker 1>syringe bruises. The press was still very suspicious of him.

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<v Speaker 1>He was asked if he was doping, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>he denied it every time. Lance was furious with another

0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:52.200
<v Speaker 1>racer who started speaking out about doping and saying how

0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 1>bad it was in the industry. It was getting out

0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:57.119
<v Speaker 1>of control. Lance decided to put him in his place

0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:01.200
<v Speaker 1>on the cycle. Lance ordered his team to pursue the cyclist,

0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:04.800
<v Speaker 1>caught up to him and surrounded him. Lance put a

0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:06.679
<v Speaker 1>hand on his shoulder and told him if he was

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:10.359
<v Speaker 1>speaking out it would not be tolerated. Lance suggested he

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<v Speaker 1>find a new profession.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:17.080
<v Speaker 1>After the first Tour de France he won, Lance won

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<v Speaker 1>the next.

0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:18.840
<v Speaker 4>Five in a row.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa by the age of thirty two. In two thousand

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:23.680
<v Speaker 1>and four, he was even bigger star.

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:25.400
<v Speaker 2>He turned thirty two in two thousand and.

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:29.439
<v Speaker 1>Forty correct, I'm now fifty something. His memoir was on

0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 1>the New York Times bestseller list. At some point Lance's

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Lance left his wife and started dating a very famous

0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:43.639
<v Speaker 1>person by the name of Julie Gillar Sheryl Crow. Just

0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 1>a little bit that new EPO tests were being formulated,

0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:51.920
<v Speaker 1>so Lance and his team had to be smarter about it.

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.560
<v Speaker 1>They started doing it all nights so it wouldn't show

0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:56.520
<v Speaker 1>up so sorry, late at night, so it wouldn't show

0:25:56.600 --> 0:25:59.920
<v Speaker 1>up on the same day tests. They also started doing

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:05.280
<v Speaker 1>blood transfusions, which increased blood oxygen capacity. Lance was now

0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:09.119
<v Speaker 1>pressuring the team all to do this. They did it

0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:11.879
<v Speaker 1>in front of Cheryl, and Lance told her that every

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:12.919
<v Speaker 1>team was doing it.

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 2>I suppose you wouldn't know if you were involved in

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I would just say, like Lance Armstrong and Cheryl Crow,

0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 2>two famous names, famous people we know. But if you

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:24.200
<v Speaker 2>just think of a couple named Lance and Cheryl.

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Yep, oh my god, yeah, exactly. A hot couple that

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:31.480
<v Speaker 1>you think of your mind doesn't cast hot right away.

0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:31.680
<v Speaker 4>Do they?

0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 1>There is there a drag queen called Cheryl Hole.

0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:36.959
<v Speaker 4>I feel like there is.

0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:40.720
<v Speaker 2>It might be, well, is there a part of missing there?

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think there is.

0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:45.640
<v Speaker 4>I feel like it's Cheryl Hole cher whole Crow.

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't know.

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 4>It's just at the end in two when you sing

0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 4>a song.

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:53.239
<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and four, a journal accused him of

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:59.000
<v Speaker 1>doping and had very credible sources, people very close to him.

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:01.640
<v Speaker 2>What this might be an I have questioned, but why

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:04.360
<v Speaker 2>weren't they just testing all the time that they were

0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:07.119
<v Speaker 2>doping in a certain way, that he.

0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Was doping at night and then they would test the

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:11.800
<v Speaker 1>next day, so it often wasn't traceable on that everything.

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and five, Lance won his seventh to

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:16.280
<v Speaker 1>a defrance.

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Wow, do you know how to say seven in French?

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 4>Seventh?

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 1>He addressed his haters in his speech. He was really

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 1>patronizing and said that he done hard work and he

0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:34.320
<v Speaker 1>won all the championships himself, trying to draw attention away

0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>from doping when he was talking.

0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:37.680
<v Speaker 2>And what look, what I will say is he has

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 2>done hard work. Yeah, but I will also say, like

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 2>just kind of be a little bit exactly two things

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:47.400
<v Speaker 2>can be true, and also just like just sit down

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:49.879
<v Speaker 2>a bit, you know it, don't be rasted loud and

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 2>no I don't even mean that, but like, why get

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:59.919
<v Speaker 2>up there and be hateful and patronizing like threatening other people?

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 4>He was invincible though he really is.

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh you've gone out with Sheryl Cole, the then Lance

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 1>retired crow Crow.

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 4>Sorry, I keep kidding, that's.

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.879
<v Speaker 2>Why, right, So there's a Sheryl coal Is someone as well.

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 4>Maybe I don't know. I want to look it up.

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 4>After then, Lance retired from cycling. He wanted to protect

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 4>his legacy.

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Lance, of course intimidates and bullies anyone that opposes him.

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Still, I despise the fact that you said, of course, because.

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 4>But look at him.

0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Lance was on SNLS. I don't know live joking about

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 1>testing his urine.

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:33.159
<v Speaker 4>Oh god, the.

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Urine comes from when he is disposed of. He paints

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 1>the person. So, Betsy, who's the person that went against

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.959
<v Speaker 1>him in his claims? Who was actually the person in

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>the in the hospital room who said, oh, he admitted,

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 1>He admitted it. He admitted openly in the hospital about.

0:28:57.720 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 4>All the drugs.

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:00.640
<v Speaker 2>He was sorry. Some random person in the hospital heard

0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:01.000
<v Speaker 2>him talk.

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:03.560
<v Speaker 1>A friend of his, he was an ex friend now,

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 1>but she was like in the hospital room when he

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>was like listing off all.

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 2>The drugs he was taking, and she went publicly, oh, Betsy.

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 4>Betsy called her.

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>He called her unstable publicly, and he was all over

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:19.800
<v Speaker 1>the place. He broke up with Sheryl Crow and started

0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 1>dating a slew of Hollywood stars. A year after his retirement.

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I can't Ginsey Gohan, I don't think that's no. A

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 1>year after his retirement, a man by the name of

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Floyd won the Tour de France. After his crown champion,

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 1>he was found out to be cheating. He denied it

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 1>right away, and he fumbled over his words. He got

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 1>to advise from Lance. Lance called him and told him

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:52.320
<v Speaker 1>that he needed to say absolutely not. They were all teammates,

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 1>and Lance was clearly worried that maybe they would start

0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 1>digging into him. Floyd was forced into arbitration and sped

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 1>mean two million dollars on his own defense. He was

0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 1>barred from pro cycling for two years and is the

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 1>first Tour de France's winner in over a century to

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 1>be stripped of his title.

0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 2>In over a century. Is interesting that somewhere before as.

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 1>Well, he developed a bad binge drinking habit, and he

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 1>fell off the ladder and broke a lot of bones.

0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Fell off a ladder, yeap, fell off the ladders in.

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Like no, no, no, and he ended up getting hooked

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:30.400
<v Speaker 1>on painkillers.

0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's awful.

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden Lance announced that he

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 1>was coming out of retirement. Floyd wanted to then join

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Lancer's team, but the manager of the team stated that

0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Floyd was now too toxic. In April twenty ten, Floyd

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 1>wrote an email to the head of US Cycling naming

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 1>names of all the people that were doping.

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh so he's kind of gone if I'm not a

0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 2>ladder to come back.

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 1>He then admitted publicly to doping. He wanted to clear

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 1>his conscience.

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Lloyd did, yea.

0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>The FBI looked into it and looked into Lance a

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>little bit too, I did.

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Why didn't realize it was actually a criminal.

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 1>Thing doing though, if you're winning money and everything, it

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 1>must be Yeah.

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 2>I suppose it could be fraud or if any of

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:19.080
<v Speaker 2>the drugs related.

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, there was one man who wanted to bring him down.

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>A man by the name of Travis, who interviewed Kelsey, Yes,

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 1>who interviewed everyone who was willing to come forward.

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 2>And he's speak going to tell me who Travis is.

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:35.040
<v Speaker 1>No, he's a journalist. Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. A

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:37.240
<v Speaker 1>man by the name of Travis, and he spoke to

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 1>the Guardian. The witness testimony painted a pretty damning picture

0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:45.480
<v Speaker 1>of Lance. They found that Lance used a lot of

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 1>performance enhancing drugs. He encouraged others to dope and violate

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 1>the rules. Lance was given the chance to testify, but

0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 1>he refused. He maintained his innocence. He stated it was

0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 1>an unfair process, but he wasn't going to succumb to

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 1>their bullying. Lance got dropped by eight sponsors in a

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 1>single day.

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 2>This is the thing, right, and it can be a

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:12.960
<v Speaker 2>double edged sword, because if you were innocent of it,

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 2>you would des fy, you'd go yep, like you know,

0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:19.440
<v Speaker 2>just everything this is a like find something wrong, you won't,

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:23.040
<v Speaker 2>so not doing so does make you seem guilty. And

0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 2>the reason I say to double edged sword is because

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:28.560
<v Speaker 2>that's that's probably the wrong term, but that's unfair as well.

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:31.640
<v Speaker 2>If someone isn't guilty, yeah, it just doesn't want to

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 2>go through that. But I mean, we know he was

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 2>so exactly well he could have just cleared yourself.

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, yeah, one hundred percent.

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, he lost all of his sponsors in an

0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:44.320
<v Speaker 1>entire day. Forbes estimated they'd lost around one hundred and

0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 1>fifty million dollars in future earnings. In January twenty thirteen,

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Lance Armstrong was in Austin, Texas. He was being interviewed,

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 1>but for a very different reason than usual. This time,

0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 1>it's not about his record breaking seven wins on the

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Tour de France. He was being interviewed this time by

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Oprah Winfrey.

0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh I've heard of her.

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Oprah said yes or no? Did you ever take banned

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 1>substances to enhance your cycling performance? Right away? Lance said yes.

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 1>He admitted to using a large amount of banned substances

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 1>and doping methods in all seven of his Tour Defront's victories.

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, it took him almost two years to actually like

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 2>from when he was so was this journalist Travis essentially

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 2>was like, I'm going to out him for this. Did

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 2>so he still maintained his inno sense, but it kind

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 2>of went nowhere because obviously he couldn't prove.

0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:40.400
<v Speaker 1>But even if you look back at like when he

0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 1>was on Saturday Night Live and stuff, he was joking

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 1>about it for a long time. So they were always whispers.

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:47.520
<v Speaker 2>That were always big, like the big kind.

0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Of baking breaking point was travers.

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Lance said that whole time, No way didn't

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 2>but then didn't try to prove that he didn't improve

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 2>it just kind of went quite went to ground for

0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 2>two years and then went on Oprah.

0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:00.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and to say something about this.

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:04.360
<v Speaker 1>People have been suspecting this for a long time. But

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 1>it was the first time he actually admitted it out loud.

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:11.359
<v Speaker 1>Oprah also talked about his bullying behavior into silencing people

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 1>who attempted to blow the whistle, calling the person a

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:17.520
<v Speaker 1>whore and then suing her for liabilities, as Betsy calls

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:20.319
<v Speaker 1>her a whore and then suit her liability.

0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:21.760
<v Speaker 2>I hate this guy.

0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:23.719
<v Speaker 1>He then said in the interview, laughing it off, that

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 1>he sued lots of people during that time, so he's

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 1>unsure if that person.

0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 4>Was sued in particular.

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Get fuck.

0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:32.400
<v Speaker 1>He was also lying in the interview he did not

0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 1>stop doping in two thousand and five. He also said

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 1>he never insisted his teammate should cheat, but twelve of

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 1>them came forward and said that he did.

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 4>Oh yes.

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:45.800
<v Speaker 1>He continually lied in the interview and laughed things off.

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:50.919
<v Speaker 1>Lance has since appeared in few documentaries and made several appearances.

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>He has a popular cycling podcast Now he started Looking,

0:34:56.360 --> 0:35:01.280
<v Speaker 1>he started a medical marijuana clinic, and oh American athlete

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 1>has won the Tour de France since two thousand and six.

0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 1>That She Love is a brief story about Lance Strong.

0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:13.359
<v Speaker 2>I really hate him.

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I don't think he's a good guard.

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 2>I feel like what I knew about it, Like I

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:19.480
<v Speaker 2>was quite young when it was all happened.

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, And what I.

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:24.399
<v Speaker 2>Remember of it was that he, Yeah, it was found

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 2>out that he was doping. It was a really un

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 2>like everyone kind of felt a bit sad about that,

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 2>but because he'd done such great things for the cancer

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:34.040
<v Speaker 2>charity and like, yes, he was doping, but he was

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:36.239
<v Speaker 2>still amazing, and it's been hard to know how to

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 2>react to it. That is my memory of it. I

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 2>don't know why. Maybe that's how I was kind of

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:44.239
<v Speaker 2>told the story. I don't know, but hearing that I'm going.

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:45.840
<v Speaker 4>To fuck this guy exactly.

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and good on him for doing great things for

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:52.720
<v Speaker 2>a cancer charity, not away at all, But.

0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 4>Don't take the money back, guys, No, it doesn't, can't.

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 2>But this I fucking hate this Guy's like there like

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 2>appit to me of toxic horror.

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, would you please sing me the Terry song?

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:05.360
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 1>As I quickly quickly look up.

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so this is a song I'm gonna say straight

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<v Speaker 2>off the bat. I didn't make it up, Chris Lily did.

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<v Speaker 2>But it goes like this, Terry, Terry, you make me

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<v Speaker 2>very merry, even though you're very very hairy, I'll Always

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<v Speaker 2>Love My Terry And Joel Creese's father's named Terry, and

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<v Speaker 2>I sang that song to Joel Creese's father after about

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<v Speaker 2>eighty five champagnes out his birthday and that's when we

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<v Speaker 2>fell in love.

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<v Speaker 4>There is a singer called Cheryl Cole.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, so Cheryl Hole is a clever drag queen name,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not a play on Cheryl Crow. And according

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<v Speaker 2>to a quick Google surge, Lance Armstrong actually dated Kate Hudson.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, wow, yeah, and he's also been thinked to

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<v Speaker 2>fashion designer Tory Birch and Ashley Olsen.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Kate Hudson he briefly dated in two thousand and eight.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Yeah. It's an interesting story though, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Or it is it's just like, yeah, I oh, he's

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<v Speaker 2>just everything about like he's the or could be one

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<v Speaker 2>of the poster children for the type of toxic male.

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<v Speaker 4>That I just despise.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, it's just yeah, I mean the

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<v Speaker 1>whole the whole story.

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<v Speaker 2>You like, have he ever charge with anything? You said

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI got involved.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if he's ever charge with anything. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think he was.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and if you know the answer to that also,

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to say as well, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>be starting a drag queen character based on Cheryl Crowe

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<v Speaker 1>called Cheryl Hole.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we should work on it, Souse. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, you've actually already said that that name's taken.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but it's but it's that's it based on Cheryl Cole.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll do the same name, but it's based on shell Crow.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I love you, I'm going to tell you I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that's very good.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Yes, we're a liar.

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<v Speaker 2>What about Cheryl blow Job?

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<v Speaker 4>It's not that good.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, that's an interesting story about the case of Lance Armstrong.

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<v Speaker 2>was that Instagram?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we've got it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd not another crime podcast. It's the same thing on

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<v Speaker 4>Us you Chune is so funny. It's such a funny

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<v Speaker 4>place to be.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's funny because it's like, uh, you like

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<v Speaker 2>it could be like ur l but it's you, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's like you like yourself on the tube in London.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that's funny? No, I'm gonna my.

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<v Speaker 4>Lube. What is that?

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<v Speaker 2>You lube or lou glube tube?

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<v Speaker 1>Well mine's always been Bonella Lawson, which is a bit

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<v Speaker 1>like lube, A bit like lube. Anyway, everybody, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you enjoyed the episode that we just did about I'm Strong,

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<v Speaker 1>very strange, but Lance, I'm strong anyway. We'd love to

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<v Speaker 2>I think if I was a school bully who had

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<v Speaker 2>gone to school with Lance Armstrong, and I'm only now

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<v Speaker 2>knowing in hindsight that he turned out to be a

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<v Speaker 2>horrible person, I wouldn't have bullied him in school, but

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<v Speaker 2>now I know that I would call him lancearm Week.

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<v Speaker 1>Why isn't there a band called Dance arm Strong.

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<v Speaker 2>TM trademark Hey we've got to go, We've got I've

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<v Speaker 2>got to get.

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<v Speaker 4>Some plans that pen real quick. Bye, everybody,