Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. Today. You're joined by journalists
Speaker 1: Amy Kate and Sophie torber Now. On today's show, we
Speaker 1: wanted to delve into the craziness that is the Netflix
Speaker 1: documentary Tiger King. It's been called the most watchable show
Speaker 1: of the year, and it somehow made this really strange
Speaker 1: time when we're all in lockdown a little bit more bearable.
Speaker 1: It follows the big players in the cat world and
Speaker 1: it is just the craziest thing I think I've ever
Speaker 1: watched on TV. Yeah, when I flicked it on and
Speaker 1: we were introduced by the producer saying that he was
Speaker 1: originally going to film a doco about dangerous snakes in captivity,
Speaker 1: and then whilst he was filming the snakes, this guy
Speaker 1: rolled up with a big cat in his car and
Speaker 1: that kind of intrigued him to investigate further. I cannot
Speaker 1: believe that he managed to get all of that footage
Speaker 1: and that whole story. It is the most amazing thing
Speaker 1: I have ever seen. The whole time, I'm thinking, how
Speaker 1: did you get that? Well, A fair bit of the
Speaker 1: vision seemed to be obtained by secretly filming people, and
Speaker 1: also I suppose it was captured by a few of
Speaker 1: the people who were working for the FBI at the time,
Speaker 1: because we did see a few arguments that were captured,
Speaker 1: which I at the time I was like, how did
Speaker 1: they get this? But they were obviously using it as
Speaker 1: evidence in building up the case against him. Oh, I mean,
Speaker 1: I still think the docco team was filming throughout that
Speaker 1: whole five year period and obviously built up an incredible
Speaker 1: trust between all of those three key players. Because I
Speaker 1: just found it so interesting that they were obviously had
Speaker 1: set up camp at Joe Exotic's zoo, and then they
Speaker 1: were still able to infiltrate Carol and also the doc
Speaker 1: Like it was just crazy. Now from having worked it
Speaker 1: today tonight, I know all of the sort of trust
Speaker 1: building that goes into convincing somebody to go on camera,
Speaker 1: but it's so funny. I feel like people in America
Speaker 1: are completely different. Everyone just wants to be on TV,
Speaker 1: and especially someone like Joe Exotic. He seemed to get
Speaker 1: such a thrill out of the fame that was attached
Speaker 1: to not only his Instagram and Facebook following, but also
Speaker 1: he seemed to just want to be on TV at
Speaker 1: any opportunity. I feel like they could have just approached
Speaker 1: him and said, hey, you want to be on this show,
Speaker 1: and he'd be like yeah, there was probably no trust
Speaker 1: building that had to go on there. Well, that's essentially
Speaker 1: what happened with the reality show that was being filmed.
Speaker 1: And then infamously all the tapes got burnt. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: how funny was that It was so obvious that he
Speaker 1: burnt his own office down. Oh and then the video
Speaker 1: he filmed after I love. What I loved about the
Speaker 1: doco was how they would show the uncut footage and
Speaker 1: make them look like idiots, especially with the doc when
Speaker 1: he was I think it was in one of the
Speaker 1: first episodes and he was like, and how do you
Speaker 1: want me to say this? And then he says it,
Speaker 1: and it just made him look so stupid. About when
Speaker 1: they had all the little cubs on the cat. Does
Speaker 1: this look sexy? Should we have it like this? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: here's the most foul man. I can't believe that this
Speaker 1: storyline about the polygamy happening at his zoo comes out.
Speaker 1: But it's just not even the tip of the iceberg, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not even that shocking compared to what else happened
Speaker 1: in the doco. Talking about things that aren't even that shocking.
Speaker 1: What about the scene whether that poor woman's arm was
Speaker 1: ripped off, and in most documentaries that'd be such a
Speaker 1: pivotal part, she did not seem phase at all. She
Speaker 1: almost seemed proud of the fact. That's what was really
Speaker 1: that was a sad element to the documentary, the fact
Speaker 1: that the people who worked at his zoo were just
Speaker 1: in such desperate situations that they would put up with
Speaker 1: any sort of shit. For those who haven't watched it,
Speaker 1: he would hire people off the streets or people who
Speaker 1: were homeless or just out of jail because he thought
Speaker 1: that he could control them and manipulate them to do
Speaker 1: anything he wanted and work under such shit conditions, which
Speaker 1: really was what happened. It was a real case of manipulation.
Speaker 1: I mean, what made me feel so sick was seeing
Speaker 1: those poor people going through the leftover meats from Walmart,
Speaker 1: they expired meats and taking what's best and then feeding
Speaker 1: it to the animals. It was disgusting. Should we get
Speaker 1: into the three main players, though, so obviously the first
Speaker 1: is Joe Exotic. The first episode painted him as quite
Speaker 1: a complex character because we did hear about how his
Speaker 1: father basically disowned him after he found out he was
Speaker 1: gay and made him shake his hand to confirm that
Speaker 1: he would not show up to his funeral when he died,
Speaker 1: which I felt it was very clever of the documentary
Speaker 1: producers because it made you feel a little bit sorry
Speaker 1: for him, and then his struggle with mental health and
Speaker 1: his attempted suicide, and also the fact that his brother
Speaker 1: passed away and the zoo was in memory of him
Speaker 1: as well. Can I just say it reminded me a
Speaker 1: lot of a Chris Lily documentary. I could just imagine.
Speaker 1: The characters were so bizarre that I feel like they
Speaker 1: would be you know, they're not even real characters. I
Speaker 1: think you could put Yanna in there. Oh, definitely. One
Speaker 1: thing I found particularly interesting about Joe was the fact
Speaker 1: that as we touched on, he was so desperate to
Speaker 1: be famous. And it's so ironic not to spoil the
Speaker 1: ending for people, but he has become so famous out
Speaker 1: of it, but is now in jail. Well, he's got
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand followers on Instagram and only one photo.
Speaker 1: And Kate, you were telling me the other day you
Speaker 1: looked and he had one hundred and twenty thousand followers
Speaker 1: that's really weird because I on just about an hour
Speaker 1: ago and he had heaps more photos than that, and
Speaker 1: he had I think of around one hundred and ninety thousand
Speaker 1: follow ups. Well, it's actually been revealed that he hasn't
Speaker 1: been allowed to watch the documentary as he is in prison,
Speaker 1: but a number of the prison guards have been coming
Speaker 1: up to him and showing him memes on their phones,
Speaker 1: which I found quite funny. I would assume that he
Speaker 1: would absolutely be loving the fame at the moment from
Speaker 1: everything the TV producer was saying about him. He seemed
Speaker 1: to get such a kick out of sitting in his throne.
Speaker 1: He would be loving life right now in prison. What
Speaker 1: a few people are worried about is that because of
Speaker 1: the popularity of the show, many people are calling for
Speaker 1: his twenty two year sentence to be reduced, and that
Speaker 1: he's even had Cardi b the rapper start a Go
Speaker 1: Funny page to raise money for his legal fees. Well,
Speaker 1: what do you guys think about that? Because not to
Speaker 1: ruin it, but I'm assuming people who've watched the series
Speaker 1: will be listening to this. He is in jail now
Speaker 1: for tempting to have Carol killed. Carol baskin of course. Well,
Speaker 1: it's also the accounts of animal abuse, and I think
Speaker 1: those are the ones that were most shocking. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were seventeen counts of animal abuse, and even watching it
Speaker 1: at home, I felt really confronted by the image of that.
Speaker 1: How many animals were in that cage, it was really revolting. Well,
Speaker 1: there was that horrific scene where one of the tigers
Speaker 1: was giving birth and then you could see him just
Speaker 1: outside the cage and he reached his hand in and
Speaker 1: pulled one of the baby us it had a stick,
Speaker 1: oh sorry, his stick, but then pulled it under the fence.
Speaker 1: I was just horrified because shouldn't they be with their mother?
Speaker 1: How can he be taking them away at such a
Speaker 1: young age. The thing that I couldn't understand was his
Speaker 1: lack of just a normal business model, the fact that
Speaker 1: he couldn't work out that he kept breeding these really
Speaker 1: expensive animals. He'd have to pay thirty grand a year
Speaker 1: to keep them fed. Yeah, well, there were rumors that
Speaker 1: he was euthanizing the cubs once they'd been cute and
Speaker 1: everyone had their photos, which was another charge against the dock.
Speaker 1: So interestingly, when Joe was charged with twenty two years
Speaker 1: in prison. He then started working with his enemy Peter
Speaker 1: and started dishing the dirt on everyone else, and one
Speaker 1: of those people was the dock, who seemed to be
Speaker 1: out of it a little bit more. He was sort
Speaker 1: of not in the big fight between Joe and Carol.
Speaker 1: But his most disgusting charge was that he was euthanizing
Speaker 1: cubs and then cremating them, and that just made me
Speaker 1: feel so sad. So Doc is the founder of the
Speaker 1: Institute for Greatly Endangered and Rare Species, and he was
Speaker 1: painted really as an ego maniac. He got all of
Speaker 1: his employees to refer to him as some sort of
Speaker 1: messiah or godlike figure. And what was revealed in the
Speaker 1: documentary was he had so many women working for him
Speaker 1: that he was in some sort of polygamist relationship with
Speaker 1: Then what I found the most interesting was ex worker
Speaker 1: they interviewed, who talked about the fact that she was
Speaker 1: eighteen or nineteen years old when she started working for him,
Speaker 1: and that she was forced to get breast implants as
Speaker 1: part of her work conditions. That sounds totally normal, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: It was very cult like the fact that they kept
Speaker 1: them in stables with cockroaches, everywhere and then manipulated. I
Speaker 1: think manipulation seem to be a very much underlying theme
Speaker 1: in this whole documentary. What I could understand is they
Speaker 1: said that the people working for one hundred dollars a week, like,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just leave? And I suppose that shows
Speaker 1: how few options they had. Well, the crazy theme of
Speaker 1: the whole docco was the power from the animals. So
Speaker 1: they were talking about how a lot of the players
Speaker 1: would get either interest from girls or guys just because
Speaker 1: they had that connection to the tigers, and everyone wanted
Speaker 1: to be photographed. Yeah, and there was this real element
Speaker 1: of fame seeking from the three of the main characters,
Speaker 1: even with the dog. It came out recently that he
Speaker 1: actually appeared on stage with Britney Spears in her very
Speaker 1: famous MTV performance where she had that yellow snake round
Speaker 1: her neck. He was actually also is in a cage
Speaker 1: with one of his tigers and he was on stage,
Speaker 1: so you could go and watch it back on YouTube. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he was also photographed with a lot of political
Speaker 1: figures as well, So it just shows that that manipulation
Speaker 1: and that power struggle throughout. But Carol Baskin's also been
Speaker 1: accused of having some form of connection to one of
Speaker 1: Britney Spears' performance. She was photographed sitting next to her
Speaker 1: in the crowd, and it's alleged that one of her
Speaker 1: tigers was used on stage. Carol was so disturbing. They
Speaker 1: really painted her as a nutcase. You the first episode
Speaker 1: when she opened up her wardrobe with all that weird
Speaker 1: leopard print out her court sketch cracked me up. They
Speaker 1: just got her eyes so perfectly correct in it, because
Speaker 1: her eyes were so creepy. They looked like tiger's eyes.
Speaker 1: Is that what she was going for? Well, they're just
Speaker 1: so far apart. She just looked really scary. And the
Speaker 1: look that she gave the camera. I don't understand how
Speaker 1: she agreed to talk about her husband. One thing that
Speaker 1: Carol tried to set herself apart from the others is
Speaker 1: that she claims to be an animal activist and used
Speaker 1: her park to house big cats that had been rescued
Speaker 1: from other places, which was really odd because then they
Speaker 1: obviously showed that home vision of her how she started
Speaker 1: out with her first cat. It just all seemed very hypocritical. Oh,
Speaker 1: it was so hypocritical. What was funny? Was it? Seemed
Speaker 1: like the reverse. So she started out trying to sell
Speaker 1: the cats, and then she claimed she was trying to
Speaker 1: rescue them, whereas I think Joe started off trying to
Speaker 1: rescue them and then went into capitalizing on them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you guys think that Joe's heart was in the
Speaker 1: right place at the start and maybe the fame changed
Speaker 1: his motivation? What I think when you do look into
Speaker 1: his background and all of the traumas he had in life,
Speaker 1: I feel like perhaps he was in the forefront trying
Speaker 1: to do the right thing and did have a love
Speaker 1: for the animals initially. I actually think differently. I can
Speaker 1: see how Joe was a figure people would warm too,
Speaker 1: but I think he was using the cats like every
Speaker 1: other figure did in that movie, for his own selfish
Speaker 1: gain and the fact. I mean there was a heartbreaking
Speaker 1: scene towards the end of the doco when the two
Speaker 1: chimpanzees in the cage were finally allowed to go to
Speaker 1: a sanctuary and they hugged for the first time in
Speaker 1: ten years, and I think that was very indicative of
Speaker 1: how the animals were treated. They were treated as commodities
Speaker 1: to enhance the status of each of those figures with
Speaker 1: Joe being a massive part of that. It was a
Speaker 1: very sad scene, but I had to laugh just the
Speaker 1: way he was explaining it. Do I feel bad that
Speaker 1: they were in that cage? Yeah? I feel bad. Well,
Speaker 1: Moving back to Carolles, one of the biggest plots to
Speaker 1: come into the documentary was the whole murder disappearance of
Speaker 1: her husband don What did you guys make of it?
Speaker 1: She did it, no, no questions, even though Ja Simpson's
Speaker 1: come out and said he thinks she did it. I mean,
Speaker 1: the hypocritical He's trying to deflect the attention to someone else.
Speaker 1: I think what's most interesting is off the back of
Speaker 1: this documentary, the cold case has been reopened. Yeah. Well
Speaker 1: I've read somewhere that police are receiving six phone calls
Speaker 1: a day with new information about the disappearance. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just can't get over Like, what was that police
Speaker 1: department doing? She handed them the will that said if
Speaker 1: I die or go missing? Like, what the hell he
Speaker 1: writes that? Who just randomly writes that? And I think
Speaker 1: that's what made a lot of people, more so on
Speaker 1: Joe's side, because it was just the hypocrisy of the
Speaker 1: fact that she's saying she cares so much about these animals,
Speaker 1: but then she's got in her to allegedly kill her husband.
Speaker 1: What did everyone think about Joe's social media videos about Carol?
Speaker 1: Because I must say they were quite disgusting in terms
Speaker 1: of the violence by her to have a giggle, it
Speaker 1: was hilarious. It was like watching a car crash. He
Speaker 1: just couldn't look away, you know, when you have a
Speaker 1: vendetta again somebody or something like a former workplace or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was just the epitome of taking things too far.
Speaker 1: Do you know what's funny? Because they were both actually
Speaker 1: just so similar in the sense that they have a
Speaker 1: love for these cats, they're so obsessed with what they do.
Speaker 1: But the major point was I feel like they both
Speaker 1: just wanted to win. Like they didn't care about how
Speaker 1: much money or how much time or effort or energy
Speaker 1: went into it. They just wanted to ultimately win. What
Speaker 1: I found quite strange is the fact that it's quite
Speaker 1: clear that Carol killed her husband, yet she's free, Whereas
Speaker 1: it seems like the sentence for Joe was quite over
Speaker 1: the top, considering it was only kind of conspiracy to murder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you think if Carol is found guilty of murdering
Speaker 1: her husband that it sort of justifies Joe's stance on
Speaker 1: the whole topic and He's plot to kill her not
Speaker 1: that I don't know. Do you think that justifies it
Speaker 1: at all? I think that's probably how he was justifying it.
Speaker 1: But I think for him that was just a point
Speaker 1: that he could news against her. I think the hatred
Speaker 1: was really about being the best cat part. I think
Speaker 1: the way that she responded to him legally as well
Speaker 1: by wanting to take all of his possessions and really
Speaker 1: destroy him, said a lot about her greed. Obviously, her
Speaker 1: ex husband's family was saying she was incredibly greedy and
Speaker 1: driven by money. It really did show that side of
Speaker 1: her through the way she treated Joe. Just on a
Speaker 1: side note, talking about her husband Don's other family. So
Speaker 1: she was older than Carol, as Sophie said, and then
Speaker 1: cheated on his wife with the much younger Carol. Did
Speaker 1: you not think the daughters looked exactly the same age
Speaker 1: as the mother and they look like that one had
Speaker 1: a wig on or something. Well one looked older than
Speaker 1: the mum. Yeah, Runette one. I was shocked that. The
Speaker 1: minute said daughter, I was like wow. Also, though your
Speaker 1: point about greed. I think it comes back to that
Speaker 1: thing of winning. She wanted to destroy Joe after making
Speaker 1: those accusations, and do you think in a way she
Speaker 1: wanted to shut him up as well, because he was
Speaker 1: very much pushing the narrative that she did kill her husband.
Speaker 1: Her reaction to whenever she was asked a question about
Speaker 1: it was so old, though, Did anyone else notice it?
Speaker 1: She'd always look up strange cackle afterwards. Well, She's hit
Speaker 1: out at Netflix and has said that the way she
Speaker 1: was portrayed was not accurate. It does make me wonder
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of people get really nervous
Speaker 1: in front of the camera, But it was time after
Speaker 1: time after time she had a weird glint in her eye.
Speaker 1: She kept looking away when asked about the husband. She
Speaker 1: came across that she was lying. I can't believe she
Speaker 1: allowed them to ask so many questions about the husband.
Speaker 1: I would have thought if you agreed to do an interview,
Speaker 1: you would have said, I'm not talking about this, this,
Speaker 1: and this. She wrote in a three thousand word blog
Speaker 1: after the Netflix documentary aired that she was told by
Speaker 1: producers that it would be a completely different documentary, so
Speaker 1: she's surprised. She was told that it was going to
Speaker 1: be similar to Blackfish, which is a documentary that exposed SeaWorld,
Speaker 1: So she thought it was going to focus on the
Speaker 1: exploitation of the big cubs through Joe and Doc Kat
Speaker 1: Sorry anyway, So I mean a lot of the other
Speaker 1: big characters have come out and said that as well.
Speaker 1: Doc said that he wasn't told the real truth but
Speaker 1: in the doors. But in the defense of the documentary
Speaker 1: make because they said that they started this project five
Speaker 1: years ago. I don't think anyone could have predicted the
Speaker 1: outcome and the fallout that was going to happen. It
Speaker 1: just went in so many different directions. I mean that
Speaker 1: might have been their initial intention. Yeah. From the perspective
Speaker 1: of actually putting that documentary together, Wow, they did a
Speaker 1: good job all of the different storylines and how they linked.
Speaker 1: If you if you look down at your phone for
Speaker 1: a second, you missed out on a huge part, but
Speaker 1: you blink and you missed it because they were so intricate.
Speaker 1: But how difficult would that have been to put together.
Speaker 1: I feel like they just did it so well. I
Speaker 1: wonder how they felt when all that vision burnt, When
Speaker 1: Joe burnt it all. But that was a different documentary maker,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. Yeah, No, but it still could have helped
Speaker 1: with He was very odd, wasn't he? Oh? My gosh,
Speaker 1: who the hell was he? He was like a character
Speaker 1: out of the Simpsons. Yeah, he did look like a
Speaker 1: character out of the Simpsons, and one with the cowboy hat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and his voice reminded I can't quite work out who
Speaker 1: he reminded me of. Very odd, wasn't it. Wasn't he
Speaker 1: like a typical He remind me of that typical old
Speaker 1: journo with his cigarette and his out ahole. Because they
Speaker 1: accused him of burning down this year. I mean, as
Speaker 1: if he would one thing, why wouldn't you have that
Speaker 1: shit backed up somewhere? It was like there was almost
Speaker 1: too much content to actually back up now. Another huge
Speaker 1: part of the documentary which I found really interesting was
Speaker 1: Joe's polygamous relationship with his two husbands and the fact
Speaker 1: that he knew deep down that both of them weren't
Speaker 1: in fact gay. I really wanted them to ask did
Speaker 1: they actually consummate both marriages? Well? I mean, I suppose.
Speaker 1: They showed a lot of photos of them making out.
Speaker 1: I mean, and also that's different too. But the fact
Speaker 1: that both of them were obviously supplied with many drugs
Speaker 1: which would make them sleep with him. Do you know what.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the old Hollywood thing, isn't it
Speaker 1: People will just be with other people for fame or fortune.
Speaker 1: Isn't that the epitome of it? But he wasn't even
Speaker 1: famous at the time. That's what I don't get. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's famous now, but it was the fame and the
Speaker 1: lure of the animals that it's got a lot of people.
Speaker 1: But it's also that desperation factor. I feel like both
Speaker 1: of those guys would have been in very desperate circumstances.
Speaker 1: But the thing that I couldn't get over is his
Speaker 1: ex husband. I believe it's John, the one with the
Speaker 1: missing teeth. Why the fuck was he never in a shirt?
Speaker 1: Almost no shirt and gray tracks? Do you reckon? They
Speaker 1: were just the producers were like, he was like, maybe
Speaker 1: do I put a top on? Or They're like nah, nah,
Speaker 1: that's all good. It was What about when the guy
Speaker 1: was interviewed in the bath? Yeah, that was very strange.
Speaker 1: The one with that was a part of the murder
Speaker 1: plot with the tear drop. Yeah, I was watching it
Speaker 1: with Dale and He's like, is that kind of the bath? Yes,
Speaker 1: it just added such a seedy element that was fantastic.
Speaker 1: There were so many of those, like grungy, kind of
Speaker 1: drab colors. It just worked so well. Oh the girl
Speaker 1: with a no arms sitting around in the dump chair. Well,
Speaker 1: what is crazy though, is John has now had a
Speaker 1: full set of veneers and his teeth looked incredible, and
Speaker 1: he was actually interviewed by the documentary makers with his
Speaker 1: full set of teeth, but they refused to put it
Speaker 1: in the final edit, so they were so they were
Speaker 1: dentures or he's had his full teeth redone. Oh well,
Speaker 1: I saw the best meme about it. It said, because
Speaker 1: you know, there were like two that were a little
Speaker 1: bit closer and one that was further away. They said,
Speaker 1: examples of social distancing. Not okay, okay. I think the
Speaker 1: guy who ran the zoo, who seemed to be on
Speaker 1: Joe's side, that he then left his wife at the end,
Speaker 1: I think he had veneers as well. On the topic
Speaker 1: of John, what did everyone think of John's cover tattoo?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you could still see it, I said,
Speaker 1: turned into reason like, gee, they've done a good job.
Speaker 1: Not so for those who didn't see it. He had
Speaker 1: the tattoo right near his groin which said a prop
Speaker 1: property of Joe exotic and John of course ran away
Speaker 1: with the one of the women who worked at the zoo.
Speaker 1: Imagine her seeing that every time. Oh my god, she's
Speaker 1: now pregnant. So they're having a kid together. Wow. Well
Speaker 1: the other husband was Travis, who tragically I think there's
Speaker 1: some speculation around whether he killed himself or it was
Speaker 1: an accident, but he shot himself in the head in
Speaker 1: the office at the park in front of Joe's political campaigner.
Speaker 1: That guy was weird. Really, I thought he was the
Speaker 1: most sae That's what I meant. What was he doing there?
Speaker 1: The whole thing was Travis. We really did take it
Speaker 1: down a pretty dark path. I found that all pretty upsetting,
Speaker 1: especially the interviews with his mother, who clearly could see
Speaker 1: he was being used as some form of sex object.
Speaker 1: If she knew that, why the hell did she go
Speaker 1: to the wedding two weeks two months after? In her defense,
Speaker 1: she was probably grieving, and again it was probably the
Speaker 1: lure of his celebrity and the animals. I mean, the
Speaker 1: fact that he started he proposed to someone two months
Speaker 1: after the death of his husband, Travis was a poor
Speaker 1: Did he find someone else? That's what I just couldn't
Speaker 1: get it because the take weren't that bad looking. I
Speaker 1: mean John, not to be rude. I'm sure with his
Speaker 1: new teeth he might be better, but it was insane. Doesn't
Speaker 1: it all just sound like an episode of Jerry Springer though,
Speaker 1: with all the husbands and all the cheating and everything.
Speaker 1: Now you just touched on Joe's political campaign. I mean,
Speaker 1: America have Donald Trump as a president right now? Is
Speaker 1: it that far off that if Joe got out of
Speaker 1: prison that he might become the new president? After all
Speaker 1: his fame on netflick nets? You know what I don't
Speaker 1: understand is can it so anyone can just run for it?
Speaker 1: Do you have to? I say, if you fund it?
Speaker 1: That's inside. I love the fact that he got his
Speaker 1: face printed on condoms and said, just in case you
Speaker 1: get screwed. We're talking about favorite parts. Can we all
Speaker 1: talk about our favorite part? My favorite part was when
Speaker 1: the other guy who took over the zoo, Jeff Low,
Speaker 1: he was involved in a legal discussion between Carol and
Speaker 1: her new husband and of course Joe, and the discussion
Speaker 1: got quite heated. And he butts in and says, why
Speaker 1: didn't you go f your see wife? I don't know why.
Speaker 1: That just made me laugh so much, just the disgustingness
Speaker 1: of it, but that they all were talking like that
Speaker 1: the whole time. Oh, they kept calling Carol Baskin a
Speaker 1: bitch the whole time. It's like when they were talking
Speaker 1: about the murder plot and that, like all of us
Speaker 1: have said, we weren't that bitch dead like a hundred times. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I found it interesting how Joe stuck up for himself
Speaker 1: in court and said that that three thousand dollars was
Speaker 1: to help the guy with the tear in his face
Speaker 1: tattoo on his face, to help him move away. A
Speaker 1: pretty interesting defense because really, who would actually go and
Speaker 1: agree to kill someone for only five thousand dollars, particularly
Speaker 1: because they outlined earlier that they weren't even friends. He
Speaker 1: came in through Jeff. Yes, it's all very strange. I
Speaker 1: do think it was the counts of animal abuse that
Speaker 1: got him the bigger sentence in the end. Well, Jeff Lowe,
Speaker 1: who came in to try and run the zoo with Joe.
Speaker 1: He actually did say that he feels like he was
Speaker 1: portrayed negatively Now for those who might not remember him,
Speaker 1: in the episode, he was the one who bought different
Speaker 1: tiger cubs into hotel rooms basically to get laid by women.
Speaker 1: And he actually still runs the zoo, but somewhere else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he screwed over that guy, that one of the
Speaker 1: rednecks with the cute monkey that would eat piece of
Speaker 1: pizza with him. He's screwed over him in the process
Speaker 1: because he's just a con man. Through and through what
Speaker 1: was going on with that monkey, I've felt so sorry
Speaker 1: for it. I mean, who feeds a monkey pizza? Oh,
Speaker 1: and then they were getting all these cages and cages
Speaker 1: of like different exotic animals out was making me feel sick.
Speaker 1: Another thing that made me feel really sick was how
Speaker 1: Flow pulled out his phone to show the camera crew
Speaker 1: the new hot nanny that he'd picked out while his
Speaker 1: wife was about to give birth in a week, and
Speaker 1: then said to the wife, once she'd given birth, she's
Speaker 1: hitting the gym. I mean, how disgusting was that jee
Speaker 1: he was plankingting. I don't know why he was putting
Speaker 1: out all the demands. Well, apparently he was rich, but
Speaker 1: it looks like he doesn't have any money at all,
Speaker 1: and he's just a con man. For those who have
Speaker 1: finished this series like me and they're having withdrawal symptoms.
Speaker 1: He's actually on another documentary which was filmed back in
Speaker 1: Joe back in twenty and eleven. So it was as
Speaker 1: part of America's Most Dangerous Pets. So if you want
Speaker 1: to watch it, you can find it on Netflix UK
Speaker 1: and you need to search the term Beware of the Tiger. Well,
Speaker 1: one thing I've recently discovered about the documentary is the
Speaker 1: connection to some celebrities. So you know the alligators that
Speaker 1: were killed in the fire apparently Howering inferno. Yeah, apparently
Speaker 1: they were Michael Jackson's alligators. So when Michael Jackson died
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, Joe Exotic claims that he
Speaker 1: went to the never Ranch to pick up the alligators
Speaker 1: and they're the ones who perished. Is it just meal?
Speaker 1: Does that seem like a lie? I don't know. That
Speaker 1: just seems like something that would draw people in or
Speaker 1: here's the alligators from Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch. Well, what
Speaker 1: disturbed me mostly about the documentary was the stats at
Speaker 1: the end about the number of tigers there are that
Speaker 1: are actually living in captivity compared to the ones that
Speaker 1: are out in the wild, and so there's actually more
Speaker 1: tigers living in people's homes in America than there are
Speaker 1: free in the wild. Yeah, so that figure was I
Speaker 1: think it was three thousand or four thousand are out
Speaker 1: living in the wild and then five to ten thousand
Speaker 1: are living in captivity in America alone. Well, I know
Speaker 1: there's so many celebrities that have them. Obviously we touched
Speaker 1: on Michael Jackson, but I think Michael Jackson's zoo was
Speaker 1: a little bit more professional than Joe Exotics. Well, let's
Speaker 1: just hope if this documentary does one thing apart from
Speaker 1: entertainer US during this coronavirus outbreak, that maybe it will
Speaker 1: generate some change, especially if people around the world are
Speaker 1: watching this. And I think that was the thing that
Speaker 1: when I finished watching last night, because I kept seeing
Speaker 1: how everyone is celebrating Joe exots, but then they're giving
Speaker 1: Carol a hard time, And I do think she deserves
Speaker 1: to be given a hard time. I do think she
Speaker 1: murdered her husband. But in the same regard, I think
Speaker 1: Joe deserves the same criticism. And I think it's quite
Speaker 1: ironic that he's landed himself in jail in a cage,
Speaker 1: which is how he treated all those poor animals for
Speaker 1: so many years. But although we touched on with Carol
Speaker 1: that originally she was purchasing that the animals in quite
Speaker 1: hypocritical way. I think that people do evolve and change
Speaker 1: over time, so I think that she was genuinely interested
Speaker 1: in helping the animals. I think so, But I think
Speaker 1: it was also a lot about her ego. I mean,
Speaker 1: how she treated all the volunteers that came in and
Speaker 1: she didn't even know who any of them were. I
Speaker 1: couldn't stand on her YouTube channel, which by the way,
Speaker 1: had over a million subscribers, the way she'd be like
Speaker 1: he crazy cats and kiddies or whatever it was. That
Speaker 1: just pissed me off. And riding on that bike, that
Speaker 1: was the funniest thing. I think that the fact that
Speaker 1: they kept showing her riding that bike, and then that
Speaker 1: was the bike path they chose to try and kill her.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I think that's probably all I've got time for.
Speaker 1: I'm just upset that Tiger King is over, and I'm
Speaker 1: just hoping that Netflix brings the goods again with another
Speaker 1: great documentary like this. I think that everyone should help
Speaker 1: each other out and share in the comments under the
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