1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. Today. You're joined by journalists 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Amy Kate and Sophie torber Now. On today's show, we 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: wanted to delve into the craziness that is the Netflix 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: documentary Tiger King. It's been called the most watchable show 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: of the year, and it somehow made this really strange 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: time when we're all in lockdown a little bit more bearable. 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: It follows the big players in the cat world and 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: it is just the craziest thing I think I've ever 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: watched on TV. Yeah, when I flicked it on and 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: we were introduced by the producer saying that he was 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: originally going to film a doco about dangerous snakes in captivity, 12 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: and then whilst he was filming the snakes, this guy 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: rolled up with a big cat in his car and 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: that kind of intrigued him to investigate further. I cannot 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: believe that he managed to get all of that footage 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: and that whole story. It is the most amazing thing 17 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: I have ever seen. The whole time, I'm thinking, how 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: did you get that? Well, A fair bit of the 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: vision seemed to be obtained by secretly filming people, and 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: also I suppose it was captured by a few of 21 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: the people who were working for the FBI at the time, 22 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: because we did see a few arguments that were captured, 23 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: which I at the time I was like, how did 24 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: they get this? But they were obviously using it as 25 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: evidence in building up the case against him. Oh, I mean, 26 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: I still think the docco team was filming throughout that 27 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: whole five year period and obviously built up an incredible 28 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: trust between all of those three key players. Because I 29 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: just found it so interesting that they were obviously had 30 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: set up camp at Joe Exotic's zoo, and then they 31 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: were still able to infiltrate Carol and also the doc 32 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: Like it was just crazy. Now from having worked it 33 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: today tonight, I know all of the sort of trust 34 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: building that goes into convincing somebody to go on camera, 35 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: but it's so funny. I feel like people in America 36 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: are completely different. Everyone just wants to be on TV, 37 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: and especially someone like Joe Exotic. He seemed to get 38 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: such a thrill out of the fame that was attached 39 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: to not only his Instagram and Facebook following, but also 40 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: he seemed to just want to be on TV at 41 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: any opportunity. I feel like they could have just approached 42 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: him and said, hey, you want to be on this show, 43 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: and he'd be like yeah, there was probably no trust 44 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: building that had to go on there. Well, that's essentially 45 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: what happened with the reality show that was being filmed. 46 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: And then infamously all the tapes got burnt. Oh my god, 47 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: how funny was that It was so obvious that he 48 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: burnt his own office down. Oh and then the video 49 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: he filmed after I love. What I loved about the 50 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: doco was how they would show the uncut footage and 51 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: make them look like idiots, especially with the doc when 52 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 1: he was I think it was in one of the 53 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: first episodes and he was like, and how do you 54 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: want me to say this? And then he says it, 55 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: and it just made him look so stupid. About when 56 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: they had all the little cubs on the cat. Does 57 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: this look sexy? Should we have it like this? I'm sorry, 58 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: here's the most foul man. I can't believe that this 59 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: storyline about the polygamy happening at his zoo comes out. 60 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: But it's just not even the tip of the iceberg, Like, 61 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: it's not even that shocking compared to what else happened 62 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: in the doco. Talking about things that aren't even that shocking. 63 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: What about the scene whether that poor woman's arm was 64 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: ripped off, and in most documentaries that'd be such a 65 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: pivotal part, she did not seem phase at all. She 66 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: almost seemed proud of the fact. That's what was really 67 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: that was a sad element to the documentary, the fact 68 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: that the people who worked at his zoo were just 69 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: in such desperate situations that they would put up with 70 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: any sort of shit. For those who haven't watched it, 71 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: he would hire people off the streets or people who 72 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: were homeless or just out of jail because he thought 73 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: that he could control them and manipulate them to do 74 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: anything he wanted and work under such shit conditions, which 75 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: really was what happened. It was a real case of manipulation. 76 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: I mean, what made me feel so sick was seeing 77 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: those poor people going through the leftover meats from Walmart, 78 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: they expired meats and taking what's best and then feeding 79 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: it to the animals. It was disgusting. Should we get 80 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: into the three main players, though, so obviously the first 81 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: is Joe Exotic. The first episode painted him as quite 82 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: a complex character because we did hear about how his 83 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: father basically disowned him after he found out he was 84 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: gay and made him shake his hand to confirm that 85 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: he would not show up to his funeral when he died, 86 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: which I felt it was very clever of the documentary 87 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: producers because it made you feel a little bit sorry 88 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: for him, and then his struggle with mental health and 89 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: his attempted suicide, and also the fact that his brother 90 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: passed away and the zoo was in memory of him 91 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: as well. Can I just say it reminded me a 92 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: lot of a Chris Lily documentary. I could just imagine. 93 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: The characters were so bizarre that I feel like they 94 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: would be you know, they're not even real characters. I 95 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: think you could put Yanna in there. Oh, definitely. One 96 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: thing I found particularly interesting about Joe was the fact 97 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: that as we touched on, he was so desperate to 98 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: be famous. And it's so ironic not to spoil the 99 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: ending for people, but he has become so famous out 100 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: of it, but is now in jail. Well, he's got 101 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand followers on Instagram and only one photo. 102 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: And Kate, you were telling me the other day you 103 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: looked and he had one hundred and twenty thousand followers 104 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: that's really weird because I on just about an hour 105 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: ago and he had heaps more photos than that, and 106 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: he had I think of around one hundred and ninety thousand 107 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: follow ups. Well, it's actually been revealed that he hasn't 108 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: been allowed to watch the documentary as he is in prison, 109 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: but a number of the prison guards have been coming 110 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: up to him and showing him memes on their phones, 111 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: which I found quite funny. I would assume that he 112 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: would absolutely be loving the fame at the moment from 113 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: everything the TV producer was saying about him. He seemed 114 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: to get such a kick out of sitting in his throne. 115 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: He would be loving life right now in prison. What 116 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: a few people are worried about is that because of 117 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: the popularity of the show, many people are calling for 118 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: his twenty two year sentence to be reduced, and that 119 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: he's even had Cardi b the rapper start a Go 120 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: Funny page to raise money for his legal fees. Well, 121 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: what do you guys think about that? Because not to 122 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: ruin it, but I'm assuming people who've watched the series 123 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: will be listening to this. He is in jail now 124 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: for tempting to have Carol killed. Carol baskin of course. Well, 125 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: it's also the accounts of animal abuse, and I think 126 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: those are the ones that were most shocking. Yeah, they 127 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: were seventeen counts of animal abuse, and even watching it 128 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: at home, I felt really confronted by the image of that. 129 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: How many animals were in that cage, it was really revolting. Well, 130 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: there was that horrific scene where one of the tigers 131 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: was giving birth and then you could see him just 132 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: outside the cage and he reached his hand in and 133 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: pulled one of the baby us it had a stick, 134 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: oh sorry, his stick, but then pulled it under the fence. 135 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: I was just horrified because shouldn't they be with their mother? 136 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: How can he be taking them away at such a 137 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: young age. The thing that I couldn't understand was his 138 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: lack of just a normal business model, the fact that 139 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: he couldn't work out that he kept breeding these really 140 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: expensive animals. He'd have to pay thirty grand a year 141 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: to keep them fed. Yeah, well, there were rumors that 142 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: he was euthanizing the cubs once they'd been cute and 143 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: everyone had their photos, which was another charge against the dock. 144 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,679 Speaker 1: So interestingly, when Joe was charged with twenty two years 145 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: in prison. He then started working with his enemy Peter 146 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: and started dishing the dirt on everyone else, and one 147 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: of those people was the dock, who seemed to be 148 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: out of it a little bit more. He was sort 149 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: of not in the big fight between Joe and Carol. 150 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: But his most disgusting charge was that he was euthanizing 151 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: cubs and then cremating them, and that just made me 152 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: feel so sad. So Doc is the founder of the 153 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: Institute for Greatly Endangered and Rare Species, and he was 154 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: painted really as an ego maniac. He got all of 155 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: his employees to refer to him as some sort of 156 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: messiah or godlike figure. And what was revealed in the 157 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: documentary was he had so many women working for him 158 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: that he was in some sort of polygamist relationship with 159 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: Then what I found the most interesting was ex worker 160 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: they interviewed, who talked about the fact that she was 161 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: eighteen or nineteen years old when she started working for him, 162 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: and that she was forced to get breast implants as 163 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: part of her work conditions. That sounds totally normal, doesn't it. 164 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: It was very cult like the fact that they kept 165 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: them in stables with cockroaches, everywhere and then manipulated. I 166 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: think manipulation seem to be a very much underlying theme 167 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: in this whole documentary. What I could understand is they 168 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: said that the people working for one hundred dollars a week, like, 169 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just leave? And I suppose that shows 170 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: how few options they had. Well, the crazy theme of 171 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: the whole docco was the power from the animals. So 172 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: they were talking about how a lot of the players 173 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: would get either interest from girls or guys just because 174 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: they had that connection to the tigers, and everyone wanted 175 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: to be photographed. Yeah, and there was this real element 176 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: of fame seeking from the three of the main characters, 177 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: even with the dog. It came out recently that he 178 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: actually appeared on stage with Britney Spears in her very 179 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: famous MTV performance where she had that yellow snake round 180 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: her neck. He was actually also is in a cage 181 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: with one of his tigers and he was on stage, 182 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: so you could go and watch it back on YouTube. Yeah, 183 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: but he was also photographed with a lot of political 184 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: figures as well, So it just shows that that manipulation 185 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: and that power struggle throughout. But Carol Baskin's also been 186 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: accused of having some form of connection to one of 187 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: Britney Spears' performance. She was photographed sitting next to her 188 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: in the crowd, and it's alleged that one of her 189 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: tigers was used on stage. Carol was so disturbing. They 190 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: really painted her as a nutcase. You the first episode 191 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: when she opened up her wardrobe with all that weird 192 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: leopard print out her court sketch cracked me up. They 193 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: just got her eyes so perfectly correct in it, because 194 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: her eyes were so creepy. They looked like tiger's eyes. 195 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: Is that what she was going for? Well, they're just 196 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: so far apart. She just looked really scary. And the 197 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: look that she gave the camera. I don't understand how 198 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: she agreed to talk about her husband. One thing that 199 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: Carol tried to set herself apart from the others is 200 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: that she claims to be an animal activist and used 201 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: her park to house big cats that had been rescued 202 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 1: from other places, which was really odd because then they 203 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: obviously showed that home vision of her how she started 204 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: out with her first cat. It just all seemed very hypocritical. Oh, 205 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: it was so hypocritical. What was funny? Was it? Seemed 206 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: like the reverse. So she started out trying to sell 207 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: the cats, and then she claimed she was trying to 208 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: rescue them, whereas I think Joe started off trying to 209 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: rescue them and then went into capitalizing on them. Yeah. 210 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: Do you guys think that Joe's heart was in the 211 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: right place at the start and maybe the fame changed 212 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: his motivation? What I think when you do look into 213 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: his background and all of the traumas he had in life, 214 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: I feel like perhaps he was in the forefront trying 215 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: to do the right thing and did have a love 216 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: for the animals initially. I actually think differently. I can 217 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: see how Joe was a figure people would warm too, 218 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: but I think he was using the cats like every 219 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: other figure did in that movie, for his own selfish 220 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: gain and the fact. I mean there was a heartbreaking 221 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: scene towards the end of the doco when the two 222 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: chimpanzees in the cage were finally allowed to go to 223 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: a sanctuary and they hugged for the first time in 224 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: ten years, and I think that was very indicative of 225 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: how the animals were treated. They were treated as commodities 226 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: to enhance the status of each of those figures with 227 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: Joe being a massive part of that. It was a 228 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: very sad scene, but I had to laugh just the 229 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: way he was explaining it. Do I feel bad that 230 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: they were in that cage? Yeah? I feel bad. Well, 231 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: Moving back to Carolles, one of the biggest plots to 232 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: come into the documentary was the whole murder disappearance of 233 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: her husband don What did you guys make of it? 234 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: She did it, no, no questions, even though Ja Simpson's 235 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: come out and said he thinks she did it. I mean, 236 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: the hypocritical He's trying to deflect the attention to someone else. 237 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: I think what's most interesting is off the back of 238 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: this documentary, the cold case has been reopened. Yeah. Well 239 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: I've read somewhere that police are receiving six phone calls 240 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: a day with new information about the disappearance. I mean, 241 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: I just can't get over Like, what was that police 242 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: department doing? She handed them the will that said if 243 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: I die or go missing? Like, what the hell he 244 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: writes that? Who just randomly writes that? And I think 245 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: that's what made a lot of people, more so on 246 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: Joe's side, because it was just the hypocrisy of the 247 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: fact that she's saying she cares so much about these animals, 248 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: but then she's got in her to allegedly kill her husband. 249 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: What did everyone think about Joe's social media videos about Carol? 250 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: Because I must say they were quite disgusting in terms 251 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: of the violence by her to have a giggle, it 252 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: was hilarious. It was like watching a car crash. He 253 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: just couldn't look away, you know, when you have a 254 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: vendetta again somebody or something like a former workplace or something. Yeah, 255 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: that was just the epitome of taking things too far. 256 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: Do you know what's funny? Because they were both actually 257 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: just so similar in the sense that they have a 258 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: love for these cats, they're so obsessed with what they do. 259 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: But the major point was I feel like they both 260 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: just wanted to win. Like they didn't care about how 261 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: much money or how much time or effort or energy 262 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: went into it. They just wanted to ultimately win. What 263 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: I found quite strange is the fact that it's quite 264 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: clear that Carol killed her husband, yet she's free, Whereas 265 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: it seems like the sentence for Joe was quite over 266 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: the top, considering it was only kind of conspiracy to murder. Yeah, 267 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: do you think if Carol is found guilty of murdering 268 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: her husband that it sort of justifies Joe's stance on 269 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: the whole topic and He's plot to kill her not 270 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: that I don't know. Do you think that justifies it 271 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: at all? I think that's probably how he was justifying it. 272 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: But I think for him that was just a point 273 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: that he could news against her. I think the hatred 274 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: was really about being the best cat part. I think 275 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: the way that she responded to him legally as well 276 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: by wanting to take all of his possessions and really 277 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: destroy him, said a lot about her greed. Obviously, her 278 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: ex husband's family was saying she was incredibly greedy and 279 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: driven by money. It really did show that side of 280 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: her through the way she treated Joe. Just on a 281 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: side note, talking about her husband Don's other family. So 282 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: she was older than Carol, as Sophie said, and then 283 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: cheated on his wife with the much younger Carol. Did 284 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: you not think the daughters looked exactly the same age 285 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: as the mother and they look like that one had 286 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: a wig on or something. Well one looked older than 287 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: the mum. Yeah, Runette one. I was shocked that. The 288 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: minute said daughter, I was like wow. Also, though your 289 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: point about greed. I think it comes back to that 290 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: thing of winning. She wanted to destroy Joe after making 291 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: those accusations, and do you think in a way she 292 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: wanted to shut him up as well, because he was 293 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: very much pushing the narrative that she did kill her husband. 294 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: Her reaction to whenever she was asked a question about 295 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: it was so old, though, Did anyone else notice it? 296 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: She'd always look up strange cackle afterwards. Well, She's hit 297 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: out at Netflix and has said that the way she 298 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: was portrayed was not accurate. It does make me wonder 299 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: because I know a lot of people get really nervous 300 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: in front of the camera, But it was time after 301 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: time after time she had a weird glint in her eye. 302 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: She kept looking away when asked about the husband. She 303 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: came across that she was lying. I can't believe she 304 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: allowed them to ask so many questions about the husband. 305 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: I would have thought if you agreed to do an interview, 306 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: you would have said, I'm not talking about this, this, 307 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: and this. She wrote in a three thousand word blog 308 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: after the Netflix documentary aired that she was told by 309 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: producers that it would be a completely different documentary, so 310 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: she's surprised. She was told that it was going to 311 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: be similar to Blackfish, which is a documentary that exposed SeaWorld, 312 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: So she thought it was going to focus on the 313 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: exploitation of the big cubs through Joe and Doc Kat 314 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: Sorry anyway, So I mean a lot of the other 315 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: big characters have come out and said that as well. 316 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: Doc said that he wasn't told the real truth but 317 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: in the doors. But in the defense of the documentary 318 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: make because they said that they started this project five 319 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: years ago. I don't think anyone could have predicted the 320 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: outcome and the fallout that was going to happen. It 321 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: just went in so many different directions. I mean that 322 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: might have been their initial intention. Yeah. From the perspective 323 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: of actually putting that documentary together, Wow, they did a 324 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: good job all of the different storylines and how they linked. 325 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: If you if you look down at your phone for 326 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: a second, you missed out on a huge part, but 327 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: you blink and you missed it because they were so intricate. 328 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: But how difficult would that have been to put together. 329 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: I feel like they just did it so well. I 330 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: wonder how they felt when all that vision burnt, When 331 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: Joe burnt it all. But that was a different documentary maker, 332 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: wasn't it. Yeah, No, but it still could have helped 333 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: with He was very odd, wasn't he? Oh? My gosh, 334 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: who the hell was he? He was like a character 335 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: out of the Simpsons. Yeah, he did look like a 336 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: character out of the Simpsons, and one with the cowboy hat. Yeah, 337 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: and his voice reminded I can't quite work out who 338 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: he reminded me of. Very odd, wasn't it. Wasn't he 339 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: like a typical He remind me of that typical old 340 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: journo with his cigarette and his out ahole. Because they 341 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: accused him of burning down this year. I mean, as 342 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: if he would one thing, why wouldn't you have that 343 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: shit backed up somewhere? It was like there was almost 344 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: too much content to actually back up now. Another huge 345 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: part of the documentary which I found really interesting was 346 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: Joe's polygamous relationship with his two husbands and the fact 347 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: that he knew deep down that both of them weren't 348 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: in fact gay. I really wanted them to ask did 349 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: they actually consummate both marriages? Well? I mean, I suppose. 350 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: They showed a lot of photos of them making out. 351 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: I mean, and also that's different too. But the fact 352 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: that both of them were obviously supplied with many drugs 353 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: which would make them sleep with him. Do you know what. 354 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: It's kind of like the old Hollywood thing, isn't it 355 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: People will just be with other people for fame or fortune. 356 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: Isn't that the epitome of it? But he wasn't even 357 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: famous at the time. That's what I don't get. Yes, 358 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: he's famous now, but it was the fame and the 359 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: lure of the animals that it's got a lot of people. 360 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: But it's also that desperation factor. I feel like both 361 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: of those guys would have been in very desperate circumstances. 362 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: But the thing that I couldn't get over is his 363 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: ex husband. I believe it's John, the one with the 364 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: missing teeth. Why the fuck was he never in a shirt? 365 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: Almost no shirt and gray tracks? Do you reckon? They 366 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: were just the producers were like, he was like, maybe 367 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: do I put a top on? Or They're like nah, nah, 368 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: that's all good. It was What about when the guy 369 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: was interviewed in the bath? Yeah, that was very strange. 370 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: The one with that was a part of the murder 371 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 1: plot with the tear drop. Yeah, I was watching it 372 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: with Dale and He's like, is that kind of the bath? Yes, 373 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: it just added such a seedy element that was fantastic. 374 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: There were so many of those, like grungy, kind of 375 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: drab colors. It just worked so well. Oh the girl 376 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: with a no arms sitting around in the dump chair. Well, 377 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: what is crazy though, is John has now had a 378 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: full set of veneers and his teeth looked incredible, and 379 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: he was actually interviewed by the documentary makers with his 380 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: full set of teeth, but they refused to put it 381 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: in the final edit, so they were so they were 382 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: dentures or he's had his full teeth redone. Oh well, 383 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: I saw the best meme about it. It said, because 384 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: you know, there were like two that were a little 385 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: bit closer and one that was further away. They said, 386 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: examples of social distancing. Not okay, okay. I think the 387 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: guy who ran the zoo, who seemed to be on 388 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: Joe's side, that he then left his wife at the end, 389 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: I think he had veneers as well. On the topic 390 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: of John, what did everyone think of John's cover tattoo? 391 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you could still see it, I said, 392 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: turned into reason like, gee, they've done a good job. 393 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: Not so for those who didn't see it. He had 394 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: the tattoo right near his groin which said a prop 395 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: property of Joe exotic and John of course ran away 396 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: with the one of the women who worked at the zoo. 397 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: Imagine her seeing that every time. Oh my god, she's 398 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: now pregnant. So they're having a kid together. Wow. Well 399 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: the other husband was Travis, who tragically I think there's 400 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: some speculation around whether he killed himself or it was 401 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: an accident, but he shot himself in the head in 402 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: the office at the park in front of Joe's political campaigner. 403 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: That guy was weird. Really, I thought he was the 404 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: most sae That's what I meant. What was he doing there? 405 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: The whole thing was Travis. We really did take it 406 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: down a pretty dark path. I found that all pretty upsetting, 407 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: especially the interviews with his mother, who clearly could see 408 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: he was being used as some form of sex object. 409 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: If she knew that, why the hell did she go 410 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: to the wedding two weeks two months after? In her defense, 411 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: she was probably grieving, and again it was probably the 412 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: lure of his celebrity and the animals. I mean, the 413 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: fact that he started he proposed to someone two months 414 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: after the death of his husband, Travis was a poor 415 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: Did he find someone else? That's what I just couldn't 416 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: get it because the take weren't that bad looking. I 417 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: mean John, not to be rude. I'm sure with his 418 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: new teeth he might be better, but it was insane. Doesn't 419 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: it all just sound like an episode of Jerry Springer though, 420 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: with all the husbands and all the cheating and everything. 421 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: Now you just touched on Joe's political campaign. I mean, 422 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: America have Donald Trump as a president right now? Is 423 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: it that far off that if Joe got out of 424 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: prison that he might become the new president? After all 425 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: his fame on netflick nets? You know what I don't 426 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: understand is can it so anyone can just run for it? 427 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: Do you have to? I say, if you fund it? 428 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: That's inside. I love the fact that he got his 429 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: face printed on condoms and said, just in case you 430 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: get screwed. We're talking about favorite parts. Can we all 431 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: talk about our favorite part? My favorite part was when 432 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: the other guy who took over the zoo, Jeff Low, 433 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: he was involved in a legal discussion between Carol and 434 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: her new husband and of course Joe, and the discussion 435 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: got quite heated. And he butts in and says, why 436 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: didn't you go f your see wife? I don't know why. 437 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: That just made me laugh so much, just the disgustingness 438 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: of it, but that they all were talking like that 439 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: the whole time. Oh, they kept calling Carol Baskin a 440 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: bitch the whole time. It's like when they were talking 441 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: about the murder plot and that, like all of us 442 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: have said, we weren't that bitch dead like a hundred times. Yeah. 443 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: I found it interesting how Joe stuck up for himself 444 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: in court and said that that three thousand dollars was 445 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: to help the guy with the tear in his face 446 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: tattoo on his face, to help him move away. A 447 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: pretty interesting defense because really, who would actually go and 448 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: agree to kill someone for only five thousand dollars, particularly 449 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: because they outlined earlier that they weren't even friends. He 450 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: came in through Jeff. Yes, it's all very strange. I 451 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: do think it was the counts of animal abuse that 452 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: got him the bigger sentence in the end. Well, Jeff Lowe, 453 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: who came in to try and run the zoo with Joe. 454 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: He actually did say that he feels like he was 455 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: portrayed negatively Now for those who might not remember him, 456 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: in the episode, he was the one who bought different 457 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: tiger cubs into hotel rooms basically to get laid by women. 458 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: And he actually still runs the zoo, but somewhere else. Yeah, 459 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: and he screwed over that guy, that one of the 460 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: rednecks with the cute monkey that would eat piece of 461 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: pizza with him. He's screwed over him in the process 462 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: because he's just a con man. Through and through what 463 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: was going on with that monkey, I've felt so sorry 464 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: for it. I mean, who feeds a monkey pizza? Oh, 465 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: and then they were getting all these cages and cages 466 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: of like different exotic animals out was making me feel sick. 467 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: Another thing that made me feel really sick was how 468 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: Flow pulled out his phone to show the camera crew 469 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 1: the new hot nanny that he'd picked out while his 470 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: wife was about to give birth in a week, and 471 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: then said to the wife, once she'd given birth, she's 472 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: hitting the gym. I mean, how disgusting was that jee 473 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: he was plankingting. I don't know why he was putting 474 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: out all the demands. Well, apparently he was rich, but 475 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: it looks like he doesn't have any money at all, 476 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: and he's just a con man. For those who have 477 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: finished this series like me and they're having withdrawal symptoms. 478 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: He's actually on another documentary which was filmed back in 479 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: Joe back in twenty and eleven. So it was as 480 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: part of America's Most Dangerous Pets. So if you want 481 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: to watch it, you can find it on Netflix UK 482 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: and you need to search the term Beware of the Tiger. Well, 483 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: one thing I've recently discovered about the documentary is the 484 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: connection to some celebrities. So you know the alligators that 485 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: were killed in the fire apparently Howering inferno. Yeah, apparently 486 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: they were Michael Jackson's alligators. So when Michael Jackson died 487 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, Joe Exotic claims that he 488 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: went to the never Ranch to pick up the alligators 489 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: and they're the ones who perished. Is it just meal? 490 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: Does that seem like a lie? I don't know. That 491 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: just seems like something that would draw people in or 492 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: here's the alligators from Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch. Well, what 493 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: disturbed me mostly about the documentary was the stats at 494 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: the end about the number of tigers there are that 495 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: are actually living in captivity compared to the ones that 496 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: are out in the wild, and so there's actually more 497 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: tigers living in people's homes in America than there are 498 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: free in the wild. Yeah, so that figure was I 499 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: think it was three thousand or four thousand are out 500 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: living in the wild and then five to ten thousand 501 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: are living in captivity in America alone. Well, I know 502 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: there's so many celebrities that have them. Obviously we touched 503 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: on Michael Jackson, but I think Michael Jackson's zoo was 504 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: a little bit more professional than Joe Exotics. Well, let's 505 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: just hope if this documentary does one thing apart from 506 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: entertainer US during this coronavirus outbreak, that maybe it will 507 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: generate some change, especially if people around the world are 508 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: watching this. And I think that was the thing that 509 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: when I finished watching last night, because I kept seeing 510 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: how everyone is celebrating Joe exots, but then they're giving 511 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: Carol a hard time, And I do think she deserves 512 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: to be given a hard time. I do think she 513 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: murdered her husband. But in the same regard, I think 514 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: Joe deserves the same criticism. And I think it's quite 515 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: ironic that he's landed himself in jail in a cage, 516 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: which is how he treated all those poor animals for 517 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: so many years. But although we touched on with Carol 518 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: that originally she was purchasing that the animals in quite 519 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: hypocritical way. I think that people do evolve and change 520 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: over time, so I think that she was genuinely interested 521 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: in helping the animals. I think so, But I think 522 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: it was also a lot about her ego. I mean, 523 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: how she treated all the volunteers that came in and 524 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: she didn't even know who any of them were. I 525 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: couldn't stand on her YouTube channel, which by the way, 526 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: had over a million subscribers, the way she'd be like 527 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: he crazy cats and kiddies or whatever it was. That 528 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: just pissed me off. And riding on that bike, that 529 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: was the funniest thing. I think that the fact that 530 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: they kept showing her riding that bike, and then that 531 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: was the bike path they chose to try and kill her. 532 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: Oh well, I think that's probably all I've got time for. 533 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: I'm just upset that Tiger King is over, and I'm 534 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: just hoping that Netflix brings the goods again with another 535 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: great documentary like this. 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