Speaker 1: Mom.
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Speaker 3: Love those umboo.
Speaker 4: Let well use your head, they will tear you lack
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Speaker 5: Oh no no, no, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 6: Hi.
Speaker 5: I'm Amanda and I'm Remy.
Speaker 3: Welcome to It's Layer.
Speaker 5: We're in a long distance friendship that started over twenty
Speaker 5: years ago when we were in high school.
Speaker 3: We'll be talking about all things life, love, family, anything
Speaker 3: and everything else under the sun.
Speaker 5: Delve deeper with us because in life, you know, Jine
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Speaker 3: Welcome everyone. Today, we have such a special episode for
Speaker 3: you all. I'm sure by now you've heard of the
Speaker 3: amazing audio drama Private Affairs, and we've got some of
Speaker 3: the cast with us today and of course the creator
Speaker 3: with us today, and we're just going to be delving
Speaker 3: deeper into what we're calling Layered a Fairs, the custo
Speaker 3: and crew of Private Affairs. Yes, welcome guys. So we've
Speaker 3: got the creator, the writer, the director, the enter, the producer,
Speaker 3: Christine Kicks, High Kicks. How are you going? Hey, ladies,
Speaker 3: what's up?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 5: Welcome?
Speaker 3: I was so excited to have you.
Speaker 8: This is so exciting.
Speaker 4: I'm really curious to hear what everyone else will say
Speaker 4: as you get into these topics.
Speaker 3: So yeah, just like Tom not your fo todam listening.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also got ron Kat, who plays the character of Luke.
Speaker 9: How you going wrong?
Speaker 10: I'm good good. It's wonderful to see such beautiful faces.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Speaking of beautiful faces, we've got swinging Chinooka, who plays
Speaker 3: the character of Mattie.
Speaker 6: How you going I'm so good? This is such a
Speaker 6: cool experience. I feel like I listen to podcasts all
Speaker 6: day every day, so I'm like, what I have to
Speaker 6: be on this is exciting.
Speaker 3: Well, you're a voice actor, so you're probably used to
Speaker 3: hearing your own voice, but when you first heard of
Speaker 3: voices on podcasts, were like, what I sound like that?
Speaker 6: I don't think you can ever get used to it.
Speaker 6: So when I had to listen back to the podcast,
Speaker 6: I had to pep talk myself to not judge myself
Speaker 6: because I feel like everyone on this podcast has such
Speaker 6: a sultry, sexy, silky voice.
Speaker 2: Sexy.
Speaker 6: I listened, I'm like, come on, it's no me, but
Speaker 6: everyone was so cool to listen to.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it was.
Speaker 6: I got out of my head and just focused on
Speaker 6: the the show as a whole, which is nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to get into that for sure. And
Speaker 3: last but not least, you got Greti kai Janny who
Speaker 3: plays the druel character of Ton Dy and also PJ Welcome, Hello, How.
Speaker 7: Are you good? Thank you for having me. It's going
Speaker 7: to be interesting and quite a I'm quite interested to
Speaker 7: hear from the people who've been consuming this content because,
Speaker 7: as you know, it's inder season two, so I'm actually
Speaker 7: very interested to hear how those who've listened to season
Speaker 7: one and where your allegiances are. And I'm actually very
Speaker 7: excited to hear this.
Speaker 1: And then, yeah, this is going to be good.
Speaker 7: I'm quite interested to hear from the consumers. This is great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're definitely gonna dove deepot on it. If you
Speaker 3: don't know, Private Affairs of an award winning romantic drama
Speaker 3: deal that was written by Christine. As we just said,
Speaker 3: she describes it herself as TV for your ears pigs.
Speaker 3: Can you please summarize what you think this audio drama
Speaker 3: is all about for people who.
Speaker 5: Are living under rocks, who have who have not less
Speaker 5: how discovered it already.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Private Affairs follows the story, well, at least
Speaker 4: it starts off following v who is a recent transplant
Speaker 4: to Melbourne, Australia, and she meets a very charming and
Speaker 4: dashing sixty ussy doctor and they begin their relationship. It's
Speaker 4: an intercultural, interracial relationship. And she's helped along on that
Speaker 4: journey by her newly married cousin Matty and who's married
Speaker 4: to Tondy, as well as her smooth talking b if
Speaker 4: if Teff, who is problematic but very likable as well.
Speaker 4: So yeah, basically in a Nutchell, it's about dating and
Speaker 4: relationships across cultures.
Speaker 5: And you know, if I can ask what inspired you
Speaker 5: to do this drama this drama d romantic drama dy
Speaker 5: as a podcast, like your thought process and what led
Speaker 5: to that?
Speaker 4: So the story started out as a blog. So it
Speaker 4: started out as a factual like memoir blog. And my
Speaker 4: sister was one who was like, okay, why don't you
Speaker 4: turn it into a podcast, because by then I was
Speaker 4: obsessed with podcasts.
Speaker 8: I really wanted to make another.
Speaker 4: Podcast because my sister and I were doing a podcast together,
Speaker 4: but we you know, we wrap that up, but I
Speaker 4: wanted to continue on making stuff. So she gave me
Speaker 4: the idea of adapting the blog into a podcast. So
Speaker 4: there was one story from the blog that was really
Speaker 4: that just like never left me, you know, like you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes you have those ideas, they just kind of stick
Speaker 4: with you no matter what you do, it just kind
Speaker 4: of sticks with you. So yeah, so that's kind of
Speaker 4: like where it came from initially, and it continued to evolve.
Speaker 4: So it started off as factual memoir and then it
Speaker 4: eventually evolved into a full cost audio drama's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, shout out to your sister though, for
Speaker 5: inspiring you to turn it into a podcast. Shout out
Speaker 5: to the people in your circle, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 5: you always need the people around you to encourage you
Speaker 5: sometimes to put push forward when you are like, oh
Speaker 5: I don't know or I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, definitely, And I definitely was quite you know,
Speaker 4: resistant to the idea initially because I like, who wants
Speaker 4: to listen to that?
Speaker 8: Like that's boring? And look at you now here we are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, eleven episodes, it's wild, it's great.
Speaker 3: Ron, What do you think has been the most enlightening
Speaker 3: part of playing Luke? You've obviously played other characters before,
Speaker 3: and you've had a lot of experience as a voice actor. Yes,
Speaker 3: I google. What's the most enlightening part of playing Luke?
Speaker 10: Well, to start off, just being a part of this,
Speaker 10: of this show. I mean, I've been acting my whole life,
Speaker 10: but voice acting, I've always it's always kind of.
Speaker 1: Been in the background. And I really really love what
Speaker 1: an actor can do with the voice.
Speaker 10: You know, you can play so many different characters because
Speaker 10: of animation or podcasts now and just being a part
Speaker 10: of this and seeing the evolution of Luke even actually,
Speaker 10: you know, let's start from the very beginning, even from
Speaker 10: the beginning with Christine of even being at her apartment
Speaker 10: and recording that, you know, just from the bedroom, and
Speaker 10: then that's the level it was at. You know, it
Speaker 10: was so green, it was so sticks and stones. And
Speaker 10: then from season one, having such a nice fan base,
Speaker 10: so many people just latching onto this, enjoying this obviously
Speaker 10: because the writing is just so natural and so easy.
Speaker 1: It's such a such a gift for an actor to
Speaker 1: read writings that's quite real.
Speaker 10: It was very easy to read and it looked very real,
Speaker 10: and it was very easy to I guess, perform, especially
Speaker 10: with Rati who's a natural and Christine, who's so lovely
Speaker 10: and warm on set. I guess it was just so
Speaker 10: much fun from going from season one to season two,
Speaker 10: being in now a studio, and yeah, I just loved
Speaker 10: I didn't necessarily I like Luke, but I just loved
Speaker 10: the entirety of just just everything, being able to perform
Speaker 10: with everyone again because I had such a blast in
Speaker 10: season one, and then season two really up the game.
Speaker 10: We introduced Garrett and Simba and everyone else, and I
Speaker 10: guess just that without standing corny and cliche, I think
Speaker 10: taking it to the next level was super enjoyable and
Speaker 10: being able to perform again.
Speaker 5: The way it's written, it's so natural, so it feels
Speaker 5: like you are in it with you and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I can I can see this happening, or I know
Speaker 5: that person, or I know the feeling, or I've had
Speaker 5: those conversations, or I can imagine having those conversations. So
Speaker 5: I totally get that. And do you feel like Luke
Speaker 5: is misunderstood as a character, because I'm sure you've gotten
Speaker 5: some level of team Luke team Taff you know kind
Speaker 5: of we saw that play out quite a bit in
Speaker 5: season two because I mean, no spoilers something, you know,
Speaker 5: just there was a bit of a you know, you
Speaker 5: could see them kind of trying to up one each other,
Speaker 5: and there is a bit of that team Luke team Taff.
Speaker 5: And do you feel like Lukes misunderstood and if so,
Speaker 5: what way for.
Speaker 10: The bankrobery scene and the paragliding I gets crazy, You're told.
Speaker 1: I think every character is misunderstood.
Speaker 10: I think the reason why this writer the writing is
Speaker 10: so good is because every characters so many flaws. You know,
Speaker 10: V is so up and down, up and down. Same
Speaker 10: thing with Luke, same thing with every character. So it
Speaker 10: really depends. Like I like the fact that Luke is divided.
Speaker 10: Every character is divided. You know, as soon as one
Speaker 10: character is likable throughout, that's just boring. It's boring writing,
Speaker 10: you know, because each character has so many different ups
Speaker 10: and downs, and you're like, oh, Luke did this term
Speaker 10: and then Luke was like yeah, it's good, and then
Speaker 10: V died this Darren and then Lie. That's what creates,
Speaker 10: you know, That's like it's like life. You know, you
Speaker 10: can look back at yourself. You know, I'm I'm a
Speaker 10: fifty eight year old man. Now no I'm twenty seven,
Speaker 10: and I look I look back at like all the
Speaker 10: shit that I did when I was twenty twenty one,
Speaker 10: and I'm like, I was such an idiot. And then
Speaker 10: I look back and there were some things that I
Speaker 10: really liked when I was twenty twenty one. And that's
Speaker 10: the beauty with the writing. It's up and down, up
Speaker 10: and down, and it flows beautifully. So to answer your question,
Speaker 10: I like that, Luke is you know there's I think
Speaker 10: every character to fifty to fifty. I was listening to
Speaker 10: the podcast again today and I was like, damn, it
Speaker 10: looks such an idiot, and then it's like, looks okay,
Speaker 10: and then much is this and yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 10: beautiful balance.
Speaker 3: It's good that you brought up Mattie because I think
Speaker 3: she was a polarizing character this season. We thought she
Speaker 3: was bestie in season one and then season two.
Speaker 9: What like you, Matti?
Speaker 3: Like yeah, we felt like you really as a character
Speaker 3: gave us so much energy. How exciting was it for
Speaker 3: you at SUNGI to get to know MATCHI not just
Speaker 3: being a bestie like you were in season one, but
Speaker 3: see more flaws and nuance to your character.
Speaker 6: It was a really interesting process for me because it
Speaker 6: felt like I got to know a version of myself
Speaker 6: where because I left Zim when I was seven and
Speaker 6: then moved to England and then moved here. I get
Speaker 6: to live a different life to maybe my cousins who
Speaker 6: are still there, or maybe my cousins who have are
Speaker 6: still set in the same exact traditional ways. I feel
Speaker 6: like I live a more liberated, care free and you
Speaker 6: can uphold traditions and be liberated, of course, but I
Speaker 6: feel like Mutti is still working under the pressures of
Speaker 6: her family and now Tonda's family too, and I feel
Speaker 6: like there's a parallel universe where that is my life.
Speaker 6: So it was really interesting getting to live through Mutsy
Speaker 6: and experience the challenges that she's having as this newly
Speaker 6: married woman.
Speaker 2: I'm not at that.
Speaker 6: Stage in my life, so it was kind of kind
Speaker 6: of seeing what life could be like one day in
Speaker 6: that experience. So it's so strange when you get a
Speaker 6: character like that that's going through things that you aren't
Speaker 6: going through and you haven't gone through, and having compassion
Speaker 6: and not putting your own views on it because that's
Speaker 6: her life, that's her journey, and that's her circumstances, and
Speaker 6: she's working with with what she has and she's so
Speaker 6: strong within it too.
Speaker 2: So you learn from them too.
Speaker 5: For sure, And I think you played her so beautifully,
Speaker 5: showing as Ron alluded to the flaws in each character
Speaker 5: that Christine wrote so well, and you all embodied really
Speaker 5: well and one of the very And this is about
Speaker 5: to be a spoiler. If you have not listened to
Speaker 5: Private affilase here and go back.
Speaker 3: What are you doing on this episode?
Speaker 5: Please okay listen because we're about to do some spoilers.
Speaker 5: But what were your thoughts as a character about Matty
Speaker 5: cheating on ton.
Speaker 3: Be with haf And you know, I.
Speaker 5: Think you really just blew up in this season in
Speaker 5: terms of like we got to see you shine through
Speaker 5: and I remember I remember when Insecure came out and
Speaker 5: Molly became a quote unquote problematic character and people had
Speaker 5: a lot to say. I really think that the season
Speaker 5: really spotlighted you in a different light. So to ask
Speaker 5: the question again, what were your thoughts as a character
Speaker 5: about Matty cheating on with Chav Like, Okay, yeah, that
Speaker 5: experience like playing or you know, embodying that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean in real life obviously I don't condone cheating,
Speaker 6: but in her circumstances, I felt the way that I
Speaker 6: empathized with her was knowing that she's lived a very
Speaker 6: step by step life, school, marriage, now pursuing kids, and
Speaker 6: I feel like she has so much repressed, So much
Speaker 6: of her personality has been repressed, so much of her
Speaker 6: experience in life has been repressed. And obviously she hasn't
Speaker 6: pursued those interests in the most ethical way. But I
Speaker 6: feel so many women who've jumped straight into marriage and
Speaker 6: maybe had the pressure of their culture, can't explore themselves.
Speaker 6: She's never explored herself sexually, she's never explored herself outside
Speaker 6: of this relationship, and it was just that boiling point
Speaker 6: and she's put in this vulnerable moment and done things
Speaker 6: that she isn't proud of. But it's like she's she's
Speaker 6: becoming a woman and potentially now a mother, but she's
Speaker 6: still got this teenage cubucent energy about her where she
Speaker 6: hasn't fully found herself.
Speaker 5: She's ready to live well, she wants to explore and
Speaker 5: live a bit more than she's been allowed to given herself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're definitely right when you say that, because when
Speaker 3: you guys are in Thailand, Okay, I'm saying you guys
Speaker 3: were the characters were in Thailand argument with Tonda, you
Speaker 3: were like, no, if this you came here to party, like,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to chase after him. I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: Which really was you choosing you? Is how we saw
Speaker 3: it as fans. So when you're hearing you say that,
Speaker 3: it does loop in that Yeah, that rebellious energy a
Speaker 3: bit like it's about me now. So yeah, really good
Speaker 3: to hear you say that, Gary Kay, welcome. How has
Speaker 3: it been joining the Cat for the second season? Did
Speaker 3: you just like slip straight in or how did it
Speaker 3: feel for you?
Speaker 7: The context that most people don't have is I always believe,
Speaker 7: like the reason I love acting so much is it
Speaker 7: allows you to have perspective and scope of if you
Speaker 7: if you choose, if you believe in the art, helps
Speaker 7: you speak by myself, it helps me grow as a person.
Speaker 7: So coming from Zimbabwe's we all know I was never
Speaker 7: supported and aspiring to be an actor, like everyone knew it,
Speaker 7: Like everyone who saw me as a kid. It was
Speaker 7: like bruh, you need this chill, you know, like all
Speaker 7: those all those things which which which which lived in
Speaker 7: me or probably were so present when I came to
Speaker 7: Uni and I told my family, you know, I want
Speaker 7: to do acting. I was not the That was not
Speaker 7: what my family back on was trying to hear. It
Speaker 7: was very no, no, true, but that I would do
Speaker 7: it not to green one angle, like you know, it's
Speaker 7: it's one of those things where you don't get support.
Speaker 7: And why I'm giving you that context is I didn't
Speaker 7: actually stepped away from acting for about three years, and
Speaker 7: a friend of mine told me about the podcast because
Speaker 7: I was getting that itch, that creative itch, and he said,
Speaker 7: you know, Christine's got think called private affairs. I literally
Speaker 7: called Christine the night after shit closed auditions, so I
Speaker 7: actually wasn't yeah BMT yeah. So hence hen's why I said,
Speaker 7: I'll give you proper context is in my journey to
Speaker 7: here and why this has been so special, it's been
Speaker 7: so fun. I called her. My wife was out. I
Speaker 7: was babysitting two kids and trying to convince this lady
Speaker 7: I need an audition. Kids are crying. She's like, dude,
Speaker 7: can you organize yourself? So she then gives me a shot.
Speaker 7: She's like, you know what, Sunday, let's do the audition.
Speaker 7: She shows me two characters. Tondy automatically has so much.
Speaker 7: He has so much for me, I call it traumatic
Speaker 7: events or he has so much life here, has so
Speaker 7: many flaws here, so many challenges, complexes, Like there's just
Speaker 7: so many layers there. I'm like, okay, that is so
Speaker 7: jumping out and PJ is Pj's interesting. Reminds me of
Speaker 7: certain people that I knew, and I was like, I
Speaker 7: could do that, but you know, it was Tondy that
Speaker 7: jumped out of me. Sin gave me the opportunity. And
Speaker 7: why it's been so great as like you said before,
Speaker 7: the way she wrote it, like the way I got
Speaker 7: to read the story and got to see the development
Speaker 7: of the content. It's just this is massall, Like it's
Speaker 7: so easy to be part of it because the way
Speaker 7: it's written, you're not struggling so much, Like you just
Speaker 7: have to trust the words. You just have to be present,
Speaker 7: like if you're present with your partner. And it's great
Speaker 7: to have Christine there present because she knows what she's
Speaker 7: trying to create. So to answer your question, it's been
Speaker 7: easy stepping into it because for me, I've had this support. Also,
Speaker 7: remember I'm coming in season two, so I ain't got
Speaker 7: the pressure of one like I'm coming in and Johndy's
Speaker 7: a bad guy anyway perception, so I can come in
Speaker 7: at whatever, you know, at whatever, and the family was great.
Speaker 7: So it's been fantastic coming back into it, finding something
Speaker 7: that has pulled me back to something. I love working
Speaker 7: with Christine and the team and just being an environment
Speaker 7: where it was so easy to work and it was
Speaker 7: so much fun. So it's been great, it's been it's
Speaker 7: been amazing.
Speaker 5: That's so dope, and kudos to you just your story.
Speaker 5: And I think, again, this is why we do our podcast,
Speaker 5: sharing the you know, these desires we have as people,
Speaker 5: and I think people of our background most of us here,
Speaker 5: I Wasimbabwean and and knowing the journey of trying to
Speaker 5: do something that's out of sort of the scope that
Speaker 5: we've grown up knowing and so so inspiring. Garta, I really,
Speaker 5: I really appreciate that. And even Christine's own story, you know,
Speaker 5: personal journey into becoming a creator. I think it's very interesting.
Speaker 5: Maybe we can touch on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so like okay, so spoiler okay, So the character
Speaker 4: I borrow a lot of emotions from like my real life,
Speaker 4: and I inforced.
Speaker 8: That I infuse that into the story.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's fictional, but it's you know, the the
Speaker 4: emotions are very true, so to speak. So in season too,
Speaker 4: we learn a lot about like how we feels about work.
Speaker 4: You know. I had a very similar situation where I
Speaker 4: was quite you know, depressed about what I was doing
Speaker 4: with work and feeling lost in life really, so I
Speaker 4: started writing really as a creative outlet, and that was
Speaker 4: just the beginning process, writing blog posts, and then that
Speaker 4: evolved into contributing to a magazine, Madame Noir in the
Speaker 4: US really like that, but you know, the pressure of
Speaker 4: writing weekly was just like getting to me.
Speaker 8: And I also didn't like how.
Speaker 4: Like writing for magazine or sort of changing the type
Speaker 4: of content that I was writing. So I first started
Speaker 4: off writing personal essays, but then I started writing more
Speaker 4: think pieces, which is great because it became like the
Speaker 4: foundation of like the research that I was doing for
Speaker 4: season one, but I wanted to go back to writing
Speaker 4: more personal stories as so then that's when, you know,
Speaker 4: I got into exploring more topics with my sister in
Speaker 4: a podcast format, like similar to what you guys do,
Speaker 4: and then that evolved into radio music curation, you know,
Speaker 4: and then finally came back to writing with this podcast
Speaker 4: and really going in with fiction, you know, the fictional
Speaker 4: aspect of it and like really trying to build out
Speaker 4: a world and thinking to myself, like, Okay, what would
Speaker 4: have happened if this had happened instead of like what
Speaker 4: actually happened in life? Because honestly, my life is not
Speaker 4: that interesting, So you gotta infuse Ron's looking at me
Speaker 4: like my.
Speaker 5: Life a movie, trying your life to know I get you.
Speaker 4: No, for real, Like there were times like when we
Speaker 4: were recording and Ron I was like, is this real?
Speaker 8: Like it doesn't matter if it's real.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 3: The biography, No it is.
Speaker 5: It's not exactly creative license. That's like you so much
Speaker 5: for sharing. I just thought those stories kind of really
Speaker 5: tied into each other and just like the journey of
Speaker 5: constantly seeking to find yourself and explore yourself and coming
Speaker 5: back to you, can.
Speaker 7: I just say something from me just on that, just
Speaker 7: while you're there. It's one of the things. So like
Speaker 7: I said, Christine's got to learn about me really quickly
Speaker 7: in short space, because she'll tell you this. I call
Speaker 7: all the time, and I'm like, dude, I need people
Speaker 7: like you to be celebrated and you need to keep
Speaker 7: doing what you're doing. I'm like, I'm not letting you
Speaker 7: stop doing it, Like I don't know how often I
Speaker 7: call it. She'll tell you, like if you look at
Speaker 7: her phone, it's so I'll just message around.
Speaker 3: Sorry I didn't back.
Speaker 7: You see. But to the point of what, like what
Speaker 7: you're talking about, like, it's so we should you know,
Speaker 7: celebrate it and we should same to you guys as well,
Speaker 7: like in terms of how much work you've put in
Speaker 7: the tenure, like the podcast you know, congratulations because it's
Speaker 7: not it's it's it's it's not the obvious course, and
Speaker 7: there is such a beauty behind sharing and creativity and
Speaker 7: you know what you have to what you have to
Speaker 7: give and being that vulnerable because I always say vulnerability
Speaker 7: is a purest currency. You can be vulnerable, I can
Speaker 7: be vulnerable. We can have the greatest connection, or we
Speaker 7: can achieve so much or bridge so much within that space.
Speaker 7: But it takes a lot. So that's why I champion
Speaker 7: people like this or the work you do, because it inspires.
Speaker 4: And what's like for you know, absolutely absolutely and shoot
Speaker 4: your shots.
Speaker 5: Start sliding it to DMS and all, yeah, but shoot
Speaker 5: your shot for sure. Coming back to you, do you
Speaker 5: think your character toun day is under societal pressure, hence
Speaker 5: the keenness to have kids because we see, you know,
Speaker 5: in this season, it's a lot about that conversation between
Speaker 5: Tonday and Mate around having Children's.
Speaker 7: A good question like when I when I look at
Speaker 7: Tondy and to Tundy today, Yeah, tunder eye, and when
Speaker 7: I look at thunder Ie you equantum, thank you. I
Speaker 7: think that ultimately he has so many flaws and challenges
Speaker 7: which he is struggling with himself. There's family pressure, there's
Speaker 7: personal pressure, There's there's words he says, you know, always
Speaker 7: he keeps talking about your embarrassing me. You know, he
Speaker 7: keeps referring to this whole you know, how long are
Speaker 7: you going to make me? Or you'll be making a
Speaker 7: fool of me? He does have an image perception. There
Speaker 7: is there is a strong presence of internal battles for
Speaker 7: Tundy about how he's perceived. But I think a lot
Speaker 7: of that's got to do with it's internal, really, and
Speaker 7: the external is probably how I get to express it
Speaker 7: or how I get to how I get to how
Speaker 7: it manifests, I guess, But it's internal a lot of it.
Speaker 7: So it's kind of it's kind of like it all
Speaker 7: collides into into one world. But it's mainly internal I feel,
Speaker 7: and then the external stuff is this noise, and the
Speaker 7: noise doesn't allow him time to process the internal. So
Speaker 7: with that added context, that's why he's so erratical. That's
Speaker 7: why you know he can be so sweet and so loving,
Speaker 7: Like there's there's always struggle, is tension, and then there's
Speaker 7: also like and then there's also you know, no tension,
Speaker 7: so it's a constant battle. I think. I don't know
Speaker 7: if that answers your question.
Speaker 5: No, it does, and and I like how you you
Speaker 5: mentioned that the internal sort of turmoil or whatever he's
Speaker 5: going through because of the societal noise, he can't even
Speaker 5: work that out for himself. So that's an interesting, interesting
Speaker 5: take on to thank you.
Speaker 3: This season, we did see it what we deemed a
Speaker 3: fan seeing it turn into more darker themes, obviously addressing
Speaker 3: mental health, domestic violence, sexual assault, you know, or even
Speaker 3: just the drama you face in the workplace, you know,
Speaker 3: And we just want to ask kicks, you know, what,
Speaker 3: was it intentional they should this season be a little
Speaker 3: bit darker in that way, and if so, for each
Speaker 3: of the characters, how did you guys see that elevation
Speaker 3: in terms of your performance to convey that correctly and accurately.
Speaker 10: Hm.
Speaker 8: Intentional.
Speaker 4: That's an interesting word, because I feel like my writing
Speaker 4: process is a little bit.
Speaker 8: How can I explain it.
Speaker 4: It's it's an organic process, and it's sort of like
Speaker 4: I call it like dancing with God in the sense
Speaker 4: of like if you've ever done partner dancing, you know,
Speaker 4: and you're the follower, you're supposed to, Yeah, you need
Speaker 4: to move your body. You need to like, you know,
Speaker 4: know how to do the basic dance moves.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 4: So that's understanding story structure. That's understanding you know, doing
Speaker 4: your research all of that stuff.
Speaker 8: You need to have the basics down.
Speaker 4: But really I'm taking cues from the muse, the.
Speaker 8: Universe, you know.
Speaker 4: I'm just listening to whatever comes into my head, you know.
Speaker 4: So the process of writing actually was like it took
Speaker 4: It's hard for me to actually say how long it
Speaker 4: took for me to write the script, because for a
Speaker 4: period of like six months, I was just I had
Speaker 4: like a notebook where I was just writing down random
Speaker 4: lines of dialogue, like something would just pop into my head.
Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, let me write that down. I don't
Speaker 4: know who's going to say that. Sometimes I didn't know
Speaker 4: which character was going to say it, but I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: somehow this is going to maybe manifest into something. So anyway,
Speaker 4: so after that, I had like a huge pile of
Speaker 4: like random things that I then started to organize, you know,
Speaker 4: into like a story.
Speaker 8: Structure almost like thing.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it kind of happened organically, and even I
Speaker 4: had doubts about the direction that the story was going in,
Speaker 4: you know, because I was like, you know, this is
Speaker 4: quite risky because it is darker than season one. I
Speaker 4: was really concerned that are people going to vibe with
Speaker 4: it still because people are used to one thing and
Speaker 4: now we're taking a sharp turn, you know, into drama.
Speaker 4: But I really just had to trust the source and
Speaker 4: follow the journey. Yeah so intentional, I guess so. But
Speaker 4: I do think that it was a good lesson for
Speaker 4: me as well when it came down to actually producing it,
Speaker 4: because I learned that, yeah, drama is harder to produce
Speaker 4: in my view, Or maybe it was because I understood
Speaker 4: more of like what I was doing in terms of
Speaker 4: like the story structure and why certain characters had to
Speaker 4: come up a certain way in particular scene for the
Speaker 4: whole thing to actually make sense, which made it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think a little bit more challenging to actually execute
Speaker 4: in production as well as in post production, in editing,
Speaker 4: as well as the sound design, because the sound is
Speaker 4: doing a lot of storytelling itself.
Speaker 8: But that's my take. I don't know if the other.
Speaker 4: Guys agree with that, especially I Ron and TUNGI you
Speaker 4: guys did season one. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 4: felt the difference in terms of like the level of
Speaker 4: difficulty for your performances.
Speaker 6: I think I remember having this conversation while recording, and
Speaker 6: you were worried about the shift, and I think with
Speaker 6: it kind of does a wonderful thing, like shows like
Speaker 6: Afterlife do where you can't have the light without the dark,
Speaker 6: and a lot of great comedy shines a light on
Speaker 6: the dark. And I feel like while doing that, you
Speaker 6: bring with that vulnerability, bring in more p You've reached
Speaker 6: more people because you've been more vulnerable, and I feel
Speaker 6: like everything that you touched on helped someone heal. Like
Speaker 6: maybe they clicked on that podcast that day thinking like, yes,
Speaker 6: this is my like feel good, I'm gonna laugh, and
Speaker 6: yes they will laugh and they will have fun while
Speaker 6: listening to it. But they did acknowledge something they still
Speaker 6: need to heal through in that time. So I think
Speaker 6: it was necessary. And if something's just light all the way,
Speaker 6: it's as an actor, it's not as fulfilling like I
Speaker 6: love when you get the nitty gritty dark roles and
Speaker 6: you have to go there and explore something you've never
Speaker 6: personally explored, but knowing that there's such a greater purpose
Speaker 6: at the end of it, which is hopefully a lot
Speaker 6: of healing for a lot of people's. I loved it.
Speaker 6: It was it was just the meat. Looking at that script,
Speaker 6: I was like, this is a meal, a feast for
Speaker 6: an actor dead and run for you.
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to agree. I disagree with both of you, ladies.
Speaker 1: Actually I'm going to go again.
Speaker 7: Oh yes.
Speaker 10: The reason as to why I'm going to disagree is
Speaker 10: because I didn't find it darker. I actually found it
Speaker 10: very easy to go into season two because it flows
Speaker 10: so damn well. Because with season one it is so exciting.
Speaker 10: You know, you've got two brand new characters. It's very exciting.
Speaker 10: We're starting a new world. You know, when you're single
Speaker 10: meeting a new person, it is very exciting. The romances
Speaker 10: they're figuring out who these people are.
Speaker 1: You're not going to jump into something.
Speaker 10: You know, if you go on a date with someone
Speaker 10: and you blurt out all your insecurities and stuff like
Speaker 10: that and all your worst things.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you do, I don't know, but for me,
Speaker 1: that's a bit of a red pla. I like to
Speaker 1: enjoy the person, you know. I like to have fun.
Speaker 10: I like to be a rombunctious and while to do
Speaker 10: all these crazy things.
Speaker 1: Season one was we're exploring v and Luke and it's
Speaker 1: exciting all these new people.
Speaker 10: Season two, when they know each other, then life comes
Speaker 10: into play. The season two, that's when we start seeing,
Speaker 10: as you were saying, Sooni, the nitty gritty stuff. So
Speaker 10: I think it didn't take a darker turn. I think
Speaker 10: it just flowed really well. I think that's just what
Speaker 10: life is. You know, when you're in a long relationship
Speaker 10: with someone, you start seeing some bad things, you start
Speaker 10: seeing some good things. And again season two, sure there
Speaker 10: was some bad things and good things. But to reiterate
Speaker 10: on Christine's writing, that's just how good it is.
Speaker 1: It's up and down.
Speaker 10: If it was up the entire way we get a
Speaker 10: rehash of season one, we'd probably I don't know, if
Speaker 10: we'd lose more viewers, if we gain more viewers.
Speaker 1: For me personally, I just keep comparing it to season one.
Speaker 10: But for season two, it just naturally goes into life. Yeah,
Speaker 10: I think, very very easily. So for me, I didn't
Speaker 10: This is going to sound weird. I didn't find too
Speaker 10: much difference. It was just re entering that world physically.
Speaker 10: The only thing that was different was physically meeting Garrick
Speaker 10: and sim and being in a new room, in a
Speaker 10: new context and new equipment. But I don't care for that.
Speaker 10: It was just the work. It was just being in
Speaker 10: a room and connecting with these people.
Speaker 1: Rather, Christine, did we do that during COVID? Was that
Speaker 1: twenty twenty?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was a bust, say you guys recorded in COVID.
Speaker 1: That's wild?
Speaker 3: Yes, who knows.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it was in a little four by four kind
Speaker 10: of bedroom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it right there.
Speaker 7: I knew.
Speaker 1: I just don't remember that.
Speaker 3: It looks brighter today.
Speaker 5: Speaking of that, I think, you know, Ron, you're talking
Speaker 5: about a natural progression, and we also, you know, got
Speaker 5: to see real themes brought out, and we got to
Speaker 5: also get a lot of backstory in some of the relationships,
Speaker 5: like for v and TAFF and one of that was
Speaker 5: obviously PJ coming into the into the picture and for
Speaker 5: you got Kai. How was it playing PJ And how
Speaker 5: did you find juggling the two different characters as a
Speaker 5: voice actor And when you're seeing these two characters and
Speaker 5: you're like, okay, thanks Christine, I'm just going in all
Speaker 5: in on these you know, really conflicting characters. I think
Speaker 5: they bring out a lot of you know, emotions for
Speaker 5: the listener. How was that for you getting to to
Speaker 5: play those two roles.
Speaker 7: I have a question when you did get to consume
Speaker 7: the PJ see and can you take me back to
Speaker 7: you as a consumer?
Speaker 2: I read.
Speaker 7: Can you? Can? You know? The reason why I say
Speaker 7: this right is do you guys touch on something which
Speaker 7: is quite beautiful in terms of I love the writing
Speaker 7: in this season because it touches on so many things
Speaker 7: that people call duck and people say they're not so light.
Speaker 7: But one of the biggest issues I have is there's
Speaker 7: not enough conversations happening about this. There's just not enough
Speaker 7: conversations happening about things that and not to go entirely duck.
Speaker 7: Like I went home in February and it is a
Speaker 7: love when I was talking to people and like, suicide
Speaker 7: rate is ridiculous at the moment, you know, like there's
Speaker 7: there's real shit going on right now, but it's just
Speaker 7: not being discussed or it's just kind of it's the
Speaker 7: way it is. So that's why for me, this show,
Speaker 7: the way it does it and the way it presents
Speaker 7: these topics of that, throwing it in your face but
Speaker 7: giving you enough of it, especially if you're not exposed
Speaker 7: to it. Having said that, you will all probably have
Speaker 7: a friend who has gone through a scenario of like
Speaker 7: a PG situation or if not a friend of story
Speaker 7: you've heard what was that like for you as a
Speaker 7: as a as a viewer. Then I'll go back to
Speaker 7: your to your question. But I just wanted to know
Speaker 7: because I think it's it's one of the strongest scenes
Speaker 7: in terms of some traumatic ship that we've got to
Speaker 7: deal with. What was that was? What was that like
Speaker 7: experiencing that? Like if you can share, because that would
Speaker 7: be great, like to just understand or just hear from
Speaker 7: you me personally.
Speaker 3: Like with our podcast this, the reason we have it
Speaker 3: is to discuss things that Zimbabweans don't want to discuss,
Speaker 3: and obviously a lot of our issues. A lot of
Speaker 3: our topics I should say that we brought up this
Speaker 3: season actually aligned pretty well with what was happening on
Speaker 3: private affairs. So we're like kicks, like on.
Speaker 11: Some lethods were touching, We're touching, We're touching your coat,
Speaker 11: you know, like just because.
Speaker 3: But then it's it's funny when we spoke on domestic violence,
Speaker 3: when we spoke on mental health, the reaction and episode
Speaker 3: like that would get from listeners as opposed to talking
Speaker 3: about fashion or film or is. And I suppose that's
Speaker 3: where the word starts to come in, because it's stuff
Speaker 3: we just put in the closet, so it's hidden, it's
Speaker 3: not seen, it's not talked about. And you know when
Speaker 3: I was really proud to hear that scene, which sounds
Speaker 3: so odd to say, but I was proud because I
Speaker 3: was like, finally, in a way people can digest, in
Speaker 3: the way people can you can't listen to that episode
Speaker 3: and go hum, you know, like what a cooler moment.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to be like, guys, what did you
Speaker 3: think about PJ? You know what I mean, Like, there's
Speaker 3: no way you can. And also because of the way
Speaker 3: we were introduced to him, just in that moment and
Speaker 3: then taken like it wasn't like you can latch onto
Speaker 3: anything else. If you're gonna talk about PJ, You're gonna
Speaker 3: talk about that. It's hand in hand, which speaks to
Speaker 3: the brilliance of Kickses writing as well, because it's it's
Speaker 3: consumed in a way that feels safe and for a
Speaker 3: podcast that obviously probably has quite a number of Zimbabweans listening,
Speaker 3: it's in a way that can drive conversation. So it
Speaker 3: all just for me. I was like, proud Mama, mom
Speaker 3: and Kicks you're doing the thing and like yeah, and
Speaker 3: like I guess yeah. PJ was literally everyone has a
Speaker 3: PJ in their lives. Every female has a p which
Speaker 3: is so sad to say, but at the same time,
Speaker 3: it was like if you've not personally gone through it,
Speaker 3: you for sure have someone who's close to you who has.
Speaker 3: So it felt relatable in that way where it was like, man,
Speaker 3: this happens way too often and what do we do
Speaker 3: about it?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Absolutely, And I could relate so well to being young.
Speaker 5: I think they were teenagers, right. It's like the high
Speaker 5: school mons or going you know, and that excitement and
Speaker 5: like you're with this person and you don't really know
Speaker 5: how to process those feelings and the situation because everyone's like,
Speaker 5: oh you guys, I don't know. I could relate to
Speaker 5: being a younger me who didn't have the vocabulary or
Speaker 5: the knowledge or the ability to be like this actually
Speaker 5: wasn't okay, just kind of like feeling stuck and kind
Speaker 5: of trying to just brush it away and deal with it.
Speaker 5: I think I could relate to it in that way,
Speaker 5: like I know, you know, you know someone who's gone
Speaker 5: through that. You know, you've been in situations where it
Speaker 5: was just like that was weird, like not knowing how
Speaker 5: to deal with that. Yeah, I think you did it
Speaker 5: so beautifully because I was like, I know that position
Speaker 5: or I know that feeling in some way, shape or form,
Speaker 5: and you know, we in zimity. You know the experience
Speaker 5: as a girl of being cat called, you know the
Speaker 5: experience as a woman. You just know that you've experienced
Speaker 5: some level of male interaction that made you uncomfortable and
Speaker 5: having to do with it and just live with it.
Speaker 5: I don't know how to explain so with that on
Speaker 5: no consequence, no consequence, so living hearing that, I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: I get that, And unfortunately, in V's case, she'd been
Speaker 5: in a relationship with PJ right like they well they
Speaker 5: were together. So it's like even more complex because I
Speaker 5: know our society would be like, ah, so what did
Speaker 5: you do to for to go like this? Or you're
Speaker 5: in a relationship, this is what it is? Well what
Speaker 5: did you expect? So it was so brilliantly done.
Speaker 6: So yeah, that sentence alone, what did you expect? Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: I've heard that so many times, Right, what did you expect?
Speaker 5: Oh? If you go out, if you want to have
Speaker 5: a good time, you're calling, You're asking for it. It's
Speaker 5: almost like this, Yeah, So can I.
Speaker 4: Just say shout out to to Gary and Ratti for
Speaker 4: really yeah working that scene. There were so many elements
Speaker 4: of that scene that we like during the process, we
Speaker 4: had to kind of like break it down, you know,
Speaker 4: to to get the steps right and all so accent.
Speaker 4: You know, that's another part of it. And then yeah,
Speaker 4: you know the sound effects as well, the kissing. You know,
Speaker 4: guys editing kissing sounds to make them sound realistic.
Speaker 8: I spend a long time.
Speaker 3: Editing kissing.
Speaker 1: I made up with myself so many times.
Speaker 4: But I will say I would say Ron does some
Speaker 4: pretty good fake kissing.
Speaker 6: Sounds he's run the back talent, my party talent and
Speaker 6: high school.
Speaker 10: High school was tough for me. It was just looking
Speaker 10: in the mirror, do this, you can do this? Oh,
Speaker 10: thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4: I think it was a very tough scene and it
Speaker 4: was by far the scene that took me the longest
Speaker 4: to edit.
Speaker 8: I think it's really two weeks to edit minute scene.
Speaker 6: Yeah, having been in the room with you, I feel
Speaker 6: like you you would have made it great because you
Speaker 6: made the room safe and you're directing was really safe.
Speaker 6: So it's a difficult scene and I haven't been had
Speaker 6: to do it, but I just know that you would have.
Speaker 6: You would have made it feel less triggering in that moment.
Speaker 7: I do need to give a shout out, like like
Speaker 7: Christine was saying, to say v because a character you
Speaker 7: know what I'm talking about in terms of that scene.
Speaker 7: To go back to your question, I'm I'm nothing like him.
Speaker 7: So when I saw it, I was like, I know
Speaker 7: so many people like this. That's that's the fucked up
Speaker 7: part of it where I was like, well, I know
Speaker 7: this guy is because I've been in situations where I'm like, okay,
Speaker 7: that's just not okay. And like you said, when you
Speaker 7: were a great conversation with Christine a while back where
Speaker 7: I was talking about like being from zim and having
Speaker 7: multiple siblings, and I was explaining it to someone in
Speaker 7: Australia and they would giving me there, giving me the oh,
Speaker 7: how was that for you? You know, having you know
Speaker 7: kids from you know, outside the marriage. I'm like, you,
Speaker 7: guys have to understand, there's not an exception. This is
Speaker 7: a norm. But at the same time, but doesn't make
Speaker 7: it fine. It's one of the things that makes it complicated.
Speaker 7: Why I say, we do have traumatic issues that we
Speaker 7: don't know how to process because it's just so, hey,
Speaker 7: this is everyday business. It doesn't make you special, and
Speaker 7: it's kind of yeah, let's keep it moving. But it's like,
Speaker 7: hold on, but no one gives me a chance to
Speaker 7: explore how I feel about this. And depending on when
Speaker 7: you're told this information, you're too young to understand or
Speaker 7: to have a voice back to your parents to say, wait,
Speaker 7: I need to challenge you on that. So it's not
Speaker 7: only trauma in that sense, but you can't process it.
Speaker 7: So by the time you get to a stage you're like,
Speaker 7: but hold on, that's not okay. Well, there's so much
Speaker 7: other shit that's thrown into us. And hence why I
Speaker 7: say these characters are living people that we know or
Speaker 7: there are a context of us to some degree. PJ
Speaker 7: fortunately is not someone who I am, but like I said,
Speaker 7: I see this and I can identify with the person.
Speaker 7: And what made it easier to do was my partner
Speaker 7: in the scene was so encouraging to be like, no, bro, like,
Speaker 7: we're not we're not we're not half doing this going
Speaker 7: in like you know, like we will make him feel uncomfortable,
Speaker 7: like and it was actually empowering to do that because
Speaker 7: he's not me, so there's no there's there's no too
Speaker 7: far when you're playing a TJ, I mean a PJ,
Speaker 7: because well, I can throw anything there. It's up to
Speaker 7: Christine then to say, Okay, I got to pull it
Speaker 7: back or not pick it up. Let's go. So it's
Speaker 7: actually fun playing a PJ in that small context because
Speaker 7: you have so much should I say you have, you
Speaker 7: have so much breath to do and to express or
Speaker 7: to explore. But at the same time you have to
Speaker 7: make sure that it's it's it's within a safe and
Speaker 7: it's it's it's it's within the intent of achieving the
Speaker 7: outcome of it. And yeah, so PJ was fun because
Speaker 7: I could I know I'm not him, so I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 7: well I can play this guy. But it's also empowering
Speaker 7: then because it gives me the opportunity to hear these
Speaker 7: stories because I don't know many girls I spoke to
Speaker 7: it like that age where who went through that and
Speaker 7: I was mature enough, Like you said, everyone has that experience.
Speaker 7: I say, a tool set. I say, we don't have
Speaker 7: the tools at that time to be able to do
Speaker 7: the task, and now I have the tools to be
Speaker 7: like I can have this conversation with women because I've
Speaker 7: taken enough of this, so I've seen our process enough
Speaker 7: of this as a human being and as a person
Speaker 7: to engage with you. So I don't know if that
Speaker 7: answers the whole PJ thing, but yeah, can.
Speaker 4: I just add about the safety and why it took
Speaker 4: a long time to edit that scene is because I
Speaker 4: was also thinking about the audience, and you know, I'm
Speaker 4: very conscious of like not wanting to like, you know,
Speaker 4: retraumatize people who are victims, you know, who have been
Speaker 4: victims to sexual assaults. So I was really intentional about like, Okay,
Speaker 4: let's get the point across, but not overdo it to
Speaker 4: the point where now you're re traumatizing someone.
Speaker 3: How do you decide the characters are kicks just as
Speaker 3: we're trying starting to go into our closing from the beginning,
Speaker 3: or as each season goes, or do you have the
Speaker 3: ending in your mind already, or where is this going
Speaker 3: for you?
Speaker 8: I have no idea.
Speaker 4: It's also kind of going on a journey when I'm
Speaker 4: writing as well.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 8: There are certain things.
Speaker 4: It's sort of like, well, Shonda rhymes, because she's like
Speaker 4: my virtual mentor in my mind.
Speaker 7: She talks.
Speaker 4: She talks about like characters are like really good friends.
Speaker 4: But you know, obviously you don't know everything about a
Speaker 4: really good friend, and with time you get to know
Speaker 4: more about them. So it's kind of like that persist
Speaker 4: in season one. There were certain things that I knew
Speaker 4: so obviously, well maybe not obviously, but I was planting
Speaker 4: certain things to then pick up in season two. So
Speaker 4: I knew Matty didn't want to have a baby. She
Speaker 4: just didn't know it yet.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I knew certain things about Taff as well, and his
Speaker 4: backstory and his relationship with v that wasn't revealed in
Speaker 4: season one. Season two. Season one, I didn't even have
Speaker 4: an ending, and I organized about that for a very
Speaker 4: long time because it was like, I think it was
Speaker 4: like two weeks until production and I didn't have an ending.
Speaker 8: So that was pressure.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, season two, I had an idea of
Speaker 4: an ending.
Speaker 8: I wasn't sure if V and Luke.
Speaker 4: Well, I thought V and Luke weren't going to make
Speaker 4: it to ZIM, but I wasn't sure. So it became
Speaker 4: a task of like, Okay, let's throw things at them
Speaker 4: and write it and you know, see if the ending
Speaker 4: makes sense by the time we get to it. So yeah,
Speaker 4: so I don't really know that's the.
Speaker 1: Best answer that she just you just said, you just
Speaker 1: you don't know where it's going to go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, hearing you talk about you dance with God.
Speaker 5: I was like, wow, dig into your mind, that's excellent
Speaker 5: right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, why do you see that's the best dnswer?
Speaker 8: Why do you think that?
Speaker 10: Well, where are you going to be in the year
Speaker 10: twenty thirty five August the sixth, You know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 10: like who knows what the future is to hold?
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what this this this show is. It's
Speaker 1: just life. It's just really just good writing in life,
Speaker 1: and it's like if you.
Speaker 10: Have There are a lot of shows like there is
Speaker 10: a show in particular, it's called Breaking Bag, that little show.
Speaker 10: I think they I think they found the beginning and
Speaker 10: they found the end. I think I can't remember that's true,
Speaker 10: but I think they already had the end and then
Speaker 10: they filled all the metal pieces, which is fine, and
Speaker 10: the show became a huge, successful hit and it was wonderful.
Speaker 10: But every as you were saying, will be like like
Speaker 10: to get into the mind of an actor or an artist.
Speaker 10: It's different for every single person, and there is no
Speaker 10: right or wrong answer.
Speaker 1: Again, it sounds corny and cliche, but like I find,
Speaker 1: like math, science kind of there's always like one kind
Speaker 1: of yeah. But with arts, there's no rules. That's the
Speaker 1: exciting thing. There's literally no rules. And with Christine.
Speaker 10: You know, it's like I love that answer you having
Speaker 10: no idea because that's also so exciting and that makes
Speaker 10: me more excited for season three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
Speaker 5: I have said I am looking forward to collaborate and
Speaker 5: looking forward to seeing things on other platforms TV. I'm
Speaker 5: just putting it out there that was going to release it.
Speaker 3: You know, now what is next kicks, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Pay cinematic relays.
Speaker 7: We got this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm claiming it right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, what is next?
Speaker 4: Oh well, I take it, you know, I'm taking it
Speaker 4: one step at a time. So next thing is season three? Uh,
Speaker 4: raising funds for season three? You know, obviously I want
Speaker 4: to pay all these guys, you know, great talent. I
Speaker 4: want to be able to pay people, you know, So
Speaker 4: raising funds for a project like this does take quite
Speaker 4: some time. And audio drama fiction Immersive is one of
Speaker 4: the most expensive types of podcasts to make, which is
Speaker 4: why you don't hear a lot of them unless they're
Speaker 4: coming from other, like, you know, production studios that have
Speaker 4: a lot of money to put into it. So as
Speaker 4: an independent production, that is one of the.
Speaker 8: Biggest hurdles to cross.
Speaker 4: So but I'm you know, I have faith, you know,
Speaker 4: blind faith that we'll get there based on what I
Speaker 4: don't know, but I guess that's what faith is all about, right.
Speaker 4: But I do want to say a big shout out
Speaker 4: to the Australia Council for the Arts, Creative Victoria, the
Speaker 4: Scalon Foundation, the Jesse Cox Audio Fellowship, all the listeners
Speaker 4: who contributed to season one, Season two, because yeah, all
Speaker 4: of that really does make a huge difference in being
Speaker 4: able to create something of the quality that it is.
Speaker 4: And I think all the performances, you know, Jerry in
Speaker 4: the background doing the sound, I think everyone did such
Speaker 4: a great job. So yeah, season three coming up with
Speaker 4: the story, raising funds for it. If you want to
Speaker 4: support any listeners who are listening to this right now.
Speaker 4: If you want to support, you can donate at privatefaspod
Speaker 4: dot com, or you can also buy some merche the
Speaker 4: same place, private affairstpod dot com.
Speaker 5: Awesome. And I just wanted to say, you've mentioned dancing
Speaker 5: with God, so I don't think it's I don't think
Speaker 5: he's not gonna listen. You're in his ear already, if
Speaker 5: that makes sense. So I really that's just me being like,
Speaker 5: you know, you're already working with within that realm before.
Speaker 4: We go God. I do want to say, can I
Speaker 4: just address like, you know, people hinting at TV and stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't want to act like I don't hear it,
Speaker 4: you know, Yeah, it's just like whatever, girl, No, I
Speaker 4: mean I see the comments all the time. Yeah, let's
Speaker 4: let's say like, yeah, I am looking at trying to
Speaker 4: also have conversations around that. But you know, you guys
Speaker 4: know you've been in the industry. Some things take off,
Speaker 4: some things don't. So we'll see where it goes. But
Speaker 4: no matter what happens, season three is I'm striving to
Speaker 4: make like I need to get the story out, so
Speaker 4: it's going to come out one way or another.
Speaker 5: So there is a story. We just got the full
Speaker 5: one one the story, and season three we don't want
Speaker 5: to wait on Netflix.
Speaker 8: Yes, it's not ready, it's not it is, but the.
Speaker 9: Story is there.
Speaker 5: But you know, so we are ready look forward.
Speaker 7: To Can I ask one Can I ask one question quickly? Sure?
Speaker 7: When you guys were listening when I read this script
Speaker 7: and I saw this bluetooth a little situation now, I
Speaker 7: was like this Bluetooth. I was like this bluetooth you,
Speaker 7: I'm like, wow, we've been talking about freaking seat and
Speaker 7: so I just want to know when you guys were
Speaker 7: listening as the audience when the bluetooth scene came up,
Speaker 7: did you kind of think interesting? What what? What? Yeah?
Speaker 7: How was that for you? Because as soon as I
Speaker 7: read it, I was like, your fam bluetooth business? What
Speaker 7: was that for you? Guys? Like when you when you
Speaker 7: when you.
Speaker 5: Heard it please remind me. The bluetooth scene is this
Speaker 5: when Taff was in.
Speaker 11: The car, forget me, let me, let me tell the forward.
Speaker 11: What Okay, it'd be great to take a shower, and
Speaker 11: then Luke is like.
Speaker 3: And then like playing the voice for the thousand time
Speaker 3: because we know she'd been playing that since and then silence.
Speaker 9: Yeah in the living room voice recount, that's what.
Speaker 5: You mean by bluetooth, okay, And I understood. Okay, I'm
Speaker 5: with you. I'm with you, my bad, my bad.
Speaker 7: I because because because like when the script was there
Speaker 7: right and I'm reading it and the first piece happens,
Speaker 7: like with the bluetooth scene, like, oh, what's the game
Speaker 7: on my bluetooth? I was like that bluetooth bullshit is
Speaker 7: coming back to find someone. I'm like that that bullshit
Speaker 7: right there, that is not too random just to just
Speaker 7: just appear like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah, no, no fan, when I listen, well,
Speaker 5: I don't know, Manda, if you want to go first,
Speaker 5: no you go. When I that scene, I was like,
Speaker 5: Sins has had this thing on repeat and now she's
Speaker 5: trying to be like just my bluetoo number one, And
Speaker 5: I think it was for me. I was like, what
Speaker 5: was she trying to? What is she trying to discover
Speaker 5: or understand from listening to this voice note over and
Speaker 5: over again, Like she's running and she's listening to TAP's voice.
Speaker 5: I'm like, personally, when I run, I need me some music.
Speaker 5: I don't listening to random voice notes from voicemails from
Speaker 5: nobody from No, let's start there. And then so I'm like,
Speaker 5: what is she trying to and is it reparations for
Speaker 5: what Luke did? Like she's trying to be like, oh,
Speaker 5: but I've got my own you know something they're not.
Speaker 5: Do you understand? Like my brain was like maybe that
Speaker 5: was her thought process and then hey, yeah, then the scene.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, I completely understand why Luke would
Speaker 5: have questions because I'm like, but why you didn't? Why
Speaker 5: are you listening to this?
Speaker 3: And why look? Let that one goes so easy?
Speaker 5: You just like no, I'm like, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, this
Speaker 5: means you're been listening to Itture.
Speaker 3: Zimbabwe with your back.
Speaker 5: Nope, That's how I took it. I don't know if
Speaker 5: it answers your question.
Speaker 7: I just had made that It's so good just to
Speaker 7: see you guys. So Animated because like, I got so
Speaker 7: many friends who were talking to me about their experiences,
Speaker 7: and Christine told me about the bedroom scene, the fight
Speaker 7: that I have with with with with Sunji, and so
Speaker 7: many people have been calling me to be like dude
Speaker 7: when that ship went down, man, because aside, you're with
Speaker 7: her with me like it's yo, it's it's play divisions
Speaker 7: like are you are you team A? I'm not ready?
Speaker 7: Are you team You're taking me for a fool? What
Speaker 7: the fuck you? It's it's it's interesting. It's good to see.
Speaker 3: I will say Kicks is writing and you guys's performances
Speaker 3: evoke things in us as listeners. And I don't know
Speaker 3: if you guys need feedback or not, but like, really,
Speaker 3: hats off to you because we we we obviously embody
Speaker 3: these people as if we're like and like Kicks has
Speaker 3: always said TV for your ears, and I think that's
Speaker 3: always stayed with me because I'm like, I'm picturing it.
Speaker 3: I'm like I'm there with them and what's going on,
Speaker 3: and and that just speaks to your talent all of you.
Speaker 3: So flowers like the biggest bouquet of flowers to you,
Speaker 3: and that's why you want to do this podcast episode
Speaker 3: with you as well, just to also to take a
Speaker 3: moment to acknowledge all the hard work that's gone into this.
Speaker 3: It's not being a creative is It's not an easy feat.
Speaker 3: You know, we're talking about mats and everything as an answer,
Speaker 3: but there's also an uncertainty that can come with creativity
Speaker 3: as well. But when you guys hit the nail on
Speaker 3: their head with this, it's just take a moment to
Speaker 3: also patch yourselves on the back. We are on this
Speaker 3: ride with you, and we are very very happy for
Speaker 3: all the content that we're getting. Trust me, I can
Speaker 3: listen back to season one over and over again. That
Speaker 3: also speaks because as consumers right now, we consume them
Speaker 3: with discard. So for us to be able to still
Speaker 3: go back and listen and still enjoy it as if
Speaker 3: I've never heard it and still recommend it and still
Speaker 3: share it and still speaks to the talent that we
Speaker 3: you guys deserve to get all the flowers.
Speaker 5: So agree. I'd be in the shower and I'm like
Speaker 5: wait what hold pause, and like I will never forget this.
Speaker 5: One day, I think I was in the shower and
Speaker 5: then and listening and my husband was like, what's going
Speaker 5: on because I'll be like comment, I'm like, oh no,
Speaker 5: you can't help it. I'm like, oh nah, girl, MATI
Speaker 5: like literally, that'd be me too.
Speaker 10: Starts hearing four voices come from the show, and then.
Speaker 4: It's well on the morning, listener said something sent through
Speaker 4: something The d MS people DM a lot they don't
Speaker 4: like to share publicly, but this listener said something really funny. Yeah,
Speaker 4: she said that season finale made me stop in my
Speaker 4: tracks in the middle of Walmart.
Speaker 3: Oh mg G.
Speaker 2: Yeah and Walmart.
Speaker 6: It's so, I know, it's like it's worldwide, but you
Speaker 6: just think our voices are in someone's ear is in America?
Speaker 3: Like what exactly exactly? Why do you guys think that's so?
Speaker 3: Why do you think everyone's like latched onto this?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 3: How does it read back to you guys? Why do
Speaker 3: you think it's such an important story to tell.
Speaker 6: It's just it's Christine's beautiful mind. Honestly, it's just the
Speaker 6: way you did it. Like when we get the scripts.
Speaker 6: I don't know about you guys, but I read it
Speaker 6: and I'm like, what's going to happen? Like I'm I'm a.
Speaker 2: Fan while reading it, and then I'm like, Okay.
Speaker 10: Yeah, as an actor when you're reading it for the
Speaker 10: first time, I guess the first people to get to
Speaker 10: see it are the actors, right, So when we're reading it,
Speaker 10: it's just like reading a good books, the same thing.
Speaker 7: When I read it, I was disappointed because I'm the
Speaker 7: only one who doesn't have sex. Just so clear everybody
Speaker 7: else is having a good time.
Speaker 5: But so literally.
Speaker 7: But no, to be serious, you asked a good question,
Speaker 7: and I think it goes back to the point I
Speaker 7: said before, is in I think we all identify with
Speaker 7: the characters because of things that we will because our
Speaker 7: audience is global, Like everyone who listens to this would
Speaker 7: probably be part of the diaspora family who will recommend it.
Speaker 7: And then what it then does is it allows other
Speaker 7: people to learn and share about cultural differences or context
Speaker 7: they're not aware of. So I think we all identify
Speaker 7: with someone or everyone within this and that's the beautiful
Speaker 7: work of the creativity of the content.
Speaker 6: Even like to read it being Shonglish, like it's like
Speaker 6: someone in the Spanish community will listen to it and
Speaker 6: think about how they incorporate their language into like everyday
Speaker 6: language and their jokes and slang too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually got another listener send then a note
Speaker 4: about the language, and they said, oh, I love that
Speaker 4: you put the language in there.
Speaker 8: It makes me, makes it feel real.
Speaker 4: So I think people, well, I think people like listening
Speaker 4: to it, even though you know, the audiences is actually
Speaker 4: quite diverse. It's not just you know, black people. It's
Speaker 4: not just Zimbabweans. It really is. When I look at
Speaker 4: the analytics, it really is across the world. Mostly women,
Speaker 4: but definitely people of all different cultures and backgrounds listen
Speaker 4: to it. And I think it's because it's human stories,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I think there's a level
Speaker 4: of relatability even if you haven't you're not from the
Speaker 4: specific background.
Speaker 8: I think you know.
Speaker 4: What I try to do is write things that are
Speaker 4: emotionally true, so I think people can tap into that.
Speaker 7: It's a super power. The character is actually last thing
Speaker 7: I'll say, because you asked me about playing PG and Tony,
Speaker 7: if you notice the difference of Tondy and PJ. TONI
Speaker 7: speaks more Shana, specifically to being allowed to have that,
Speaker 7: which is great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's wonderful. Before we wrap up and close, we
Speaker 5: just I guess would ask you any parting words for
Speaker 5: anyone aspiring to be within the creative industry, a voice
Speaker 5: action actor, right, just any last words, would go around
Speaker 5: and if you can share anything that you would like
Speaker 5: to share with our audiences who are like you know
Speaker 5: what I did want to do that X y Z,
Speaker 5: and I kind of put it on the back burner.
Speaker 5: And you know there's no space or time or I'm
Speaker 5: too old or I'm too you know that all these
Speaker 5: things that we tell ourselves to justify why we can
Speaker 5: or cannot do something. So maybe if we just go around.
Speaker 5: I would like to start maybe with Ron Daddy, So hey,
Speaker 5: look at me just calling you guys like right, I
Speaker 5: know you.
Speaker 3: People, I know everybody now I'm just like.
Speaker 5: I'm like you and Shunghi and then Christine to round
Speaker 5: us off.
Speaker 1: So Ron, where to start? Well, Christine, where did you start?
Speaker 10: What's behind you?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Literally where to start?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 10: But it's so funny. We all have iPhones, we all
Speaker 10: have microphone. It's it sounds hard, but all of the
Speaker 10: ideas are still are right here. You know you have
Speaker 10: an idea, go for it seriously, right, it may not
Speaker 10: come today. Have a little book, as Christine said, have
Speaker 10: a little book and just write down little things every day.
Speaker 10: Don't have expectations after six months if you do that
Speaker 10: every day, if you skip out on some weeks so
Speaker 10: that your book will be full and you'll have all
Speaker 10: this amazing, beautiful information and then goes to the next step.
Speaker 1: So don't have expectations of I want to do this, now,
Speaker 1: I want to do this, then I want to do this.
Speaker 1: It's all it's all very baby steps. Enjoy the process.
Speaker 1: You have fun.
Speaker 10: A lot of people forget to have fun, you know.
Speaker 10: I think I think we all we all have it
Speaker 10: in us. Every single human on this planet has art
Speaker 10: in them. We all have a favorite movie.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 10: Art is what from the very beginning of when humans
Speaker 10: first existed. You know, art, art is there. It's it's
Speaker 10: around us everything. So whether it be a short film,
Speaker 10: whether it be writing, whether it be music. Start.
Speaker 1: You know, it is possible. It's not impossible.
Speaker 10: And I've been on so many projects where I was
Speaker 10: on a TV show where we where none of the
Speaker 10: actors got paid. We did it because we enjoyed it.
Speaker 10: And that was that was green, that was very similar
Speaker 10: to Private Affairs. It was bare bones and then it
Speaker 10: got Netflix for three seasons. Right, So it's like just start.
Speaker 10: It sounds weird, but just start and have fun. And
Speaker 10: there are so many like minded people in this world.
Speaker 10: There's eight billion people.
Speaker 12: On this planet, you know, Like just just write something,
Speaker 12: just have fun, enjoy because Christine really like sparked that belly,
Speaker 12: sparked that fire in my belly for more voice acting,
Speaker 12: you know, and it's powerful.
Speaker 10: Art will affect you and you and it and or
Speaker 10: just enlightened so many other people, you know, and that's
Speaker 10: the beauty of art. It's just making people happy and connect.
Speaker 10: And I think just just start by just riding some
Speaker 10: stuff anything and.
Speaker 1: Go do it.
Speaker 5: Thank you so so much, Gottikai.
Speaker 7: Thank you. It's so nice to hear someone say my
Speaker 7: name correctly. It's great. They'll be like no, and like
Speaker 7: seriously because I'm in Australia, like so they can't roll
Speaker 7: their ars, they don't go so when someone says, I'm like,
Speaker 7: that's it right there, like you know, so behave yourself wrong.
Speaker 9: And it's so.
Speaker 6: Funny because Gottie and I are in the same area too,
Speaker 6: Like it's so that we're the only black people probably
Speaker 6: and that they're around three suburbs.
Speaker 7: Like my wife's always like, oh, people said they saw
Speaker 7: you and I'm like, yeah, because I'm the black dude
Speaker 7: of the Dreadlocks. This is like like demographic, beIN a
Speaker 7: whole bunch of us out here. Bro gone, let's let's
Speaker 7: be serious. Yeah. But to answer you, what I would
Speaker 7: say is I have a different take, which is similar
Speaker 7: in the fact that just love the art and understand
Speaker 7: why you're in the art. So, as I said to
Speaker 7: you guys before, I stopped acting for about three years
Speaker 7: because I got really frustrated because I was too mature
Speaker 7: to understand the business side of it. So I've been
Speaker 7: doing acting for a while. There's some really great projects done,
Speaker 7: like you know, great work and being on some really
Speaker 7: cool things, and you're always doubting yourself in questioning as
Speaker 7: a creative that always comes at the territory. But then
Speaker 7: when you remember why you do it. Like one of
Speaker 7: the things that I actually mature about was it's getting
Speaker 7: put on all these big projects and you start thinking, oh,
Speaker 7: if I get booked on that it's going to be
Speaker 7: like this. And because I was immature, I didn't understand
Speaker 7: that this is an art. This is a game that's
Speaker 7: about creativity, and it's all about you know, time and
Speaker 7: sharing and you know what you invest in it, and
Speaker 7: then when I when I when I left, I went
Speaker 7: into this space where I was exploring things, this living
Speaker 7: my life, and I realize art is about creativity. Creativity
Speaker 7: is about your interpretation or what you want to give
Speaker 7: or how you want to share with the world. It
Speaker 7: has no commercial association with it. If you are lucky
Speaker 7: to be in a project which then has which then
Speaker 7: has commercials which I say financials associated with it, then
Speaker 7: that's work. That's not art. So what I would recommend
Speaker 7: is no the difference between work and art. If you
Speaker 7: want to do this and if you want to keep
Speaker 7: in love with the arts, don't get in this for
Speaker 7: the bag. Don't get in this for the fame and
Speaker 7: the success, because you could just go do reality TV.
Speaker 7: Be a creative like explore that you have the power
Speaker 7: you have. As run said, we all have stories. There's
Speaker 7: eight billion of us, so many of us connect. That's
Speaker 7: why music is great. A musician or writer people like,
Speaker 7: oh my god, it thought he was talking to me
Speaker 7: because we all connected. So follow the art. Be true
Speaker 7: to that, and I promise you it will be so
Speaker 7: much more fruitful. I'm having so much more fun with
Speaker 7: this because when I joined this. I said this to Christine.
Speaker 7: I don't care how much you're pain. I just want
Speaker 7: to be part of the project because it's just great.
Speaker 7: Fall in love with that, find that you'll be free
Speaker 7: and you want to look at as a business. That's
Speaker 7: that's what I think.
Speaker 5: He bars. Thank you.
Speaker 2: I kind of to build on what you just said, Guttie.
Speaker 2: I feel like nurture the voice in your head that
Speaker 2: asks why not you?
Speaker 6: And what if it goes well? What if I have
Speaker 6: so much fun? What if I make new friends? What
Speaker 6: if I grow? What if I learned something like nurture
Speaker 6: the what if of the good the positive side instead
Speaker 6: of what if I'm to this or to that? Like,
Speaker 6: try and strengthen that voice a bit more in your
Speaker 6: head and you'll find yourself.
Speaker 2: You'll find your mind.
Speaker 6: Taking you to more beautiful places because you put yourself
Speaker 6: out there. You went to that random acting class or
Speaker 6: that works, and you made a friend. And I feel
Speaker 6: like a beautiful part of acting is sometimes you get.
Speaker 2: A gig not for the not for the job itself.
Speaker 6: Sometimes you meet a best friend in a gig and
Speaker 6: you never know why you're being led to a part.
Speaker 6: So if you have a strong feeling that you want
Speaker 6: to get more creative and do acting or writing or
Speaker 6: whatever it is. Put yourself out there because it might
Speaker 6: be the universe like guiding you to to a circle
Speaker 6: that's going to nourish your mind and make you grow
Speaker 6: as a person. And if I had a little practical one,
Speaker 6: I would say read the book The Artist's Way by
Speaker 6: Julia Cameron. That one helps you release any rules or
Speaker 6: boxes in your head that you have around your creativity,
Speaker 6: and just it asks you to take yourself out on
Speaker 6: an artist date every week, where you go to a
Speaker 6: book store, you go to a class, and it's I
Speaker 6: think that might be a nice gentle way of like
Speaker 6: dipping your toe into creativity.
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you so much, beautiful jeez.
Speaker 4: Okay, now I need to find something to say, Yeah
Speaker 4: you guys, did I think I'll just add it's never
Speaker 4: too late to start. Ava Duvinet started when she was
Speaker 4: thirty three, you know so, and especially these days, there's
Speaker 4: so many resources where you can learn, particularly for creative
Speaker 4: art stuff. You can learn so much YouTube University. Proud
Speaker 4: graduate of YouTube University. Yeah, I think, yeah, it's just
Speaker 4: it's never too late. And also I would also just
Speaker 4: say make calculated risks. You know, I'm all about taking risks,
Speaker 4: but also calculate your risks. And had a friend tell
Speaker 4: me that they quit their job after listening to the podcast.
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, hold up, quit your job. I
Speaker 4: don't have I don't know if they had decided to
Speaker 4: quit anyway, peopore and this was just like, you know
Speaker 4: how people look for signs of confirmation. Yeah, so you
Speaker 4: know a lot of times we try to. I think
Speaker 4: there are ways of pursuing your passion but also being sensible.
Speaker 4: You know, it doesn't have to be all or nothing.
Speaker 5: So yeah, wonderful, Thank you so so much. This has
Speaker 5: been food for the soul, and you know, just reinforced
Speaker 5: why why we do this, why we have this podcast,
Speaker 5: and why we share these stories because a as Amanda said,
Speaker 5: to give your flowers, which are so well deserved, and
Speaker 5: be because these stories are inspiring. We hope to inspire
Speaker 5: any of our listeners. And you know, thank you so
Speaker 5: so much for taking the time to be with us,
Speaker 5: for sharing so much of yourselves, for creating this world
Speaker 5: where we feel we live in. I feel like I
Speaker 5: know v I'm going to go see her this next
Speaker 5: week for brunch, Like you know, like you just feel
Speaker 5: like that connection and for doing something so amazing. And
Speaker 5: before we round up, we just like to give you
Speaker 5: an opportunity to share where people can find you if
Speaker 5: you want to be found on the socials and also
Speaker 5: of course for private affairs.
Speaker 7: But I want to give you guys a shout out.
Speaker 7: I will be doing a podcast which is similar to
Speaker 7: what you guys do. It's pretty much in the frame
Speaker 7: of guy who grew up in Zimbabwe, went to private school.
Speaker 7: But you know, it's connected very much to the social
Speaker 7: economic demographer from the wealthiest of the poorest and the
Speaker 7: challenges we see and the conversations from a male's perspective.
Speaker 7: I think we're not having it. I was listening to
Speaker 7: your I think it was the hierarchy one you guys
Speaker 7: are playing. You were talking about gender roles and there
Speaker 7: was something beautiful you said where you it was it's
Speaker 7: interesting as a woman because you got to be everything
Speaker 7: for everyone except yourself at the same time. And I
Speaker 7: was like, God, damn head shit right there. High So
Speaker 7: something very similar to what you guys are doing is
Speaker 7: quite inspiring. But at the moment, I'll just be taking
Speaker 7: a chill working with Christine and then we'll get back
Speaker 7: to it.
Speaker 5: Thanks for listening, by the way, that's really lovely.
Speaker 7: You do your research, Bruh.
Speaker 6: It's just my name so SINGI R don't watching a cut,
Speaker 6: but yeah, I don't post enough on there like but
Speaker 6: I will And if anyone has any acting questions, I
Speaker 6: can help as much as I can. But I feel
Speaker 6: like your journey is your journey. It's not going to
Speaker 6: be the same as anyone.
Speaker 4: And you can find Private Affairs on Instagram at private
Speaker 4: Affairs pod Facebook as well and Twitter at private Affairs
Speaker 4: p awesome.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Amanda. Any last words before we part.
Speaker 3: No, we've enjoyed this as fans. We obviously really wanted
Speaker 3: to get some behind the scenes tea and it just
Speaker 3: feels nice to hear you guys speak on the project
Speaker 3: and we can't wait for more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, ask.
Speaker 7: One quick question.
Speaker 10: One quick question. I'm new to podcasts. I watched mainly film,
Speaker 10: a lot of movies. TV show are dabbling, but I
Speaker 10: love movies, but through podcasts obviously Private Affairs, and I've
Speaker 10: been listening in some other things. But what I like
Speaker 10: about some TV shows, the ones that come out once
Speaker 10: a week, I really love them.
Speaker 1: Because of the episodes go for twenty minutes forty minutes,
Speaker 1: and you have that entire week to think about it.
Speaker 1: How do you How do you listen to podcasts? Do
Speaker 1: you go?
Speaker 7: Do you binge it?
Speaker 1: Or do you go one episode a day or one
Speaker 1: episode a week? How do you?
Speaker 3: It depends on the type of podcasts.
Speaker 5: Oh so, like something like Private Affairs, which is a
Speaker 5: story right, Like it's literally like a TV show, So
Speaker 5: I'm like, what's happening that bit? Okay?
Speaker 3: When the downloads, I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 5: And my thought automatic download, so you know. Also there's
Speaker 5: some and then other podcasts that and I think our
Speaker 5: podcast and managed to courage me if I'm wrong is
Speaker 5: really something you need to chew on a little bit.
Speaker 5: So I find when I make time or when I
Speaker 5: have time, So it's if I'm cooking, like I don't
Speaker 5: think I could listen to Private Affairs and be chopping
Speaker 5: because of like, see, okay, you know it's so I
Speaker 5: like to listen when I'm doing things, you know that
Speaker 5: don't require my brain. And then it's literally as as
Speaker 5: I have the time for it and it can chew
Speaker 5: on it. And also what I'm feeling, like, do I
Speaker 5: want something like for entertainment really or do I want
Speaker 5: something to like learn something or just depends that's me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because it's a current affairs podcast, you have to
Speaker 3: probably listen to it as soon as it drops because
Speaker 3: they're probably going to be talking about But it was
Speaker 3: like one like hours where you know you're just talking
Speaker 3: about topics where you can pick which topic even want
Speaker 3: to listen to, what kind of mood you're in then
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