WEBVTT - Lyn's Law,  no body no parole

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<v Speaker 1>Life Uncut podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country throughout

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<v Speaker 1>Australia and their connections to land, sea and community. We

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<v Speaker 1>pay our respect to their elders past and present and

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<v Speaker 1>extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait islander

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<v Speaker 1>peoples today.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode is recorded on Gaddigal Land of the Aurora Nation.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Laura and I'm Brittany, and it has been a wild,

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<v Speaker 1>wild weekend. Hou's not Laura, Well, I mean you drove

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<v Speaker 1>to Port McCory.

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<v Speaker 3>What was so wild?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, not about mine. You started off this morning and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know this story yet. You came in and

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<v Speaker 1>you said, I'm mad. I haven't slept, had a running

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<v Speaker 1>on the weekend. You've left me on the edge of

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<v Speaker 1>my seat.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when something happens and it pisses you off

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<v Speaker 2>so much that it just you're laying in bed at

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<v Speaker 2>night time and you're like, and you replay in your

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<v Speaker 2>head how you should have reacted to the situation every

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<v Speaker 2>single day I've ever been on.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>You're laying there and you're like, oh, I wish I'd

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<v Speaker 2>said this and then you have like the perfect comeback.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's just like twelve hours too late.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened? So because you are you are describing my

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<v Speaker 1>dating life, but you don't have a dating life, So

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<v Speaker 1>what could it have been?

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<v Speaker 2>I just have children and that's who it has to

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<v Speaker 2>do with. Okay, So I was at the beach. This

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<v Speaker 2>is going to enrage other moms out there, and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's someone who doesn't have kids who has to put

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<v Speaker 2>up with like other people's kids being annoying. Maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>will have some sympathy from the other side. So we

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<v Speaker 2>went to Bronti Beach. It was a beautiful sunny day

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday. We decided we'd make the most of it.

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<v Speaker 2>We took the kids down to the kid's end of

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<v Speaker 2>Bronti Beach.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So there is this little end at the beach

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<v Speaker 1>where it has it's like the waves don't really hit

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<v Speaker 1>it as much and it has a little pool.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a cute little swiet yeah, and it's like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not an official kids end, Like it's not just

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<v Speaker 2>there's not a big sign when you get in there

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<v Speaker 2>saying families only, but there are a lot of children

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<v Speaker 2>down that end of the beach. The other end of

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<v Speaker 2>the beach plenty of adults, more teenagers. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we were down there at the family friendly end and

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<v Speaker 2>Lola and Marley.

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<v Speaker 3>Were walking up the stairs.

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<v Speaker 2>There's several stairwells, and each stairwell to get down to

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<v Speaker 2>the sand has an entrance and an exit, like you

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<v Speaker 2>can access the stairs from either side. So on one

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<v Speaker 2>side there's Marley and Lawla trying to get up the stairs.

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<v Speaker 2>And Lola is eighteen months she's not very good at stairs,

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<v Speaker 2>but she's fiercely independent and won't let me help her,

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<v Speaker 2>so she's trying to crawl up the stairs. Marley's also

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<v Speaker 2>walking up the stairs, and this woman comes to walk

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<v Speaker 2>down the stairs, and I tried to move Lala to

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<v Speaker 2>the side, but she wasn't having a bar of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, this woman had to walk around my kids.

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<v Speaker 2>And then at the same time, Marley's like cousin, so

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<v Speaker 2>my niece Millie, she was coming around the corner, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the woman had to then walk around Millie.

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<v Speaker 1>So is this to getting to the pool?

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<v Speaker 2>This is just to get to the beach, to get

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<v Speaker 2>to the stack, to get onto the sand from the promenade.

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<v Speaker 2>Long story short, Basically, she was trying to get down

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<v Speaker 2>the stairs and there were three kids in the ways

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<v Speaker 2>and it delayed her by like literally five seconds. And

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<v Speaker 2>she turns around as Millie cuts her off, and she goes, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>for fuck's sake, right in front of a four year

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<v Speaker 2>old and right in front of Marley.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was so angry.

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<v Speaker 3>I was so angry.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were there with them, like standing next to

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<v Speaker 1>was the blasphemy directed to the children or to you

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<v Speaker 1>or just in an exasperation to the universe. Well, it

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<v Speaker 1>was an exasperation that my children were stopping her from

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<v Speaker 1>getting to the beach as fast as what she wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing is, she said it very.

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<v Speaker 3>Very loudly, which could have only been directed at my kids.

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<v Speaker 1>MM. And so what did you say?

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<v Speaker 3>I said, pull your head in?

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<v Speaker 2>And I went to say the airport, but I was

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<v Speaker 2>like that sense very conund Yeah, that's I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to say from me. But I was like, pull your

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<v Speaker 2>head in. I'm like carried on. The woman jumped in

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<v Speaker 2>the water, I had a quick swim, jumped out.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was like, what did she say? He you

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<v Speaker 1>just you just glossed over this argument. So you have said,

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<v Speaker 1>pull your head in, you know. Therefore, then what has

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<v Speaker 1>she done?

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<v Speaker 2>She was obviously embarrassed, but didn't say anything and then

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<v Speaker 2>ignored me.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then I wanted to continue it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I did it, and he chased it down and tackled

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<v Speaker 1>her in the water.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I lay in bed last night thinking like

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<v Speaker 2>what should I have said? But I was so caught

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<v Speaker 2>off guard because I've never been in a situation where

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<v Speaker 2>someone has sworn at my kids before.

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<v Speaker 1>So was your unrest in bed? Was that because you'd

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<v Speaker 1>think you should have said more, or should have done less,

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<v Speaker 1>or should have taken a higher row, like what more

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<v Speaker 1>lower road? I should have gone? And like shot on

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<v Speaker 1>her towel while she was having a swim, Like okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to give you the microphone right now,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the chance to say to her whatever you wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you say to her now? What would you

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<v Speaker 1>have done differently?

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<v Speaker 2>Look, let's give this woman the benefit of the doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>She's in Bronti. If anyone wants to go find her

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<v Speaker 2>and get their pitchfoks out, Let's give it the benefit

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<v Speaker 2>of the doubt. She was probably having a really bad

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<v Speaker 2>day and she just wanted to go for her swim

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<v Speaker 2>cleanse off the day and not deal with someone else's children.

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<v Speaker 2>I can appreciate that children are annoying, especially when they're

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<v Speaker 2>not yours. Like I mean, I think I have a

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<v Speaker 2>high tolerance and patience for my own kids.

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<v Speaker 3>I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that there's a very fine line between

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<v Speaker 2>reprimanding or outwardly showing your distaste for someone's kids.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you have to really rate that in.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, I think that she needs to be banned

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<v Speaker 1>from both vision.

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<v Speaker 2>It just goes down the other end of the flags. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>that has been keeping me up at night, and now

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<v Speaker 2>I feel better for.

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<v Speaker 1>Telling everyone thank you Marley noticed, because I know Marley

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<v Speaker 1>dropped their word before. Anyway, maybe this is where she's

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<v Speaker 1>getting it from strangers.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe this is where she's learning she gets it from me.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's be real.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, nothing as eventful as happened to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I did go to Port Mcruary this weekend for a

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<v Speaker 1>flying trip for my dad's birthday. We did some we

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<v Speaker 1>got drunk and painted. That was amazing and what a

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<v Speaker 1>time to be alive. But I had a moment well

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<v Speaker 1>A I forgot to turn my dating apps off right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, dating and Port McCrary, what's that lie?

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<v Speaker 1>I always turned my dating apps off when I go

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<v Speaker 1>home to Port McCrary because when you've grown up, and

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<v Speaker 1>everyone that's listening right now will know that, when you

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<v Speaker 1>have grown up in a small town and you were

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<v Speaker 1>there for a very long time, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people that you don't want to see and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to match with. And I forgot because the first

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<v Speaker 1>message I got was like, oh, you've come back to

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<v Speaker 1>your grassroots. I see, And I was like, I have

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<v Speaker 1>to delete this immediately.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you know who the person was? David for primary school?

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<v Speaker 1>I like, damn it. I forgot to snooze my dating

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<v Speaker 1>apps because you can snooze your dating apps right. Then

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<v Speaker 1>it's put me into this weird phase where we've spoken

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<v Speaker 1>about it before. It's dating fatigue, right, And it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just dating fatigue for me because I'm not fatigued at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment by dating, but I'm online dating fatigued, so

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<v Speaker 1>the online version, So I don't mind. I'm still happy

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<v Speaker 1>to go on dates.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you want to meet people in the real world,

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<v Speaker 2>you just don't want to have to do like the

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<v Speaker 2>annoying like oh, how are you going? Like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what did you grow up in Sydney?

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<v Speaker 3>Bullshit?

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<v Speaker 1>It's so annoying, And now I want to ask you

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<v Speaker 1>a question because I don't know if I'm overreacting. But

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<v Speaker 1>everything turns me off now, like everything I'm finding the

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<v Speaker 1>most ridiculous things on people's profiles and the things that

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<v Speaker 1>they're saying to be like no, even sometimes I match

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<v Speaker 1>them and they say something and I'm just it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a no. But like this one guy just wrote to me,

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<v Speaker 1>right you get it up? And I'm like, am I

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<v Speaker 1>is something happening internally that I need to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>because this is my reaction and I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually that bad. Is a photo of Delilah and

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<v Speaker 1>myself here, I'll just show you.

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<v Speaker 2>Cute, amazing I've just like in the sunset, you and

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<v Speaker 2>the dog having a romantic time together.

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<v Speaker 1>So standard, and the comment all he wrote was hot energy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it, hot energy, and I was like, just a

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<v Speaker 1>just Alilah have hot energy? Do I have hot energy?

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<v Speaker 1>Where's the energy coming from?

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<v Speaker 3>That was it?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was nothing else, no other content, hot energy?

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<v Speaker 2>Hot smile?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a reason? And I was like, ill, gross, Ill?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a reason to be turned off and something

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<v Speaker 1>happening to me that I need.

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<v Speaker 4>To deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I think you're probably picking it upart a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>But what do you write back to that?

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway? Thank you hot energy?

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you go with that? Yeah? And how do

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<v Speaker 1>you tell my energy is hot?

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's just saying you are hot?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it wasn't, No, it was not.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, then what constitutes and appropriate sliding? Like? What

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<v Speaker 2>is a message that someone could send that would make

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<v Speaker 2>you reply I'm just.

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<v Speaker 1>Not having a lot of luck on there, and I

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know it's me. So I got another message

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<v Speaker 1>right on in my DMS, okay, in my Instagram DMS

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<v Speaker 1>from a guy that said, hey, I saw you online.

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<v Speaker 1>And now this started off well, right, I saw you

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<v Speaker 1>online dating, So I thought, oh, he said I've seen you,

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<v Speaker 1>then he's gonna he I obviously have a matched with

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<v Speaker 1>me ye, and he's gonna ask me out. But that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't it. He said, Hey, I saw you online. Just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to let you know you probably shouldn't use dating apps.

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<v Speaker 1>Just go and meet someone in the supermarket. Seems to work. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>have a good day.

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<v Speaker 3>That was it.

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<v Speaker 1>He went out of his way. I am not even kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my god, you have gone out

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<v Speaker 1>of your way to to find me sliding to my

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<v Speaker 1>DMS to tell me to stop using dating apps. You

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to ask me out, and then you told

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<v Speaker 1>me to go to the supermarket to meet people.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think he is also on dating apps but

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't use them and only meets people in supermarkets?

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<v Speaker 1>Laura, Not all heroes where cakes. He's one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just coming in with some advice. But like,

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<v Speaker 1>how it's a really hard time to be on the

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<v Speaker 1>dating apps.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm going to say this. I do think that

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<v Speaker 2>you can be too picky though. I think that a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people go into the whole chatting to people

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<v Speaker 2>on dating apps. They go into it with minimal effort,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not invested because they might just be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>what's up, how's your week been? Really blend and boring questions.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reason for that is because they're probably talking

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<v Speaker 2>to ten other people at the same time, or they're

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<v Speaker 2>too busy enjoying their actual real life that online dating

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<v Speaker 2>to them is just something to fill in the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think you can't be too critical to start with,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's okay to answer and reply to those people

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<v Speaker 2>and then see within fifteen minutes or a day or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is, whether that banter has improved. And obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>if it hasn't improved after a couple of exchanges, then.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I know it's too late for me. Like, I

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<v Speaker 1>know I need to take a break because I did

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<v Speaker 1>have a bit of a rule.

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<v Speaker 3>Produce A.

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<v Speaker 1>Kisha and I have spoken about this before. We both

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<v Speaker 1>had a bit of a rule and we've said it

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast. Don't just start with a hey how

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<v Speaker 1>are you? Like, get a bit of excitement, write to

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<v Speaker 1>them about their prompts or their profiles, or just be

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<v Speaker 1>be better than that. Right, But it's not the end better,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not well a, it's not the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the world for me. If if someone says to me, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you, I'm a bit like really, but I'll

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<v Speaker 1>still respond, right produce a. Keisha's Flatno, she's like she's

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<v Speaker 1>a hard note she blocks and deletes, which is I

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<v Speaker 1>think that is too far? Right? Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a question though, if they're super hot, like

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<v Speaker 2>if they are the hottest person under the sun, would

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<v Speaker 2>you still be like, oh, that's not interesting enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I would, but I would respond now, I said

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<v Speaker 1>to produce Akisha, I said, what if chatting Tatum wrote

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<v Speaker 1>to you, Hey, how are you now? I don't believe

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<v Speaker 1>it where it comes out of her mouth, but she

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<v Speaker 1>said she would block and delete. I'm like, as if,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know that I'm I'm not old. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>know I'm over it because I've started to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Last night I wrote to someone and said, Hey, how's

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<v Speaker 1>your week? And then I was like, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I've become the person I hate. I was like this,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how I know it's time to take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think I need to snooze and start dressing

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<v Speaker 1>up and going to the supermarket.

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<v Speaker 2>There is nothing wrong with hey, how's your week? There's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing wrong with it. It is a fine and appropriate

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<v Speaker 2>way of starting a conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so do you guys know about this? Someone has

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<v Speaker 1>told us this before. I need to look into it

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<v Speaker 1>a bit more. Apparently, you know how this guy wrote

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<v Speaker 1>to me and said, go to the supermarket. Apparently there's

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<v Speaker 1>a thing. There's a thing where you go to the

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<v Speaker 1>supermarket and there are like low key like batman signals

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<v Speaker 1>that you put out to other people that shows your

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<v Speaker 1>single and their date. It's something about no, there's not

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<v Speaker 1>I look, I'm just saying this could be a myth,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've heard it's like you're making a salad.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some underground sex club in Woolworth. Yeah, at the

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<v Speaker 2>banana store.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>But if somebody knows, someone out there knows what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. Right now, there are apparently signals that you

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<v Speaker 1>can do in the fruit arena or something in the

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<v Speaker 1>supermarket that lets somebody there know that you're the single today.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if it's rubbing your hand up

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<v Speaker 1>and down the eggplant. I don't know if that's it,

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<v Speaker 1>but there is a sign Brittany, just.

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<v Speaker 2>Deep throating and banana sub Okay. The problem is is

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<v Speaker 2>that you're then expecting everybody else to know what these

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<v Speaker 2>cues are.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's an underground club like fight club. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't talk about fight club, but everyone knows.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think any.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a dating and Relationship podcast if we don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know, I don't think any Mony Funky knows bri

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<v Speaker 2>he has the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I'm the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe whole episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, guys, let us tell you what today's episode is

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<v Speaker 2>about because as much as we're having a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>fun and many laughs at the start of this, we

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<v Speaker 2>have quite a serious episode in terms of the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>that we're having. We're interviewing a wonderful woman. Her name

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<v Speaker 2>is Renee Sims.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Renee is the niece of Lynette Dawson, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>so many of you will have heard that name, will

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<v Speaker 2>have listened to the podcast and be as invested in

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<v Speaker 2>it as what Britt and I are. But there is

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast called The Teacher's Pet. It was hosted by

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<v Speaker 2>investigative journalist Headley Tom and it's been produced for The Australian.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this podcast series is all about the disappearance and

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<v Speaker 2>murder of Lynette Dawson and recently her husband at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Dawson, was charged for her murder. Now, this happened

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<v Speaker 2>back in nineteen eighty two, so it has been forty

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<v Speaker 2>years since Lynnette's disappearance until now when Chris is finally

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<v Speaker 2>being charged for her murder.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just such a captivating story. It has been

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<v Speaker 1>listened to fifty two million times all over the world,

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<v Speaker 1>which it's a really powerful thing these days to know

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<v Speaker 1>that somebody can tell their story and be heard all

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<v Speaker 1>across the world. Because what happened with this is the

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<v Speaker 1>reason that after forty years, I mean Lennett is the

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<v Speaker 1>mother to two daughters, this will happen on the northern

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<v Speaker 1>beaches of Sydney, which, in comparison to the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. You know, this is a time in little suburb.

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<v Speaker 1>Her story was not heard. Nothing was happening for a

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<v Speaker 1>very long time. But because of this podcast, because of

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<v Speaker 1>this investigative journalist, because this was listened to fifty two

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<v Speaker 1>million times, it got to the point where they reopened

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<v Speaker 1>the case and after forty years, the family was finally

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<v Speaker 1>given a verdict. They were finally able to have a

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<v Speaker 1>tiny bit of closure, even though unfortunately Lynnett's body was

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<v Speaker 1>never found and it hasn't ever been revealed where it is,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't think it is ever going to be well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the thing that's so interesting about this chat

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<v Speaker 2>so the reason why we wanted to get Renee on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast. We obviously were so invested. I listened to

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<v Speaker 2>The Teacher's Pet when I was traveling around New Zealand

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<v Speaker 2>a few years back when it very first came out.

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<v Speaker 2>But it has not been accessible for the last couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years, and that's because the case had been reopened

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<v Speaker 2>against her husband, Chris Dawson. Now, as you said, Chris

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<v Speaker 2>has always maintained his innocence, but after forty years he's

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<v Speaker 2>been found guilty. Now, the reason why Renee's story is

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<v Speaker 2>so interesting is because Renee is petitioning for a new

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<v Speaker 2>law to be passed within New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 3>Called Lynn's Law.

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<v Speaker 2>And what that means is is that if somebody is

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<v Speaker 2>convicted of murder, as Chris Dawson has been, unless there

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<v Speaker 2>is a body somebody who's found guilty, is not able

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<v Speaker 2>to be eligible for parole.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because crazily enough, and I didn't really realize until

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<v Speaker 1>this petition for Lyn's Law was brought up. It's something

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you don't think about. It is only in

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<v Speaker 1>New South Wales currently, but you can still get parole

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<v Speaker 1>without saying where the body is. And I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is a brilliant thing to introduce to say that, well,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know what, like, if you want any sort

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<v Speaker 1>of leniency, you've got to provide us with something, You've

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<v Speaker 1>got to give us something back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it also adds into closure for the family, So

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<v Speaker 2>that is all coming up in a little while, we

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<v Speaker 2>will get into Rene's story and into how her family

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<v Speaker 2>are doing now that this verdict has been passed. But

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<v Speaker 2>before we get into all of that, Brittany, there is

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<v Speaker 2>something I wanted to update you on, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>we've foked about it a little bit over last couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days, weeks, maybe two weeks, the intimacy challenge. This

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<v Speaker 2>is not about me, Okay, this is not about my intimacy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not about Matt's sex life. As much as some

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<v Speaker 2>of you I know are absolutely just hanging on the

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<v Speaker 2>edge of your seats to hear about my sex life again,

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<v Speaker 2>and some of you are completely repulsed by it and

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to hear any thing more. No, it's about

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<v Speaker 2>something that I read recently, which I sent to you

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<v Speaker 2>last night because I thought it would be good for

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<v Speaker 2>you to do your research as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, oh I did. I think it's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>It is called Carreza.

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<v Speaker 2>And we don't know if we're pronouncing this right, could

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<v Speaker 2>be butchering it. It's called correza sex k A R

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<v Speaker 2>E double z A. We're gonna go with Carreza, which

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of like caress. Correza sex.

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<v Speaker 1>I can actually have the pronunciation here, oh, corretza corretza,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's it's red. It's a type of gentle affectionate

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<v Speaker 1>sexual intercourse. It comes from the Italian word correza, which

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<v Speaker 1>means caress, so it's coming from this like this intimacy. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But the whole idea is to have sex without orgasming,

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<v Speaker 1>which kind of goes against the whole purpose of why

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<v Speaker 1>so many of us have sex. Like the most common

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<v Speaker 1>questions we get is how do I reach orgasm? What

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<v Speaker 1>do I do to get it? We don't often have

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<v Speaker 1>anyone writing, and so I really want to work on

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<v Speaker 1>not coming like how do I do that? And obviously

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<v Speaker 1>there are things called edging. We've spoken about that before,

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<v Speaker 1>where you take someone to the brink of an orgasm

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<v Speaker 1>and then you wind it back and it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>teasing kind of sex. But the whole amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>But the whole thing with edging is because you do that,

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<v Speaker 2>because you build up towards having an orgasm, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>like that when you finally do have the orgasm during sex,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like absolutely mind blowing. But the thing with coreza

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<v Speaker 2>sex is that it's the whole point of careza sex

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<v Speaker 2>is to never have an orgasm. So it's not about

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<v Speaker 2>having passionate sex. It's about having very slow intimate like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know how to describe it. It makes

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<v Speaker 2>me think of when I was eighteen years old. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know how to have sex, just being connected and

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<v Speaker 2>everything being very very slow.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to have a laugh at this, Like the

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<v Speaker 1>first line that I read was positions are commonly very relaxed,

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<v Speaker 1>such as lying side by side. I'm like, every single

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<v Speaker 1>morning in a long term relationship, isn't it not even

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<v Speaker 1>every morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Once a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that really lazy? Just like side by side sex.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but usually you still orgasm.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reason why some experts recommend that you should

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<v Speaker 2>all try having careza sex with your partners coetza, oh, corretza,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for correcting me, is that it triggers the

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<v Speaker 2>release of oxytocin. There is more of that bonding hormone,

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<v Speaker 2>which improves intimacy, It improves closeness and also can improve

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<v Speaker 2>communication between couples. And then also on top of that,

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<v Speaker 2>taking the pressure off wanting to achieve an orgasm and

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<v Speaker 2>that being the end goal can also bring about a

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<v Speaker 2>level of closeness as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Looks sex can be amazing without an orgasm. We know

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<v Speaker 1>that it can still feel good, you can still have fun,

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<v Speaker 1>you can still enjoy it. But for me, I still

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<v Speaker 1>want to have that end goal, Like I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to put all that time and energy to not get

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<v Speaker 1>that like firework at the end. I'm all about and

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<v Speaker 1>I understand this. I'm all about that closeness and trying

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<v Speaker 1>to bond and trying to have that sensuality and that

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<v Speaker 1>magnetism and the connection. Like I think that's great, but

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<v Speaker 1>let me get off at the end. Yeah, but poor

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<v Speaker 1>can no last dots?

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<v Speaker 3>Why can't you have both?

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<v Speaker 1>And then why can't we do that for an hour?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean ten minutes even, why can't we have them?

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<v Speaker 1>But I had to laugh. So some of the I

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<v Speaker 1>want to tell you some of the behaviors that you

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<v Speaker 1>can do to enhance your sexual experience. So some of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that they suggest you do in this currets

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<v Speaker 1>are sex number one, smile, especially while making eye contact.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm sorry, but can you imagine being in the

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<v Speaker 1>moment and looking at each other with a humongous smile

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<v Speaker 1>on your face like it's a That's a moodkiller for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to see you like it's the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>of July. I don't want to see you like you're

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<v Speaker 1>at a celebration. I want to see you like you're

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying what you're doing, like it's sexy and passionate. If

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<v Speaker 1>you have like a Colgate white smile on your face

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<v Speaker 1>looking into my eyes, I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be in hysterics.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like, if you're going to smile at

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<v Speaker 2>someone like that during sex whilst making intense eye contact

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<v Speaker 2>with them, you probably have to have a conversation first

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<v Speaker 2>that you're going to try this.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you imagine if someone just sprung.

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<v Speaker 3>That out of the blue.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>The other one I really enjoyed was gently cradle and

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<v Speaker 2>rock your partner head or top.

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<v Speaker 1>I've highlighted that sentence because I'm like, it's so ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Gently cradle or rock your partner's head or tors.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I do when I'm having a breakdown. I

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<v Speaker 1>hold and I rock for your life. Like that's not

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<v Speaker 1>that's I can't do.

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<v Speaker 2>That in sex whilst you're having intercourse, lie with one

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<v Speaker 2>ear over your partner's heart.

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<v Speaker 1>No one's a good beat to hear them, to hear

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<v Speaker 1>their heartbeat, place your hand gently over your partner's genitals

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<v Speaker 1>with the intention to comfort them.

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<v Speaker 3>We are children, like we are talking about sex and laughing.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what I feel like?

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<v Speaker 2>If any sex ologists or yogi's what do they called,

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<v Speaker 2>like sensual tantric yogis were listening to this podcast, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be like, those two girls do not have a good

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<v Speaker 2>sex life. Well, no, I see, I think, like I yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I do think this is funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna lie. I think this is funny, but

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<v Speaker 1>mainly because I think it's unusual to get there to

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<v Speaker 1>be cupping genitals, but to not do anything with them,

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<v Speaker 1>like just to comfort the genitals. Look, I'm happy to cup,

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<v Speaker 1>I will do whatever, but I need that end goal.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I would love to have this connection during the process,

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<v Speaker 1>but I still, for me think it needs an end goal.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm open. I am not going to knock anything

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<v Speaker 1>until I try it. I have anyone to try it

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<v Speaker 1>with currently, But when I.

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<v Speaker 3>Do, I do have something to say though.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a male listener and you struggle to get

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<v Speaker 2>your partner to orgasm at all, you can now just

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<v Speaker 2>tell her that you're doing corressa sex and it's it

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<v Speaker 2>was an intentional thing.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, here we go. See as though, Laura, you

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<v Speaker 1>are the only person right here that can do this.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to go and try this with Maddie. Jay.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to go and put in, do your due diligence,

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<v Speaker 1>do your research, cup him for half an hour, cradle him,

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<v Speaker 1>rock him, and come back and tell me if you

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<v Speaker 1>feel closer. And I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not taking a piss, so he is your hum either,

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<v Speaker 2>like neither of us can come. No, you just cup.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have to just have very slow sex with

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<v Speaker 2>the zero. Okay, I'll do it. He won't be happy,

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<v Speaker 2>but we'll do it. Okay, these are things I want

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<v Speaker 2>you to do. Don't tell Matt. I want you to

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<v Speaker 2>have very slow sex. I want you to smile while

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<v Speaker 2>holding eye contact. I want you to rock his head

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<v Speaker 2>and cup him his balls. But then that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all you can do.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we're finished, after not having an orgasm, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>just lay with my ear on his heart to hear

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<v Speaker 2>his hart yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you can't tell him. You can't tell him

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<v Speaker 1>why you're doing it, and I want you then afterwards

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<v Speaker 1>be like, do you feel closer to me? This is

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<v Speaker 1>actually a real test because I want to put it

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<v Speaker 1>to the test. All right, I'll do it great, throwing

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<v Speaker 1>you to the wolves.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, I got my vagina ozonized for this podcast. I

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<v Speaker 2>will definitely do correds to sex.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fine, But you haven't actually mentioned your update on

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<v Speaker 1>your intimacy challenge. You must be tenish days in or so,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have anything to report yet?

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're I think we're like eight days in. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Like fine, everything's I don't want to get to ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of ourselves. Okay, when we've not been like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>if you listen to the radio episode, we realize that

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to have sex every day. So we've

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<v Speaker 2>kind of cheated a little bit. But like we're we're

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<v Speaker 2>still being intimate. Well, this is doing intimate things.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why this coupping will come in really hand.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be the perfect exactly what you need right now.

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<v Speaker 1>No corretza sounds like a lot of effort for very

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<v Speaker 1>little reward, but I will try it just for you. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into our favorite part of every episode, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is accidentally unfiltered. I'm going first. I have a

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<v Speaker 1>very funny, quick short one that I want to read

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<v Speaker 1>to you to all all right, hit me. I was

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<v Speaker 1>just at the hairdressers and she asked me to vote

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<v Speaker 1>for her in the Business Awards. I handed her my phone,

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<v Speaker 1>just pop in the details and I'll do it now.

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<v Speaker 1>She got Google up and my last search was why

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<v Speaker 1>does my clip pole so much? After I masturbate? Fuck

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<v Speaker 1>my life? So her hairdress is trying to vote for

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<v Speaker 1>herself in the Business Awards. Honestly, your Google history can

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<v Speaker 1>be disastrous, like I often think, Laura, even when it's

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<v Speaker 1>you or produce a Keisha, my sister, my family, my friends.

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<v Speaker 1>People often ask to quickly Google something on the phone. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna pull out right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Giuse little quiz that we can just throll in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of accidently unfiltereds.

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<v Speaker 3>What are your last for like search?

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you pull up your search history on your phone,

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<v Speaker 2>what are the last four things that you have seard disaster?

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<v Speaker 1>I have.

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<v Speaker 2>O.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, my first one is what are the beij flags

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<v Speaker 1>in dating? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, so obviously I'm really doing chess in the dating world,

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<v Speaker 1>as if I should have already know what they are?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you know if you were an absolute boring

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<v Speaker 2>fuck on the dating profiles.

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<v Speaker 3>I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got DNA test. Sure, who's my daddy, Dad? I

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<v Speaker 2>love you, I know who they are.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just must have been researching something.

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<v Speaker 2>Oval nude nail pictures, Oval nude nail pictures yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So like I was trying to find nails to get

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<v Speaker 1>for my sister's wedding, which is in a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>So like oval shaped nude nail That was a Google

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<v Speaker 1>search right right, some highbrow research right there. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I've got most amazing islands to travel to. Obviously, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really wanting to get away after the news that Australia

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna have lear Nina three point zero and rain

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<v Speaker 1>for eternity.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well I was Okay, this sounds really bad, but

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<v Speaker 2>I was actually just doing research for the podcast. So

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<v Speaker 2>my search history at the moment is truly questionable. And

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<v Speaker 2>imagine if my phone got stolen and someone saw the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that I've been reading here it is, man suffers

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred erections a day.

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<v Speaker 1>Man smashes out of coffin after he was buried.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got squirt blankets are here to save you from

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<v Speaker 2>dot dot dot. And science has officially figured out what squirting.

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<v Speaker 1>Is I also have sex addicts you didn't know about. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I was at work on a video call today and

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<v Speaker 2>we were discussing a polling tool called a slidto. I

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<v Speaker 2>was sharing my screen and giving a detailed demo to

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<v Speaker 2>everyone on the call when I accidentally closed the tab.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt a little flustered, but apologized and quickly opened

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<v Speaker 2>a new tab and typed in slido into Google. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought the S and the D are unfortunately really

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<v Speaker 2>close together on a keyboard, so what I had actually

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<v Speaker 2>typed in was dildo and smashed the MT key and

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden I was present a screen filled

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<v Speaker 2>with dildos to my colleagues yig ones, small ones, pink ones,

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<v Speaker 2>blue ones, ones with suctions on the end rap me.

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<v Speaker 2>I calmly retyped slido into the Google search bar and

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<v Speaker 2>continued on as though nothing happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon, there has been so many brilliant screen shares

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<v Speaker 1>from people that have accidentally shared their screen. So I

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<v Speaker 1>love that everyone on a work hall thinks that she's

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<v Speaker 1>that bored that she's typing dildos on her own course.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, Wow, while they're talking money, I'm gonna look

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<v Speaker 1>at my new deal though.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get into the chat with Renee. Lynette

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<v Speaker 2>Dawson was living in the Northern Beaches of Sydney as

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<v Speaker 2>a mum of two girls, a sister, a friend and

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<v Speaker 2>a daughter. Lynnette has now been missing for forty years

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<v Speaker 2>and there was nobody, no witnesses and no admissions.

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<v Speaker 3>For decades.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite two coronial inquests, no charges were laid for her

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<v Speaker 2>disappearance until now. A lot of our listeners would now

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<v Speaker 2>be familiar with the story of Lynette Dawson. After the

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<v Speaker 2>Teacher's Pet podcast by The Australian investigated the mysterious circums

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<v Speaker 2>chances of her disappearance. The podcast was downloaded more than

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<v Speaker 2>fifty two million times around the world. Finally, after forty years,

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<v Speaker 2>Justice Ian Harrison delivered the long awaited verdict that Chris Dawson,

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<v Speaker 2>Lynette's husband at the time, was guilty of murdering her.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining us today is Renee Simms. Renee is Lynett Dawson's

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<v Speaker 2>niece who is campaigning for changes to the new South

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<v Speaker 2>Wales legal system being termed Lynn's Law. Renee, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much for joining us today.

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<v Speaker 5>You're welcome. It's a pleasure to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, for forty years, this has been a missing

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<v Speaker 1>person's case, and for forty years, not a lot has

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<v Speaker 1>happened until this podcast came about. How do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>about that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think when you sign on to do a

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<v Speaker 4>podcast like this, you never quite know where it's going

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<v Speaker 4>to end up. Like, we never could have envisaged that

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<v Speaker 4>this is where this whole story would I guess run

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<v Speaker 4>its course run full term. So yeah, to think that

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<v Speaker 4>fifty two million people or there's been fifty two million

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<v Speaker 4>downloads of Lynn's stories.

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<v Speaker 2>For anyone who hasn't listened to the podcast, like you

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<v Speaker 2>listen to the first few episodes, and you feel so

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<v Speaker 2>enraged that someone could think that this woman had just

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<v Speaker 2>walked away from her family and disappeared. And I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>that that is exactly how you and your family have

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<v Speaker 2>felt your entire life. Renee, can you give us just

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<v Speaker 2>so that everyone understands a little bit of background in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of like how you and Lynette were related, how

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<v Speaker 2>you fit into the family, and whether you and your

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<v Speaker 2>lifetime got to spend any time with Lynette.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm Lynette's niece. My dad is Greg Sims, so

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<v Speaker 4>he was Lynette's little brother and he's married to Marilyn.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you've ever seen any footage, particularly recently to

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<v Speaker 4>do with anything with this case, you would have seen

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<v Speaker 4>gregor Marilyn, and they are my mom and dad. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 4>I am not forty, so this happened before I was born,

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<v Speaker 4>so I never had the chance to get to meet her.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though you haven't had the chance to meet Lynette,

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<v Speaker 2>can you give us and explain to us kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the impact that this has had on your family and

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<v Speaker 2>how you have observed that throughout your lifetime.

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<v Speaker 4>It's taken a toll on a lot of people in

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<v Speaker 4>terms of they have fought for a really long time

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<v Speaker 4>to try and find out what happened to Lynn, and

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<v Speaker 4>often we just weren't getting anywhere with that. So it's

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<v Speaker 4>incredibly frustrating process to go through.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was it about it? And how have you

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<v Speaker 1>found yourself now in this position as the person that

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<v Speaker 1>is out there finding and advocating and trying to change

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<v Speaker 1>the laws. How did you find yourself here? What was

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<v Speaker 1>it about seeing your family go through what they went

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<v Speaker 1>through that you just thought, I'm just going to dedicate

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<v Speaker 1>so much of my time and energy to changing this.

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<v Speaker 4>This is not really a position that I find comfortable

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<v Speaker 4>at all. I'm a massive introvert, so I would just

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<v Speaker 4>prefer to lock myself in a room and not talk

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<v Speaker 4>to anyone, and that would be perfectly fine with me.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, you bite the bullet and you stand

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<v Speaker 4>up for things that are important, and I know that,

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<v Speaker 4>particularly when the podcast started coming out, my mum and

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 4>dad were inundated with a lot of media requests and

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 4>they weren't always able to do them. I put my

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 4>hand up and said that I would be happy to

0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:57.840
<v Speaker 4>just try and get the word out. I guess in

0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 4>the beginning, we weren't sure how many people going to

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 4>listen to the podcast or how successful.

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 5>It was going to be.

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:06.120
<v Speaker 4>So any chance we got to talk about the podcast

0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 4>and get the word out there, we were willing to

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 4>do it. So that's sort of how I ended up

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 4>starting to do a lot of this stuff, and it's

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 4>just kept coming.

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 1>What is your understanding? What has your family told you

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:20.720
<v Speaker 1>about Lynn and who she was and what she was

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 1>like as a person, what her life was like before

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:23.240
<v Speaker 1>she went missing.

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 4>So they tell me that she was really fun loving,

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 4>she was always all about her family, She was always

0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 4>one to stand up for herself, and for what she

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 4>thought was right, and she was never one to walk

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 4>past a joke.

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 5>So it's quite nice.

0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 4>Knowing her siblings, you can sort of see that in

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 4>a lot of them as well, so you do get

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 4>a bit of an understanding about what she would have

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 4>been like if I'd have had the chance to meet her.

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:49.840
<v Speaker 2>And also even though you didn't have the opportunity of

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:51.920
<v Speaker 2>meeting her, and her being a part of your life

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:54.640
<v Speaker 2>throughout your life, and I'm sure that she has come

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 2>up in discussions and I'm sure even before the Australian

0:30:57.480 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 2>came up as an idea of doing this podcast, the

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:02.280
<v Speaker 2>teacher's pat what did your dad speak to you about

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 2>in terms of what he had thought had happened to Lynn.

0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 4>It's kind of a fine line, like you want to

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 4>talk to your kids about this person that's been in

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 4>your life and what they were like and everything about them,

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 4>But then how do you have discussions like at what

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 4>age do you start having discussions with your kids about

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:20.760
<v Speaker 4>domestic violence or potential murder? Like it's a really fine

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 4>line to tread, And I honestly can't tell you how

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 4>that went for us. I don't really have any memory

0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 4>of when things sort of switched over into we've got

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 4>this aunt who was a lovely person to all of

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 4>a sudden, Yeah, she's also possibly been murdered. I don't

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 4>remember when that happened, but it clearly did. If that

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 4>were to happen nowadays, maybe it would be a more

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 4>open discussion, But this was sort of in the eighties

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:45.200
<v Speaker 4>and nineties, and I think those sorts of discussions weren't

0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 4>had as openly as they would be now.

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Did your family the whole time, it's been forty years,

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 1>which is a very long time, What was the relationship

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 1>like with your family increase this whole time? Was there

0:31:57.640 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 1>ever a time where it was sort of normal and

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 1>they believe his manipulation and his lies and genuinely believed

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe she had left on her own cord? Or did

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 1>they always suspect that just something didn't seem right.

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 4>You don't ever want to suspect that someone who's a

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 4>treasured member of your family, which Chris was at the time,

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 4>You don't want to ever suspect that they've done anything bad.

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 4>And if they're telling you that this person is calling

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 4>and they're sending messages and they're completely fine, you kind

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.240
<v Speaker 4>of want to believe that because believing the alternative means

0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 4>that you're never going to see that person again.

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 5>So it's kind of a tricky one.

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:36.720
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, because you know, how do you reconcile that she's

0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 4>either decided not to ever talk to you again or

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:43.880
<v Speaker 4>she's not alive anymore, so you know which one is it.

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 4>But he would tell awful lives, like he would say

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 4>to my Nan, Oh, don't worry, I've spoken to her.

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 4>She's going to call you on Wednesday, And then my

0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 4>Nan would sit by the phone all day Wednesday waiting

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:56.719
<v Speaker 4>for her to call, and that call was never going

0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 4>to come. Like that is such a cruel thing to

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 4>do to someone. My Nan didn't actually realize. Her moment

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:05.720
<v Speaker 4>of realization that Lynn was absolutely no longer alive was

0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 4>at my PA's funeral, and she spent the whole funeral

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:10.560
<v Speaker 4>turning around and looking at the doors, and we said

0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:13.160
<v Speaker 4>to her, what are you doing? And she said, Lynn

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't miss today. If Lynn was alive, she wouldn't miss today.

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 5>So she would.

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 4>Happily miss birthdays and all sorts of family celebrations. But

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:23.880
<v Speaker 4>according to my Nan, she would not have missed the funeral.

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 4>So that was the moment for her.

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:28.479
<v Speaker 2>Does your side of the family have anything to do

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 2>with Lynn's daughters.

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 1>We do.

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:33.440
<v Speaker 4>We did have a relationship with both of them as

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 4>they were growing up. They moved to Queensland when they

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 4>were quite young, and so they would come down in

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 4>school holidays to see my grandparents and we would come

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 4>down and visit them.

0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 5>We're still very much.

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 4>In contact with the elder of the two daughters, but

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 4>the younger one made it very clear at my NaN's funeral,

0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 4>she was probably in her early twenties by then. She

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 4>made it very clear that she was coming to say

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 4>goodbye to my Nan and that was it. She wasn't

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 4>going to have any contact with the rest of us,

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 4>and she stood by that up until this day. Like,

0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:02.720
<v Speaker 4>we're very old open to reopening a relationship with her,

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:04.720
<v Speaker 4>but she has to be the one to reach out

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 4>if she would like that.

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think that is Do you think that

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:11.279
<v Speaker 1>it's just all too overwhelming or do you think there's

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 1>still a level of I guess like protection of Chris,

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 1>like of her father, or just a confusion. Has she

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 1>given you any indication.

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:21.919
<v Speaker 4>She hasn't, But her older sister has sort of told

0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 4>us some of the things that they've been told as

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 4>they were growing up, and it's my understanding that she's

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:29.840
<v Speaker 4>been told some pretty awful things about us and about

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 4>her mother, and that we're all.

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:33.160
<v Speaker 5>In a witch hunt for Chris.

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Basically, it's just devastating because if you grow up and

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 2>that's your entire world, that's your truth, that's your reality,

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:42.400
<v Speaker 2>that's the identity that you have been told since you

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 2>were such a little child, that you can't remember anything different.

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I can only imagine not just how hard this period

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:50.840
<v Speaker 2>has been for you and for your family and for

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 2>your dad, but also for them not just losing their

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:56.879
<v Speaker 2>mum when they're little girls, but now having to come

0:34:56.920 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 2>to the realization of not just losing their dad, but

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:01.359
<v Speaker 2>that they're Da was never the person that they thought

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 2>he was at the same time, must be so unbelievably

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.279
<v Speaker 2>challenging for them, and I just feel so much of

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:10.960
<v Speaker 2>them as people at the moment. Can you tell me, Renee. Obviously,

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:13.279
<v Speaker 2>when the Teacher's Pet came out, I remember I was

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 2>in New Zealand with Matt and the whole time we

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 2>were driving around we listened to the whole thing and

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 2>we just there was this unbelievable rage that somebody couldn't

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 2>be held accountable for what seemed so obvious to everybody listening.

0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 2>And then there was a period where you could no

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:30.200
<v Speaker 2>longer listen to the teacher's pet for fear of it

0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 2>jeopardizing the court cases. What has this last two or

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:36.320
<v Speaker 2>two and a half years been like for your family,

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 2>knowing that this has reopened up everything and that it

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:42.840
<v Speaker 2>was going to go to trial, and that Chris Dawson

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:46.840
<v Speaker 2>may very well face genuine repercussions for what he's done.

0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:50.760
<v Speaker 4>To be honest to it's quite unbelievable because obviously, for

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:53.760
<v Speaker 4>thirty six years, by the time the podcast started coming out,

0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 4>we had been campaigning and pushing and trying to get

0:35:57.600 --> 0:35:59.720
<v Speaker 4>this to trial, and it had been before the DPP

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.480
<v Speaker 4>multiple times before that point, and they decided not to

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.279
<v Speaker 4>push your head with the prosecution. So we were doing

0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 4>what we could to try and get it heard, but

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 4>nothing was happening. So when Headley came along and started

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:14.360
<v Speaker 4>to do like told us that he wanted to do

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:16.719
<v Speaker 4>the podcast, we were on board with that. We were

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:20.359
<v Speaker 4>very willing to do whatever it took, although my dad

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 4>did have to ask what a podcast was, so that

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:22.640
<v Speaker 4>was fun.

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 3>Don't worry my Dad still doesn't know what it is either.

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Half the population still don't. So if that makes him

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:30.160
<v Speaker 1>feel any bad, I think it's a generational thing, so

0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 1>don't worry.

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 5>Possibly, possibly it's all right. I fixed him up.

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:35.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So we can't be more grateful for the podcast

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:37.799
<v Speaker 4>because I think without it we definitely wouldn't be here,

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:39.840
<v Speaker 4>or we wouldn't have a guilty verdict. Who wouldn't have

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:42.440
<v Speaker 4>gone to trial, he wouldn't have been arrested. I believe

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:45.560
<v Speaker 4>knowing that that's happened is amazing. In the last two

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:47.480
<v Speaker 4>and a half years since the podcast came out, I

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:50.480
<v Speaker 4>guess we've just been watching it go through the courts,

0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:53.480
<v Speaker 4>and I know that Chris has been doing everything possible

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:54.600
<v Speaker 4>to try and get it stopped.

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:57.399
<v Speaker 5>So he went to all the courts, all the.

0:36:57.400 --> 0:37:00.920
<v Speaker 4>Levels of law don't know courts in Australia to try

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 4>and get this stopped because he for various reasons, but

0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 4>one of them was because he didn't believe he could

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 4>get a fair trial because of the publicity from the podcast.

0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:10.959
<v Speaker 2>What were some of the other reasons that he had

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:13.800
<v Speaker 2>put forward to try and stop it going to trial.

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 4>So there was the publicity, and I think he also

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 4>said that because it had taken forty years to get

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:22.760
<v Speaker 4>to this point, that he couldn't get a fair trial

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:24.799
<v Speaker 4>because a lot of the evidence that could have been

0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:27.719
<v Speaker 4>gotten from forty years ago, phone.

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:28.760
<v Speaker 5>Records, that sort of stuff.

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:32.759
<v Speaker 4>People's memories weren't now as reliable forty years on as

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:34.120
<v Speaker 4>they would have been back then.

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:37.919
<v Speaker 1>So when the podcast came to fruition, what was that

0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:40.400
<v Speaker 1>like for your family and how involved were you? Was

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:43.839
<v Speaker 1>every single thing run by you? Was everything? Okay? Did

0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 1>you get to okavery episode and get to put your

0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 1>edits in saying well, I don't think that's actually correct

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 1>or I'd like to swap this.

0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:51.359
<v Speaker 3>Did you guys have a very active say?

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 1>No, not at all, not at all the surprising.

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So I think Mom and Dud started the process

0:37:57.000 --> 0:38:00.160
<v Speaker 4>with Headley in November twenty seventeen, and the episode had

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:04.719
<v Speaker 4>started coming out in May twenty eighteen. They trusted Headley implicitly,

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:07.880
<v Speaker 4>but he was doing the episodes week by week. It

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:10.239
<v Speaker 4>wasn't like he sat down and he did the whole

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:12.839
<v Speaker 4>series in one He was going week by week. So

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:15.480
<v Speaker 4>every week when an episode will come out, we wouldn't know.

0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:17.400
<v Speaker 5>What was in it. We wouldn't know who'd interviewed.

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 4>We were learning things along with everyone else that was

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 4>listening to the podcast, So it was definitely quite an experience.

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:26.359
<v Speaker 2>And I think, I mean, even the person who I'm

0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 2>guessing may have been the most affected by this. Did

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 2>your grandma get to listen through all of this? Has

0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:33.320
<v Speaker 2>she been able to listen back to the podcast?

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:33.680
<v Speaker 5>No?

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:36.239
<v Speaker 4>She unfortunately passed away in two thousand and one, so

0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:37.799
<v Speaker 4>she's not here to see any of this.

0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm so sorry.

0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:40.360
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's okay.

0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:43.279
<v Speaker 4>She would, I think, be quite blown away by this

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:47.400
<v Speaker 4>whole thing, because she's just a quite humble, trusting lady.

0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:49.839
<v Speaker 2>But also just having closure. That's the thing you live

0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:51.840
<v Speaker 2>with for so long, is not knowing what happened to

0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:54.319
<v Speaker 2>your daughter. Yeah, not knowing if they walked away, and

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:57.440
<v Speaker 2>not knowing if they know how or why. And I

0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 2>guess it's so sad that she didn't receive that in

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:00.319
<v Speaker 2>her life time.

0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:01.440
<v Speaker 5>It is very sad.

0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you've just been in court and you've been sitting

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 1>right behind Chris. You've been very, very involved, and I mean,

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine what that was like to be so

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 1>close to somebody that took someone literally from your family.

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:15.799
<v Speaker 1>But what was that like the last I don't know, five, ten,

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 1>fifteen years. Have you ever had any contact with him

0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:21.359
<v Speaker 1>or when did it cut off for your family as well?

0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:24.680
<v Speaker 1>When was the realization that we understand you were a

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:26.840
<v Speaker 1>loved part of our family, but something's not right now

0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:27.719
<v Speaker 1>and we're going to cut that.

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:30.440
<v Speaker 4>It was Chris's decision to do that, and it happened

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 4>not long after Linn disappeared. It still sounds strange for

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 4>me to say that she was murdered. I know that's

0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:39.879
<v Speaker 4>now obviously the reality of the situation, but it's still

0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:40.920
<v Speaker 4>strange for you to say that.

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:41.759
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:44.799
<v Speaker 4>So he cut off contact really not long after that,

0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:47.960
<v Speaker 4>and when he moved to Queensland that was absolutely it.

0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 4>My name was devastated because it meant that she didn't

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 4>have the relationship that she wanted with her grandkids either.

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:55.759
<v Speaker 1>So what was it like sitting behind him in court

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:58.719
<v Speaker 1>when you finally finally got to this point it was

0:39:58.760 --> 0:39:59.720
<v Speaker 1>finally go time.

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:00.319
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 4>So the first day I saw him was one of

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:04.719
<v Speaker 4>the first days of the trial, so nervous because I

0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:07.920
<v Speaker 4>didn't know if he'd know me, or what his reaction

0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:10.480
<v Speaker 4>would be to some of the family being.

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 5>In the court. So I was quite nervous, but.

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 4>Seeing him, He's an old man and he just didn't

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:19.480
<v Speaker 4>seem to really know what was going on, so it

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:23.719
<v Speaker 4>was quite unthreatening, I suppose, And I guess given that

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:26.000
<v Speaker 4>I'd been in the same room with him for you know,

0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 4>when you're in the same room with someone for ten weeks,

0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:29.960
<v Speaker 4>I guess you kind of get used to their presence,

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 4>regardless of the fact that he is now a convicted murderer.

0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:35.719
<v Speaker 2>You know what the most frustrating thing, and I'm sure

0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:37.920
<v Speaker 2>your family has experienced this, is the fact that he

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:40.239
<v Speaker 2>got to live out his life and I know that

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 2>there's justice and there's so much closure that comes with

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.080
<v Speaker 2>the fact that there is a guilty verdict, but that

0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:47.560
<v Speaker 2>he got to live out so much of his life

0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 2>without any repercussions out there in Queensland, you know, building

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:51.400
<v Speaker 2>a new life.

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Was there Renee a key piece of evidence that was

0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:58.240
<v Speaker 1>provided that you feel was really the piece of evidence

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:00.720
<v Speaker 1>that got this verdict over the line? Was there something

0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:03.920
<v Speaker 1>that was so definitive it couldn't be excused or do

0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:06.160
<v Speaker 1>you think it really was just a culmination of a

0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:06.880
<v Speaker 1>bit of everything.

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 5>I think it was a bit of everything.

0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 4>There were obviously quite a few bits of information that

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 4>were quite damning, like the fact that he was leaving

0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 4>love notes in schoolgirls' bags and a lot of stuff

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:20.279
<v Speaker 4>around the babysitter. I don't think we're supposed to name

0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 4>her or probably talk about her too much based on

0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:26.480
<v Speaker 4>an upcoming trial that's about to happen. But yeah, there

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 4>was just a lot of circumstantial evidence. And the judge

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:31.840
<v Speaker 4>said himself, if they'd have taken each of those pieces

0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:34.960
<v Speaker 4>of information individually, they didn't really mean a lot. But

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:37.400
<v Speaker 4>when you put them all together, they really built a

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:38.040
<v Speaker 4>solid case.

0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Can you explain to us now, now that Chris Dawson

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:44.799
<v Speaker 2>has received a guilty sentence, has there actually been any

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:47.200
<v Speaker 2>sentencing that's followed yet, Like, do you know what his

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:48.800
<v Speaker 2>punishment will be for the crime?

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:50.160
<v Speaker 5>We don't know yet.

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:53.320
<v Speaker 4>We have a sentencing hearing set for the tenth of November,

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:56.840
<v Speaker 4>and in that sentencing hearing he will be giving victim

0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 4>impact statements and that will help the judge decide what

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:02.400
<v Speaker 4>his sentence will actually end up being. As far as

0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 4>we know, within a couple of days of that sentencing hearing,

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:06.640
<v Speaker 4>his actual sentencing will be given.

0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:09.560
<v Speaker 1>And right now, your family petitioning for changes in the

0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:13.400
<v Speaker 1>law in New South Wales that you're calling Linn's law.

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:17.000
<v Speaker 1>What is Linn's Law about? Tell us about that, because

0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:19.520
<v Speaker 1>I feel like this is something everyone needs to get

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 1>on board with and really make happen.

0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:24.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so Linn's Law, it's calling for a nobody no

0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 4>parole law to be introduced in New South Wales. So

0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 4>something that we weren't necessarily aware of is that this

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 4>is not law in Australia.

0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 5>So we were just doing.

0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:36.719
<v Speaker 4>Our best to get through this trial not really expecting

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 4>either outcome. But once we've got a guilty verdict, literally

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:42.640
<v Speaker 4>the night of the guilty verdict, we were made aware

0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 4>that well, nobody no parole laws are a precedent in

0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 4>the majority of the states and territories in Australia, New

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:49.440
<v Speaker 4>South Wales.

0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:52.440
<v Speaker 5>Isn't one of them. So this means if someone's.

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 4>Convicted of a nobody murder in New South Wales, they

0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 4>can serve a certain period of their sentence and when

0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 4>they're aut for parole, they can be considered for release

0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:04.120
<v Speaker 4>without ever disclosing where that body might be. So we

0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:06.439
<v Speaker 4>feel like it's really important that New South Wales comes

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 4>into line with the rest of the country to make

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:11.680
<v Speaker 4>these people so about their full sentences if they're not

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:14.680
<v Speaker 4>willing to be forthcoming with where a body is so

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:16.280
<v Speaker 4>it might help a victim's family.

0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 1>So have they asked Chris point blank where the body

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:22.319
<v Speaker 1>is and he has refused to say? Or is he

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:25.080
<v Speaker 1>still just saying he's innocent or is he saying he

0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:26.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't remember? What's his answer to that?

0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:30.799
<v Speaker 4>He is still pleading his innocence. I think it's been

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:33.520
<v Speaker 4>forty years and he has fully convinced himself that he

0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:34.480
<v Speaker 4>didn't actually do this.

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:38.359
<v Speaker 1>With a verdict coming back as guilty, how did that

0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:41.560
<v Speaker 1>make you and your family feel? We took no joy

0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 1>in seeing him taken away because he is an older gentleman.

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:47.440
<v Speaker 1>But I also think anyone with an ounce of human

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:50.960
<v Speaker 1>decency about them is not going to take any pleasure

0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 1>in seeing someone taken away to jail. I don't think

0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:55.880
<v Speaker 1>that that's that's not something we took any pleasure in.

0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:58.440
<v Speaker 2>I think that there's so many people who listened to

0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:01.279
<v Speaker 2>the podcast who were that they're that step removed from

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:03.680
<v Speaker 2>where you are. Obviously with your family. I think there

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 2>are a lot of people who saw the news and

0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:07.920
<v Speaker 2>took joy in the fact that there has been justice

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:10.360
<v Speaker 2>for Lynnette, and I know that that's probably a really

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:12.719
<v Speaker 2>challenging thing to say because you're so close to it,

0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:16.880
<v Speaker 2>and you know you have wonderful empathy. But I think

0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:18.880
<v Speaker 2>you know that I definitely read that and I was like,

0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:21.840
<v Speaker 2>fucking finally, like I felt that for you and for

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:24.399
<v Speaker 2>your family, and I know everybody else across Australia who

0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:28.560
<v Speaker 2>has really just I mean, I think that everybody listened

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:30.760
<v Speaker 2>to that podcast and took Lynette on as their loss.

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Everybody wanted justice for her, and it's so incredible that

0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:37.400
<v Speaker 2>that has finally been served. Do you think that Chris

0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:39.960
<v Speaker 2>will ever tell your family what happened?

0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:41.800
<v Speaker 5>No, I don't think.

0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it would be great if you would, but

0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:47.600
<v Speaker 4>I ultimately don't think that will be the case. But

0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:50.000
<v Speaker 4>I guess if we're able to get this law through parliament,

0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:51.960
<v Speaker 4>then will at least have a character dangle.

0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:55.160
<v Speaker 2>What's the next steps now? Is Chris able to appeal

0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:58.800
<v Speaker 2>the verdict? Is he able to challenge this another judge?

0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:00.160
<v Speaker 2>What is the next step?

0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:03.720
<v Speaker 4>So as far as we understand, after sentencing is done

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:07.640
<v Speaker 4>he is able to appeal, the process could take multiple years.

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 4>I also believe that given it was a judge alone trial,

0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:12.719
<v Speaker 4>it will be a lot harder to appeal because the

0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:15.759
<v Speaker 4>judge did a very nice job at pairing the case

0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 4>back to its simplest form and convicting on something that's

0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 4>quite hard to I guess appeal against which we.

0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:24.400
<v Speaker 5>Knew he would do.

0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:27.440
<v Speaker 4>We knew that whatever his reasonings were, they would be

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:29.799
<v Speaker 4>as water tight as possible, because I guess no one

0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:33.000
<v Speaker 4>wants to be told we don't agree with your judgment.

0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:35.920
<v Speaker 4>So he's done his best possible job to try and

0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:37.680
<v Speaker 4>seal that up as tightly as possible.

0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:40.399
<v Speaker 1>So what is next and what can we do? How

0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:44.400
<v Speaker 1>can everyone get behind Lynn's Law and making this happen?

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:48.560
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So we have set up a petition on change

0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.799
<v Speaker 4>dot org and it's just to petition the new South

0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:55.160
<v Speaker 4>Wales Premier Dominique Perite and the new South Wales Attorney

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:58.120
<v Speaker 4>General Mark Speakman to try and get this law through parliament.

0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:00.759
<v Speaker 4>So we're trying to get as many signatures possible and

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 4>if anyone wants to sign it, you can go to

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:05.640
<v Speaker 4>change dot org and just search for Lin's Law and

0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:07.799
<v Speaker 4>it should pop up and hopefully we'll be able to

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:09.759
<v Speaker 4>put it before Parliament in the next little while.

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Well, Renee, we have such an amazing and very active

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:16.960
<v Speaker 1>listenership we had the life is here really want to

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:18.919
<v Speaker 1>get behind this kind of stuff. So I hope every

0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:22.480
<v Speaker 1>single person listening right now know that it seems so

0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:25.240
<v Speaker 1>small to each person to go and sign one petition,

0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:28.239
<v Speaker 1>but if every single person goes and does it, this

0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:31.239
<v Speaker 1>is how we get changed. So Laura and I going

0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:32.160
<v Speaker 1>to do it straight away.

0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:34.359
<v Speaker 2>And I think I think for so many people just

0:46:34.400 --> 0:46:36.319
<v Speaker 2>on that brute, like so many people see petitions and

0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:40.040
<v Speaker 2>think what can I what can my one signature do?

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:42.799
<v Speaker 2>What impact is this going to have? But collectively it

0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:45.400
<v Speaker 2>can have a huge impact. And for every single person

0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:48.600
<v Speaker 2>that's ever lost a family member to domestic violence or

0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 2>to any violence and have not had that closure that

0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:54.759
<v Speaker 2>comes from knowing exactly where they are and the opportunity

0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:56.680
<v Speaker 2>to lay them to rest, we just think that this

0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:59.640
<v Speaker 2>will create so much change for so many families. And Renee,

0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:01.600
<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for everything that you were doing

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:04.759
<v Speaker 2>for your time today and also from us and to

0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 2>you like it's been. Like I said, it was such

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.640
<v Speaker 2>a moving and incredible podcast to listen to, but this

0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:13.839
<v Speaker 2>is your actual life. It's not just entertainment, and we're

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 2>so sorry to your family for the loss that they've experienced.

0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:19.360
<v Speaker 1>I know there's fifty two million people around the world

0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:22.719
<v Speaker 1>right now rejoicing at this verdict and completely on your

0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:23.479
<v Speaker 1>family's side.

0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:27.560
<v Speaker 4>Oh, we definitely feel it. We definitely feel it. Yeah.

0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:30.879
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, we never finish an episode without our

0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:33.719
<v Speaker 1>suck and our sweet, our highlight and our low light

0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:36.399
<v Speaker 1>of the week. Laura Burn, do you want to kick

0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:37.960
<v Speaker 1>it off? What is your suck this week?

0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:41.239
<v Speaker 2>My suck for the week. Actually, Oh, it's kind of

0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 2>a sweet and it's kind of suck. This last week

0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 2>just passed me. My sister and my mum were filming

0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:48.719
<v Speaker 2>something for.

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, only fans.

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Just we've got this new family ownly fans thing that

0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:56.280
<v Speaker 2>we started.

0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:57.120
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:47:57.200 --> 0:47:59.040
<v Speaker 2>It was weird seeing my family like that. So that's

0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:01.200
<v Speaker 2>my suck. We were feel I'm being a reality TV

0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:04.480
<v Speaker 2>show an episode. But it's been up with the Burns, Johnson's,

0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:07.160
<v Speaker 2>with the Vacanski's. We've got a lot of last names.

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:08.800
<v Speaker 2>We've got a lot of last names in our household. No,

0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:11.040
<v Speaker 2>it was something for my mum and that's all I

0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:12.560
<v Speaker 2>can tell you about it at the moment because it's

0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:16.160
<v Speaker 2>pretty top secret. But it's not a reality TV show

0:48:16.239 --> 0:48:19.080
<v Speaker 2>that you would normally do in terms of it being

0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:22.040
<v Speaker 2>super fun or relationship. Ye, it was actually a really

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:24.440
<v Speaker 2>difficult week with my family.

0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Does sound like it's been a pretty tough week.

0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:29.239
<v Speaker 2>It dragged up a lot of past family stuff. But

0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:31.600
<v Speaker 2>the reason why we did it was for my mum

0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:34.239
<v Speaker 2>because she really needed some help with some stuff that's

0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:35.280
<v Speaker 2>been going on in her life.

0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:38.520
<v Speaker 1>And look, I know it sounds super fuck you were

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:39.200
<v Speaker 1>hooking us.

0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:42.040
<v Speaker 2>I know it sounds super cryptic, but it's been a

0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:46.000
<v Speaker 2>very very big, emotional family week and that was last week.

0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:47.759
<v Speaker 2>But the end of it, and I'm going to say

0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:49.640
<v Speaker 2>that the sweet is also something I can't tell you

0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:52.760
<v Speaker 2>too much about. But basically, the end of this episode,

0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:55.120
<v Speaker 2>this filming and stuff meant that my mum really got

0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:56.120
<v Speaker 2>her life back on track.

0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:57.040
<v Speaker 3>And I'm super proud of her.

0:48:57.080 --> 0:48:59.360
<v Speaker 2>And we've had some really full on times as a family,

0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:02.160
<v Speaker 2>but I think, ALTI, what we experienced last week is

0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:03.960
<v Speaker 2>going to be incredible for my mum. And I'm so

0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:06.680
<v Speaker 2>sorry I can't share more about it, but I will

0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:09.000
<v Speaker 2>as soon as i'm able to, and I'll give you

0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:11.480
<v Speaker 2>more of the backstory and context around what it is

0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:13.120
<v Speaker 2>that we've been doing as soon as I'm able to

0:49:13.120 --> 0:49:13.600
<v Speaker 2>too well.

0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:15.799
<v Speaker 1>I cannot wait to see it because I know it

0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:18.080
<v Speaker 1>has been a big week for you. And if you

0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:20.279
<v Speaker 1>want to wipe your snot on my sleeve like I

0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:22.279
<v Speaker 1>have done to you in the past, my sleeve will

0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:24.359
<v Speaker 1>be here. Just give your hands up, my book, put

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:24.759
<v Speaker 1>a jumper.

0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:25.480
<v Speaker 3>They are coming.

0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Ah. Okay, my suck this week. My sister is getting

0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:31.520
<v Speaker 1>married in four weeks.

0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:32.840
<v Speaker 3>That is not the suck.

0:49:33.080 --> 0:49:34.680
<v Speaker 1>But I have been a bit late to the party

0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:38.319
<v Speaker 1>with my bride's maid's dress. I finally got it and

0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:41.839
<v Speaker 1>it just wasn't right like I got online, had tried.

0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:43.840
<v Speaker 1>It just wasn't the right color, it wasn't quite the

0:49:43.920 --> 0:49:46.560
<v Speaker 1>right shape. And you know, Sherry's been on my back

0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:49.239
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, saying you're leaving this really late. I'm like,

0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:51.640
<v Speaker 1>don't worry about it. You know me always come through

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<v Speaker 1>the goods, And now I'm sort of panicking.

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<v Speaker 3>That I haven't come through with the goods.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's okay. I have ordered another one and it

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<v Speaker 1>will be here any day now, and I'm fingers cross

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to be great.

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<v Speaker 2>This is gonna be Also, Sherry suck when she listens

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<v Speaker 2>to this and hears that you haven't, like it's like

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<v Speaker 2>three weeks away or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I wanted to leave it. I didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be feeling or what vibe. Because Sherry's giving me

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<v Speaker 1>free rein right, She's like she has a few very

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<v Speaker 1>loose guidelines, but she's pretty much said, just run a by,

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<v Speaker 1>find some things you like, run and buy me. But

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<v Speaker 1>she's very open because I'm the only bridesmaid, Like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just me. I'm the maid of honor and that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's like, just wear something you're happy and comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>in and she'll okay it, of course. But anyway, my

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<v Speaker 1>suite was that I got to go and see my

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<v Speaker 1>whole family. We all got together in Port Macquarie for

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<v Speaker 1>like it was just one day, but it was just amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't do any work on that one day. We

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<v Speaker 1>did archery, we did painting, we did walks and runs.

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<v Speaker 3>We had a very active twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, mind you, my dad's super into archery, so he's

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<v Speaker 1>been like training us to be archers, which is absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>Heilloo weirdest thing I've ever heard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the Hockley family with nothing straightforward.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do you go to do archery? Where does one

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<v Speaker 2>go and archer.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you can go and do it anywhere, but we

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<v Speaker 1>have it all at home. We have a whole setup.

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<v Speaker 2>You sit in your backyard and you with bows and

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<v Speaker 2>arrow That's what you're doing on a Hockley family reunion.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a couple of tins of canned beer and

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<v Speaker 2>then go on do some marcherie.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you think I'm joking. That is exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>we do.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do you go like you're from Paul McQuary, You're

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<v Speaker 2>not like Kickfield?

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<v Speaker 1>What do I need to take you guys on girls trip?

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<v Speaker 1>We'll go to Paul McQuary on intradution to the family

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<v Speaker 1>and you can become one of us for the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>What a time to be alive. Who man is it from? Usk? Guys,

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<v Speaker 1>And you know the drill. Tell your Mum to your dad,

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<v Speaker 1>tell you Doug to your friends and shit, And I

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<v Speaker 1>love because

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<v Speaker 4>The Kamata were bamed kaabaa